Even If Classified Documents Were Recovered In Trump Raid, It Looks Like Chances Of Conviction Are Quite Slim

[bripat9643]

Trump has been a Russian asset, if not agent, since at least the turn of the century.

It' impossible to believe how fucking stupid and gullible you are.

 

[Care4all]

18 U.S. Code § 793 - Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information​

Whoever, for the purpose of obtaining information respecting the national defense with intent or reason to believe that the information is to be used to the injury of the United States, or to the advantage of any foreign nation...

This statute requires that the person not only be in possession of the material, but that they person believes the material is to be used for injury to the US. No one, even Trump haters with a brain, would think that Trump was going to use the material to cause damage to the United States. What was Trump planning to do, sell nuclear secrets to Kim Jong Un in exchange for billions of dollars? Release the rcords to the NYT to damage the reputation of the US? Doesn't seem credible

But there is more to the law, that could relate to his situation.

This was SCIF TOP SECRET stuff that he let aids pack up, who did not have clearance.

And he refused to return it when asked

And he was negligent.

So, its possible he could still be in trouble??? The devil is in the details....


(e)
Whoever having unauthorized possession of, access to, or control over any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or
(f)
Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both

 

[bripat9643]

The first anyone heard about it was Feb 2022.

It all needed to go back and his lawyers claimed they had given it all back.

The the FBI found more boxes of it anyway.

No, it actually doesn't.

 

[Synthaholic]

and yet Hillary was not charged for that. Go figure.

There were 19 fake Benghazi witch hunts conducted by Republicans. None of them referred HRC for prosecution.

You lose again.

 

[2aguy]

You think Trump’s presidential library is in his basement?

Moron.

And where is obama's Presidential Library right now, and his 30 million documents, you doofus?

 

[Jim H - VA USA]

What is the argument against intent? He took them. He kept them.

How does he say he didn’t intend to do so?

Trump Team claims they returned all relevant documents and told the FBI they could come and get anything else they wanted at any time.

So there is not intent to retain or fail to return.

 

[Marener]

And where is obama's Presidential Library right now, and his 30 million documents, you doofus?

Obama’s records are in custody of the National Archives.

Where they should be.

Trump really treats you like morons.

 

[Winco]

Obama took 30 million documents,

Are you even capable of doing research?

Read post #79 and tell me you still believe what you just wrote. ^^^^

Heck, I'll post it again.

Fact Check: Did Barack Obama Illegally Take 30 Million Pages of Documents to Chicago?

Fact checking Trump and his supporters' new line of whataboutism to defend and distract after the FBI searched the former president's Florida property as part of an ongoing criminal investigation

people.com

 

[bripat9643]

There were 19 fake Benghazi witch hunts conducted by Republicans. None of them referred HRC for prosecution.

You lose again.

They weren't criminal hearings, dumb fuck, and I have no idea what "19 Benghazi witch hunts" is supposed to mean. There was one investigation that occurred over multiple days.

 

[bripat9643]

Obama’s records are in custody of the National Archives.

Where they should be.

Trump really treats you like morons.

How can they be in the custody of the National Archives when they are in his library?

 

[Marener]

Trump Team claims they returned all relevant documents and told the FBI they could come and get anything else they wanted at any time.

So there is not intent to retain or fail to return.

That depends if that’s what they actually did.

The reporting is that Trump’s lawyers claimed that they had turned it all over and they clearly hadn’t.

Not sure where this open invitation to search his property is coming from other than perhaps wishful thinking.

 

[Foxfyre]

But there is more to the law, that could relate to his situation.

This was SCIF TOP SECRET stuff that he let aids pack up, who did not have clearance.

And he refused to return it when asked

And he was negligent.

So, its possible he could still be in trouble??? The devil is in the details....


(e)
Whoever having unauthorized possession of, access to, or control over any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or
(f)
Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both

Seriously you, I, nobody else knows what they found, what they took, what they were looking for. The President has full authority to declassify ANYTHING he wishes to declassify. Merrick Garland's statement was so idiotic and unbelievable that nobody with a brain could believe he was telling the truth. His body language demonstrated discomfort as well.

There was NO REASON not to allow his lawyer and other witnesses to be present during the search to demonstrate the FBI was on the up and up.

It is entirely credible to believe this was malicious and politically motivated. The timing, the way it was done, and the selective 'suggestions' to a fully leftwing compliant media have hoax written all over it.

 

[Marener]

How can they be in the custody of the National Archives when they are in his library?

Ask your grown up.

 

[Winco]

And where is obama's Presidential Library right now, and his 30 million documents, you doofus?

How can they be in the custody of the National Archives when they are in his library?

Good Glad these guys ^^^^ are Morons.
Read the link.

Fact Check: Did Barack Obama Illegally Take 30 Million Pages of Documents to Chicago?

Fact checking Trump and his supporters' new line of whataboutism to defend and distract after the FBI searched the former president's Florida property as part of an ongoing criminal investigation

people.com

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I'm well aware of the thread title, dumbass.

Clearly not since my reply was directed at the actual TOPIC of the thread but you have to do a drive by posting to show your ass and your ignorance.

is there anyone on this forum that adds less value than you? have you ever actually posted on the topic of any thread?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

How can they be in the custody of the National Archives when they are in his library?

His library is not yet open you fucking ignorant piece of shit.

 

[bripat9643]

Good Glad these guys ^^^^ are Morons.
Read the link.

Fact Check: Did Barack Obama Illegally Take 30 Million Pages of Documents to Chicago?

Fact checking Trump and his supporters' new line of whataboutism to defend and distract after the FBI searched the former president's Florida property as part of an ongoing criminal investigation

people.com

Here's just one of the numerous lies your story tells:

"To obtain a warrant to search for and retrieve Trump's White House records from Mar-a-Lago, the FBI needed approval from a "neutral and detached" federal judge. To get the judge's signature, investigators had to demonstrate probable cause by showing there was reasonable information to support the possibility that evidence of illegality will be found during the search."​

The judge is hardly "neutral." He's an Obama crony who has donated thousands of dollars to Obama. HE also previously recused himself from a Trump case because he said he couldn't be objective about it.

 

[bripat9643]

Clearly not since my reply was directed at the actual TOPIC of the thread but you have to do a drive by posting to show your ass and your ignorance.

is there anyone on this forum that adds less value than you? have you ever actually posted on the topic of any thread?

I did nothing of the sort. I pointed out that the thread premise is utter horseshit.

 

[bripat9643]

His library is not yet open you fucking ignorant piece of shit.

They are in Shitcago, moron.

 

[Donald H]

Just an observation.
It's beginning to look like MSNBC has government operatives employed so that the important questions will be asked.

This thing if now in full bloom by the FBI obviously attempting to make a very big sideshow out of the documents Trump was sitting on. The ultimate accusations of there being national security damage already have been done. Trump may have already passed on much of the top secret information to one of America's enemies.

Or at least saving the documents as insurance against the FBI/CIA/DOJ taking action against him.

The authorities are obviously appreciating the severity of the possibilities, and it's make obvious to them by Trump's openly mannerisms of not having any real concerns for government's security concerns.

In other words, the FBI is intent on a *clean kill while it's still possible.

*figuratively.