False claims about 40 beheaded babies & 30 Harvard student groups condemning Israel may teach us how the US left, right & liberal process news

[Lastamender]

They just might. The Israeli's have better propaganda than the Germans did.

Let us know when Israel kills 6 million innocent people.

 

[Lastamender]

I'm at the 49ner Tavern in Long Beach, California every Friday between 4:30 - 5:30pm for happy hour.

I don't drink, but there is no doubt you do.

 

[Edgetho]

I'm at the 49ner Tavern in Long Beach, California every Friday between 4:30 - 5:30pm for happy hour.

I bet you're 6'6'' tall and weigh around 250lbs, too!

 

[Lastamender]

I bet you're 6'6'' tall and weigh around 250lbs, too!

Can you pile shit that high?

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Man, you must a flunked geography!

No, idiot.

 

[westwall]

Not all members of Hamas are militants.

Yeah, they are. Not ALL Palestinians are terrorists, but ALL members of HAMAS, are.

 

[DudleySmith]

They were already in their own country when the Zionists showed up!

Nope, most were illegal immigrants who showed up to work the farms, docks, and businesses started up by Jews and British investors. You fail history once again.

 

[westwall]

The world didn't even know Jews were being massacred until we crossed the Rhine into Germany. And you want the world to stand silent while you ethnically cleanse the area of Palestinians, no different than Nazi Germany.

Bullshit. It was well known by 1943. But even before that the nazi's setting up of the apparatus was known.

 

[DudleySmith]

They were already in their own country when the Zionists showed up!

lol it belonged to the Ottomans, who in turn invited all those 'Zionists' in with open arms.

 

[Billo_Really]

Let us know when Israel kills 6 million innocent people.

Let's all hope it doesn't get that bad? Israeli's are not Nazis. They're just acting like them in the early 30's by scapegoating an entire population of people as the cause of all their problems.

 

[Billo_Really]

Bullshit. It was well known by 1943. But even before that the nazi's setting up of the apparatus was known.

Prove it!

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

As many have heard, a bizarre false claim has been made that HAMAS militants beheaded 40 babies in their counter-attacks against ongoing Israeli ethnic cleansing and war crimes this past weekend.

Patently absurd on its face, the truth, while still tragic, is a different matter:

MSN

In keeping with Israeli attacks on innocent Palestinian men, women and children which have left thousands upon thousands dead, it appears that as many as three dozen kibbutz inhabitants were murdered, a few as young as two.

While deeply sad, it pales in comparison to the vast multiples of this number of innocent Palestinians murdered by Israel.

But for the purpose of this thread, the most important aspect of the story from a group perception standpoint is that conservatives accepted at face value that 40 babies had been beheaded despite the absurdity of the claim, while liberals (and even more so the left) were far more (and correctly) skeptical.

Meanwhile, 30 student groups at the famously liberal/left-leaning Harvard have come out with stern condemnations of Israel's long history of behavior far worse and vastly more numerically lopsided than the terrible event noted above:

Cornel West on Harvard students blaming Israel: Largely right but lacking nuance

What these two stories have in common is that liberals, and to an even greater extent the left, appear far more inclined to ask questions which challenge pre-conceived narratives, prejudices, and supposed authorities rather than accepting alleged truths at face value.

Contrary to the conservative claim that liberals and the left are led more by feeling than fact, the reverse appears to be true.

In the case of the false baby beheading claim, conservatives allowed their pre-conceived notions of Muslim barbarism to quash the more logical path of skepticism and deeper research that liberals and the left followed.

And in the case of the endless cries of alleged "Unprovoked attacks on Israel!" by Palestinian groups, the highly educated students of Harvard looked long and hard at the ACTUAL long history of Israeli brutality, terrorism, land theft, ethnic cleansing and widespread civilian murder to conclude that Israel was in fact the longstanding aggressor, and had provided endless provocation over many decades.

Conservatives famously attack liberals and the left - often confusing the two - in an unending barrage of barbs pertaining to their alleged infantile and overly emotional response to events, but the opposite seems to often be the case.

Liberals and the left seem much more inclined to investigate, use logic and reason, and weigh numerous sources before drawing conclusions, whereas conservatives seem more inclined to trust arbitrary - and often untrustworthy - authority figures providing bad information which confirms their prior prejudices.

This is not to say that liberals and the left are immune from this behavior (see the eight year liberal witch hunt against Trump for instance), but rather that they seem less inclined to base their beliefs on feelings and pre-conceived notions than conservatives.

Is this something that is likely to change?

Is the difference the higher levels of education that liberals and the left tend to pursue?

Obviously all three groups have societal value, but this difference is quite glaring, and often disconcerting.

Are you ever coming back to admit you were wrong?

 

[Billo_Really]

I don't drink, but there is no doubt you do.

Oh yeah!

 

[FranklinRoosevelt_FTW]

As many have heard, a bizarre false claim has been made that HAMAS militants beheaded 40 babies in their counter-attacks against ongoing Israeli ethnic cleansing and war crimes this past weekend.

Patently absurd on its face, the truth, while still tragic, is a different matter:

MSN

In keeping with Israeli attacks on innocent Palestinian men, women and children which have left thousands upon thousands dead, it appears that as many as three dozen kibbutz inhabitants were murdered, a few as young as two.

While deeply sad, it pales in comparison to the vast multiples of this number of innocent Palestinians murdered by Israel.

But for the purpose of this thread, the most important aspect of the story from a group perception standpoint is that conservatives accepted at face value that 40 babies had been beheaded despite the absurdity of the claim, while liberals (and even more so the left) were far more (and correctly) skeptical.

Meanwhile, 30 student groups at the famously liberal/left-leaning Harvard have come out with stern condemnations of Israel's long history of behavior far worse and vastly more numerically lopsided than the terrible event noted above:

Cornel West on Harvard students blaming Israel: Largely right but lacking nuance

What these two stories have in common is that liberals, and to an even greater extent the left, appear far more inclined to ask questions which challenge pre-conceived narratives, prejudices, and supposed authorities rather than accepting alleged truths at face value.

Contrary to the conservative claim that liberals and the left are led more by feeling than fact, the reverse appears to be true.

In the case of the false baby beheading claim, conservatives allowed their pre-conceived notions of Muslim barbarism to quash the more logical path of skepticism and deeper research that liberals and the left followed.

And in the case of the endless cries of alleged "Unprovoked attacks on Israel!" by Palestinian groups, the highly educated students of Harvard looked long and hard at the ACTUAL long history of Israeli brutality, terrorism, land theft, ethnic cleansing and widespread civilian murder to conclude that Israel was in fact the longstanding aggressor, and had provided endless provocation over many decades.

Conservatives famously attack liberals and the left - often confusing the two - in an unending barrage of barbs pertaining to their alleged infantile and overly emotional response to events, but the opposite seems to often be the case.

Liberals and the left seem much more inclined to investigate, use logic and reason, and weigh numerous sources before drawing conclusions, whereas conservatives seem more inclined to trust arbitrary - and often untrustworthy - authority figures providing bad information which confirms their prior prejudices.

This is not to say that liberals and the left are immune from this behavior (see the eight year liberal witch hunt against Trump for instance), but rather that they seem less inclined to base their beliefs on feelings and pre-conceived notions than conservatives.

Is this something that is likely to change?

Is the difference the higher levels of education that liberals and the left tend to pursue?

Obviously all three groups have societal value, but this difference is quite glaring, and often disconcerting.

I had a feeling that it wasn’t real. From what I recall, even ISIL will not kill babies. Babies have been killed in war throughout history though.


For the American people who support Israel. One Israel does not need our support. Two we have 50 young Black people being killed in Chicago every weekend we have 100,000 Americans dying every year from drug abuse. Come on now.

 

[Lastamender]

Let's all hope it doesn't get that bad? Israeli's are not Nazis. They're just acting like them in the early 30's by scapegoating an entire population of people as the cause of all their problems.

Scapegoating? Did you miss the terror attacks? Israel has the right to defend itself anyway it chooses.

 

[FranklinRoosevelt_FTW]

Are you ever coming back to admit you were wrong?

Wait a minute. Did it happen or not? And is there a proof?

 

[Billo_Really]

I bet you're 6'6'' tall and weigh around 250lbs, too!

I'm not 6', but I do weigh 250.

 

[westwall]

Prove it!

Oh, look. I was wrong. It was 1942! when the west figured it out.

DUMBFUCK!
On November 25, 1942, many American newspapers published reports that 2 million Jews already had been murdered. The World Jewish Congress’s representative in Switzerland, Gerhart Riegner, had tried to report this information to his organization’s president, Rabbi Stephen Wise, in August 1942, sending a message through the US State Department. State Department officials at first tried to block Riegner’s report from reaching Rabbi Wise. They claimed that the planned murder of European Jews was merely a “war rumor.” Yet after investigating Riegner’s report over the next three months, State Department officials verified the news of the Nazi regime’s plan, and, according to Wise, authorized him to inform the American public.

In response to this news, Jewish communities in many Allied nations held rallies and vigils, and declared Wednesday, December 2, 1942, to be an international day of mourning. The United States, Great Britain, the Soviet Union, and nine Allied governments released a “Declaration on Atrocities” on December 17, 1942. This declaration condemned the “bloody cruelties” and “cold-blooded extermination” of Europe’s Jews and vowed that the Allies would punish war criminals after the fighting stopped. It made no promise to initiate rescue efforts.

The United States and the Holocaust, 1942-45

Why did the United States go to war? What did Americans know about the “Final Solution”? How did Americans respond to news about the Holocaust? Learn more.

encyclopedia.ushmm.org

 

[FranklinRoosevelt_FTW]

MinTrut

What’s going on here we’re the babies beheaded or not?

 

[Billo_Really]

Scapegoating? Did you miss the terror attacks? Israel has the right to defend itself anyway it chooses.

An occupational force cannot claim self defense!