Faith closes the mind. It is pure idol worship.

[orogenicman]

Faith closes the mind. It is pure idol worship.

Faith is a way to quit using, "God given" power of Reason and Logic, and cause the faithful to embrace doctrines that moral people reject.

The God of the O.T. says, “Come now, and let us reason together,” [Isaiah 1:18]

How can literalists reason with God when they must ignore reason and logic and discard them when turning into literalist?

Those who are literalists can only reply somewhat in the fashion that Martin Luther did. “Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.”
“Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.”

This attitude effectively kills all worthy communication that non-theists can have with theist. Faith closes the mind as it is pure idol worship.

Literalism is an evil practice that hides the true messages of myths.

We cannot show our faith based friends that they are wrong through their faith colored glasses.

Regards
DL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O1_3zBUKM8

Most faith-based people really don't want to share conversation with atheists in the first place. The real problem is that all atheists consider themselves to be so super-intelligent that they cannot engage in conversation within their own little niche without it ending in a fight over just who is the most intelligent and important. Atheist are all infected with illusion of grandeur and superiority complex. The reason atheists don't believe in God is because they consider themselves to be god. They have determined that they are far more intelligent than the Nazarene carpenter of long ago.

Well, none of that is true, except for the part where religionists don't want to talk with atheists. The real problem is not that atheists consider themselves to be superior to anyone else or everyone else. The problem is not that atheists believe themselves to be god (that would be silly since we don't believe in god). The problem is that religionists are too lazy to think things through, to afraid to rid themselves of long-held delusions and face reality. It doesn't take a superior intellect to do this. It only takes an honest, reasonable mind.

 

[Avatar4321]

Faith closes the mind. It is pure idol worship.

Faith is a way to quit using, "God given" power of Reason and Logic, and cause the faithful to embrace doctrines that moral people reject.

The God of the O.T. says, “Come now, and let us reason together,” [Isaiah 1:18]

How can literalists reason with God when they must ignore reason and logic and discard them when turning into literalist?

Those who are literalists can only reply somewhat in the fashion that Martin Luther did. “Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.”
“Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.”

This attitude effectively kills all worthy communication that non-theists can have with theist. Faith closes the mind as it is pure idol worship.

Literalism is an evil practice that hides the true messages of myths.

We cannot show our faith based friends that they are wrong through their faith colored glasses.

Regards
DL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O1_3zBUKM8

Most faith-based people really don't want to share conversation with atheists in the first place. The real problem is that all atheists consider themselves to be so super-intelligent that they cannot engage in conversation within their own little niche without it ending in a fight over just who is the most intelligent and important. Atheist are all infected with illusion of grandeur and superiority complex. The reason atheists don't believe in God is because they consider themselves to be god. They have determined that they are far more intelligent than the Nazarene carpenter of long ago.

Well, none of that is true, except for the part where religionists don't want to talk with atheists. The real problem is not that atheists consider themselves to be superior to anyone else or everyone else. The problem is not that atheists believe themselves to be god (that would be silly since we don't believe in god). The problem is that religionists are too lazy to think things through, to afraid to rid themselves of long-held delusions and face reality. It doesn't take a superior intellect to do this. It only takes an honest, reasonable mind.

wow. I don't know where to begin. That post is drenched in irony and you probably dont even realize it.

the Lord was right He said there is darkness covering the eyes of the people.

 

[the_human_being]

Faith closes the mind. It is pure idol worship.

Faith is a way to quit using, "God given" power of Reason and Logic, and cause the faithful to embrace doctrines that moral people reject.

The God of the O.T. says, “Come now, and let us reason together,” [Isaiah 1:18]

How can literalists reason with God when they must ignore reason and logic and discard them when turning into literalist?

Those who are literalists can only reply somewhat in the fashion that Martin Luther did. “Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.”
“Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.”

This attitude effectively kills all worthy communication that non-theists can have with theist. Faith closes the mind as it is pure idol worship.

Literalism is an evil practice that hides the true messages of myths.

We cannot show our faith based friends that they are wrong through their faith colored glasses.

Regards
DL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O1_3zBUKM8

Most faith-based people really don't want to share conversation with atheists in the first place. The real problem is that all atheists consider themselves to be so super-intelligent that they cannot engage in conversation within their own little niche without it ending in a fight over just who is the most intelligent and important. Atheist are all infected with illusion of grandeur and superiority complex. The reason atheists don't believe in God is because they consider themselves to be god. They have determined that they are far more intelligent than the Nazarene carpenter of long ago.

Well, none of that is true, except for the part where religionists don't want to talk with atheists. The real problem is not that atheists consider themselves to be superior to anyone else or everyone else. The problem is not that atheists believe themselves to be god (that would be silly since we don't believe in god). The problem is that religionists are too lazy to think things through, to afraid to rid themselves of long-held delusions and face reality. It doesn't take a superior intellect to do this. It only takes an honest, reasonable mind.

Of course I disagree. Were what you claim to be true, atheists would not have the question of God on their minds constantly and want to engage in any discussion of God. The real truth of the matter is simply that atheists are vain and simply must announce to anyone who will listen just how smart they deem themselves to be. It really gets tiring hearing it over and over.

 

[the_human_being]

Faith closes the mind. It is pure idol worship.

Faith is a way to quit using, "God given" power of Reason and Logic, and cause the faithful to embrace doctrines that moral people reject.

The God of the O.T. says, “Come now, and let us reason together,” [Isaiah 1:18]

How can literalists reason with God when they must ignore reason and logic and discard them when turning into literalist?

Those who are literalists can only reply somewhat in the fashion that Martin Luther did. “Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.”
“Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.”

This attitude effectively kills all worthy communication that non-theists can have with theist. Faith closes the mind as it is pure idol worship.

Literalism is an evil practice that hides the true messages of myths.

We cannot show our faith based friends that they are wrong through their faith colored glasses.

Regards
DL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O1_3zBUKM8

Most faith-based people really don't want to share conversation with atheists in the first place. The real problem is that all atheists consider themselves to be so super-intelligent that they cannot engage in conversation within their own little niche without it ending in a fight over just who is the most intelligent and important. Atheist are all infected with illusion of grandeur and superiority complex. The reason atheists don't believe in God is because they consider themselves to be god. They have determined that they are far more intelligent than the Nazarene carpenter of long ago.

Well, none of that is true, except for the part where religionists don't want to talk with atheists. The real problem is not that atheists consider themselves to be superior to anyone else or everyone else. The problem is not that atheists believe themselves to be god (that would be silly since we don't believe in god). The problem is that religionists are too lazy to think things through, to afraid to rid themselves of long-held delusions and face reality. It doesn't take a superior intellect to do this. It only takes an honest, reasonable mind.

wow. I don't know where to begin. That post is drenched in irony and you probably dont even realize it.

the Lord was right He said there is darkness covering the eyes of the people.

Yes, he's simply just another self-proclaimed super-intelligent atheist philosopher who stepped all over his own tongue. Happens all the time.

 

[orogenicman]

Faith closes the mind. It is pure idol worship.

Faith is a way to quit using, "God given" power of Reason and Logic, and cause the faithful to embrace doctrines that moral people reject.

The God of the O.T. says, “Come now, and let us reason together,” [Isaiah 1:18]

How can literalists reason with God when they must ignore reason and logic and discard them when turning into literalist?

Those who are literalists can only reply somewhat in the fashion that Martin Luther did. “Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.”
“Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.”

This attitude effectively kills all worthy communication that non-theists can have with theist. Faith closes the mind as it is pure idol worship.

Literalism is an evil practice that hides the true messages of myths.

We cannot show our faith based friends that they are wrong through their faith colored glasses.

Regards
DL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O1_3zBUKM8

Most faith-based people really don't want to share conversation with atheists in the first place. The real problem is that all atheists consider themselves to be so super-intelligent that they cannot engage in conversation within their own little niche without it ending in a fight over just who is the most intelligent and important. Atheist are all infected with illusion of grandeur and superiority complex. The reason atheists don't believe in God is because they consider themselves to be god. They have determined that they are far more intelligent than the Nazarene carpenter of long ago.

Well, none of that is true, except for the part where religionists don't want to talk with atheists. The real problem is not that atheists consider themselves to be superior to anyone else or everyone else. The problem is not that atheists believe themselves to be god (that would be silly since we don't believe in god). The problem is that religionists are too lazy to think things through, to afraid to rid themselves of long-held delusions and face reality. It doesn't take a superior intellect to do this. It only takes an honest, reasonable mind.

wow. I don't know where to begin. That post is drenched in irony and you probably dont even realize it.

the Lord was right He said there is darkness covering the eyes of the people.

"Man's paradigm of morality is religion based on axiomatic reasoning, not subject to objective proof, personified as God, omnipotent throughout time and space. According to this paradigm, Man need not strive to obtain knowledge from any source other than religion for all is given by God; submission to his God will make all known which man needs in his life, and the rest on a "need to know basis" will be revealed to him in the after world. This is a lazy system for man need not strive to find truth, but it is handed down from above: All things are known to God and all man needs to do is apply and follow these laws which are made known by individual revelation from God to man." -Professor Emeritus, James Conkin

The irony is that you don't see this dishonest, lazy system for what it really is, and instead of having a reasonable discussion about it, you hide behind 2,000 year old scripture as if is somehow valid in the face of 500 years of objective scientific revelation.

 

[orogenicman]

Faith closes the mind. It is pure idol worship.

Faith is a way to quit using, "God given" power of Reason and Logic, and cause the faithful to embrace doctrines that moral people reject.

The God of the O.T. says, “Come now, and let us reason together,” [Isaiah 1:18]

How can literalists reason with God when they must ignore reason and logic and discard them when turning into literalist?

Those who are literalists can only reply somewhat in the fashion that Martin Luther did. “Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.”
“Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.”

This attitude effectively kills all worthy communication that non-theists can have with theist. Faith closes the mind as it is pure idol worship.

Literalism is an evil practice that hides the true messages of myths.

We cannot show our faith based friends that they are wrong through their faith colored glasses.

Regards
DL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O1_3zBUKM8

Most faith-based people really don't want to share conversation with atheists in the first place. The real problem is that all atheists consider themselves to be so super-intelligent that they cannot engage in conversation within their own little niche without it ending in a fight over just who is the most intelligent and important. Atheist are all infected with illusion of grandeur and superiority complex. The reason atheists don't believe in God is because they consider themselves to be god. They have determined that they are far more intelligent than the Nazarene carpenter of long ago.

Well, none of that is true, except for the part where religionists don't want to talk with atheists. The real problem is not that atheists consider themselves to be superior to anyone else or everyone else. The problem is not that atheists believe themselves to be god (that would be silly since we don't believe in god). The problem is that religionists are too lazy to think things through, to afraid to rid themselves of long-held delusions and face reality. It doesn't take a superior intellect to do this. It only takes an honest, reasonable mind.

Of course I disagree. Were what you claim to be true, atheists would not have the question of God on their minds constantly and want to engage in any discussion of God. The real truth of the matter is simply that atheists are vain and simply must announce to anyone who will listen just how smart they deem themselves to be. It really gets tiring hearing it over and over.

Atheists constitute a very small minority in this country. That small minority is constantly accused by religious folk of "darkness" and "sin" and told to 'repent or go to hell" for the simple act of not believing as they do. Is it any wonder that they are constantly having to battle such people to have their views heard? I am sure it does get tiring for you to have to hear it over and over again. But then, if that is the case, why do people like you post such threads as this one? An atheist didn't start this thread. A religionist did. You people can dish it out, but you surely cannot take it.

 

[orogenicman]

Faith closes the mind. It is pure idol worship.

Faith is a way to quit using, "God given" power of Reason and Logic, and cause the faithful to embrace doctrines that moral people reject.

The God of the O.T. says, “Come now, and let us reason together,” [Isaiah 1:18]

How can literalists reason with God when they must ignore reason and logic and discard them when turning into literalist?

Those who are literalists can only reply somewhat in the fashion that Martin Luther did. “Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.”
“Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.”

This attitude effectively kills all worthy communication that non-theists can have with theist. Faith closes the mind as it is pure idol worship.

Literalism is an evil practice that hides the true messages of myths.

We cannot show our faith based friends that they are wrong through their faith colored glasses.

Regards
DL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O1_3zBUKM8

Most faith-based people really don't want to share conversation with atheists in the first place. The real problem is that all atheists consider themselves to be so super-intelligent that they cannot engage in conversation within their own little niche without it ending in a fight over just who is the most intelligent and important. Atheist are all infected with illusion of grandeur and superiority complex. The reason atheists don't believe in God is because they consider themselves to be god. They have determined that they are far more intelligent than the Nazarene carpenter of long ago.

Well, none of that is true, except for the part where religionists don't want to talk with atheists. The real problem is not that atheists consider themselves to be superior to anyone else or everyone else. The problem is not that atheists believe themselves to be god (that would be silly since we don't believe in god). The problem is that religionists are too lazy to think things through, to afraid to rid themselves of long-held delusions and face reality. It doesn't take a superior intellect to do this. It only takes an honest, reasonable mind.

wow. I don't know where to begin. That post is drenched in irony and you probably dont even realize it.

the Lord was right He said there is darkness covering the eyes of the people.

Yes, he's simply just another self-proclaimed super-intelligent atheist philosopher who stepped all over his own tongue. Happens all the time.

Thanks for making my case for me.

Cheers,

 

[orogenicman]

Faith closes the mind. It is pure idol worship.

Faith is a way to quit using, "God given" power of Reason and Logic, and cause the faithful to embrace doctrines that moral people reject.

The God of the O.T. says, “Come now, and let us reason together,” [Isaiah 1:18]

How can literalists reason with God when they must ignore reason and logic and discard them when turning into literalist?

Those who are literalists can only reply somewhat in the fashion that Martin Luther did. “Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.”
“Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.”

This attitude effectively kills all worthy communication that non-theists can have with theist. Faith closes the mind as it is pure idol worship.

Literalism is an evil practice that hides the true messages of myths.

We cannot show our faith based friends that they are wrong through their faith colored glasses.

Regards
DL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O1_3zBUKM8

Most faith-based people really don't want to share conversation with atheists in the first place. The real problem is that all atheists consider themselves to be so super-intelligent that they cannot engage in conversation within their own little niche without it ending in a fight over just who is the most intelligent and important. Atheist are all infected with illusion of grandeur and superiority complex. The reason atheists don't believe in God is because they consider themselves to be god. They have determined that they are far more intelligent than the Nazarene carpenter of long ago.

That likely happens when a Christian tells an atheist to turn or burn and start to believe on faith alone. I usually walk away when that superiority complex pops up. Only an overinflated ego will think it has access to a God of the whole universe.

Do you expect atheists to believe in a water walking God when they know about gravity?

How do you explain that?

Let us reason. Would a carpenter and fishermen be good candidates to start a new religion? They could not even read or write. How could they learn of their God?

Regards
DL

Actually, you will find on this forum whenever a Christian makes a statement of any kind, five atheists will start calling him stupid and ignorant and some even begin using profanities. All of them will right away tell each other how intelligent they are. Just as you did putting down a carpenter and a fisherman. I have met some of both who are very intelligent. I know a couple of home builders who are very intelligent and have made tons of money.

No, you are too intelligent to believe the God who created both the water and the law of gravity and who resides outside our dimensional constraints could walk on water let alone appear in a locked room with the doors and windows locked. I realize you are simply too intelligent to know anything about hyper-space travel.

If god created water and the law of gravity, who/what created god? Why would you worship a deity that doesn't reside in your universe? Such a god would have no vested interest in this universe, and so why would you trust such a deity to have your best interest in mind? Think about your response before you post, please. Hyper-space travel? Really? Facepalm, dude.

 

[the_human_being]

Faith closes the mind. It is pure idol worship.

Faith is a way to quit using, "God given" power of Reason and Logic, and cause the faithful to embrace doctrines that moral people reject.

The God of the O.T. says, “Come now, and let us reason together,” [Isaiah 1:18]

How can literalists reason with God when they must ignore reason and logic and discard them when turning into literalist?

Those who are literalists can only reply somewhat in the fashion that Martin Luther did. “Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.”
“Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.”

This attitude effectively kills all worthy communication that non-theists can have with theist. Faith closes the mind as it is pure idol worship.

Literalism is an evil practice that hides the true messages of myths.

We cannot show our faith based friends that they are wrong through their faith colored glasses.

Regards
DL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O1_3zBUKM8

Most faith-based people really don't want to share conversation with atheists in the first place. The real problem is that all atheists consider themselves to be so super-intelligent that they cannot engage in conversation within their own little niche without it ending in a fight over just who is the most intelligent and important. Atheist are all infected with illusion of grandeur and superiority complex. The reason atheists don't believe in God is because they consider themselves to be god. They have determined that they are far more intelligent than the Nazarene carpenter of long ago.

Well, none of that is true, except for the part where religionists don't want to talk with atheists. The real problem is not that atheists consider themselves to be superior to anyone else or everyone else. The problem is not that atheists believe themselves to be god (that would be silly since we don't believe in god). The problem is that religionists are too lazy to think things through, to afraid to rid themselves of long-held delusions and face reality. It doesn't take a superior intellect to do this. It only takes an honest, reasonable mind.

wow. I don't know where to begin. That post is drenched in irony and you probably dont even realize it.

the Lord was right He said there is darkness covering the eyes of the people.

"Man's paradigm of morality is religion based on axiomatic reasoning, not subject to objective proof, personified as God, omnipotent throughout time and space. According to this paradigm, Man need not strive to obtain knowledge from any source other than religion for all is given by God; submission to his God will make all known which man needs in his life, and the rest on a "need to know basis" will be revealed to him in the after world. This is a lazy system for man need not strive to find truth, but it is handed down from above: All things are known to God and all man needs to do is apply and follow these laws which are made known by individual revelation from God to man." -Professor Emeritus, James Conkin

The irony is that you don't see this dishonest, lazy system for what it really is, and instead of having a reasonable discussion about it, you hide behind 2,000 year old scripture as if is somehow valid in the face of 500 years of objective scientific revelation.

The irony is that it is on your mind and not on mine. As I stated before, atheists cannot conversed with one another because they would be fighting over which one is the more intelligent.

 

[the_human_being]

Faith closes the mind. It is pure idol worship.

Faith is a way to quit using, "God given" power of Reason and Logic, and cause the faithful to embrace doctrines that moral people reject.

The God of the O.T. says, “Come now, and let us reason together,” [Isaiah 1:18]

How can literalists reason with God when they must ignore reason and logic and discard them when turning into literalist?

Those who are literalists can only reply somewhat in the fashion that Martin Luther did. “Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.”
“Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.”

This attitude effectively kills all worthy communication that non-theists can have with theist. Faith closes the mind as it is pure idol worship.

Literalism is an evil practice that hides the true messages of myths.

We cannot show our faith based friends that they are wrong through their faith colored glasses.

Regards
DL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O1_3zBUKM8

Most faith-based people really don't want to share conversation with atheists in the first place. The real problem is that all atheists consider themselves to be so super-intelligent that they cannot engage in conversation within their own little niche without it ending in a fight over just who is the most intelligent and important. Atheist are all infected with illusion of grandeur and superiority complex. The reason atheists don't believe in God is because they consider themselves to be god. They have determined that they are far more intelligent than the Nazarene carpenter of long ago.

That likely happens when a Christian tells an atheist to turn or burn and start to believe on faith alone. I usually walk away when that superiority complex pops up. Only an overinflated ego will think it has access to a God of the whole universe.

Do you expect atheists to believe in a water walking God when they know about gravity?

How do you explain that?

Let us reason. Would a carpenter and fishermen be good candidates to start a new religion? They could not even read or write. How could they learn of their God?

Regards
DL

Actually, you will find on this forum whenever a Christian makes a statement of any kind, five atheists will start calling him stupid and ignorant and some even begin using profanities. All of them will right away tell each other how intelligent they are. Just as you did putting down a carpenter and a fisherman. I have met some of both who are very intelligent. I know a couple of home builders who are very intelligent and have made tons of money.

No, you are too intelligent to believe the God who created both the water and the law of gravity and who resides outside our dimensional constraints could walk on water let alone appear in a locked room with the doors and windows locked. I realize you are simply too intelligent to know anything about hyper-space travel.

If god created water and the law of gravity, who/what created god? Why would you worship a deity that doesn't reside in your universe? Such a god would have no vested interest in this universe, and so why would you trust such a deity to have your best interest in mind? Think about your response before you post, please. Hyper-space travel? Really? Facepalm, dude.

Why would you care what or whom I worship since you claim it doesn't exist? You make no sense. Why is God weighing upon your mind so much if He doesn't exist as you claim?

 

[the_human_being]

Faith closes the mind. It is pure idol worship.

Faith is a way to quit using, "God given" power of Reason and Logic, and cause the faithful to embrace doctrines that moral people reject.

The God of the O.T. says, “Come now, and let us reason together,” [Isaiah 1:18]

How can literalists reason with God when they must ignore reason and logic and discard them when turning into literalist?

Those who are literalists can only reply somewhat in the fashion that Martin Luther did. “Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.”
“Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.”

This attitude effectively kills all worthy communication that non-theists can have with theist. Faith closes the mind as it is pure idol worship.

Literalism is an evil practice that hides the true messages of myths.

We cannot show our faith based friends that they are wrong through their faith colored glasses.

Regards
DL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O1_3zBUKM8

Most faith-based people really don't want to share conversation with atheists in the first place. The real problem is that all atheists consider themselves to be so super-intelligent that they cannot engage in conversation within their own little niche without it ending in a fight over just who is the most intelligent and important. Atheist are all infected with illusion of grandeur and superiority complex. The reason atheists don't believe in God is because they consider themselves to be god. They have determined that they are far more intelligent than the Nazarene carpenter of long ago.

Well, none of that is true, except for the part where religionists don't want to talk with atheists. The real problem is not that atheists consider themselves to be superior to anyone else or everyone else. The problem is not that atheists believe themselves to be god (that would be silly since we don't believe in god). The problem is that religionists are too lazy to think things through, to afraid to rid themselves of long-held delusions and face reality. It doesn't take a superior intellect to do this. It only takes an honest, reasonable mind.

wow. I don't know where to begin. That post is drenched in irony and you probably dont even realize it.

the Lord was right He said there is darkness covering the eyes of the people.

Yes, he's simply just another self-proclaimed super-intelligent atheist philosopher who stepped all over his own tongue. Happens all the time.

Thanks for making my case for me.

Cheers,

Thanks but I deserve no credit at all. You did it all yourself.

 

[the_human_being]

Faith closes the mind. It is pure idol worship.

Faith is a way to quit using, "God given" power of Reason and Logic, and cause the faithful to embrace doctrines that moral people reject.

The God of the O.T. says, “Come now, and let us reason together,” [Isaiah 1:18]

How can literalists reason with God when they must ignore reason and logic and discard them when turning into literalist?

Those who are literalists can only reply somewhat in the fashion that Martin Luther did. “Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.”
“Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.”

This attitude effectively kills all worthy communication that non-theists can have with theist. Faith closes the mind as it is pure idol worship.

Literalism is an evil practice that hides the true messages of myths.

We cannot show our faith based friends that they are wrong through their faith colored glasses.

Regards
DL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O1_3zBUKM8

Most faith-based people really don't want to share conversation with atheists in the first place. The real problem is that all atheists consider themselves to be so super-intelligent that they cannot engage in conversation within their own little niche without it ending in a fight over just who is the most intelligent and important. Atheist are all infected with illusion of grandeur and superiority complex. The reason atheists don't believe in God is because they consider themselves to be god. They have determined that they are far more intelligent than the Nazarene carpenter of long ago.

Well, none of that is true, except for the part where religionists don't want to talk with atheists. The real problem is not that atheists consider themselves to be superior to anyone else or everyone else. The problem is not that atheists believe themselves to be god (that would be silly since we don't believe in god). The problem is that religionists are too lazy to think things through, to afraid to rid themselves of long-held delusions and face reality. It doesn't take a superior intellect to do this. It only takes an honest, reasonable mind.

Of course I disagree. Were what you claim to be true, atheists would not have the question of God on their minds constantly and want to engage in any discussion of God. The real truth of the matter is simply that atheists are vain and simply must announce to anyone who will listen just how smart they deem themselves to be. It really gets tiring hearing it over and over.

Atheists constitute a very small minority in this country. That small minority is constantly accused by religious folk of "darkness" and "sin" and told to 'repent or go to hell" for the simple act of not believing as they do. Is it any wonder that they are constantly having to battle such people to have their views heard? I am sure it does get tiring for you to have to hear it over and over again. But then, if that is the case, why do people like you post such threads as this one? An atheist didn't start this thread. A religionist did. You people can dish it out, but you surely cannot take it.

But I didn't start the thread. I am me. He/she that started the thread is he/she. You fall on your butt yet again.

 

[the_human_being]

Faith closes the mind. It is pure idol worship.

Faith is a way to quit using, "God given" power of Reason and Logic, and cause the faithful to embrace doctrines that moral people reject.

The God of the O.T. says, “Come now, and let us reason together,” [Isaiah 1:18]

How can literalists reason with God when they must ignore reason and logic and discard them when turning into literalist?

Those who are literalists can only reply somewhat in the fashion that Martin Luther did. “Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.”
“Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.”

This attitude effectively kills all worthy communication that non-theists can have with theist. Faith closes the mind as it is pure idol worship.

Literalism is an evil practice that hides the true messages of myths.

We cannot show our faith based friends that they are wrong through their faith colored glasses.

Regards
DL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O1_3zBUKM8

Most faith-based people really don't want to share conversation with atheists in the first place. The real problem is that all atheists consider themselves to be so super-intelligent that they cannot engage in conversation within their own little niche without it ending in a fight over just who is the most intelligent and important. Atheist are all infected with illusion of grandeur and superiority complex. The reason atheists don't believe in God is because they consider themselves to be god. They have determined that they are far more intelligent than the Nazarene carpenter of long ago.

Well, none of that is true, except for the part where religionists don't want to talk with atheists. The real problem is not that atheists consider themselves to be superior to anyone else or everyone else. The problem is not that atheists believe themselves to be god (that would be silly since we don't believe in god). The problem is that religionists are too lazy to think things through, to afraid to rid themselves of long-held delusions and face reality. It doesn't take a superior intellect to do this. It only takes an honest, reasonable mind.

wow. I don't know where to begin. That post is drenched in irony and you probably dont even realize it.

the Lord was right He said there is darkness covering the eyes of the people.

"Man's paradigm of morality is religion based on axiomatic reasoning, not subject to objective proof, personified as God, omnipotent throughout time and space. According to this paradigm, Man need not strive to obtain knowledge from any source other than religion for all is given by God; submission to his God will make all known which man needs in his life, and the rest on a "need to know basis" will be revealed to him in the after world. This is a lazy system for man need not strive to find truth, but it is handed down from above: All things are known to God and all man needs to do is apply and follow these laws which are made known by individual revelation from God to man." -Professor Emeritus, James Conkin

The irony is that you don't see this dishonest, lazy system for what it really is, and instead of having a reasonable discussion about it, you hide behind 2,000 year old scripture as if is somehow valid in the face of 500 years of objective scientific revelation.

What you are proving above all here is that you just want to argue and attempt to showcase your intelligence. Typical atheist desire as I have pointed out.

 

[orogenicman]

Faith closes the mind. It is pure idol worship.

Faith is a way to quit using, "God given" power of Reason and Logic, and cause the faithful to embrace doctrines that moral people reject.

The God of the O.T. says, “Come now, and let us reason together,” [Isaiah 1:18]

How can literalists reason with God when they must ignore reason and logic and discard them when turning into literalist?

Those who are literalists can only reply somewhat in the fashion that Martin Luther did. “Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.”
“Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.”

This attitude effectively kills all worthy communication that non-theists can have with theist. Faith closes the mind as it is pure idol worship.

Literalism is an evil practice that hides the true messages of myths.

We cannot show our faith based friends that they are wrong through their faith colored glasses.

Regards
DL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O1_3zBUKM8

Most faith-based people really don't want to share conversation with atheists in the first place. The real problem is that all atheists consider themselves to be so super-intelligent that they cannot engage in conversation within their own little niche without it ending in a fight over just who is the most intelligent and important. Atheist are all infected with illusion of grandeur and superiority complex. The reason atheists don't believe in God is because they consider themselves to be god. They have determined that they are far more intelligent than the Nazarene carpenter of long ago.

Well, none of that is true, except for the part where religionists don't want to talk with atheists. The real problem is not that atheists consider themselves to be superior to anyone else or everyone else. The problem is not that atheists believe themselves to be god (that would be silly since we don't believe in god). The problem is that religionists are too lazy to think things through, to afraid to rid themselves of long-held delusions and face reality. It doesn't take a superior intellect to do this. It only takes an honest, reasonable mind.

wow. I don't know where to begin. That post is drenched in irony and you probably dont even realize it.

the Lord was right He said there is darkness covering the eyes of the people.

"Man's paradigm of morality is religion based on axiomatic reasoning, not subject to objective proof, personified as God, omnipotent throughout time and space. According to this paradigm, Man need not strive to obtain knowledge from any source other than religion for all is given by God; submission to his God will make all known which man needs in his life, and the rest on a "need to know basis" will be revealed to him in the after world. This is a lazy system for man need not strive to find truth, but it is handed down from above: All things are known to God and all man needs to do is apply and follow these laws which are made known by individual revelation from God to man." -Professor Emeritus, James Conkin

The irony is that you don't see this dishonest, lazy system for what it really is, and instead of having a reasonable discussion about it, you hide behind 2,000 year old scripture as if is somehow valid in the face of 500 years of objective scientific revelation.

The irony is that it is on your mind and not on mine. As I stated before, atheists cannot conversed with one another because they would be fighting over which one is the more intelligent.

Tell that to my atheist girlfriend. We get along better than I ever did with my Jewish wife.

 

[orogenicman]

Faith closes the mind. It is pure idol worship.

Faith is a way to quit using, "God given" power of Reason and Logic, and cause the faithful to embrace doctrines that moral people reject.

The God of the O.T. says, “Come now, and let us reason together,” [Isaiah 1:18]

How can literalists reason with God when they must ignore reason and logic and discard them when turning into literalist?

Those who are literalists can only reply somewhat in the fashion that Martin Luther did. “Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.”
“Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.”

This attitude effectively kills all worthy communication that non-theists can have with theist. Faith closes the mind as it is pure idol worship.

Literalism is an evil practice that hides the true messages of myths.

We cannot show our faith based friends that they are wrong through their faith colored glasses.

Regards
DL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O1_3zBUKM8

Most faith-based people really don't want to share conversation with atheists in the first place. The real problem is that all atheists consider themselves to be so super-intelligent that they cannot engage in conversation within their own little niche without it ending in a fight over just who is the most intelligent and important. Atheist are all infected with illusion of grandeur and superiority complex. The reason atheists don't believe in God is because they consider themselves to be god. They have determined that they are far more intelligent than the Nazarene carpenter of long ago.

That likely happens when a Christian tells an atheist to turn or burn and start to believe on faith alone. I usually walk away when that superiority complex pops up. Only an overinflated ego will think it has access to a God of the whole universe.

Do you expect atheists to believe in a water walking God when they know about gravity?

How do you explain that?

Let us reason. Would a carpenter and fishermen be good candidates to start a new religion? They could not even read or write. How could they learn of their God?

Regards
DL

Actually, you will find on this forum whenever a Christian makes a statement of any kind, five atheists will start calling him stupid and ignorant and some even begin using profanities. All of them will right away tell each other how intelligent they are. Just as you did putting down a carpenter and a fisherman. I have met some of both who are very intelligent. I know a couple of home builders who are very intelligent and have made tons of money.

No, you are too intelligent to believe the God who created both the water and the law of gravity and who resides outside our dimensional constraints could walk on water let alone appear in a locked room with the doors and windows locked. I realize you are simply too intelligent to know anything about hyper-space travel.

If god created water and the law of gravity, who/what created god? Why would you worship a deity that doesn't reside in your universe? Such a god would have no vested interest in this universe, and so why would you trust such a deity to have your best interest in mind? Think about your response before you post, please. Hyper-space travel? Really? Facepalm, dude.

Why would you care what or whom I worship since you claim it doesn't exist? You make no sense. Why is God weighing upon your mind so much if He doesn't exist as you claim?

I don't care what you worship until your beliefs impinge on mine and/or those of others. And you religionists (particularly you Christians and Muslims) tend to impinge on everyone's beliefs, even those of your brother sects. That is when I respond.

 

[orogenicman]

Faith closes the mind. It is pure idol worship.

Faith is a way to quit using, "God given" power of Reason and Logic, and cause the faithful to embrace doctrines that moral people reject.

The God of the O.T. says, “Come now, and let us reason together,” [Isaiah 1:18]

How can literalists reason with God when they must ignore reason and logic and discard them when turning into literalist?

Those who are literalists can only reply somewhat in the fashion that Martin Luther did. “Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.”
“Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.”

This attitude effectively kills all worthy communication that non-theists can have with theist. Faith closes the mind as it is pure idol worship.

Literalism is an evil practice that hides the true messages of myths.

We cannot show our faith based friends that they are wrong through their faith colored glasses.

Regards
DL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O1_3zBUKM8

Most faith-based people really don't want to share conversation with atheists in the first place. The real problem is that all atheists consider themselves to be so super-intelligent that they cannot engage in conversation within their own little niche without it ending in a fight over just who is the most intelligent and important. Atheist are all infected with illusion of grandeur and superiority complex. The reason atheists don't believe in God is because they consider themselves to be god. They have determined that they are far more intelligent than the Nazarene carpenter of long ago.

Well, none of that is true, except for the part where religionists don't want to talk with atheists. The real problem is not that atheists consider themselves to be superior to anyone else or everyone else. The problem is not that atheists believe themselves to be god (that would be silly since we don't believe in god). The problem is that religionists are too lazy to think things through, to afraid to rid themselves of long-held delusions and face reality. It doesn't take a superior intellect to do this. It only takes an honest, reasonable mind.

Of course I disagree. Were what you claim to be true, atheists would not have the question of God on their minds constantly and want to engage in any discussion of God. The real truth of the matter is simply that atheists are vain and simply must announce to anyone who will listen just how smart they deem themselves to be. It really gets tiring hearing it over and over.

Atheists constitute a very small minority in this country. That small minority is constantly accused by religious folk of "darkness" and "sin" and told to 'repent or go to hell" for the simple act of not believing as they do. Is it any wonder that they are constantly having to battle such people to have their views heard? I am sure it does get tiring for you to have to hear it over and over again. But then, if that is the case, why do people like you post such threads as this one? An atheist didn't start this thread. A religionist did. You people can dish it out, but you surely cannot take it.

But I didn't start the thread. I am me. He/she that started the thread is he/she. You fall on your butt yet again.

I didn't say you started the thread. I said people like you did. Try again.

 

[orogenicman]

Faith closes the mind. It is pure idol worship.

Faith is a way to quit using, "God given" power of Reason and Logic, and cause the faithful to embrace doctrines that moral people reject.

The God of the O.T. says, “Come now, and let us reason together,” [Isaiah 1:18]

How can literalists reason with God when they must ignore reason and logic and discard them when turning into literalist?

Those who are literalists can only reply somewhat in the fashion that Martin Luther did. “Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.”
“Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.”

This attitude effectively kills all worthy communication that non-theists can have with theist. Faith closes the mind as it is pure idol worship.

Literalism is an evil practice that hides the true messages of myths.

We cannot show our faith based friends that they are wrong through their faith colored glasses.

Regards
DL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O1_3zBUKM8

Most faith-based people really don't want to share conversation with atheists in the first place. The real problem is that all atheists consider themselves to be so super-intelligent that they cannot engage in conversation within their own little niche without it ending in a fight over just who is the most intelligent and important. Atheist are all infected with illusion of grandeur and superiority complex. The reason atheists don't believe in God is because they consider themselves to be god. They have determined that they are far more intelligent than the Nazarene carpenter of long ago.

Well, none of that is true, except for the part where religionists don't want to talk with atheists. The real problem is not that atheists consider themselves to be superior to anyone else or everyone else. The problem is not that atheists believe themselves to be god (that would be silly since we don't believe in god). The problem is that religionists are too lazy to think things through, to afraid to rid themselves of long-held delusions and face reality. It doesn't take a superior intellect to do this. It only takes an honest, reasonable mind.

wow. I don't know where to begin. That post is drenched in irony and you probably dont even realize it.

the Lord was right He said there is darkness covering the eyes of the people.

"Man's paradigm of morality is religion based on axiomatic reasoning, not subject to objective proof, personified as God, omnipotent throughout time and space. According to this paradigm, Man need not strive to obtain knowledge from any source other than religion for all is given by God; submission to his God will make all known which man needs in his life, and the rest on a "need to know basis" will be revealed to him in the after world. This is a lazy system for man need not strive to find truth, but it is handed down from above: All things are known to God and all man needs to do is apply and follow these laws which are made known by individual revelation from God to man." -Professor Emeritus, James Conkin

The irony is that you don't see this dishonest, lazy system for what it really is, and instead of having a reasonable discussion about it, you hide behind 2,000 year old scripture as if is somehow valid in the face of 500 years of objective scientific revelation.

What you are proving above all here is that you just want to argue and attempt to showcase your intelligence. Typical atheist desire as I have pointed out.

I am flattered that you think I am intelligent. Thank you.

 

[GreatestIam]

Oh hell yes, and never matured to realize it is wrong. How many people did Christians mow down with their cars this week?

I don't know but let's add in gays and little witches.

For the evils of religion to grow, read any scripture literally.

Any and all harmless beliefs are allowed by Gnostic Christians. We know that any myth can be internalized for good results and as esoteric ecumenists, we enjoy knowledge of all the myths that man has created about Gods.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR02ciandvg&feature=BFa&list=PLCBF574D

When there is a victim is when that view changes. Then you see why Christianity annihilated Gnostic Christianity. We do not let the evils of forced literalism go unopposed. To a tyrant like Constantine, we were poison. One of his first commands to his new Church was to kill off the free thinkers and of course, his new tool, his Church, did as bid. It was quite a ride for free thought for the next 1,000 years.

How can a Gnostic Christian, --- and any other free thinking moral person, --- not judge other's morals when seeing someone hurt other because of the same Church's teachings today?

Can you ignore such things if you have decent morals? Impossible. Especially with Islam pulling the same murderous, freedom stifling ****.

We must discriminate and judge constantly. Every law is a compulsion on all of us to judge.

It is my view that all right wing literalists and fundamentals hurt all of us who are moral religionists, --- as well as those who do not believe. Literalists hurt their parent religions --- and everyone else, be he a believer or not. Literalists and the right wing of religions make us all into laughing stocks. Their God of talking animals, genocidal floods and retribution has got to go. So must beliefs in fantasy, miracles and magic. These are all evil.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2zhlDbMfDg

They also do much harm to their own fellow adherents.

African witches and Jesus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlRG9gXriVI
Jesus Camp 1of 3
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=48b_1185215493
Death to Gays.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyuKLyGUHNE

For evil to grow my friend, all good people need do is nothing. Fight literalism when you can. It is your duty to our fellow man.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

funny.. I've found it to be the exact opposite. I find that faith expands and enlightens the mind and mote importantly it increases and opens the heart.

it's the misapplication of reason that get people to refuse to consider things outside ones immediate sense. They say I will not consider this or that unless I see evidence. Then they raise the bar of what they consider evidence so high that nothing will satisfy it. Instead of using reason to learn they use it as an excuse to not learn. Faith can likewise be misused.

faith allows people to expand their minds and consider things not immediately apparent. It allows people to learn where reason alone cannot.

I say reason alone but it's more misunderstanding of reason. People dont recognize the limitations of reason. Reason is only good if you have accurate data you are putting in.

those who misuse reason are likely to misunderstand faith as well. They are also likely to miss the opportunity of the heart

So faith then is only good when a person has inaccurate data.

And what kind of heart opening does that give you?

A nice self-induced self-gratifying feeling based on nothing accurate.

Mental masturbation.

Regards
DL

you just proved my point. You reject faith in Christ and have closed your hearty and mind rather than expanding it. When a man begins to truly rely on Christ Hid mind is open to things he has never considered because the Spirit of Truth enlightens His mind and teaches him the truth of all things.

in addition the Spirit shows us the love God has for us. As we see Gods love, we begin to seek after it and share it with others. We begin worrying about the welfare of others.

a rejection of that faith in Christ bring cynicism, despair, and end to growth

Love of God my ass. Only a big fool would think God can love at all.

The bastard has promised to destroy the majority of us while keeping just a few of his best in heaven.

You can shove that love exactly where you keep your head. Up his ass.

Thanks for showing all here how little of love your corrupt religion has taught you.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

[QUOTE

come to Christ. Learn for yourself. He will change your life

He did already.

He showed me how immoral your view and religion are.

Having another innocent person suffer for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.

Jesus said to pick up your cross and follow him but I see that you have taken the line that someone else should pay your dues. Quite manly and moral that. Not.

Do you really think someone else can pay your dues and allow you to shirk your just reward?

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) “Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.
Ezekiel 18:20 (ESV) The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.
The declaration which says that God visits the sins of the fathers upon the children is contrary to every principle of moral justice. [Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason]

As above so below.

If you had God's power, would you not be able to find a way that does not go against the wisdom of Jesus and the bible?
Perhaps like being man enough to step up to your own demands for a worthy sacrifice?

That is what a good God would do.

Regards
DL