Every one of you likely did something outrageous at the age of 16 or 17.

[candycorn]

See ^^^^^
A perfect example of someone ignoring the principles our system is founded on.

A perfect example of someone ignoring the principles this thread was founded on: "Every one of you likely did something outrageous at the age of 16 or 17'.

I never tried to forcible rape anyone at 16 or 17. Trying to blow this off as typical behavior for a teen boy is ridiculous.

Now that is true….

However, if there wasn’t police involvement…let me restate that….CONFIRMED police involvement meaning the authorities were called and he was questioned…I am not of the position that this is “forcible rape”.

And—this is for everyone on the left—save the “well his record was whitewashed” nonsense. The record is the record; as imperfect or imperfect as it may be. If you’re going to run that offense, then everything these jugheads said about Obama is in play; “records of his birth in nigeria were whitewashed” or whatever.

We have an eye witness: Christine Blasey Ford. The woman who was claims that she was attacked by Kavanaugh as a teenager, where he attempted to forcibly rape her.

And this is not a story she's made up for the confirmation hearings. But an experience she recounted in counselling in 2012, with third party documentation to prove it. With other witnesses confirming that she cited Kavanaugh as the person that attempted to rape her as a teenager.

Long before the hearings.

She should be heard.

Okay. But if you and I were having a fight today and then you become the nominee for Federal judge or Astronaut or whatever 35 years from today; if I don’t call the police and say you assaulted me today, I can’t claim it was an assault 35 years from now..can I?

What stinks more is that Kav was nominated on July 9. Where was this Allegation then?

As I understand he was on Trump’s list of judges the blob released before he even won the election. Where was the allegation then?

I’m not sure what job Kav holds now…still no allegation?

This stinks.

Fine, hear her but the Senators of both parties should be asking those questions I asked above. And please save the hooey about it taking her this long to muster the courage and all associated crapolla. If she thought it was an attack in 1983; she should have called the police in 1983. Its that simple.

She was 15, at an underage drinking party (one assumes unsupervised), so while I agree with you that her story smells funny, it's not at all surprising that she didn't tell any adults about it. Then SHE would have been in trouble too.
I've investigated lots of accusations and interviewed lots of nuts, and this is one where I would definitely be asking a whole lot more questions.

PS Have we heard from this Judge guy yet? The friend who apparently jumped on top of them, allowing her to escape?

Again, I don’t know much about the details…

But how Kav and the WH react is going to be telling. For their part, Hopefully they learned something from Roy Moore’s fiasco.

 

[Wyatt earp]

The same people trying to condemn 17 year old Kavanaugh for something that we have no proof actually happened make excuses for 17 year old Trayvon Margin beating the shit out of George Zimmerman.

Just sayin'.

Eye witness testimony is evidence. And we have a woman who was an eye witness: Christine Blasey Ford.

i'm pretty sure you can't act as your own witness. if we can then kavanaugh is innocent as we have (2) who say he didn't do it.

The accused is not required to be silent. He says it didn't happen. The third person says it didn't happen.

Nor is the accuser required to be silent. She can act as a witness of her own experiences. And she's expressed her willingness to testify before congress.

She should be heard.

Kavanaugh and Judge should be heard as well.

Lowering the bar some more.. and then you will cry wolf when the right retaliates like they did by impeaching Bill Clinton after Clarence Thomas, then you will cry wolf again after the right retaliates for Harry Reid using the nuclear option..


When will the left ever learn?



.

 

[candycorn]

I never did anything wrong at that age. Not with the parents I had.

My parents would have killed my ass.

Yeah, your outrageous stupidity has kicked in as an adult.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

I don't know anyone who is the same person today that they were as a teenager 30 or 40 years ago.
Having said that should YOUR life be upended over unsubstantiated accusations from your youth? Matters not if you are guilty or not. The accusation alone will likely end your career or make things very difficult for you.
Is this who we are now as a nation? Have we truly tossed the scales of justice out the window and replaced them with guilty until proven innocent?

Stay on topic if you can.

I never attempted to rape a girl at 16 or 17.

If attempted forcible rape is something that you consider perfectly normal for a teenager, is there something you want to tell us, Gramps?

See ^^^^^
A perfect example of someone ignoring the principles our system is founded on.

You don't understand that we have CRIMINAL statute of limitations for this reason, however just because a person is no longer criminal liable for those actions doesn't mean they are no longer immoral. At no point did I ever sexually assault a girl as a kid. The worst thing as a teenager may have been shoplifting a candy bar under peer pressure or going out to toilet paper houses and corn cars.

Awful convenient that this information comes out now, rather than when he was climbing the ranks of the judiciary, much less bringing it to light...I don't know....

WHEN IT FUCKING HAPPENED!!!!

The remoteness in time gives me confidence that this is 100% bullshit.

REAL victims don't sit on complaints for 30 years.

 

[Skylar]

She recounted the experience in couples therapy in 2012 in which she cites a 'prominant federal judge. She has the notes from that therapy session. She also has witnesses that she cited Kavanaugh specifically. Years before these hearings.

So what. If it wasn’t traumatic enough to warrant police involvement in 1983, I don’t think it is traumatic enough to warrant Senatorial consideration in 2018.

This wasn't something that was made up for the hearings. And 'its all political' doesn't work in 2012 when Kavanaugh was already a federal judge and there were no hearings.

Fair point.

Most sexual assaults go unreported. That hers was unreported is unremarkable.

It also makes the so-called assault unremarkable. Again whatever happened wasn’t serious enough to warrant involvement by the po po in 1983. Sorry but that is the litmus test.

That assumes that seriousness is what defines whether or not a woman contacts the police after a sexual assault. As many survivors of rape will tell you, its fear and shame that largely define that choice. Fear of not being believed or being attacked. And as this thread demonstrates elegantly, that's a well founded fear.

And the event was clearly serious enough for her that she was bringing it up in therapy decades after it occurred. Here's her account:


"While his friend watched, she said, Kavanaugh pinned her to a bed on her back and groped her over her clothes, grinding his body against hers and clumsily attempting to pull off her one-piece bathing suit and the clothing she wore over it. When she tried to scream, she said, he put his hand over her mouth.

“I thought he might inadvertently kill me,” said Ford, now a 51-year-old research psychologist in northern California. “He was trying to attack me and remove my clothing.”

Ford said she was able to escape when Kavanaugh’s friend and classmate at Georgetown Preparatory School, Mark Judge, jumped on top of them, sending all three tumbling. She said she ran from the room, briefly locked herself in a bathroom and then fled the house."


That sounds very serious. And she should have the opportunity to share her experience with Congress publicly. I also believe that both Kavanaugh and Judge should have the opportunity to share their version of events with Congress publicly.

 

[Pop23]

She recounted the experience in couples therapy in 2012 in which she cites a 'prominant federal judge. She has the notes from that therapy session. She also has witnesses that she cited Kavanaugh specifically. Years before these hearings.

So what. If it wasn’t traumatic enough to warrant police involvement in 1983, I don’t think it is traumatic enough to warrant Senatorial consideration in 2018.

This wasn't something that was made up for the hearings. And 'its all political' doesn't work in 2012 when Kavanaugh was already a federal judge and there were no hearings.

Fair point.

Most sexual assaults go unreported. That hers was unreported is unremarkable.

It also makes the so-called assault unremarkable. Again whatever happened wasn’t serious enough to warrant involvement by the po po in 1983. Sorry but that is the litmus test.

That assumes that seriousness is what defines whether or not a woman contacts the police after a sexual assault. As many survivors of rape will tell you, its fear and shame that largely define that choice. Fear of not being believed or being attacked. And as this thread demonstrates elegantly, that's a well founded fear.

And the event was clearly serious enough for her that she was bringing it up in therapy decades after it occurred. Here's her account:


"While his friend watched, she said, Kavanaugh pinned her to a bed on her back and groped her over her clothes, grinding his body against hers and clumsily attempting to pull off her one-piece bathing suit and the clothing she wore over it. When she tried to scream, she said, he put his hand over her mouth.

“I thought he might inadvertently kill me,” said Ford, now a 51-year-old research psychologist in northern California. “He was trying to attack me and remove my clothing.”

Ford said she was able to escape when Kavanaugh’s friend and classmate at Georgetown Preparatory School, Mark Judge, jumped on top of them, sending all three tumbling. She said she ran from the room, briefly locked herself in a bathroom and then fled the house."


That sounds very serious. And she should have the opportunity to share her experience with Congress publicly. I also believe that both Kavanaugh and Judge should have the opportunity to share their version of events with Congress publicly.

Why?

 

[irosie91]

she was actually RAPED? I thought he just groped and tore at her
a bit???? The devil is in the details

 

[Claudette]

I never did anything wrong at that age. Not with the parents I had.

My parents would have killed my ass.

Yeah, your outrageous stupidity has kicked in as an adult.

Well Cornholio your outrageous stupidity has been there since the day you were born, or issued.

 

[candycorn]

She recounted the experience in couples therapy in 2012 in which she cites a 'prominant federal judge. She has the notes from that therapy session. She also has witnesses that she cited Kavanaugh specifically. Years before these hearings.

So what. If it wasn’t traumatic enough to warrant police involvement in 1983, I don’t think it is traumatic enough to warrant Senatorial consideration in 2018.

This wasn't something that was made up for the hearings. And 'its all political' doesn't work in 2012 when Kavanaugh was already a federal judge and there were no hearings.

Fair point.

Most sexual assaults go unreported. That hers was unreported is unremarkable.

It also makes the so-called assault unremarkable. Again whatever happened wasn’t serious enough to warrant involvement by the po po in 1983. Sorry but that is the litmus test.

That assumes that seriousness is what defines whether or not a woman contacts the police after a sexual assault. As many survivors of rape will tell you, its fear and shame that largely define that choice. Fear of not being believed or being attacked. And as this thread demonstrates elegantly, that's a well founded fear.

And the event was clearly serious enough for her that she was bringing it up in therapy decades after it occurred. Here's her account:


"While his friend watched, she said, Kavanaugh pinned her to a bed on her back and groped her over her clothes, grinding his body against hers and clumsily attempting to pull off her one-piece bathing suit and the clothing she wore over it. When she tried to scream, she said, he put his hand over her mouth.

“I thought he might inadvertently kill me,” said Ford, now a 51-year-old research psychologist in northern California. “He was trying to attack me and remove my clothing.”

Ford said she was able to escape when Kavanaugh’s friend and classmate at Georgetown Preparatory School, Mark Judge, jumped on top of them, sending all three tumbling. She said she ran from the room, briefly locked herself in a bathroom and then fled the house."


That sounds very serious. And she should have the opportunity to share her experience with Congress publicly. I also believe that both Kavanaugh and Judge should have the opportunity to share their version of events with Congress publicly.

Again, I’m sorry but you don’t get to come back 35 years later of 35 months later or 35 weeks later and say something happened to you was much more serious than it was 35 minutes after it happened. Crime does not get more serious with age.

 

[Avatar4321]

She wont name a specific location because that could actually be corroborated and thus would bust her lie.

Says you, citing you. And you're nobody.

Meanwhile, she's willing to testify before congress on the matter.

She should be heard.

She should be heard. Then promptly charged with perjury

So your suggestion is to prosecute a woman for testifying about being attacked and sexually assaulted.

Good luck with that. See what happens to the already abysmal numbers the GOP has with women.

Hell Hillary Clinton tried to rape me when I was 12 years old in Park ridge illinois at a coke party, you don't see me bringing that up now do ya???

Again, she relayed the experience in therapy in 2012. She has the therapist's notes to prove it.

Why would she accuse Kavanaugh in 2012?

She didn’t.

The therapist notes don’t mention Kavanaugh. They mention four guys trying to rape her

 

[FJO]

See ^^^^^
A perfect example of someone ignoring the principles our system is founded on.

A perfect example of someone ignoring the principles this thread was founded on: "Every one of you likely did something outrageous at the age of 16 or 17'.

I never tried to forcible rape anyone at 16 or 17. Trying to blow this off as typical behavior for a teen boy is ridiculous.

Except no evidence shows anyone tried to forcibly rape anyone.

Even if he testimony is true, the best you have is he, while drunk, tried to hook up with a girl and got rejected and so stopped trying

Thats not what the accusation is, Mormon.

No. It’s what the evidence shows if you believe her.

Which we have no reason to since all the other parties involved denied this ever happened, she can’t name a time or the place it allegedly occurred. And she claims she was drinking so forgive us for using our brains, bigot

We have an eye witness that claims that Kavanaugh attempted to rape her as a teenager.

Kavanaugh denies it.

Claiming there is no evidence ignores eye witness testimony of the woman who alleges the rape. Which is absolutely evidence.

Obviously you have no idea what "eye witness" means.

 

[Claudette]

Says you, citing you. And you're nobody.

Meanwhile, she's willing to testify before congress on the matter.

She should be heard.

She should be heard. Then promptly charged with perjury

So your suggestion is to prosecute a woman for testifying about being attacked and sexually assaulted.

Good luck with that. See what happens to the already abysmal numbers the GOP has with women.

Hell Hillary Clinton tried to rape me when I was 12 years old in Park ridge illinois at a coke party, you don't see me bringing that up now do ya???

Again, she relayed the experience in therapy in 2012. She has the therapist's notes to prove it.

Why would she accuse Kavanaugh in 2012?

She didn’t.

The therapist notes don’t mention Kavanaugh. They mention four guys trying to rape her

Yup and if anyone bothered to read it they would have read the same thing.

 

[Skylar]

She recounted the experience in couples therapy in 2012 in which she cites a 'prominant federal judge. She has the notes from that therapy session. She also has witnesses that she cited Kavanaugh specifically. Years before these hearings.

So what. If it wasn’t traumatic enough to warrant police involvement in 1983, I don’t think it is traumatic enough to warrant Senatorial consideration in 2018.

This wasn't something that was made up for the hearings. And 'its all political' doesn't work in 2012 when Kavanaugh was already a federal judge and there were no hearings.

Fair point.

Most sexual assaults go unreported. That hers was unreported is unremarkable.

It also makes the so-called assault unremarkable. Again whatever happened wasn’t serious enough to warrant involvement by the po po in 1983. Sorry but that is the litmus test.

That assumes that seriousness is what defines whether or not a woman contacts the police after a sexual assault. As many survivors of rape will tell you, its fear and shame that largely define that choice. Fear of not being believed or being attacked. And as this thread demonstrates elegantly, that's a well founded fear.

And the event was clearly serious enough for her that she was bringing it up in therapy decades after it occurred. Here's her account:


"While his friend watched, she said, Kavanaugh pinned her to a bed on her back and groped her over her clothes, grinding his body against hers and clumsily attempting to pull off her one-piece bathing suit and the clothing she wore over it. When she tried to scream, she said, he put his hand over her mouth.

“I thought he might inadvertently kill me,” said Ford, now a 51-year-old research psychologist in northern California. “He was trying to attack me and remove my clothing.”

Ford said she was able to escape when Kavanaugh’s friend and classmate at Georgetown Preparatory School, Mark Judge, jumped on top of them, sending all three tumbling. She said she ran from the room, briefly locked herself in a bathroom and then fled the house."


That sounds very serious. And she should have the opportunity to share her experience with Congress publicly. I also believe that both Kavanaugh and Judge should have the opportunity to share their version of events with Congress publicly.

Again, I’m sorry but you don’t get to come back 35 years later of 35 months later or 35 weeks later and say something happened to you was much more serious than it was 35 minutes after it happened. Crime does not get more serious with age.

I agree that crime does not get more serious with age.

Nor does it get less serious. And an attempted forcible rape is serious in any time period.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

I assume this is about the SC nominee?

Is there a police report? Was there a LEO investigating it?

If not, I say there is no “there” there and acquiesce to the OP’s general point of it being a youthful indiscretion.

I’m much more troubled by the embargo on his record with the Bush administration than I am by this (at this time).

So you want to expose every communication that went on in the white house during the Bush years?
And here's the thing.
This info has nothing to do with Kavanaugh.
They werent his words or rulings.

"I worked in President Bush’s White House with three staff secretaries: Harriet Miers, Mr. Kavanaugh and Raul Yanes. In that position, they reviewed virtually every document the president saw and kept copies as required by the Presidential Records Act of 1978.


More important, the staff secretary was responsible for circulating documents to as many as a score of administration officials—drafts of memos, statements, speeches, schedules, briefing books, proclamations and scripts. The staff secretary would then serve as an impartial judge by reviewing and reconciling the comments on the documents. He would ensure that they were accurate, concise, clear, thorough and timely, giving the best possible expression to the views of the president’s advisers."

The entire professional record should be scrutinized. Embargoing portions of the record is done for one of two reasons; it’s either embarrassing or it’s national security. It certainly isn’t the latter.

Oh bullshit!
They have nothing to do with Kavanaugh.
Can you not read? He didnt write any of the info you clowns want during his tenure at the white house. It was all incoming and outgoing correspondence with the white house.

 

[AntonToo]

Every one of you likely did something outrageous at the age of 16 or 17.

Did everyone of us also lie to Congress about it?

 

[Skylar]

A perfect example of someone ignoring the principles this thread was founded on: "Every one of you likely did something outrageous at the age of 16 or 17'.

I never tried to forcible rape anyone at 16 or 17. Trying to blow this off as typical behavior for a teen boy is ridiculous.

Except no evidence shows anyone tried to forcibly rape anyone.

Even if he testimony is true, the best you have is he, while drunk, tried to hook up with a girl and got rejected and so stopped trying

Thats not what the accusation is, Mormon.

No. It’s what the evidence shows if you believe her.

Which we have no reason to since all the other parties involved denied this ever happened, she can’t name a time or the place it allegedly occurred. And she claims she was drinking so forgive us for using our brains, bigot

We have an eye witness that claims that Kavanaugh attempted to rape her as a teenager.

Kavanaugh denies it.

Claiming there is no evidence ignores eye witness testimony of the woman who alleges the rape. Which is absolutely evidence.

Obviously you have no idea what "eye witness" means.

Then explain why women testify in their own rape trials? An eye witness is merely anyone giving a first person account.

With Ford sharing her own experiences, first hand.

 

[irosie91]

She recounted the experience in couples therapy in 2012 in which she cites a 'prominant federal judge. She has the notes from that therapy session. She also has witnesses that she cited Kavanaugh specifically. Years before these hearings.

So what. If it wasn’t traumatic enough to warrant police involvement in 1983, I don’t think it is traumatic enough to warrant Senatorial consideration in 2018.

This wasn't something that was made up for the hearings. And 'its all political' doesn't work in 2012 when Kavanaugh was already a federal judge and there were no hearings.

Fair point.

Most sexual assaults go unreported. That hers was unreported is unremarkable.

It also makes the so-called assault unremarkable. Again whatever happened wasn’t serious enough to warrant involvement by the po po in 1983. Sorry but that is the litmus test.

That assumes that seriousness is what defines whether or not a woman contacts the police after a sexual assault. As many survivors of rape will tell you, its fear and shame that largely define that choice. Fear of not being believed or being attacked. And as this thread demonstrates elegantly, that's a well founded fear.

And the event was clearly serious enough for her that she was bringing it up in therapy decades after it occurred. Here's her account:


"While his friend watched, she said, Kavanaugh pinned her to a bed on her back and groped her over her clothes, grinding his body against hers and clumsily attempting to pull off her one-piece bathing suit and the clothing she wore over it. When she tried to scream, she said, he put his hand over her mouth.

“I thought he might inadvertently kill me,” said Ford, now a 51-year-old research psychologist in northern California. “He was trying to attack me and remove my clothing.”

Ford said she was able to escape when Kavanaugh’s friend and classmate at Georgetown Preparatory School, Mark Judge, jumped on top of them, sending all three tumbling. She said she ran from the room, briefly locked herself in a bathroom and then fled the house."


That sounds very serious. And she should have the opportunity to share her experience with Congress publicly. I also believe that both Kavanaugh and Judge should have the opportunity to share their version of events with Congress publicly.

It does not seem ALL THAT SERIOUS to me-------I do not believe that
her life was in danger.......two men against a girl--------if they WANTED TO
RAPE HER------they would have. The "mark judge jumped on them---
sending ALL THREE TUMBLING....." does not quite make sense to me----
she was "pinned on the bed and a ANOTHER GUY JUMPED ---on them ---
and AT THAT POINT she "got away" ----I would like to know what Mark Judge
has to say about it-------was he saving her or participating? He just "watched"
for a while and then decided to "JOIN" ? or "SAVE"? The story does not
make a whole lot of sense. ---------anyone have an erection?----exposed?
The whole thing could have been play (sorta) Who is Mark Judge?

 

[candycorn]

She recounted the experience in couples therapy in 2012 in which she cites a 'prominant federal judge. She has the notes from that therapy session. She also has witnesses that she cited Kavanaugh specifically. Years before these hearings.

So what. If it wasn’t traumatic enough to warrant police involvement in 1983, I don’t think it is traumatic enough to warrant Senatorial consideration in 2018.

This wasn't something that was made up for the hearings. And 'its all political' doesn't work in 2012 when Kavanaugh was already a federal judge and there were no hearings.

Fair point.

Most sexual assaults go unreported. That hers was unreported is unremarkable.

It also makes the so-called assault unremarkable. Again whatever happened wasn’t serious enough to warrant involvement by the po po in 1983. Sorry but that is the litmus test.

That assumes that seriousness is what defines whether or not a woman contacts the police after a sexual assault. As many survivors of rape will tell you, its fear and shame that largely define that choice. Fear of not being believed or being attacked. And as this thread demonstrates elegantly, that's a well founded fear.

And the event was clearly serious enough for her that she was bringing it up in therapy decades after it occurred. Here's her account:


"While his friend watched, she said, Kavanaugh pinned her to a bed on her back and groped her over her clothes, grinding his body against hers and clumsily attempting to pull off her one-piece bathing suit and the clothing she wore over it. When she tried to scream, she said, he put his hand over her mouth.

“I thought he might inadvertently kill me,” said Ford, now a 51-year-old research psychologist in northern California. “He was trying to attack me and remove my clothing.”

Ford said she was able to escape when Kavanaugh’s friend and classmate at Georgetown Preparatory School, Mark Judge, jumped on top of them, sending all three tumbling. She said she ran from the room, briefly locked herself in a bathroom and then fled the house."


That sounds very serious. And she should have the opportunity to share her experience with Congress publicly. I also believe that both Kavanaugh and Judge should have the opportunity to share their version of events with Congress publicly.

Again, I’m sorry but you don’t get to come back 35 years later of 35 months later or 35 weeks later and say something happened to you was much more serious than it was 35 minutes after it happened. Crime does not get more serious with age.

I agree that crime does not get more serious with age.

Nor does it get less serious. And an attempted forcible rape is serious in any time period.

ok

 

[candycorn]

I assume this is about the SC nominee?

Is there a police report? Was there a LEO investigating it?

If not, I say there is no “there” there and acquiesce to the OP’s general point of it being a youthful indiscretion.

I’m much more troubled by the embargo on his record with the Bush administration than I am by this (at this time).

So you want to expose every communication that went on in the white house during the Bush years?
And here's the thing.
This info has nothing to do with Kavanaugh.
They werent his words or rulings.

"I worked in President Bush’s White House with three staff secretaries: Harriet Miers, Mr. Kavanaugh and Raul Yanes. In that position, they reviewed virtually every document the president saw and kept copies as required by the Presidential Records Act of 1978.


More important, the staff secretary was responsible for circulating documents to as many as a score of administration officials—drafts of memos, statements, speeches, schedules, briefing books, proclamations and scripts. The staff secretary would then serve as an impartial judge by reviewing and reconciling the comments on the documents. He would ensure that they were accurate, concise, clear, thorough and timely, giving the best possible expression to the views of the president’s advisers."

The entire professional record should be scrutinized. Embargoing portions of the record is done for one of two reasons; it’s either embarrassing or it’s national security. It certainly isn’t the latter.

Oh bullshit!
They have nothing to do with Kavanaugh.
Can you not read? He didnt write any of the info you clowns want during his tenure at the white house. It was all incoming and outgoing correspondence with the white house.

The entire professional record should be scrutinized. If there is nothing to hide…hide nothing.

 

[Skylar]

She recounted the experience in couples therapy in 2012 in which she cites a 'prominant federal judge. She has the notes from that therapy session. She also has witnesses that she cited Kavanaugh specifically. Years before these hearings.

So what. If it wasn’t traumatic enough to warrant police involvement in 1983, I don’t think it is traumatic enough to warrant Senatorial consideration in 2018.

This wasn't something that was made up for the hearings. And 'its all political' doesn't work in 2012 when Kavanaugh was already a federal judge and there were no hearings.

Fair point.

Most sexual assaults go unreported. That hers was unreported is unremarkable.

It also makes the so-called assault unremarkable. Again whatever happened wasn’t serious enough to warrant involvement by the po po in 1983. Sorry but that is the litmus test.

That assumes that seriousness is what defines whether or not a woman contacts the police after a sexual assault. As many survivors of rape will tell you, its fear and shame that largely define that choice. Fear of not being believed or being attacked. And as this thread demonstrates elegantly, that's a well founded fear.

And the event was clearly serious enough for her that she was bringing it up in therapy decades after it occurred. Here's her account:


"While his friend watched, she said, Kavanaugh pinned her to a bed on her back and groped her over her clothes, grinding his body against hers and clumsily attempting to pull off her one-piece bathing suit and the clothing she wore over it. When she tried to scream, she said, he put his hand over her mouth.

“I thought he might inadvertently kill me,” said Ford, now a 51-year-old research psychologist in northern California. “He was trying to attack me and remove my clothing.”

Ford said she was able to escape when Kavanaugh’s friend and classmate at Georgetown Preparatory School, Mark Judge, jumped on top of them, sending all three tumbling. She said she ran from the room, briefly locked herself in a bathroom and then fled the house."


That sounds very serious. And she should have the opportunity to share her experience with Congress publicly. I also believe that both Kavanaugh and Judge should have the opportunity to share their version of events with Congress publicly.

It does not seem ALL THAT SERIOUS to me-------I do not believe that
her life was in danger.......two men against a girl--------if they WANTED TO
RAPE HER------they would have. The "mark judge jumped on them---
sending ALL THREE TUMBLING....." does not quite make sense to me----
she was "pinned on the bed and a ANOTHER GUY JUMPED ---on them ---
and AT THAT POINT she "got away" ----I would like to know what Mark Judge
has to say about it-------was he saving her or participating? He just "watched"
for a while and then decided to "JOIN" ? or "SAVE"? The story does not
make a whole lot of sense. ---------anyone have an erection?----exposed?
The whole thing could have been play (sorta) Who is Mark Judge?

The boys were stumbling drunk in account. And she managed to briefly escape to lock herself in a bathroom when the second boy jumped on top of both of them.

That account sounds plausible. And given that she shared it with her therapist in 2012, there's no plausible political motivation for her account.