Explaining Conservatives

[occupied]

I find it laughable that people who are not conservatives are trying to define them.

The first big mistake (as is always the case when talking about a group such as conservatives or liberals) is to assume they all think the same.

I make no apologies for being a conservative.

And I certainly don't find anything that has been stated here to be very close to what I am.

They are also very bad at taking a good hard critical look at themselves and their beliefs preferring to hold tight to treasured misconceptions long after they are proven inaccurate. True story.

Just another way of saying that because we don't agree with you (and your circuit breakers start to blow), you need to blither out your alternate reality to convince yourself it is a "true story".

Did you miss this from the OP ?

5. One more difference: insight- found more in the conservative camp than in the Liberal.
There was actually a study by Jonathan Haidt, a social psychologist at the University of Virginia who, until 2009, considered himself a partisan liberal.

"In “The Righteous Mind,” Haidt seeks to enrich liberalism, and political discourse generally, with a deeper awareness of human nature.
The hardest part, Haidt finds, is getting liberals to open their minds. Anecdotally, he reports that when he talks about authority, loyalty and sanctity, many people in the audience spurn these ideas as the seeds of racism, sexism and homophobia. And in a survey of 2,000 Americans, Haidt found that self-described liberals, especially those who called themselves “very liberal,” were worse at predicting the moral judgments of moderates and conservatives than moderates and conservatives were at predicting the moral judgments of liberals.

Liberals don’t understand conservative values. And they can’t recognize this failing, because they’re so convinced of their rationality, open-mindedness and enlightenment."
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/25/bo...anted=all&_r=0

What do you think this proves? Have you ever, even once, asked yourself why you believe what you do? Do you think respecting authority is a good thing? Do you think loyalty to the said authority figures earns you their respect? Do you think sanctity means anything other than towing the line to some religious dogma? All these things makes you thoughtlessly controllable. If that's a conservative value then I am glad I do not share it. All this says is that you only accept "truth" when it comes from certain mouths and you do it without question. Question EVERYTHING that comes from your leaders or be nothing more than a faceless follower.

 

[Listening]

They are also very bad at taking a good hard critical look at themselves and their beliefs preferring to hold tight to treasured misconceptions long after they are proven inaccurate. True story.

Just another way of saying that because we don't agree with you (and your circuit breakers start to blow), you need to blither out your alternate reality to convince yourself it is a "true story".

Did you miss this from the OP ?

5. One more difference: insight- found more in the conservative camp than in the Liberal.
There was actually a study by Jonathan Haidt, a social psychologist at the University of Virginia who, until 2009, considered himself a partisan liberal.

"In “The Righteous Mind,” Haidt seeks to enrich liberalism, and political discourse generally, with a deeper awareness of human nature.
The hardest part, Haidt finds, is getting liberals to open their minds. Anecdotally, he reports that when he talks about authority, loyalty and sanctity, many people in the audience spurn these ideas as the seeds of racism, sexism and homophobia. And in a survey of 2,000 Americans, Haidt found that self-described liberals, especially those who called themselves “very liberal,” were worse at predicting the moral judgments of moderates and conservatives than moderates and conservatives were at predicting the moral judgments of liberals.

Liberals don’t understand conservative values. And they can’t recognize this failing, because they’re so convinced of their rationality, open-mindedness and enlightenment."
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/25/bo...anted=all&_r=0

What do you think this proves? Have you ever, even once, asked yourself why you believe what you do? Do you think respecting authority is a good thing? Do you think loyalty to the said authority figures earns you their respect? Do you think sanctity means anything other than towing the line to some religious dogma? All these things makes you thoughtlessly controllable. If that's a conservative value then I am glad I do not share it. All this says is that you only accept "truth" when it comes from certain mouths and you do it without question. Question EVERYTHING that comes from your leaders or be nothing more than a faceless follower.

You know what I believe ?

 

[occupied]

Just another way of saying that because we don't agree with you (and your circuit breakers start to blow), you need to blither out your alternate reality to convince yourself it is a "true story".

Did you miss this from the OP ?

5. One more difference: insight- found more in the conservative camp than in the Liberal.
There was actually a study by Jonathan Haidt, a social psychologist at the University of Virginia who, until 2009, considered himself a partisan liberal.

"In “The Righteous Mind,” Haidt seeks to enrich liberalism, and political discourse generally, with a deeper awareness of human nature.
The hardest part, Haidt finds, is getting liberals to open their minds. Anecdotally, he reports that when he talks about authority, loyalty and sanctity, many people in the audience spurn these ideas as the seeds of racism, sexism and homophobia. And in a survey of 2,000 Americans, Haidt found that self-described liberals, especially those who called themselves “very liberal,” were worse at predicting the moral judgments of moderates and conservatives than moderates and conservatives were at predicting the moral judgments of liberals.

Liberals don’t understand conservative values. And they can’t recognize this failing, because they’re so convinced of their rationality, open-mindedness and enlightenment."
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/25/bo...anted=all&_r=0

What do you think this proves? Have you ever, even once, asked yourself why you believe what you do? Do you think respecting authority is a good thing? Do you think loyalty to the said authority figures earns you their respect? Do you think sanctity means anything other than towing the line to some religious dogma? All these things makes you thoughtlessly controllable. If that's a conservative value then I am glad I do not share it. All this says is that you only accept "truth" when it comes from certain mouths and you do it without question. Question EVERYTHING that comes from your leaders or be nothing more than a faceless follower.

You know what I believe ?

If that paragraph does not reflect your beliefs then why did you repost it? I took it mean that you think liberals lack a certain respect for authority and sanctity and are disloyal. Was I incorrect? What is it about these values that you value so much that you must preach them to a heathen like myself?

 

[candycorn]

And, this responds exactly how to the OP, Ms Truthmatters....?

Ooop! So sorry....I do get you two confused due to the similarity in presentations.

Many here predicted a Romney landslide.

I did, too.

Seems I gave the electorate far too much credit.

Events have proven that the prediction should have been the reality.

"Many here" realize that now, too late.




Hard to believe that the median family income actually went down more during the "Obama Recovery" than during the recession.

"...median annual household income in America has fallen by 4.4 percent during the "recovery," after having fallen by 1.8 during the recession."
Incomes Have Dropped Twice as Much During the 'Recovery' as During the Recession | The Weekly Standard

Wow!
Just wow.





Except for the real dopes who still crow over the election....
Raise your paw.

332-206

sucks to be you...

 

[candycorn]

Many here predicted a Romney landslide.

I did, too.

Seems I gave the electorate far too much credit.
........

Is that the same thing as just being plain fucking wrong? Bahahahhaa.....You didn't give anybody credit except Karl Rove, who TOLD you Romney was going to win.

Save the SuperWoman suit though....there's always Halloween.

Rove predicts Romney victory with at least 279 Electoral College votes | TheHill

good post.

 

[candycorn]

Just another way of saying that because we don't agree with you (and your circuit breakers start to blow), you need to blither out your alternate reality to convince yourself it is a "true story".

Did you miss this from the OP ?

5. One more difference: insight- found more in the conservative camp than in the Liberal.
There was actually a study by Jonathan Haidt, a social psychologist at the University of Virginia who, until 2009, considered himself a partisan liberal.

"In “The Righteous Mind,” Haidt seeks to enrich liberalism, and political discourse generally, with a deeper awareness of human nature.
The hardest part, Haidt finds, is getting liberals to open their minds. Anecdotally, he reports that when he talks about authority, loyalty and sanctity, many people in the audience spurn these ideas as the seeds of racism, sexism and homophobia. And in a survey of 2,000 Americans, Haidt found that self-described liberals, especially those who called themselves “very liberal,” were worse at predicting the moral judgments of moderates and conservatives than moderates and conservatives were at predicting the moral judgments of liberals.

Liberals don’t understand conservative values. And they can’t recognize this failing, because they’re so convinced of their rationality, open-mindedness and enlightenment."
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/25/bo...anted=all&_r=0

What do you think this proves? Have you ever, even once, asked yourself why you believe what you do? Do you think respecting authority is a good thing? Do you think loyalty to the said authority figures earns you their respect? Do you think sanctity means anything other than towing the line to some religious dogma? All these things makes you thoughtlessly controllable. If that's a conservative value then I am glad I do not share it. All this says is that you only accept "truth" when it comes from certain mouths and you do it without question. Question EVERYTHING that comes from your leaders or be nothing more than a faceless follower.

You know what I believe ?

Yeah...that words mean nothing....like your welching on a bet to leave the board.

 

[candycorn]

332-206....Romney didnt even make a concession speech...so much for knowing anything.

And, this responds exactly how to the OP, Ms Truthmatters....?

Ooop! So sorry....I do get you two confused due to the similarity in presentations.

You have to realize PC - myself and others have so thoroughly defeated CC with facts, she simply has nothing left to stand on other than obnoxiously posting the same electoral college results over and over. If you really want to piss her off, point out that the president is not a dictator but rather a lowly servant with limited powers and then add the results of the elections in Congress (man does that cause her to lose her simple little fuck'n mind).

332-206, earned it.

 

[Listening]

What do you think this proves? Have you ever, even once, asked yourself why you believe what you do? Do you think respecting authority is a good thing? Do you think loyalty to the said authority figures earns you their respect? Do you think sanctity means anything other than towing the line to some religious dogma? All these things makes you thoughtlessly controllable. If that's a conservative value then I am glad I do not share it. All this says is that you only accept "truth" when it comes from certain mouths and you do it without question. Question EVERYTHING that comes from your leaders or be nothing more than a faceless follower.

You know what I believe ?

If that paragraph does not reflect your beliefs then why did you repost it? I took it mean that you think liberals lack a certain respect for authority and sanctity and are disloyal. Was I incorrect? What is it about these values that you value so much that you must preach them to a heathen like myself?

Did you notice the part about it being tough to get liberals to open their minds ? What you took it to mean only suggests that you don't really question. You simply take what fits the meme in your mind and run with it. And in the process you make up stuff to argue against.

Religious dogma....and yet another conclusion for the argument.

This is too too too funny.

 

[1776]

xxxxxxx

 

[candycorn]

How do we judge the nature of strangers, or those we know only in passing?

Simply by assuming them to be most like the individual we know the best. That is the measuring stick we use to estimate.
Hence, the old saying 'we can only judge others by ourselves.'

What would we do in similar circumstances, how would we act, what would we say?
That's human nature.




1. I find this most explicative when one on the other side of the political divide calls the other a liar.
I don't lie. But I have found that those who do so regularly are the quickest to jump to this accusation.

Nor is it a surprise to find that those on the Left, the Liberal folks, are the fastest on the draw in this respect.





2. Another character difference between the two political persuasions is individualism. It is one of the cornerstones of conservatism, and the 'sotto voce' of America's founding documents. We want to make our own decisions.

The other side seems to feel that we lack the capability, and they should do this for us. That's why Liberal folks leap to ban things that they don't like, and use judicial decree to overturn voter's opinions.

And that goes right back to judging others by ourselves.
Liberals must feel that they need experts to 'advise' them what the right things to do are.
When Liberals hear the words ‘studies show,’ or ‘experts say,’ they cease to ‘question authority.’





3. And speaking of judging others by oneself, it seems to me a constant calumny by Liberals that Rush Limbaugh and Fox News tell right-wingers, and conservatives what to think....but I never hear conservatives claiming that those on the Left are 'programmed' by the ubiquitous variations on MSNBC or the NYTimes that echo throughout our secular society.
Why is that?

Kinda sounds like the Left is trying to prevent the reality from becoming broadcast....i.e., they are the ones who march lock-step, following orders.





4. Another difference is preparation, knowledge,...or perhaps that related to item #3.
Conservatives know more about what's going on....in fact, if Liberals knew as many of the ingredients in a story as conservatives do, they'd probably be conservatives. Instead, when they're told things they didn't know, they shout "liar!"

Examples? Sure....

a. "Stephanopoulos appeared on The Sean Hannity Show and New York radio station WOR's The Steve Malzberg Show, where both Hannity and Malzberg suggested to Stephanopoulos that he ask Obama about Ayers."
Right-wing radio hosts suggested "damn good" Ayers question to Stephanopoulos day before Dem debate | Research | Media Matters for America
He didn't know about Ayers!!

b. CBS's Bob Schieffer on Sunday said the reason he didn't ask Attorney General Eric Holder about the New Black Panther Party voter intimidation case on last week's "Face the Nation" was because he didn't know about it.
Chatting with Howard Kurtz on CNN's "Reliable Sources," Schieffer said, "This all really became a story when the whistleblower came out and testified that he'd had to leave the Justice Department and so on. And, frankly, had I known about that, I would have asked the question."
His excuse?
"I was on vacation that week. This happened -- apparently, it got very little publicity. And, you know, I just didn't know about it" (video follows with transcript and commentary):
Bob Schieffer: What Black Panther Story? 'I Was on Vacation' - Fox Nation

c. Several Chicago readers and Twitterers report that ABC News anchor Charlie Gibson told WLS-AM Chicago talk show hosts Don Wade and Roma this morning that the reason he hasn’t covered the ACORN scandal is that he didn’t know about it.

“…Charlie Gibson on as their usual Tuesday morning guest. Don asked Charlie, why, after the senate last night voted to halt funding to ACORN and after three of those video tapes of ACORN employees helping the pimp and prostitute set up shop, there was no mention of it anywhere on the network news. Charlie gave out a most uncomfortable laugh and said that that was the first he heard of it!”
ABC’s Jake Tapper reported on the Census Bureau’s decision to drop ACORN from its data collection partnerships on Friday as a result of BigGovernment.com’s video stings.
Gibson also admitted to Don and Roma that he didn’t know about the Senate vote to de-fund ACORN.
Michelle Malkin | ACORN Watch: Charlie Gibson and the ostrich media; Update: Audio added «

Maybe the difference is just plain ol' laziness.





5. One more difference: insight- found more in the conservative camp than in the Liberal.
There was actually a study by Jonathan Haidt, a social psychologist at the University of Virginia who, until 2009, considered himself a partisan liberal.

"In “The Righteous Mind,” Haidt seeks to enrich liberalism, and political discourse generally, with a deeper awareness of human nature.
The hardest part, Haidt finds, is getting liberals to open their minds. Anecdotally, he reports that when he talks about authority, loyalty and sanctity, many people in the audience spurn these ideas as the seeds of racism, sexism and homophobia. And in a survey of 2,000 Americans, Haidt found that self-described liberals, especially those who called themselves “very liberal,” were worse at predicting the moral judgments of moderates and conservatives than moderates and conservatives were at predicting the moral judgments of liberals.

Liberals don’t understand conservative values. And they can’t recognize this failing, because they’re so convinced of their rationality, open-mindedness and enlightenment."
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/25/bo...anted=all&_r=0








Sadly, it is much easier in our milieu to be a Liberal than a conservative, and perhaps because there are so many more of 'em, it even takes an extra dollop of courage to be a conservative...

And....in judging others by ourselves....
.... we end up being governed by ineptitude personified.

332-206....Romney didnt even make a concession speech...so much for knowing anything.

Transcript of Mitt Romneys concession speech here:

4http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/mitt-romneys-concession-speech-transcript/story?id=17664448

So much for knowing anything!

my. bad...he didnt prepare a concession speech because he just knew he was going to win....they had to look up Bush I 's.

 

[occupied]

You know what I believe ?

If that paragraph does not reflect your beliefs then why did you repost it? I took it mean that you think liberals lack a certain respect for authority and sanctity and are disloyal. Was I incorrect? What is it about these values that you value so much that you must preach them to a heathen like myself?

Did you notice the part about it being tough to get liberals to open their minds ? What you took it to mean only suggests that you don't really question. You simply take what fits the meme in your mind and run with it. And in the process you make up stuff to argue against.

Religious dogma....and yet another conclusion for the argument.

This is too too too funny.

I have an open mind but it is also a highly critical mind, things have to pass the bullshit test to take root. With the internet being chock full of nuts selling everything from bigfoot to chemtrails to Obama's Kenyan birth a truly open mind is not good thing. What you call a closed mind is really just a high bar I set for what I choose to believe and what gets left on the junk pile along with such gems as death panels and FEMA camps.

 

[Listening]

If that paragraph does not reflect your beliefs then why did you repost it? I took it mean that you think liberals lack a certain respect for authority and sanctity and are disloyal. Was I incorrect? What is it about these values that you value so much that you must preach them to a heathen like myself?

Did you notice the part about it being tough to get liberals to open their minds ? What you took it to mean only suggests that you don't really question. You simply take what fits the meme in your mind and run with it. And in the process you make up stuff to argue against.

Religious dogma....and yet another conclusion for the argument.

This is too too too funny.

I have an open mind but it is also a highly critical mind, things have to pass the bullshit test to take root. With the internet being chock full of nuts selling everything from bigfoot to chemtrails to Obama's Kenyan birth a truly open mind is not good thing. What you call a closed mind is really just a high bar I set for what I choose to believe and what gets left on the junk pile along with such gems as death panels and FEMA camps.

Somebody else called it a closed mind, not me. I simply pointed it out as it appears that most of the silly statements people are making about conservatives seem to include a reference to a closed mind.

As to the rest, who gives a crap. If you really think those things are what most conservatives care about....you must have some proof (as in comprehensive surveys) or you know a different type of conservative than I do.

 

[PoliticalChic]

332-206....Romney didnt even make a concession speech...so much for knowing anything.

Transcript of Mitt Romneys concession speech here:

4http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/mitt-romneys-concession-speech-transcript/story?id=17664448

So much for knowing anything!

my. bad...he didnt prepare a concession speech because he just knew he was going to win....they had to look up Bush I 's.

I was just about to send rep after reading the first two words...it would have been the honorable post.

Too bad you had to continue.....

 

[Truthmatters]

How are you going to raise the incomes of most Americans?


your so concerned about it whats your fix beautiful blonde woman who wears Jesus like a piece of flair?

Im not going to raise the income of most Americans. My job is to raise my own income. Just like everyone else is responsible for raising their own. Only a complete fool would depend on politicians to raise their income.

Your forgetting FACTS

you see this country has a thing called the minimum wage.

its been voted on and everything already.

The American people like having a minimum wage.

Its law of the land.

so that means the American people DO NOT AGREE with your idea of not controling the wages of workers.

YOU LOSE

 

[occupied]

Did you notice the part about it being tough to get liberals to open their minds ? What you took it to mean only suggests that you don't really question. You simply take what fits the meme in your mind and run with it. And in the process you make up stuff to argue against.

Religious dogma....and yet another conclusion for the argument.

This is too too too funny.

I have an open mind but it is also a highly critical mind, things have to pass the bullshit test to take root. With the internet being chock full of nuts selling everything from bigfoot to chemtrails to Obama's Kenyan birth a truly open mind is not good thing. What you call a closed mind is really just a high bar I set for what I choose to believe and what gets left on the junk pile along with such gems as death panels and FEMA camps.

Somebody else called it a closed mind, not me. I simply pointed it out as it appears that most of the silly statements people are making about conservatives seem to include a reference to a closed mind.

As to the rest, who gives a crap. If you really think those things are what most conservatives care about....you must have some proof (as in comprehensive surveys) or you know a different type of conservative than I do.

I will admit that I have not actually tangled with you too much on this board, for all I know you might be somewhat less deranged and paranoid than some of the others who still live to be frightened and love to spread the paranoia among themselves like a bad case of lice. Look at the predominant tone of their posts, scared or angry seems to be their only two emotions. Do I have to remind you just how little critical thinking gets done while in these extreme emotional states? When I try to remind them that cool-headed courage should be the default emotional state of any freedom loving person they act as if I just have no clue. I cannot and do not live in fear and without fear all this conservative bullshit just looks like little children scaring each other for kicks.

 

[Truthmatters]

why does the right want to RELITIGATE exsisting laws all day long?


because they hate the American people getting what they vote for

 

[PoliticalChic]

why does the right want to RELITIGATE exsisting laws all day long?


because they hate the American people getting what they vote for

"why does the right want to RELITIGATE exsisting laws all day long?"

So....you dug the Dred Scott decision?




You make this far too easy.

 

[Indeependent]

why does the right want to RELITIGATE exsisting laws all day long?


because they hate the American people getting what they vote for

"why does the right want to RELITIGATE exsisting laws all day long?"

So....you dug the Dred Scott decision?




You make this far too easy.

Just like we dug sending all of our manufacturing to Mexico.

 

[Listening]

I have an open mind but it is also a highly critical mind, things have to pass the bullshit test to take root. With the internet being chock full of nuts selling everything from bigfoot to chemtrails to Obama's Kenyan birth a truly open mind is not good thing. What you call a closed mind is really just a high bar I set for what I choose to believe and what gets left on the junk pile along with such gems as death panels and FEMA camps.

Somebody else called it a closed mind, not me. I simply pointed it out as it appears that most of the silly statements people are making about conservatives seem to include a reference to a closed mind.

As to the rest, who gives a crap. If you really think those things are what most conservatives care about....you must have some proof (as in comprehensive surveys) or you know a different type of conservative than I do.

I will admit that I have not actually tangled with you too much on this board, for all I know you might be somewhat less deranged and paranoid than some of the others who still live to be frightened and love to spread the paranoia among themselves like a bad case of lice. Look at the predominant tone of their posts, scared or angry seems to be their only two emotions. Do I have to remind you just how little critical thinking gets done while in these extreme emotional states? When I try to remind them that cool-headed courage should be the default emotional state of any freedom loving person they act as if I just have no clue. I cannot and do not live in fear and without fear all this conservative bullshit just looks like little children scaring each other for kicks.

Spare me the one-sided prattle.

There are plenty of non-thinking posters from the left on this board also.

They only spout what they've heard.

There is as much fear and crap from the left as there is from the right.

Addressing every issue in a logical way (as you suggest) generally means looking at the very basics. Conservatives and liberals appear to emphasize different objectives when considering the processes we have for government.

This business of yelling "you are a moron" (which I freely admit I do to those I think need it) is not going to accomplish much rational discussion.

But to think that one side does it more than the other is simply not supportable.

 

[Truthmatters]

why does the right want to RELITIGATE exsisting laws all day long?


because they hate the American people getting what they vote for

"why does the right want to RELITIGATE exsisting laws all day long?"

So....you dug the Dred Scott decision?




You make this far too easy.

so how do you figure that the minimum wage laws is comparable to dred?



do you think you are about to repeal the minimum wage laws ?