Zone1 Embryos and Personhood

[ding]

Until it is able to live and breathe on it's own, it is not a "person", and while we may mourn the babies that never were, it's something that women are taught to accept. We have to. We're told not to get too excited, not to tell people, until the first trimester is past.

We don't name them, and we're not allowed to mourn them if they don't make it. But if for some reason, we cannot carry these little ones to term, we're "murders". God gave women free will, and the ability to stop a pregnancy that is ill-timed. In times of famine, or war, or disease, we can stop the pregnancy, and wait for a better time, because raising small humans is a huge life-long commitment and in fairness to your children, one you should be in the best place possible to undertake.

That's an arbitrary designation that suits your purpose but reality says at conception a specific human being has come into existence.

 

[Dragonlady]

That's an arbitrary designation that suits your purpose but reality says at conception a specific human being has come into existence.

No human being comes into existence. A human being is defined by "breathing". Even Bible says that God "breathed life into Adam and he became a human being". When we cease to breathe, we die.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

I think you have that backwards. I'm not the one making an arbitrary designation of personhood. DNA is used by courts to identify specific persons.

The courts do, yes, but you don't. Ever.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I think you have that backwards. I'm not the one making an arbitrary designation of personhood. DNA is used by courts to identify specific persons.

Good for you, don't get an abortion and mind your business.

 

[Dragonlady]

People with embryos stored need to know they are safe and won't be destroyed and now they can feel confidant that is the case... stop with the politicization of everything... not everything is political... grow up....

You clearly didn't read up on what the problem might be here, did you??? You just assumed the leftist media was making a big to do over nothing. The big "do to" has to do with the IVF process.

The first step is to harvest and fertilze as many eggs as possible and then try to implant them one at a time. When the couple has a successful pregnancy, the unused embryos are destroyed. So again, with the embryos being declared "persons" at conception, is a problem because destroyin the unused embryos would be murder under the law.

 

[ding]

No human being comes into existence. A human being is defined by "breathing". Even Bible says that God "breathed life into Adam and he became a human being". When we cease to breathe, we die.

Science says otherwise.

 

[ding]

The courts do, yes, but you don't. Ever.

I get that the science is inconvenient for you, but it is what it is.

 

[ding]

Good for you, don't get an abortion and mind your business.

Shared society, shared consequences. That's why we all get a vote and the free exercise of speech.

 

[Rambunctious]

You clearly didn't read up on what the problem might be here, did you??? You just assumed the leftist media was making a big to do over nothing. The big "do to" has to do with the IVF process.

The first step is to harvest and fertilze as many eggs as possible and then try to implant them one at a time. When the couple has a successful pregnancy, the unused embryos are destroyed. So again, with the embryos being declared "persons" at conception, is a problem because destroyin the unused embryos would be murder under the law.

When the parents agree to it.... the case that sparked this was not that case and you know it....

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

I get that the science is inconvenient for you, but it is what it is.

I get that all you have is your opinion.
"ding fought the law, and the law won."

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Shared society, shared consequences. That's why we all get a vote and the free exercise of speech.

Yes, and women definitely should not have your fetishes enforced upon them at the end of a gun.

There is also a reason we don't vote on what rights are. And you are showing us that reason.

 

[ding]

I get that all you have is your opinion.
"ding fought the law, and the law won."

I have science. Don't dehumanize human life to assuage your guilty conscience.

 

[ding]

Yes, and women definitely should not have your fetishes enforced upon them at the end of a gun.

There is also a reason we don't vote on what rights are. And you are showing us that reason.

All I'm asking is that you don't dehumanize human life so you can sleep better.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

All I'm asking is that you don't dehumanize human life so you can sleep better.

That's nice. Ask away.

 

[ding]

That's nice. Ask away.

Don't worry. I'll continue to keep pointing out that abortion ends a human life. And you can keep pretending it's not.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Don't worry. I'll continue to keep pointing out that abortion ends a human life. And you can keep pretending it's not.

Exactly!. Do exactly that. And leave people alone.

I'm proud of you. This is progress.

 

[skews13]

After reading all of the replies. I will now give the only one that has any relevance.

STAY-THE-FUCK-OUT-OF-OTHER-PEOPLES-BUSINESS

Thank you

 

[ding]

Exactly!. Do exactly that. And leave people alone.

I'm proud of you. This is progress.

Laughing leads to crying.

 

[ding]

After reading all of the replies. I will now give the only one that has any relevance.

STAY-THE-FUCK-OUT-OF-OTHER-PEOPLES-BUSINESS

Thank you

That's exactly what slave owners said.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Laughing leads to crying.

Shaman ding has spoken!