CDZ EpiPens, who knows the whole story?

[Defiant1]

People spend all kinds of money on tattoos, piercings,hairdos, manicures, pedicures, x box, cell phones, wide screen tv, premium movie channels, etc. etc. but to spend money on something to save their own lives........

They think someone else should pay for it.

A valid point you have made.

Do you find the price increase for epipens to be called for? Is the company getting sued out of existence or something?

Whether the increase was called for or not is none of my business.

They own the product, they can do what they want with it.
People can pay for it or go elsewhere.
What did people do before epipens?
New businesses can start up to offer alternatives.
When a door closes, a window opens.

Sorry, but the fanciful idea of a "free market" does not apply to medical industries. Free market necessarily requires consumer choice. When you're nearly dead, choice goes out the window.

So you would have the government demand this company produce the product, mandate the price, etc?

If it was my company, I would pull the product and put it on the shelf.

 

[GaryDog]

People spend all kinds of money on tattoos, piercings,hairdos, manicures, pedicures, x box, cell phones, wide screen tv, premium movie channels, etc. etc. but to spend money on something to save their own lives........

They think someone else should pay for it.

A valid point you have made.

Do you find the price increase for epipens to be called for? Is the company getting sued out of existence or something?

Whether the increase was called for or not is none of my business.

They own the product, they can do what they want with it.
People can pay for it or go elsewhere.
What did people do before epipens?
New businesses can start up to offer alternatives.
When a door closes, a window opens.

Sorry, but the fanciful idea of a "free market" does not apply to medical industries. Free market necessarily requires consumer choice. When you're nearly dead, choice goes out the window.

So you would have the government demand this company produce the product, mandate the price, etc?

If it was my company, I would pull the product and put it on the shelf.

I think something that is a medical necessity for Americans to live should be subject to some government regulation in terms of access if the only thing stopping it from wide distribution is personal greed.

The man who invented the polio vaccine could've made billions. Instead, he shared his discovery with the world. That's how real science operates.

 

[Toronado3800]

Obamacare forced schools to all have epipens....and the government isn't paying the full cost.....so they had to make up the difference....that is one part of it...

Another part....democrat Senator Manchin...his daughter is the CEO of the company...and it just so happens the FDA has been slow walking Mylan competitor products ....so they have a monopoly....

They also contributed money to the clinton foundation......

All threads of corruption at the highest levels....

What are the schools paying for epipens?

FWIW, on its surface it doesn't sound like a terrible idea but I understand the extra demand that creates. Guess economy of scale isn't helping lower the cost

 

[GaryDog]

Why is anyone shocked at this? Senator Joe Manchin (D) from West Viginia's little sunshine daughter, has grown up in a house that is not subject to the same laws as regular Americans (refer to the Clintons and every other lifetime Senator and their family). She takes over a company, helps get a law passed that requires every school to have these pens, moves the companies headquarters out of the US, and then hikes the price of the pen 400%? Why is this shocking people?

Politicians DO NOT CARE ABOUT YOU! Good God people, if we had or would enact term limits, its very possible that we could actually have a government that takes care of the people who need taken care of. But no... liberals love this government mess so much, that they give a pass to all of the crooks, the liars and the thieves and it's just business as usual. My God, they want to elect the very person who is the poster child for corruption, graft and theft. A person more crooked than a dog's hind leg.

I mean, if it wasn't so damn sad it would be hilarious.

Right, it's all liberals.

Are you at all aware of what happened during the Bush Administration with Blackwater, Halliburton, and various oil companies in Iraq? The GOP doesn't even operate under the pretense of helping children (like with Epipens). They blatantly send soldiers to die for a buck.

Bush??? Again?? Do you see W under your bed at night? Dude, get some help. Seriously...

Okay, I see, you're confused.

You pivoted this thread into a political attack against "liberals" and their "crony" ways, apparently unaware that when it comes to govt handouts and sweetheart contracts with corporations, nobody has ever matched the rampant greed and fraud perpetrated by Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld when it comes to Halliburton, Blackwater, and hundreds of other civilian contracting companies in Iraq and Afghanistan.

If you wanted to say that both parties are engaging in rampant greed and back-scratching with corporate benefactors, you'll get no argument from me. But when you hone in on Democrats/Liberals as the primary villains for making "millions" on an epipen, and ignore the billions earned by the corporate benefactors and their puppets in government (and STILL in government) under GOP administrations, you're being a hypocrite.

Academi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Halliburton - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But, judging by your avatar, apparently you're a willing participant in the war-profiteering industry.

 

[Toronado3800]

People spend all kinds of money on tattoos, piercings,hairdos, manicures, pedicures, x box, cell phones, wide screen tv, premium movie channels, etc. etc. but to spend money on something to save their own lives........

They think someone else should pay for it.

A valid point you have made.

Do you find the price increase for epipens to be called for? Is the company getting sued out of existence or something?

Whether the increase was called for or not is none of my business.

They own the product, they can do what they want with it.
People can pay for it or go elsewhere.
What did people do before epipens?
New businesses can start up to offer alternatives.
When a door closes, a window opens.

Sorry, but the fanciful idea of a "free market" does not apply to medical industries. Free market necessarily requires consumer choice. When you're nearly dead, choice goes out the window.

So you would have the government demand this company produce the product, mandate the price, etc?

If it was my company, I would pull the product and put it on the shelf.

First, do you have any idea what the cost of production is and if they've recouped their development cost?

Assuming they have and at about $150 for a pack of two they make money, if it were your company you would pull the product rather than (presumably) making the money off selling them for $150 a pack?

Oh, and what goes around comes around. If you pull them, no more socialist public police force or military. You have to hire protection for your home and presumably your children at school.

 

[Toronado3800]

People spend all kinds of money on tattoos, piercings,hairdos, manicures, pedicures, x box, cell phones, wide screen tv, premium movie channels, etc. etc. but to spend money on something to save their own lives........

They think someone else should pay for it.

A valid point you have made.

Do you find the price increase for epipens to be called for? Is the company getting sued out of existence or something?

Whether the increase was called for or not is none of my business.

They own the product, they can do what they want with it.
People can pay for it or go elsewhere.
What did people do before epipens?
New businesses can start up to offer alternatives.
When a door closes, a window opens.

Sorry, but the fanciful idea of a "free market" does not apply to medical industries. Free market necessarily requires consumer choice. When you're nearly dead, choice goes out the window.

So you would have the government demand this company produce the product, mandate the price, etc?

If it was my company, I would pull the product and put it on the shelf.

I think something that is a medical necessity for Americans to live should be subject to some government regulation in terms of access if the only thing stopping it from wide distribution is personal greed.

The man who invented the polio vaccine could've made billions. Instead, he shared his discovery with the world. That's how real science operates.

I agree. I hope the man made good money off at least his reputation for the rest of his life also.

You know, I hope Mylar makes enough money off these at a reasonable cost they want to up production!

There could be a boogy man here in the supply chain but no one is outing him so I am beginning to wonder if he exists or if it is just the producer.

They way it seems $10,000,000 of the pay increase to the CEO is $100 added to the each of a run of 100,000 epipens.

 

[oldsoul]

People spend all kinds of money on tattoos, piercings,hairdos, manicures, pedicures, x box, cell phones, wide screen tv, premium movie channels, etc. etc. but to spend money on something to save their own lives........

They think someone else should pay for it.

A valid point you have made.

Do you find the price increase for epipens to be called for? Is the company getting sued out of existence or something?

Whether the increase was called for or not is none of my business.

They own the product, they can do what they want with it.
People can pay for it or go elsewhere.
What did people do before epipens?
New businesses can start up to offer alternatives.
When a door closes, a window opens.

Sorry, but the fanciful idea of a "free market" does not apply to medical industries. Free market necessarily requires consumer choice. When you're nearly dead, choice goes out the window.

While I agree with your last statement, this product is not purchased when you are "nearly dead". So that fails.

"Free market necessarily requires consumer choice." Finally, we actually agree on something. Why, in your opinion, is there no consumer choice for these? Furthermore, do you think it's a "good thing"? Should there be a period of time where a new product is "protected" from competition? If so, how long?

Why do you believe that free market "rules" do not, or more accurately "should not", apply to medical industries? Is it that they are "too important"? What other industries should not be subject to free market "rules"?

 

[GaryDog]

People spend all kinds of money on tattoos, piercings,hairdos, manicures, pedicures, x box, cell phones, wide screen tv, premium movie channels, etc. etc. but to spend money on something to save their own lives........

They think someone else should pay for it.

A valid point you have made.

Do you find the price increase for epipens to be called for? Is the company getting sued out of existence or something?

Whether the increase was called for or not is none of my business.

They own the product, they can do what they want with it.
People can pay for it or go elsewhere.
What did people do before epipens?
New businesses can start up to offer alternatives.
When a door closes, a window opens.

Sorry, but the fanciful idea of a "free market" does not apply to medical industries. Free market necessarily requires consumer choice. When you're nearly dead, choice goes out the window.

While I agree with your last statement, this product is not purchased when you are "nearly dead". So that fails.

"Free market necessarily requires consumer choice." Finally, we actually agree on something. Why, in your opinion, is there no consumer choice for these? Furthermore, do you think it's a "good thing"? Should there be a period of time where a new product is "protected" from competition? If so, how long?

Why do you believe that free market "rules" do not, or more accurately "should not", apply to medical industries? Is it that they are "too important"? What other industries should not be subject to free market "rules"?

The US Patent office protects rights of innovators well enough, and however long they need to recoup R&D is good enough. What's increasingly happening with various treatments (biologics are one good example) is that the companies are able to extend patents through loopholes in US patent law, and thanks in large part to their benefactors in Congress.

I'm not some anti-pharmaceutical hippy. I've been diagnosed with arthritis for more than 20 years, and the biologic treatments have been a near-miracle. But Pfizer and other companies have become very, very VERY rich as a result, and at some point the balance has tipped too far. It STILL costs $1100 per month to benefit from biologic treatment for arthritis if you don't have insurance.

And if you don't think there are cases where someone is "nearly dead" when they acquire an epipen, I question your general knowledge about medical science, and allergies in particular.

Other industries that should not involve pure "free market" liberation include water and sewer districts, roads, infrastructure, defense, police, etc. Increasingly, however, we're letting private companies get insanely rich by usurping government operators and doing so with built-in profit. That's not a free market, that's corporate welfare.

So is this.

 

[Toronado3800]

People spend all kinds of money on tattoos, piercings,hairdos, manicures, pedicures, x box, cell phones, wide screen tv, premium movie channels, etc. etc. but to spend money on something to save their own lives........

They think someone else should pay for it.

A valid point you have made.

Do you find the price increase for epipens to be called for? Is the company getting sued out of existence or something?

Whether the increase was called for or not is none of my business.

They own the product, they can do what they want with it.
People can pay for it or go elsewhere.
What did people do before epipens?
New businesses can start up to offer alternatives.
When a door closes, a window opens.

Sorry, but the fanciful idea of a "free market" does not apply to medical industries. Free market necessarily requires consumer choice. When you're nearly dead, choice goes out the window.

While I agree with your last statement, this product is not purchased when you are "nearly dead". So that fails.

"Free market necessarily requires consumer choice." Finally, we actually agree on something. Why, in your opinion, is there no consumer choice for these? Furthermore, do you think it's a "good thing"? Should there be a period of time where a new product is "protected" from competition? If so, how long?

Why do you believe that free market "rules" do not, or more accurately "should not", apply to medical industries? Is it that they are "too important"? What other industries should not be subject to free market "rules"?

Medical needs watched in my opinion. Think this was left alone until an oddity arose.

I disagree with your logic on the "While I agree with your last statement, this product is not purchased when you are "nearly dead". So that fails.". If I was soo allergic to whatever I would consider keeping one necessary for life.

 

[Pop23]

Obamacare forced schools to all have epipens....and the government isn't paying the full cost.....so they had to make up the difference....that is one part of it...

Another part....democrat Senator Manchin...his daughter is the CEO of the company...and it just so happens the FDA has been slow walking Mylan competitor products ....so they have a monopoly....

They also contributed money to the clinton foundation......

All threads of corruption at the highest levels....

Can you simply not help but make it political?

it is political.....her father is a powerful Democrat Senator and they used that influence and ties to the clinton family to get control over the FDA...and to use that control to squeeze out competitors....

Yup, hard to blame this one on greedy republicans:

Daughter of a powerful DEMOCRAT

Heather Bresch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Defiant1]

People spend all kinds of money on tattoos, piercings,hairdos, manicures, pedicures, x box, cell phones, wide screen tv, premium movie channels, etc. etc. but to spend money on something to save their own lives........

They think someone else should pay for it.

A valid point you have made.

Do you find the price increase for epipens to be called for? Is the company getting sued out of existence or something?

Whether the increase was called for or not is none of my business.

They own the product, they can do what they want with it.
People can pay for it or go elsewhere.
What did people do before epipens?
New businesses can start up to offer alternatives.
When a door closes, a window opens.

Sorry, but the fanciful idea of a "free market" does not apply to medical industries. Free market necessarily requires consumer choice. When you're nearly dead, choice goes out the window.

While I agree with your last statement, this product is not purchased when you are "nearly dead". So that fails.

"Free market necessarily requires consumer choice." Finally, we actually agree on something. Why, in your opinion, is there no consumer choice for these? Furthermore, do you think it's a "good thing"? Should there be a period of time where a new product is "protected" from competition? If so, how long?

Why do you believe that free market "rules" do not, or more accurately "should not", apply to medical industries? Is it that they are "too important"? What other industries should not be subject to free market "rules"?

Medical needs watched in my opinion. Think this was left alone until an oddity arose.

I disagree with your logic on the "While I agree with your last statement, this product is not purchased when you are "nearly dead". So that fails.". If I was soo allergic to whatever I would consider keeping one necessary for life.

What did people do before epipens?

Survival of the fittest.

 

[oldsoul]

I say it is tax payers business since lobbyist pushed through legislation to spend tax payer money to equip all the schools with epipens and FDA refused another companies attempt to provide an alternative

I agree, it IS our business.

Your post raises two questions for me:

1. Why was legislation passed to equip all schools with Epi-pens? A question answered, in part at least, by 2aguy.
2. Why is the FDA refusing to allow another company to provide an alternative?

Two questions that I think need to be answered to be able to fully understand the situation. If it is found that the legislation was, indeed, passed as an "unfair" protection, it should be repelled. Period. If the FDA is using/abusing their powers to "protect" the producer of Epi-pens, then there needs to be accountability for the person(s) responsible for the decision. If, however, both questions are answered in a way that shows no "unfair" practices, then all is well.

Side note:
I can't help but wonder... Sense all schools are required to purchase these, is there a supply issue that has caused the price to go up, or is this simply "price gouging"?

 

[oldsoul]

People spend all kinds of money on tattoos, piercings,hairdos, manicures, pedicures, x box, cell phones, wide screen tv, premium movie channels, etc. etc. but to spend money on something to save their own lives........

They think someone else should pay for it.

A valid point you have made.

Do you find the price increase for epipens to be called for? Is the company getting sued out of existence or something?

Whether the increase was called for or not is none of my business.

They own the product, they can do what they want with it.
People can pay for it or go elsewhere.
What did people do before epipens?
New businesses can start up to offer alternatives.
When a door closes, a window opens.

Sorry, but the fanciful idea of a "free market" does not apply to medical industries. Free market necessarily requires consumer choice. When you're nearly dead, choice goes out the window.

While I agree with your last statement, this product is not purchased when you are "nearly dead". So that fails.

"Free market necessarily requires consumer choice." Finally, we actually agree on something. Why, in your opinion, is there no consumer choice for these? Furthermore, do you think it's a "good thing"? Should there be a period of time where a new product is "protected" from competition? If so, how long?

Why do you believe that free market "rules" do not, or more accurately "should not", apply to medical industries? Is it that they are "too important"? What other industries should not be subject to free market "rules"?

The US Patent office protects rights of innovators well enough, and however long they need to recoup R&D is good enough. What's increasingly happening with various treatments (biologics are one good example) is that the companies are able to extend patents through loopholes in US patent law, and thanks in large part to their benefactors in Congress.

I'm not some anti-pharmaceutical hippy. I've been diagnosed with arthritis for more than 20 years, and the biologic treatments have been a near-miracle. But Pfizer and other companies have become very, very VERY rich as a result, and at some point the balance has tipped too far. It STILL costs $1100 per month to benefit from biologic treatment for arthritis if you don't have insurance.

And if you don't think there are cases where someone is "nearly dead" when they acquire an epipen, I question your general knowledge about medical science, and allergies in particular.

Other industries that should not involve pure "free market" liberation include water and sewer districts, roads, infrastructure, defense, police, etc. Increasingly, however, we're letting private companies get insanely rich by usurping government operators and doing so with built-in profit. That's not a free market, that's corporate welfare.

So is this.

Ummm, last I checked the services you mentioned are government functions, so what is your point?

And if you don't think there are cases where someone is "nearly dead" when they acquire an epipen, I question your general knowledge about medical science, and allergies in particular.

As I'm sure you noticed, and apparently forgot, I said nothing about acquiring one, I was referring to PURCHASING one. There is a difference, and I would have thought you understood that. Am I incorrect?

 

[alpine]

People spend all kinds of money on tattoos, piercings,hairdos, manicures, pedicures, x box, cell phones, wide screen tv, premium movie channels, etc. etc. but to spend money on something to save their own lives........

They think someone else should pay for it.

A valid point you have made.

Do you find the price increase for epipens to be called for? Is the company getting sued out of existence or something?

Whether the increase was called for or not is none of my business.

They own the product, they can do what they want with it.
People can pay for it or go elsewhere.
What did people do before epipens?
New businesses can start up to offer alternatives.
When a door closes, a window opens.

Sorry, but the fanciful idea of a "free market" does not apply to medical industries. Free market necessarily requires consumer choice. When you're nearly dead, choice goes out the window.

So you would have the government demand this company produce the product, mandate the price, etc?

If it was my company, I would pull the product and put it on the shelf.

I think something that is a medical necessity for Americans to live should be subject to some government regulation in terms of access if the only thing stopping it from wide distribution is personal greed.

The man who invented the polio vaccine could've made billions. Instead, he shared his discovery with the world. That's how real science operates.

This is a free country.
People reserve the right to be disgusting scum of the earth human beings...

 

[oldsoul]

People spend all kinds of money on tattoos, piercings,hairdos, manicures, pedicures, x box, cell phones, wide screen tv, premium movie channels, etc. etc. but to spend money on something to save their own lives........

They think someone else should pay for it.

A valid point you have made.

Do you find the price increase for epipens to be called for? Is the company getting sued out of existence or something?

Whether the increase was called for or not is none of my business.

They own the product, they can do what they want with it.
People can pay for it or go elsewhere.
What did people do before epipens?
New businesses can start up to offer alternatives.
When a door closes, a window opens.

Sorry, but the fanciful idea of a "free market" does not apply to medical industries. Free market necessarily requires consumer choice. When you're nearly dead, choice goes out the window.

While I agree with your last statement, this product is not purchased when you are "nearly dead". So that fails.

"Free market necessarily requires consumer choice." Finally, we actually agree on something. Why, in your opinion, is there no consumer choice for these? Furthermore, do you think it's a "good thing"? Should there be a period of time where a new product is "protected" from competition? If so, how long?

Why do you believe that free market "rules" do not, or more accurately "should not", apply to medical industries? Is it that they are "too important"? What other industries should not be subject to free market "rules"?

Medical needs watched in my opinion. Think this was left alone until an oddity arose.

I disagree with your logic on the "While I agree with your last statement, this product is not purchased when you are "nearly dead". So that fails.". If I was soo allergic to whatever I would consider keeping one necessary for life.

Actually you are agreeing with me. When one is allergic to something to the point of life and death situations stemming from said allergy, and one has prior knowledge of this, one would generally be prepared for said situations in advance. Imagine being deathly allergic to bee stings, knowing it, and waiting until you are sting to head down to Walmart to get an Epi-pen. That would be insane.

 

[Toronado3800]

A valid point you have made.

Do you find the price increase for epipens to be called for? Is the company getting sued out of existence or something?

Whether the increase was called for or not is none of my business.

They own the product, they can do what they want with it.
People can pay for it or go elsewhere.
What did people do before epipens?
New businesses can start up to offer alternatives.
When a door closes, a window opens.

Sorry, but the fanciful idea of a "free market" does not apply to medical industries. Free market necessarily requires consumer choice. When you're nearly dead, choice goes out the window.

So you would have the government demand this company produce the product, mandate the price, etc?

If it was my company, I would pull the product and put it on the shelf.

I think something that is a medical necessity for Americans to live should be subject to some government regulation in terms of access if the only thing stopping it from wide distribution is personal greed.

The man who invented the polio vaccine could've made billions. Instead, he shared his discovery with the world. That's how real science operates.

This is a free country.
People reserve the right to be disgusting scum of the earth human beings...

I hear you.

There are limits though and if I can make $50 for potentially saving your life I should probably do it instead of holding out for $500.

Especially if I benefit from the services of our socialist police, patent office and military.

 

[Toronado3800]

A valid point you have made.

Do you find the price increase for epipens to be called for? Is the company getting sued out of existence or something?

Whether the increase was called for or not is none of my business.

They own the product, they can do what they want with it.
People can pay for it or go elsewhere.
What did people do before epipens?
New businesses can start up to offer alternatives.
When a door closes, a window opens.

Sorry, but the fanciful idea of a "free market" does not apply to medical industries. Free market necessarily requires consumer choice. When you're nearly dead, choice goes out the window.

While I agree with your last statement, this product is not purchased when you are "nearly dead". So that fails.

"Free market necessarily requires consumer choice." Finally, we actually agree on something. Why, in your opinion, is there no consumer choice for these? Furthermore, do you think it's a "good thing"? Should there be a period of time where a new product is "protected" from competition? If so, how long?

Why do you believe that free market "rules" do not, or more accurately "should not", apply to medical industries? Is it that they are "too important"? What other industries should not be subject to free market "rules"?

Medical needs watched in my opinion. Think this was left alone until an oddity arose.

I disagree with your logic on the "While I agree with your last statement, this product is not purchased when you are "nearly dead". So that fails.". If I was soo allergic to whatever I would consider keeping one necessary for life.

Actually you are agreeing with me. When one is allergic to something to the point of life and death situations stemming from said allergy, and one has prior knowledge of this, one would generally be prepared for said situations in advance. Imagine being deathly allergic to bee stings, knowing it, and waiting until you are sting to head down to Walmart to get an Epi-pen. That would be insane.

I probably replied to the wrong post. It does seem I agree with you.

Thank goodness I didn't go off on a cussing rage as sometimes folks are prone to.

 

[RodISHI]

I say it is tax payers business since lobbyist pushed through legislation to spend tax payer money to equip all the schools with epipens and FDA refused another companies attempt to provide an alternative

I agree, it IS our business.

Your post raises two questions for me:

1. Why was legislation passed to equip all schools with Epi-pens? A question answered, in part at least, by 2aguy.
2. Why is the FDA refusing to allow another company to provide an alternative?

Two questions that I think need to be answered to be able to fully understand the situation. If it is found that the legislation was, indeed, passed as an "unfair" protection, it should be repelled. Period. If the FDA is using/abusing their powers to "protect" the producer of Epi-pens, then there needs to be accountability for the person(s) responsible for the decision. If, however, both questions are answered in a way that shows no "unfair" practices, then all is well.

Side note:
I can't help but wonder... Sense all schools are required to purchase these, is there a supply issue that has caused the price to go up, or is this simply "price gouging"?

Good questions. I'd have to go back to the two dozen articles I read yesterday to answer them in part. I think part of the problem we have is not just FDA but the American Medical and Pharmaceutical Societies lobbying to keep people in the dark and dependent. Since I am deathly allergic I should be able to just buy a small bottle of Epinephrine to have in my emergency pack along with a few sterile syringes.

The Epipen is just a handy means of delivery which is handy that is pre-measured regardless of age or size of the Epinephrine that a person needing the shot.

That brings us to the issue of medical devices and the cost to get these devices approved through FDA. We have one size fits all for these regulations. IMO, this medicine delivery system is just a plugger shot. It is no where near the same as say a heart valve, breast implant or some sort of new mesh product these medical device companies are always coming up with to try out out people.

 

[alpine]

Whether the increase was called for or not is none of my business.

They own the product, they can do what they want with it.
People can pay for it or go elsewhere.
What did people do before epipens?
New businesses can start up to offer alternatives.
When a door closes, a window opens.

Sorry, but the fanciful idea of a "free market" does not apply to medical industries. Free market necessarily requires consumer choice. When you're nearly dead, choice goes out the window.

So you would have the government demand this company produce the product, mandate the price, etc?

If it was my company, I would pull the product and put it on the shelf.

I think something that is a medical necessity for Americans to live should be subject to some government regulation in terms of access if the only thing stopping it from wide distribution is personal greed.

The man who invented the polio vaccine could've made billions. Instead, he shared his discovery with the world. That's how real science operates.

This is a free country.
People reserve the right to be disgusting scum of the earth human beings...

I hear you.

There are limits though and if I can make $50 for potentially saving your life I should probably do it instead of holding out for $500.

Especially if I benefit from the services of our socialist police, patent office and military.

But if you did hold it out for $500, you would be profiting 2 folds if you saved only 2 out of 10 children you could have saved... Less work, much more profit...
Who cares about the other 8 children...
This is AMERICA... fck yea...
Free country... Free of morals and social guilt...

 

[Votto]

Usually we debate big policy issues, but what is the deal with the surge in EpiPen prices and what would you do about it?

I don't know if this chart is even scaled correctly to show the difference between $50 a pen and $350.

This $300 discount program seems strange for a business to undertake. First, it came about after the press started slamming Mylan for crying poor and holding a CEO pay increase. Second, it seems if your family of four makes less than $90,000 you can get a pen for about $100, more, no discount. Just guessing on the math but would it be possible to just sell them all for $150 a pop or so? Not that I don't like staggered tax rates but is it legal for a private company to charge some folks more? Sometimes my place of employment will cut people who we think need help a break I suppose...

What a strange deal. And to throw another random thought in:

The Onion cracks me up btw. And yes, while I have seen this in the news recently it is after reading The Onion article and laughing that I decided to post about a serious topic.

Government Slams High Cost Of EpiPens

People across the country are literally forced to buy these pins.

For example, a child in school must have one on their person, as well as one for the school nurse, and they are only good for up to a year.

Thanks to the government, all of this is mandatory. And if you are "rich", aka have a job, then you will pay.