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You have not studied WWII or post-war history then. We were in no position, physically or morally, to "help" the folks of the USSR. We are NOT the world's policeman despite what our far right neo-cons believe.The Cold War grew out of the end of WWII. Looking back I can see no evidence that FDR gave any thought to the post war balance of power. Presidents are supposed to think ahead.
That's insane.Do you know what you're doing?Between the time he took office, and the time he left office (the hard way)....
America went from ......... to .............
Fill in the blanks.
I would fill them in as follows.
America went from economic upheaval to being the strongest nation on Earth, ever.
Are you going to tell me he had nothing to do with that?
But let's take your complaints one by one.
Name a president that never lied to his wife or the American people. Did Regan not lie to the American people about Iran Contra? Nixon lie about Watergate?
What you call "throw-spaghetti-at-the-wall with economic programs" were economic programs that created infrastructure we still have today, and not for much longer if the Republicans refuse to allow the maintenance of it.
The 100,000 Japanese that were put in interment camps were not subject to extermination and starvation like the Jews were in concentration camps. In fact, before the war was over units of Japanese soldiers were recruited from the internment camps, and served with distinction in Italy. Resentments from those interned still exist for some today. I know, I live here in the Sacramento Valley where they cleared them all out in 1941, but you can't blame all of it happening on Roosevelt, and you can't blame him for not putting a stop to it when it happened. It's no different than how George Bush invaded Iraq on bad intelligence, except for the fact that 4000 Japanese didn't die because of what turned out to be a mistake.
Your "useful idiot to communist murderers' is both foundationless and irrational
Running for re election on a "He kept us out of war" theme, when he knew he wanted to get us into WWII, is a pretty big lie.
And his apparent lack of concern for the Post War balance of power is both founded and completely rational.
It seems he was completely focused on the short term, ie winning the war against the Nazi.
Which is sort of understandable. WWII, tens of thousands of Americans dying...
BUT...
He was President. Looking at the big picture and the long term was his job more than anyone else's.
He did seem to drop the ball on that one.
You keep harping on the Post War balance of power nonsense
Postwar, the US had.....
The strongest military and dominant Navy
The only untouched economy in the world
Massive production capability
The only atomic bomb
How much more in the balance of power did you want FDR to give you?
"Balance of Power nonsense"?
The soviet occupation of Eastern Europe, with it's huge army, that was only possible because of the manpower freed up by Lend Lease, led directly to the Cold War and generations of nuclear standoff.
If something had every gone wrong, it could have been the End of the World.
NOt to mention the Korean and Vietnamese Wars, and dozens of little proxy conflicts that destroyed whole nations.
What you are doing, is simply blaming every mistake FDR ever made, and any unintended negative consequence that came out of a global conflict, squarely on FDR...just exactly like the GOP does today with Obama. And why not, the same GOP strategy organizations came up with all these revisions of history, dictate the campaigns against Democrats today. What you're saying is not being said by historians or journalists, it's being contrived by political consultants with communications degrees hire by the GOP.
Look at what you wrote again.
You blamed Vietnam on FDR.
Vietnam played out the way it did because of French reluctance to admit their colonial claims to the region were not viable post war. Then Eisenhower, and then Kennedy.
The Cold War grew out of the end of WWII.
Looking back I can see no evidence that FDR gave any thought to the post war balance of power.
Presidents are supposed to think ahead.
"Balance of Power nonsense"?
The soviet occupation of Eastern Europe, with it's huge army, that was only possible because of the manpower freed up by Lend Lease, led directly to the Cold War and generations of nuclear standoff.
If something had every gone wrong, it could have been the End of the World.
NOt to mention the Korean and Vietnamese Wars, and dozens of little proxy conflicts that destroyed whole nations.
The Soviets occupied Eastern Europe because their armies conquered it. Removing them from that territory would have killed a million American soldiers
As it is, the Soviet empire crumbled without a shot
Looks like FDR was right again
DId FDR have any leverage over Stalin?
Yes
Allowing Stalin to do most of the fighting and dying
FDR had nothing to do with the Soviet Union being the biggest battle ground of WWII.
That was on STalin when he allied with Hitler to divide up Poland and gave himself a common border with Nazi Germany, a great idea that.
When the US entered the War, there were already millions of Nazi insider of the SU.
THere was never any danger of Germans actually attacking the United States physical territory.
THe US was able to produce and prepare for war in complete safety while the SU was moving factories to get them away from the Nazi advance.
The Soviets were the one who desperately needed aid so that they could drive genocidal invaders from their land.
THe US was the one in a position to help them tremendously. Or not.
This should have resulted in FDR having enormous leverage over Stalin.
Looking at history, I see no sign that FDR ever attempted to use that to the advantage of the US.Buuut.........ummmmmmmm..........Germany declared war on the United StatesTHere was never any danger of Germans actually attacking the United States physical territory
You have not studied WWII or post-war history then.The Cold War grew out of the end of WWII. Looking back I can see no evidence that FDR gave any thought to the post war balance of power. Presidents are supposed to think ahead.
Correll, you don't just get WWII history and its consequences; I suspect that is the case because you are a follower of far right subjective revisionism.
FDR was quite willing to let 60 Soviets die or be injured to every one of ours. Yeah, FDR had a heck of a lot of leverage through military aid and delaying the second front in Western Europe.
You have not studied WWII or post-war history then.The Cold War grew out of the end of WWII. Looking back I can see no evidence that FDR gave any thought to the post war balance of power. Presidents are supposed to think ahead.
Oh, so you are aware of actions he took to in to effect that Post War Balance of Power?
SO, share with us. What was the best one?
That alone staved off mass warfare in Europe after 1945.You have not studied WWII or post-war history then.The Cold War grew out of the end of WWII. Looking back I can see no evidence that FDR gave any thought to the post war balance of power. Presidents are supposed to think ahead.
Oh, so you are aware of actions he took to in to effect that Post War Balance of Power?
SO, share with us. What was the best one?
Atomic Bomb
That's insane.Do you know what you're doing?Running for re election on a "He kept us out of war" theme, when he knew he wanted to get us into WWII, is a pretty big lie.
And his apparent lack of concern for the Post War balance of power is both founded and completely rational.
It seems he was completely focused on the short term, ie winning the war against the Nazi.
Which is sort of understandable. WWII, tens of thousands of Americans dying...
BUT...
He was President. Looking at the big picture and the long term was his job more than anyone else's.
He did seem to drop the ball on that one.
You keep harping on the Post War balance of power nonsense
Postwar, the US had.....
The strongest military and dominant Navy
The only untouched economy in the world
Massive production capability
The only atomic bomb
How much more in the balance of power did you want FDR to give you?
"Balance of Power nonsense"?
The soviet occupation of Eastern Europe, with it's huge army, that was only possible because of the manpower freed up by Lend Lease, led directly to the Cold War and generations of nuclear standoff.
If something had every gone wrong, it could have been the End of the World.
NOt to mention the Korean and Vietnamese Wars, and dozens of little proxy conflicts that destroyed whole nations.
What you are doing, is simply blaming every mistake FDR ever made, and any unintended negative consequence that came out of a global conflict, squarely on FDR...just exactly like the GOP does today with Obama. And why not, the same GOP strategy organizations came up with all these revisions of history, dictate the campaigns against Democrats today. What you're saying is not being said by historians or journalists, it's being contrived by political consultants with communications degrees hire by the GOP.
Look at what you wrote again.
You blamed Vietnam on FDR.
Vietnam played out the way it did because of French reluctance to admit their colonial claims to the region were not viable post war. Then Eisenhower, and then Kennedy.
The Cold War grew out of the end of WWII.
Looking back I can see no evidence that FDR gave any thought to the post war balance of power.
Presidents are supposed to think ahead.
One word.............Yalta
The Avalon Project Yalta Crimea Conference
Correll, you don't just get WWII history and its consequences; I suspect that is the case because you are a follower of far right subjective revisionism.
FDR was quite willing to let 60 Soviets die or be injured to every one of ours. Yeah, FDR had a heck of a lot of leverage through military aid and delaying the second front in Western Europe.
When the Germans surrendered, and we met Russian troops on the Elbe River, FDR was dead.The Soviets occupied Eastern Europe because their armies conquered it. Removing them from that territory would have killed a million American soldiers
As it is, the Soviet empire crumbled without a shot
Looks like FDR was right again
DId FDR have any leverage over Stalin?
Yes
Allowing Stalin to do most of the fighting and dying
FDR had nothing to do with the Soviet Union being the biggest battle ground of WWII.
That was on STalin when he allied with Hitler to divide up Poland and gave himself a common border with Nazi Germany, a great idea that.
When the US entered the War, there were already millions of Nazi insider of the SU.
THere was never any danger of Germans actually attacking the United States physical territory.
THe US was able to produce and prepare for war in complete safety while the SU was moving factories to get them away from the Nazi advance.
The Soviets were the one who desperately needed aid so that they could drive genocidal invaders from their land.
THe US was the one in a position to help them tremendously. Or not.
This should have resulted in FDR having enormous leverage over Stalin.
Looking at history, I see no sign that FDR ever attempted to use that to the advantage of the US.
THe US was the one in a position to help them tremendously. Or not.
This should have resulted in FDR having enormous leverage over Stalin.
Looking at history, I see no sign that FDR ever attempted to use that to the advantage of the US.
That is an advantage? Allowing Hitler to win on the Eastern Front?
Leverage. I said leverage.
The Soviets were the ones in direct trouble with millions of genocidal invaders in their homeland killing their people.
The Americans were the ones who were in a position to help them.
This should have resulted in FDR having enormous leverage over Stalin.
Looking at history I see no sign that FDR ever attempted to use that to the advantage of the US.
I work for a living so I gotta go.That's insane.Do you know what you're doing?You keep harping on the Post War balance of power nonsense
Postwar, the US had.....
The strongest military and dominant Navy
The only untouched economy in the world
Massive production capability
The only atomic bomb
How much more in the balance of power did you want FDR to give you?
"Balance of Power nonsense"?
The soviet occupation of Eastern Europe, with it's huge army, that was only possible because of the manpower freed up by Lend Lease, led directly to the Cold War and generations of nuclear standoff.
If something had every gone wrong, it could have been the End of the World.
NOt to mention the Korean and Vietnamese Wars, and dozens of little proxy conflicts that destroyed whole nations.
What you are doing, is simply blaming every mistake FDR ever made, and any unintended negative consequence that came out of a global conflict, squarely on FDR...just exactly like the GOP does today with Obama. And why not, the same GOP strategy organizations came up with all these revisions of history, dictate the campaigns against Democrats today. What you're saying is not being said by historians or journalists, it's being contrived by political consultants with communications degrees hire by the GOP.
Look at what you wrote again.
You blamed Vietnam on FDR.
Vietnam played out the way it did because of French reluctance to admit their colonial claims to the region were not viable post war. Then Eisenhower, and then Kennedy.
The Cold War grew out of the end of WWII.
Looking back I can see no evidence that FDR gave any thought to the post war balance of power.
Presidents are supposed to think ahead.
One word.............Yalta
The Avalon Project Yalta Crimea Conference
Yes. Insane.
"The establishment of order in Europe and the rebuilding of national economic life must be achieved by processes which will enable the liberated peoples to destroy the last vestiges of nazism and fascism and to create democratic institutions of their own choice. This is a principle of the Atlantic Charter - the right of all people to choose the form of government under which they will live - the restoration of sovereign rights and self-government to those peoples who have been forcibly deprived to them by the aggressor nations.
To foster the conditions in which the liberated people may exercise these rights, the three governments will jointly assist the people in any European liberated state or former Axis state in Europe where, in their judgment conditions require,
(a) to establish conditions of internal peace;
(b) to carry out emergency relief measures for the relief of distressed peoples;
(c) to form interim governmental authorities broadly representative of all democratic elements in the population and pledged to the earliest possible establishment through free elections of Governments responsive to the will of the people; and
(d) to facilitate where necessary the holding of such elections."
That was the extent of FDR's use of leverage.
He exacted from Stalin a promise to hold free elections in Eastern Europe...
How did that work out?
We sent fuel and trains, and food and trucks and opened a second front and refused to negotiate a surrender and Stalin made a promise that only a retard child would have believed.
You have not studied WWII or post-war history then.The Cold War grew out of the end of WWII. Looking back I can see no evidence that FDR gave any thought to the post war balance of power. Presidents are supposed to think ahead.
Oh, so you are aware of actions he took to in to effect that Post War Balance of Power?
SO, share with us. What was the best one?
Atomic Bomb
When the Germans surrendered, and we met Russian troops on the Elbe River, FDR was dead.DId FDR have any leverage over Stalin?
Yes
Allowing Stalin to do most of the fighting and dying
FDR had nothing to do with the Soviet Union being the biggest battle ground of WWII.
That was on STalin when he allied with Hitler to divide up Poland and gave himself a common border with Nazi Germany, a great idea that.
When the US entered the War, there were already millions of Nazi insider of the SU.
THere was never any danger of Germans actually attacking the United States physical territory.
THe US was able to produce and prepare for war in complete safety while the SU was moving factories to get them away from the Nazi advance.
The Soviets were the one who desperately needed aid so that they could drive genocidal invaders from their land.
THe US was the one in a position to help them tremendously. Or not.
This should have resulted in FDR having enormous leverage over Stalin.
Looking at history, I see no sign that FDR ever attempted to use that to the advantage of the US.
THe US was the one in a position to help them tremendously. Or not.
This should have resulted in FDR having enormous leverage over Stalin.
Looking at history, I see no sign that FDR ever attempted to use that to the advantage of the US.
That is an advantage? Allowing Hitler to win on the Eastern Front?
Leverage. I said leverage.
The Soviets were the ones in direct trouble with millions of genocidal invaders in their homeland killing their people.
The Americans were the ones who were in a position to help them.
This should have resulted in FDR having enormous leverage over Stalin.
Looking at history I see no sign that FDR ever attempted to use that to the advantage of the US.
It was the carving up of Europe, and the Nuremberg trials that got Stalin's dander up. American intelligence and the diplomatic corp had little time to devote to policing Stalin's horrific human rights record during the final days of the war.
In post war Europe, the Americans were demobilizing, and heading out as quick as they could to continue fighting the Japanese on the opposite side of the world. What kind of moron would have stayed to fight a country that just took a great deal of heat off of the UK, France, and the USA? When you understand the period, it becomes painfully simple how unfounded your observations are
The Soviets occupied Eastern Europe because their armies conquered it. Removing them from that territory would have killed a million American soldiers
As it is, the Soviet empire crumbled without a shot
Looks like FDR was right again
DId FDR have any leverage over Stalin?
Yes
Allowing Stalin to do most of the fighting and dying
FDR had nothing to do with the Soviet Union being the biggest battle ground of WWII.
That was on STalin when he allied with Hitler to divide up Poland and gave himself a common border with Nazi Germany, a great idea that.
When the US entered the War, there were already millions of Nazi insider of the SU.
THere was never any danger of Germans actually attacking the United States physical territory.
THe US was able to produce and prepare for war in complete safety while the SU was moving factories to get them away from the Nazi advance.
The Soviets were the one who desperately needed aid so that they could drive genocidal invaders from their land.
THe US was the one in a position to help them tremendously. Or not.
This should have resulted in FDR having enormous leverage over Stalin.
Looking at history, I see no sign that FDR ever attempted to use that to the advantage of the US.
THe US was the one in a position to help them tremendously. Or not.
This should have resulted in FDR having enormous leverage over Stalin.
Looking at history, I see no sign that FDR ever attempted to use that to the advantage of the US.
That is an advantage? Allowing Hitler to win on the Eastern Front?
Leverage. I said leverage.
The Soviets were the ones in direct trouble with millions of genocidal invaders in their homeland killing their people.
The Americans were the ones who were in a position to help them.
This should have resulted in FDR having enormous leverage over Stalin.
Looking at history I see no sign that FDR ever attempted to use that to the advantage of the US.
I work for a living so I gotta go.That's insane.Do you know what you're doing?"Balance of Power nonsense"?
The soviet occupation of Eastern Europe, with it's huge army, that was only possible because of the manpower freed up by Lend Lease, led directly to the Cold War and generations of nuclear standoff.
If something had every gone wrong, it could have been the End of the World.
NOt to mention the Korean and Vietnamese Wars, and dozens of little proxy conflicts that destroyed whole nations.
What you are doing, is simply blaming every mistake FDR ever made, and any unintended negative consequence that came out of a global conflict, squarely on FDR...just exactly like the GOP does today with Obama. And why not, the same GOP strategy organizations came up with all these revisions of history, dictate the campaigns against Democrats today. What you're saying is not being said by historians or journalists, it's being contrived by political consultants with communications degrees hire by the GOP.
Look at what you wrote again.
You blamed Vietnam on FDR.
Vietnam played out the way it did because of French reluctance to admit their colonial claims to the region were not viable post war. Then Eisenhower, and then Kennedy.
The Cold War grew out of the end of WWII.
Looking back I can see no evidence that FDR gave any thought to the post war balance of power.
Presidents are supposed to think ahead.
One word.............Yalta
The Avalon Project Yalta Crimea Conference
Yes. Insane.
"The establishment of order in Europe and the rebuilding of national economic life must be achieved by processes which will enable the liberated peoples to destroy the last vestiges of nazism and fascism and to create democratic institutions of their own choice. This is a principle of the Atlantic Charter - the right of all people to choose the form of government under which they will live - the restoration of sovereign rights and self-government to those peoples who have been forcibly deprived to them by the aggressor nations.
To foster the conditions in which the liberated people may exercise these rights, the three governments will jointly assist the people in any European liberated state or former Axis state in Europe where, in their judgment conditions require,
(a) to establish conditions of internal peace;
(b) to carry out emergency relief measures for the relief of distressed peoples;
(c) to form interim governmental authorities broadly representative of all democratic elements in the population and pledged to the earliest possible establishment through free elections of Governments responsive to the will of the people; and
(d) to facilitate where necessary the holding of such elections."
That was the extent of FDR's use of leverage.
He exacted from Stalin a promise to hold free elections in Eastern Europe...
How did that work out?
We sent fuel and trains, and food and trucks and opened a second front and refused to negotiate a surrender and Stalin made a promise that only a retard child would have believed.
As far as this argument goes, you're clinging to the last shred of the last palm tree in a typhoon.
But thanks for participating, and doing so without getting impolite
You have not studied WWII or post-war history then.The Cold War grew out of the end of WWII. Looking back I can see no evidence that FDR gave any thought to the post war balance of power. Presidents are supposed to think ahead.
Oh, so you are aware of actions he took to in to effect that Post War Balance of Power?
SO, share with us. What was the best one?
Atomic Bomb
The US monopoly on the Bomb lasted FOUR YEARS.
Are you suggesting we should have gone to war with the USSR? Yes or no.The US monopoly on the Bomb lasted FOUR YEARS.
DId FDR have any leverage over Stalin?
Yes
Allowing Stalin to do most of the fighting and dying
FDR had nothing to do with the Soviet Union being the biggest battle ground of WWII.
That was on STalin when he allied with Hitler to divide up Poland and gave himself a common border with Nazi Germany, a great idea that.
When the US entered the War, there were already millions of Nazi insider of the SU.
THere was never any danger of Germans actually attacking the United States physical territory.
THe US was able to produce and prepare for war in complete safety while the SU was moving factories to get them away from the Nazi advance.
The Soviets were the one who desperately needed aid so that they could drive genocidal invaders from their land.
THe US was the one in a position to help them tremendously. Or not.
This should have resulted in FDR having enormous leverage over Stalin.
Looking at history, I see no sign that FDR ever attempted to use that to the advantage of the US.
THe US was the one in a position to help them tremendously. Or not.
This should have resulted in FDR having enormous leverage over Stalin.
Looking at history, I see no sign that FDR ever attempted to use that to the advantage of the US.
That is an advantage? Allowing Hitler to win on the Eastern Front?
Leverage. I said leverage.
The Soviets were the ones in direct trouble with millions of genocidal invaders in their homeland killing their people.
The Americans were the ones who were in a position to help them.
This should have resulted in FDR having enormous leverage over Stalin.
Looking at history I see no sign that FDR ever attempted to use that to the advantage of the US.
Again you and PC don't understand leverage
FDR could have given them needed supplies or not. Denying supplies could have led to a Nazi victory....it was very close early in the war
What "leverage" did FDR have with lend/lease?
OK Joe, I'll give you $10 billion in supplies if you single handedly fight Hitler while I wait until the right time to invade...maybe two/ three years from now
But there are some conditions.You have to pay back the $10 billion and then surrender all the territory you gained and move back to your previous borders
Deal?
You have not studied WWII or post-war history then.The Cold War grew out of the end of WWII. Looking back I can see no evidence that FDR gave any thought to the post war balance of power. Presidents are supposed to think ahead.
Oh, so you are aware of actions he took to in to effect that Post War Balance of Power?
SO, share with us. What was the best one?
Atomic Bomb
The US monopoly on the Bomb lasted FOUR YEARS.
What does that have to do with FDR? He was dead
Are you suggesting we should have gone to war with the USSR? Yes or no.The US monopoly on the Bomb lasted FOUR YEARS.
