Equality and Tolerance: A Purely Objective View

You said the businessman could refuse service to anyone he chooses, thus, you sided with him in refusing to serve a Jew, because he was a Jew.

That is an act of anti-Semitism. You chose to make it government sanctioned.

If you wish to dispute that, do so with some elaboration beyond repeatedly badgering me with a useless question about whether or not I read your post.

God and goddess, this is like talking to a mental patient! Supporting someone's right to do business (or not) with whomever he chooses IS NOT THE SAME as agreeing with his choices!

Yes it is. Allowing businesses to discriminate against Jews is an endorsement of anti-Semitism;

it's a choice. It's a choice of whether or not you want acts of anti-Semitism to be civil rights in your country.

It would be no different than if you supported Americans publishing child pornography, as an exercise of freedom of the press,

even if you yourself wanted nothing personally to do with child pornography.

WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK! Is this sinking through that thick skull yet? Agreeing someone has a right to be a dickhead is not the same as approving of that person being a dickhead! Is that clear enough...dickhead?
 
Hey lets pretend that the very best cancer doctor in the USA is Jewish (this is not pretending much).

Should it be ok for this Jewish doctor to refuse to help red neck jew haters? And lets pretend that you Carmac, are the red neck with cancer that the doctor won't treat.

That would be perfectly acceptable. Right? I mean, it is only your life on the line.

And don't bother me with the "Hippocratic oath shit. That can be ignored just like the COTUS and our laws.

Yes, that would be fine by me. AFAIK, the Hippopcratic Oath has no legal standing.
 
Objectively speaking...Jesus didn't discriminate. He served everyone didn't he? He turned no one away.

Why would Christians choose to discriminate?

He turned Satan away, did he not? He cast out demons in his name, did he not? Even still he was merciful even to the demons who begged him to let them possess a herd of pigs. He let them. Jesus made the discrimination between righteousness and sinfulness did he not? Funny how you have this idyllic view of Jesus, but have no clue what he was actually like. He cast the moneychangers out of the synagogue with a whip, exclaiming "this is my father's house, not a den of thieves!" Should he not be condemned for kicking people out of a place of worship?

No, he did a lot of discriminating. If he was all accepting there would have been no point for him to come to Earth to die on the cross for the sins of mankind, Coyote. Nor would he have performed his miracles, fed the hungry or healed the sick or afflicted. Sorry, he isn't the type of person you're portraying him to be.

Satan wasn't a human.

Jesus refused no one who came to him.

Nowhere did it say anything about him casting out homosexuals.

If Christians are going to discriminate in Jesus' name - why is that discrimination limited to homosexual customers? Why is homosexuality singled out when there is nothing in Jesus' words that does that? I think it's a false discrimination done in his name.

Jesus did indeed discriminate. He also upheld the sanctity of creation and of marriage.

“And He answered and said to them, ‘Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning “made them male and female,” and said, “For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh”?"

-Jesus on being questioned by the Pharisees about divorce, Matthew 19:4-5.

Jesus also spoke of the destruction of the Sodomite (who openly celebrated homosexuality) cities of Sodom and Gomorrah. (Luke 17:28-32; Matthew 10:15; 11:24; Mark 6:11.)

“Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.”

-Jude 1:7-8

He openly cites the first four five books of the Old Testament, which coincidentally condemns homosexuality to be an abomination before God:

"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."

-Leviticus 18:22

“For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”

-John 5:46-47
 
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He turned Satan away, did he not? He cast out demons in his name, did he not? Even still he was merciful even to the demons who begged him to let them possess a herd of pigs. He let them. Jesus made the discrimination between righteousness and sinfulness did he not? Funny how you have this idyllic view of Jesus, but have no clue what he was actually like. He cast the moneychangers out of the synagogue with a whip, exclaiming "this is my father's house, not a den of thieves!" Should he not be condemned for kicking people out of a place of worship?

No, he did a lot of discriminating. If he was all accepting there would have been no point for him to come to Earth to die on the cross for the sins of mankind, Coyote. Nor would he have performed his miracles, fed the hungry or healed the sick or afflicted. Sorry, he isn't the type of person you're portraying him to be.

Satan wasn't a human.

Jesus refused no one who came to him.

Nowhere did it say anything about him casting out homosexuals.

If Christians are going to discriminate in Jesus' name - why is that discrimination limited to homosexual customers? Why is homosexuality singled out when there is nothing in Jesus' words that does that? I think it's a false discrimination done in his name.

Jesus did indeed discriminate. He also upheld the sanctity of creation and of marriage.

“And He answered and said to them, ‘Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning “made them male and female,” and said, “For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh”?"

-Jesus on being questioned by the Pharisees about divorce, Matthew 19:4-5.

Jesus also spoke of the destruction of the Sodomite (who openly celebrated homosexuality) cities of Sodom and Gomorrah. (Luke 17:28-32; Matthew 10:15; 11:24; Mark 6:11.)

“Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.”

-Jude 1:7-8

He openly cites the first four five books of the Old Testament, which coincidentally condemns homosexuality to be an abomination before God:

"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."

-Leviticus 18:22

“For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”

-John 5:46-47

If you right wing turds want to use the Bible and the Old Testament as an absolute, then you have to accept everything that comes with it. Including that God sanctions abortions...


Num 5:29-30
This is the law of jealousies, when a wife goeth aside to another instead of her husband, and is defiled;
Or when the spirit of jealousy cometh upon him, and he be jealous over his wife, and shall set the woman before the LORD, and the priest shall execute upon her all this law.

According to this law, if a husband suspects that his wife has been unfaithful, he can force her to submit to a trial by ordeal. The woman must then drink a holy potion made with water and dust from the floor of the tabernacle. If the woman is innocent, drinking the bitter water that brings curses will not affect her. If the woman is guilty, she will become ill and any fetus she carries in her womb will miscarry.
 
God and goddess, this is like talking to a mental patient! Supporting someone's right to do business (or not) with whomever he chooses IS NOT THE SAME as agreeing with his choices!

Yes it is. Allowing businesses to discriminate against Jews is an endorsement of anti-Semitism;

it's a choice. It's a choice of whether or not you want acts of anti-Semitism to be civil rights in your country.

It would be no different than if you supported Americans publishing child pornography, as an exercise of freedom of the press,

even if you yourself wanted nothing personally to do with child pornography.

WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK! Is this sinking through that thick skull yet? Agreeing someone has a right to be a dickhead is not the same as approving of that person being a dickhead! Is that clear enough...dickhead?

you may not agree with it, but you sanction it via turning a blind eye.
 
God and goddess, this is like talking to a mental patient! Supporting someone's right to do business (or not) with whomever he chooses IS NOT THE SAME as agreeing with his choices!

Yes it is. Allowing businesses to discriminate against Jews is an endorsement of anti-Semitism;

it's a choice. It's a choice of whether or not you want acts of anti-Semitism to be civil rights in your country.

It would be no different than if you supported Americans publishing child pornography, as an exercise of freedom of the press,

even if you yourself wanted nothing personally to do with child pornography.

WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK! Is this sinking through that thick skull yet? Agreeing someone has a right to be a dickhead is not the same as approving of that person being a dickhead! Is that clear enough...dickhead?

So someone can be pro-life and pro-choice at the same time?

Your rationale is nonsensical. By claiming that someone has the right to do something you are stating your belief that whatever that action or behaviour is, you find it acceptable. You are willling to allow it in your society.

You stated a willingness to allow anti-semitism in American society. You should tell us why you find that acceptable.
 
Your own link proves you wrong.

Who is surprised?

The kicker is that based on how these conservatives want things to be, the Musliim could fire someone for eating pork.

And they should have that right.

This is a serious question. Is there ANYTHING an American could desire to do in the name of their religion that you would NOT protect as a constitutional right?

Where is the line? Where do you believe the special privilege of religion ends?
 
God and goddess, this is like talking to a mental patient! Supporting someone's right to do business (or not) with whomever he chooses IS NOT THE SAME as agreeing with his choices!

Yes it is. Allowing businesses to discriminate against Jews is an endorsement of anti-Semitism;

it's a choice. It's a choice of whether or not you want acts of anti-Semitism to be civil rights in your country.

It would be no different than if you supported Americans publishing child pornography, as an exercise of freedom of the press,

even if you yourself wanted nothing personally to do with child pornography.

WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK! Is this sinking through that thick skull yet? Agreeing someone has a right to be a dickhead is not the same as approving of that person being a dickhead! Is that clear enough...dickhead?


I'm dead serious, I don't think they understand the distinction.

The idea of "I may not agree with what you say but I'll defend to the death your right to say it" literally does not register. All they care about is stopping someone from saying something they don't like, and that's where it ends. Period.

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Sorry but if a gay wants to buy some M&M's from your store you have to sell it to them. And if you, an infidel, go to a store with a muslim manager they have to sell you groceries.

If you don't like it there are several countries in the world experimenting in segregation and discrimination. They are in the middle east and Africa, the most wonderful places in the world :laugh:

Typical liberal solution. That gay customer can:

1) Go to any of the 99 plus % of stores who don't give a crap who someone buying M&M's from sleeps with to buy their M&Ms.

2) Go to a bureaucrat, who has the permission of politicians to force that particular store to sell them the M&Ms.

Only an authoritarian leftist would pick option 2, so of course that's what you go with.
 
What takes precedent....the US Constitution or the Bible?

Simple question. One or the other.

There is no answer to that question because you didn't give a context for the question. The government should follow the US Constitution first. The people in their own lives make their own choices.
 
What takes precedent....the US Constitution or the Bible?

Simple question. One or the other.

There is no answer to that question because you didn't give a context for the question. The government should follow the US Constitution first. The people in their own lives make their own choices.

If you don't want to answer, just say so.

The answer is clear to anyone who thinks rationally.
 
Yes it is. Allowing businesses to discriminate against Jews is an endorsement of anti-Semitism;

it's a choice. It's a choice of whether or not you want acts of anti-Semitism to be civil rights in your country.

It would be no different than if you supported Americans publishing child pornography, as an exercise of freedom of the press,

even if you yourself wanted nothing personally to do with child pornography.

WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK, WHACK! Is this sinking through that thick skull yet? Agreeing someone has a right to be a dickhead is not the same as approving of that person being a dickhead! Is that clear enough...dickhead?


I'm dead serious, I don't think they understand the distinction.

The idea of "I may not agree with what you say but I'll defend to the death your right to say it" literally does not register. All they care about is stopping someone from saying something they don't like, and that's where it ends. Period.

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You are full of shit. Who the fuck is "they"?
 
What takes precedent....the US Constitution or the Bible?

Simple question. One or the other.

There is no answer to that question because you didn't give a context for the question. The government should follow the US Constitution first. The people in their own lives make their own choices.

If you don't want to answer, just say so.

The answer is clear to anyone who thinks rationally.

Um...I answered it...
 
There is no answer to that question because you didn't give a context for the question. The government should follow the US Constitution first. The people in their own lives make their own choices.

If you don't want to answer, just say so.

The answer is clear to anyone who thinks rationally.

Um...I answered it...

Nope. You did not. The answer is either the USC or the Bible. Thanks anyway.
 
Um...I answered it...

Nope. You did not. The answer is either the USC or the Bible. Thanks anyway.

Liberals are such simpletons. That's what cracks me up when you call anyone else black and white.

Yes. I asked a simple question with an either/or answer. That makes me a simpleton. I have no ability to grasp nuance. I care little for grey areas. It is clear from this thread.

You, on the other hand, are all in with the OP in his quest to stop people from being intolerant of his intolerance. You are so complex. I can't stand it.

How about telling me what takes precedent? The United States Constitution or the Bible? Humor my simple mind.
 

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