Dad2three
Gold Member
The purpose of this thread is to, hopefully, field engaging back and fourths between posters concerning "facts" that they know about theirs or "the other" side that can be shown to be wrong by a member of the other side. Nobody need bring up something to get it discussed--feel free to start us off if you like. Just speak in the macro for the purposes of this debate. For example, a lot of liberals think that conservatives do not give much to charity when there have been credible studies that show conservatives give a higher percentage of their personal wealth directly to charity. Now certainly, there are some conservatives that give more than others and some liberals give more than some conservatives so the statement isn't true in every case. Some liberals give more than all others and some conservatives give more than all others. The outcome I'm hoping for are some corrections to the conventional wisdom that, who knows, will perhaps be acknowledged by a member of the other side.
Again, you needn't wait for someone to bring up "Liberals are weak on defense" to post facts about how liberal presidents and congresses have supported the troops. Or if you're conservative, you needn't wait for "Conservatives care only about the rich" and point out how conservatives have shown care and concern for the poor.
The ground rules:
1) Again, for purposes of this debate, speak in the macro. You needn't point out that Warren Buffet and Bill Gates are philanthropists when discussing who gives more to the poor. Again, what we're doing here is, hopefully, dyspelling myths about "the other side" or your side. And, once more, you needn't take on the other side. You can definitely lambast what you see as conservatism or liberalism go where it was never needed. I personally think Pelosi's brand of liberalism is exactly what the DNC should be avoiding and, to their credit, they have done a good job centering the Party.
2) Feel free to let the fur fly. Just bring some light when you bring the heat.
3) Have fun. If you're running to the mod every day, you're not doing it right.
So, in conclusion.
By posting here,
You're hopefully dyspelling myths about your side or the other side. You're doing so in the macro, fully acknowledging that there are exceptions and that one liberal or conservative being a dork somewhere does not mean that all libs or cons are dorks.
You're fully entitled to tell someone they are nuts BUT please explain why they are nuts. One-liners are what the board is made up of but they don't belong here.
Your sink is thick enough to take it and your powder is dry enough to dish it out. Again try to be topical....dyspel myths.
Goals of this thread:
Gold Standard: You change minds.
Silver Standard: You gain acknowledgement (voiced or not) that your opponent has been moved off the mark.
Bronze Standard: You make a strong case and support your argument using well respected sources. You defend your case utilizing same.
Debunking the "Conservatives Give More to Charity" Myth.
Partisanship and Charitable Giving
Do conservatives give more to charity than liberals? Nope:
While levels of giving are roughly equivalent, liberals are much more likely to donate to secular organizations, and conservatives are more likely to donate to religious causes, especially their own congregation. ...
Economist s View Partisanship and Charitable Giving
Study: Conservatives and liberals are equally charitable, but they give to different charities
....no statistically significant relationship between peoples' political beliefs, or their partisan affiliation, and their charitable giving level.
Study Conservatives and liberals are equally charitable but they give to different charities - The Washington Post
Giving Differently: Liberals and Conservatives Have Radically Different Views of Charity
Republicans’ moral foundations are embedded in respect for authority and traditions, loyalty and purity
On the other side, Democrats’ moral foundations are rooted in equality and protection from harm, says Mittal...
Giving Differently Liberals and Conservatives Have Radically Different Views of Charity
Your sorry spamming ass really deserves no response. But since I look at your crapp from time to time (have to actually open it since you are on ignore for taking up so much bandwidth).
I am more liberal than I am conservative.
But this claim is what gives liberals a bad name (just like you do).
Here is the claim of the author
we demonstrate that these results are not robust, and appear to be driven by a non-traditional question wording for identifying liberals and conservatives. After correcting for this problem, there is no statistical difference between conservative and liberal giving,
How does he correct for the "problem". He never says.
Brooks laid all his data out there.
The author says he could never get his students to replicate Brooks data....to tired he said.
What a piss poor argument.
lol, GROW A FUKKN BRAIN "LIBERAL" (lol)
The problem was that the survey [from the 2006 book “Who Really Cares” by Arthur C. Brooks] didn’t seem to accurately measure those categories and didn’t distinguish well between social conservatives or liberals and fiscal conservatives or liberals.
What the MIT researchers did find, however, was that conservatives give more to religious organizations, such as their own churches, and liberals more to secular recipients. Conservatives may give more overall, MIT says, but that’s because they tend to be richer, so they have more money to give and get a larger tax benefit from giving it.
...The bottom line, according to the MIT study, was that "liberals are no more or less generous than conservatives once we adjust for differences in church attendance and income."
Who s more charitable -- conservatives or liberals - latimes
Partisanship and Charitable Giving
Do conservatives give more to charity than liberals? Nope
P.S. Recently, Arthur Brooks has been having some trouble with the General Social Survey. Working with data can be difficult!
Economist s View Partisanship and Charitable Giving