Even If Classified Documents Were Recovered In Trump Raid, It Looks Like Chances Of Conviction Are Quite Slim

[bripat9643]

There is no reason for Trump to have taken boxes of government documents to Florida after he left office.

Zero.

so there was no reason for Obama to take 30 million documents when he left?

 

[bripat9643]

By pretending to KNOW what was classified or NOT.

OK Mr. Pretend Insider.

Because Trump declassified it before he left, you dumb fuck.

I'm pretending nothing.

 

[Synthaholic]

Since President Trump having ordered the declassification of the documents is on official record

Another lie from the board's biggest liar.

 

[bripat9643]

Negative on all counts.

All presidents don’t secretly cart off boxes of classified information.

And no, everyone did not know about this from “day one”.

Obama took 30 million documents, and Clinton took plenty of documents. So did Carter, more than likely. What do you think they put in their libraries?

 

[Cellblock2429]

Ummmmmmmmmm, all presidents have taken boxes home. It's called moving. And, everyone has known about this from day one so why did they wait a year and a half to do this, right around the kangaroo hearings and just before the midterms? Seems kind of suspicious, doesn't it?

/——-/ Excellent point

 

[Independent thinker]

Negative on all counts.

All presidents don’t secretly cart off boxes of classified information.

And no, everyone did not know about this from “day one”.

It has been common knowledge that since shortly after Trump left office that he may have taken home some boxes that may have contained classified documents and it was not done in "secret" Can you prove that ridiculous claim? . In fact, Trump has been working with them on what should go back and what doesn't have to go back. And, yes, all presidents have left the White House with boxes of stuff.

 

[bripat9643]

Another lie from the board's biggest liar.

Trump: All Mar-a-Lago Materials Were 'Declassified'

 

[Synthaholic]

Will the next big breaking news event be the revealing of Trump's purpose for holding the documents?

And will it be suggested that he was going to attempt to sell them or trade them off to one of America's enemies?

Russia? Did Trump see the evidence as money in the bank or insurance against legal action being taken against him?

Or did he have other reasons?

Could it be that the top secret documents have already been passed on to Russia? That would seem to be as logical conclusion as anything else.

Trump has been a Russian asset, if not agent, since at least the turn of the century.

 

[Marener]

Obama took 30 million documents, and Clinton took plenty of documents. So did Carter, more than likely. What do you think they put in their libraries?

Shhh. Grown ups are talking

 

[Cellblock2429]

I didn’t bother reading any of this. What I will say is that I agree a conviction isn’t likely. Some things are just too good to be true, unfortunately. It would still be cathartic and satisfying to see him in handcuffs, however. Ah, talk about bliss. Hopefully the media image capturing it is spread far and wide and it will endure for the rest of time!

/——-/ I didn’t bother reading your post. But, I tagged it funny anyway.

 

[Synthaholic]

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As Obama said, snowflakes, the 1980s called and want their foreign policy back.

I guess you missed Manafort admitting that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia in 2016. Did your fake news channels not inform you?

 

[basquebromance]

Trump's desperate claims that he did nothing wrong, are, in a word: HOGWASH! or to use a more technical term: BS!

 

[Cellblock2429]

Trump has been a Russian asset, if not agent, since at least the turn of the century.

/——-/ And Banana Republic Joe is an asset of China, so we’re even Steven.

 

[Billy000]

/——-/ I didn’t bother reading your post. But, I tagged it funny anyway.

Oh, you definitely read it.

 

[Winco]

Because Trump declassified it before he left, you dumb fuck.

team trump is saying that.

I haven't seen anybody else say that.

trump lies
trump makes up shit.

 

[Foxfyre]

In the warrant (LINK), the laws allegedly broken are included....

"All physical documents and records constituting evidence, contraband, fruits of crime, or
other items illegally possessed in violation of 18 U.S.C. §§ 793, 2071 , or 1519

Here are links to the three statutes...

18 U.S. Code § 793 - Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information

www.law.cornell.edu

18 U.S. Code § 2071 - Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally

www.law.cornell.edu

18 U.S. Code § 1519 - Destruction, alteration, or falsification of records in Federal investigations and bankruptcy

www.law.cornell.edu

I am not a lawyer, but my read is that it will difficult to prove violation of these statutes, even if classified material was actually seized, for the reasoning I include below (my opinions, not cut and pasted or researched anywhere).

You Biden supporters and/or Trump haters can let me know why I am wrong.

18 U.S. Code § 793 - Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information​

Whoever, for the purpose of obtaining information respecting the national defense with intent or reason to believe that the information is to be used to the injury of the United States, or to the advantage of any foreign nation...

This statute requires that the person not only be in possession of the material, but that they person believes the material is to be used for injury to the US. No one, even Trump haters with a brain, would think that Trump was going to use the material to cause damage to the United States. What was Trump planning to do, sell nuclear secrets to Kim Jong Un in exchange for billions of dollars? Release the rcords to the NYT to damage the reputation of the US? Doesn't seem credible.

18 U.S. Code § 2071 - Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally​

Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so

This statute requires willful intent. So if Team Trump did not know there was classified material in the boxes, it would appear to be a successful defense against any relevant charge. Also, if there was no concealment or attempt to destroy, and Team Trump had told the FBI to come and get the material anytime it wanted to, like Trump has posted on Truth Social, then there would be no violation...
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18 U.S. Code § 1519 - Destruction, alteration, or falsification of records in Federal investigations and bankruptcy​

Whoever knowingly alters, destroys, mutilates, conceals, covers up, falsifies, or makes a false entry in any record, document, or tangible object with the intent to impede, obstruct, or influence the investigation or proper administration of any matter

This statute also requires intent. It's relevance is probably that it has been reported that Trump's lawyer signed a statement saying there was no classified material at Mar-A-Lago in June....

Trump's lawyer told the DOJ that ALL classified docs were returned

One of the lawyers working for Former President Donald Trump signed a written statement in June confirming that all classified material had been returned to the government.

www.dailymail.co.uk

If that signed statement was believed to be true at the time, there is no violation of this statute.

Opinions?

The FBI was at Mar-a-lago in June, requested some documents that were quickly handed over, given complete access to any place they wanted to look, were told if they needed anything else just ask and it would be provided. They did suggest an additional lock be put on the door to a storage room where documents were stored and that was done. They left amicably and requested absolutely no other documents.

President Trump has had these documents in his possession for more than 590 days with no problem suggested.

They got the warrant to do the search two weeks before the raid occurred pretty much proving there was no urgency.

They broke into the safe instead of asking it be opened which it would have been. They broke the lock they asked be put on--Trump's lawyer was there and could have unlocked it for them but she was banished from the premises and the FBI allowed NO WITNESSES to the search or what they took. They were there nine plus hours.

The timing was convenient to take press coverage off the horrendous legislation passed this week, take press coverage off the President's ridiculous statement that inflation was zero in July, take press coverage off the hordes of migrants flooding across our southern border and mayors objecting to them being bussed to THEIR cities. And the Democrats are terrified he could become President in 2024 again and have access to the evidence of what THEY have been doing.

Anybody who believes this was not politically motivated and malicious in intent, I still have that nice assortment of pretty bridges to sell.

 

[bripat9643]

the FBI was executing a search warrant issued by a federal judge. This sort of thing doesnt happen from just the FBI. It needs to come from the DOJ and a federal judge.

Also, if they were declassified, there would have been a record of it. Even if they were declassified, they still needed to be handled by the national archives.

Both the judge and the DOJ are corrupt, so that means nothing. You morons behave as if we have some kind of respectable government with ethics.

 

[bripat9643]

team trump is saying that.

I haven't seen anybody else say that.

trump lies
trump makes up shit.

And Team Biden is saying what you believe.

All Dims lie.

 

[Winco]

Obama took 30 million documents, and Clinton took plenty of documents. So did Carter, more than likely. What do you think they put in their libraries?

Fact Check: Did Barack Obama Illegally Take 30 Million Pages of Documents to Chicago?

Fact checking Trump and his supporters' new line of whataboutism to defend and distract after the FBI searched the former president's Florida property as part of an ongoing criminal investigation

people.com

 

[Marener]

It has been common knowledge that since shortly after Trump left office that he may have taken home some boxes that may have contained classified documents and it was not done in "secret" Can you prove that ridiculous claim? . In fact, Trump has been working with them on what should go back and what doesn't have to go back. And, yes, all presidents have left the White House with boxes of stuff.

The first anyone heard about it was Feb 2022.

It all needed to go back and his lawyers claimed they had given it all back.

The the FBI found more boxes of it anyway.