Farmer on NPR said he couldn't find an American who would pick fruit...

[MaryL]

"A farmer on NPR"... say no more. What a surprise NPR lends their professional gravitas to a anecdotal story .

You didn't bother to read the article......what a surprise.

Blackrook lied to you about what the farmer said.

And you folks just slurp up the lies.

So, the moral of this is: If people are willing to be exploited, it legitimizes exploiting them ? And if they lower themselves to such a low standard, it makes them immune from (immigration) laws, as well? Well, if we accept that logic, what does that make US?

capitalists.

Redirect: We are talking NPR here..

No- we are actually talking about farm labor here.

Blackrook lied about the NPR article- and you just slurp up the lies.

Really? OK. How did he/she Lie? What is your source?

 

[MaryL]

So, the moral of this is: If people are willing to be exploited, it legitimizes exploiting them ? And if they lower themselves to such a low standard, it makes them immune from (immigration) laws, as well? Well, if we accept that logic, what does that make US?

capitalists.

Redirect: We are talking NPR here. Think Chinese communism: biggest sellouts to profit and capitalism as well as histories biggest mass murders.

What does NPR have to do with your question?

Well, the title of this thread might be a big clue. Which I was responding to...

 

[Tehon]

So, the moral of this is: If people are willing to be exploited, it legitimizes exploiting them ? And if they lower themselves to such a low standard, it makes them immune from (immigration) laws, as well? Well, if we accept that logic, what does that make US?

capitalists.

Redirect: We are talking NPR here. Think Chinese communism: biggest sellouts to profit and capitalism as well as histories biggest mass murders.

What does NPR have to do with your question?

Well, the title of this thread might be a big clue.

I wasn't addressing the OP. I was answering your question. And capitalism isn't really off topic in a thread that deals with the production of commodities. NPR is actually kind of irrelevant.

 

[toobfreak]

I remember watching a show months ago where they were talking about immigration and when the apple season comes in Oregon, Mexicans come from Mexico, go up there and pick apples for something like $15-$18 a hour. They hustle, they work hard, they send some money home then I guess they go back after it is all over.

 

[MaryL]

So, the moral of this is: If people are willing to be exploited, it legitimizes exploiting them ? And if they lower themselves to such a low standard, it makes them immune from (immigration) laws, as well? Well, if we accept that logic, what does that make US?

capitalists.

Redirect: We are talking NPR here. Think Chinese communism: biggest sellouts to profit and capitalism as well as histories biggest mass murders.

What does NPR have to do with your question?

Well, the title of this thread might be a big clue.

I wasn't addressing the OP. I was answering your question. And capitalism isn't really off topic in a thread that deals with the production of commodities. NPR is actually kind of irrelevant.

I was, however referring to the op. We are talking past each other here. And, I believe I addressed your mono worded reply "capitalism". Chinese communism has become this weird engine of capitalism and pollution and overpopulation. What is your solution to exploitation of illegal immigrants besides lambasting capitalism?

 

[Tehon]

I remember watching a show months ago where they were talking about immigration and when the apple season comes in Oregon, Mexicans come from Mexico, go up there and pick apples for something like $15-$18 a hour. They hustle, they work hard, they send some money home then I guess they go back after it is all over.

Not likely. It costs money to transit the border illegally.

 

[Tehon]

capitalists.

Redirect: We are talking NPR here. Think Chinese communism: biggest sellouts to profit and capitalism as well as histories biggest mass murders.

What does NPR have to do with your question?

Well, the title of this thread might be a big clue.

I wasn't addressing the OP. I was answering your question. And capitalism isn't really off topic in a thread that deals with the production of commodities. NPR is actually kind of irrelevant.

I was, however referring to the op. We are talking past each other here. And, I believe I addressed your mono worded reply "capitalism". Chinese communism has become this weird engine of capitalism and pollution and overpopulation. What is your solution to exploitation of illegal immigrants besides lambasting capitalism?

My solution is Marxism. Stop exploiting workers, illegal immigrant workers or otherwise.

I'm not well informed about Chinese communism. I suspect it never was anything except a version of state capitalism.

 

[toobfreak]

I remember watching a show months ago where they were talking about immigration and when the apple season comes in Oregon, Mexicans come from Mexico, go up there and pick apples for something like $15-$18 a hour. They hustle, they work hard, they send some money home then I guess they go back after it is all over.

Not likely. It costs money to transit the border illegally.

Nothing was said about them crossing the border legally.

 

[Issa]

Someone should try and organize a week without immigrants legal or illegal.

I guarantee you that the economy will collapse to its knees, not to mention sanitary crisis, elderly and the sick dying in their homes, shortage of food, services and in every aspect of life will be interrupted.

 

[MaryL]

I remember watching a show months ago where they were talking about immigration and when the apple season comes in Oregon, Mexicans come from Mexico, go up there and pick apples for something like $15-$18 a hour. They hustle, they work hard, they send some money home then I guess they go back after it is all over.

Not likely. It costs money to transit the border illegally.

Nothing was said about them crossing the border legally.

Well, let's bring that up. They chose to sneak in here regardless of the consequences. I live with illegals, and they aren't the darling poor little victims they are made out to be. Au con·traire! And it's pretty obvious IF you actually had anything to do with them you would know what a phony exaggerated issue this is. No other group gets a free pass on violating immigration laws. What makes illegal Mexican Hispanics immune to immigration laws immigrants or other nationalities/races followed in the past and do so NOW?

 

[Tehon]

I remember watching a show months ago where they were talking about immigration and when the apple season comes in Oregon, Mexicans come from Mexico, go up there and pick apples for something like $15-$18 a hour. They hustle, they work hard, they send some money home then I guess they go back after it is all over.

Not likely. It costs money to transit the border illegally.

Nothing was said about them crossing the border legally.

My point is that they are not likely to take the risk or expense of making it a seasonal trek to Mexico. Most likely they go somewhere else in the states where they can continue to make a wage.

Don't pickers get payed per bin?

 

[Tehon]

What makes illegal Mexican Hispanics immune to immigration laws immigrants or other nationalities/races followed in the past and do so NOW?

You're not going to like my answer but it is entirely obvious. Capitalism

 

[MaryL]

What makes illegal Mexican Hispanics immune to immigration laws immigrants or other nationalities/races followed in the past and do so NOW?

You're not going to like my answer but it is entirely obvious. Capitalism

You mean systemic selfish greed, which transcends theoretical economics. You aren't going to like the fact communism is dead. So do you have a alternative that will actually work with flesh and blood human beings?

 

[Tehon]

What makes illegal Mexican Hispanics immune to immigration laws immigrants or other nationalities/races followed in the past and do so NOW?

You're not going to like my answer but it is entirely obvious. Capitalism

You mean systemic selfish greed, which transcends theoretical economics. You aren't going to like the fact communism is dead. So do you have a alternative that will actually work with flesh and blood human beings?

Of course greed is systemic, it is entirely rational for the capitalist to seek the highest rate of return under the capitalist mode of production.

Communism isn't dead, it has yet to be born. It develops out of a fully developed socialist society. We are a long way off.

 

[HenryBHough]

It really requires just a few simple steps:

1. Pay the full "living wage" and bennies the liberals are whining for. The ways they so fervently believe will attract American pickers - but won't.

2. Price the fruit according to production cost (including labour and bennies) to wholesalers. If wholesalers won't pay it? Let it rot on the trees and lay off the pickers.

3. Ditto if the wholesalers will pay the price and consumers won't. Let it rot on the supermarket shelves until the stores and wholesalers wise up then let it rot on the trees. Lay off the pickers.

4. American liberals take the opportunity to invest in Mexican fruit growers to expand their production and demand zero import duties since the fruit is not available in The U.S.

5. Former orchards are stripped to bare soil to make way for low cost (read "free") housing for indigent Americans who wouldn't pick fruit.

End result, consumers still get economically priced fruit, Mexican workers get Mexican wages and many go home to where the jobs are. Of course Mexican workers who used to work and pay tax in American won't be paying tax here anymore, so Americans will need to pick up the slack.

See how simple it is!

 

[MaryL]

What makes illegal Mexican Hispanics immune to immigration laws immigrants or other nationalities/races followed in the past and do so NOW?

You're not going to like my answer but it is entirely obvious. Capitalism

You mean systemic selfish greed, which transcends theoretical economics. You aren't going to like the fact communism is dead. So do you have a alternative that will actually work with flesh and blood human beings?

Of course greed is systemic, it is entirely rational for the capitalist to seek the highest rate of return under the capitalist mode of production.

Communism isn't dead, it has yet to be born. It develops out of a fully developed socialist society. We are a long way off.

I was like you 40 years ago. Sorry kid, Communism is stillborn. Russia abandoned it, China is plutocracy whatever that bends to the wind like a bamboo forest. Capitalism is the worst and better angels of our nature. Ii hate to say it. But exploiting illegal aliens and making them victims of laws every other other culture in other times actually adhered to isn't about communism or capitalism or fairness . Enabling illegals from Mexico only helps illegals and those that exploit them. I want to end that.

 

[MaryL]

What makes illegal Mexican Hispanics immune to immigration laws immigrants or other nationalities/races followed in the past and do so NOW?

You're not going to like my answer but it is entirely obvious. Capitalism

You mean systemic selfish greed, which transcends theoretical economics. You aren't going to like the fact communism is dead. So do you have a alternative that will actually work with flesh and blood human beings?

Of course greed is systemic, it is entirely rational for the capitalist to seek the highest rate of return under the capitalist mode of production.

Communism isn't dead, it has yet to be born. It develops out of a fully developed socialist society. We are a long way off.

I was like you 40 years ago. Sorry kid, Communism is stillborn. Russia abandoned it, China is plutocracy whatever that bends to the wind like a bamboo forest. Capitalism is the worst and better angels of our nature. I hate to say it. But exploiting illegal aliens and making them victims of laws every other culture in other times actually adhered to isn't about communism or capitalism or fairness . Enabling illegals from Mexico only helps illegals and those that exploit them. I want to end that.

 

[Slyhunter]

It really requires just a few simple steps:

1. Pay the full "living wage" and bennies the liberals are whining for. The ways they so fervently believe will attract American pickers - but won't.

2. Price the fruit according to production cost (including labour and bennies) to wholesalers. If wholesalers won't pay it? Let it rot on the trees and lay off the pickers.

3. Ditto if the wholesalers will pay the price and consumers won't. Let it rot on the supermarket shelves until the stores and wholesalers wise up then let it rot on the trees. Lay off the pickers.

4. American liberals take the opportunity to invest in Mexican fruit growers to expand their production and demand zero import duties since the fruit is not available in The U.S.

5. Former orchards are stripped to bare soil to make way for low cost (read "free") housing for indigent Americans who wouldn't pick fruit.

End result, consumers still get economically priced fruit, Mexican workers get Mexican wages and many go home to where the jobs are. Of course Mexican workers who used to work and pay tax in American won't be paying tax here anymore, so Americans will need to pick up the slack.

See how simple it is!

Raise tariffs on those countries that don't pay an American living wage to create an even playing field.

 

[HenryBHough]

Raise tariffs on those countries that don't pay an American living wage to create an even playing field.

Which, of course, would increase the consumer price of fruit which you'd either pay or refuse to pay and let the kiddies die of scurvy. Better, I guess, than life as liberals.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

It really requires just a few simple steps:

1. Pay the full "living wage" and bennies the liberals are whining for. The ways they so fervently believe will attract American pickers - but won't.

2. Price the fruit according to production cost (including labour and bennies) to wholesalers. If wholesalers won't pay it? Let it rot on the trees and lay off the pickers.

3. Ditto if the wholesalers will pay the price and consumers won't. Let it rot on the supermarket shelves until the stores and wholesalers wise up then let it rot on the trees. Lay off the pickers.

4. American liberals take the opportunity to invest in Mexican fruit growers to expand their production and demand zero import duties since the fruit is not available in The U.S.

5. Former orchards are stripped to bare soil to make way for low cost (read "free") housing for indigent Americans who wouldn't pick fruit.

End result, consumers still get economically priced fruit, Mexican workers get Mexican wages and many go home to where the jobs are. Of course Mexican workers who used to work and pay tax in American won't be paying tax here anymore, so Americans will need to pick up the slack.

See how simple it is!

Raise tariffs on those countries that don't pay an American living wage to create an even playing field.

Then those countries put a tariff on our products and hurt our exported goods.