FEMA Deceives Nation About Twin Towers Core

[Christophera]

You still have zero proof of concrete chunks all over ground zero....

I still have 10 times the independently verified evidence than you do for steel core columns and can say that which your masters, ther perpetrators would approve of, that the concrete broke up.

Imagine that massive piece of concrete falling 400 feet.

Show me one piece steel core columns that have been subjected to and failed because of your panacaking floors. And, THEN the steel core columns you and FEMA try to assert existed id indeed exist, THEN they would be seen folded and bent into massive bundles. Show me those continuous steel core columns at grond zero after the pancaking floors bend them into wads.

If all you can find is cut up columns, you will have to explain how they were cut, because you cannot have it both ways.

that is more than likely a FLOOR moron, not a wall
since there was NO CONCRETE IN THE CORE ABOVE GRADE

herr kaiser cannot answer.

Here is an image of the same piece of concrete taken from a helicopter. Where did what you call a floor fall from?

 

[DiveCon]

herr kaiser cannot answer.

Here is an image of the same piece of concrete taken from a helicopter. Where did what you call a floor fall from?

you are so fucking stupid you actually think your pics HAVE to be in every fucking post
you just think everyone else on the internet is incapable of seeing those same pics you've posted a 100 fucking times
stop wasiting so fucking much bandwidth moron

 

[Christophera]

herr kaiser cannot answer.

Here is an image of the same piece of concrete taken from a helicopter. Where did what you call a floor fall from?

you are so fucking stupid you actually think your pics HAVE to be in every fucking post
you just think everyone else on the internet is incapable of seeing those same pics you've posted a 100 fucking times
stop wasiting so fucking much bandwidth moron

Where did what you call a "floor" fall from?

Uh, 3,000 innocent people have been murdered and the cause of death is invalid and you find bandwidth an issue. Sick. If you weren't an agent for the perpetrators this discussion would be long over because you would have recognized the facts and this site would suffice to educate people to the FEMA deception,

FEMA misrepresented core structure of the Twin Towers.

but nooooooo, you have to deny it which means people might not see the evidence because you are filling up the pages with the perpetrators recommended evasions.

So, FEMA said this was what the core of the Twin towers looked like,

but, on 9-11 we see this, which bears no resemblence to the diagram above which is the ONLY graphic depiction in existence of the core from official sources.

And that is obviously is concrete, just at the lead engineer informed Newsweek on September 13, 2001 wherein they identify a concrete core.

 

[DiveCon]

idiot

 

[candycorn]

christophera =

 

[kyzr]

The only thing stupid is doing was perpetrating this moronic thread. The SNs piloted the jets, the SNs killed 3,000 Americans.

You still have zero proof of concrete chunks all over ground zero....

I still have 10 times the independently verified evidence than you do for steel core columns and can say that which your masters, ther perpetrators would approve of, that the concrete broke up. Imagine that massive piece of concrete falling 400 feet.

Show me one piece steel core columns that have been subjected to and failed because of your panacaking floors. And, THEN the steel core columns you and FEMA try to assert existed id indeed exist, THEN they would be seen folded and bent into massive bundles. Show me those continuous steel core columns at grond zero after the pancaking floors bend them into wads.

If all you can find is cut up columns, you will have to explain how they were cut, because you cannot have it both ways.

Here is one closeup, proving that some photographers were allowed to take photos after9/11, and that there was no debris showing 3' thick concrete walls. All you collapse photos show are the unreinforced lightweight concrete floors turning to dust.

Look in the far pile and you can see the box columns that made up the core steel.

Your turn show me massive reinforced concrete wall chunks. If you can't you lose.

 

[kyzr]

Guess where the truth movement gets its plans for the Twins? From Larry Silverstein.

Those are linked from the ae911truth.org website

North Tower Blueprints

Then it turns out that Gregg Roberts of AE911Truth works with Dwain Deets and Jim Hoffman where the ae911truth.org blueprint links lead. Deets has connections to military as does Hoffman and has worked for decades in the drone industry. Full story here.

Strange Bedfellows: AE911Truth, the Drone Industry, and Dwain Deets « American Everyman

FEMA connected to NIST connected to Gage connected to Hoffman connected to Deets Connected to Roberts connected to Jones, connected to Silverstein ALL BY THE STEEL CORE COLUMN DESIGN that cannot be independently evidenced with verified data.

okay, so show me the big chunks of 3' thick reinforced concrete all over the ground.[/url]

The plans from silverstein have been digitally altered to appear ad refined drawings by the addition of revision tables. The anomalies found inthe revision tables show that fact. They are not the final plans or even close. They are the first preliminaries that went to Yamasaki. Grossly obsolete. Get the official plans to make your point about steel core columns and show the interconnecting braces.

One pixel wide space and pixel straight lines are not possible with a scan of a pencil drawing at that scale.

If the plans are real show the sheets that define the diagonal and horizontal braces between the supposed steel core columns.

No cameras were allowed at ground zero because the perpetrators did not want pictures of the massive concrete that did survive the fall.

Who Started The War on Photography? « Photofocus
Rudy Giuliani, seemed to declare war on photographers. He had the police block off more than a square mile surrounding the World Trade Center, calling it a crime scene. The Mayor ordered that anyone with a camera who even stopped or stood still near the area should be arrested and jailed.

Such bullshit. There were zillions of photos taken.
9-11 Research: Ground Zero
World Trade Center Disaster
World Trade Center, around September 21, 2001
Amazing 9/11 WTC Ground Zero Photo Collection
TIME: Photos: Digging Out Ground Zero

I can post a hundred different sources of 911 photos of the aftermath, none of the photos show massive chunks of reinforced concrete because there were no concrete core walls

 

[kyzr]

1. Robertson/Jones audio states clearly that the structure was "core columns and perimeter columns" (~18:00-19:00). Thanks! <this question was resolved. only steel columns were "structure">
http://www.imploded.org/BOMBED/s_jones_robertson_061026.mp3
a. Newsweek was clearly wrong, unless they misinterpreted the fireproof "shaftwalls" as concrete.
b. We can resolve this with a quick email to Mr. Robertson. That would either confirm or end the "disappearing concrete wall" conspiracy. Just ask him if the core had structural concrete walls or not.
c. The conspiracy would need better proof of concrete walls than a misprint in Newsweek.
d. You need to show the remnants of wall on the ground, there would be 12 miles of wall that you don't see lying on the ground.
e. I provided several independent sources that show the towers did not have concrete core
walls. (FEMA, NIST, Robertson, Guardian, and photos that don't show R/C walls on the ground) You need to show several sources of the reinforced concrete walls at least 3' thick on drawings and on the ground. You never show any concrete wall pieces on the ground.

2. Fire would never be a cause of collapse in a tower with a concrete structural core. Dumbed down and divided America is expected to accept steel core columns because of cognitive distortions used in presentation. There was fire, steel does bend when it is heated. We know how dumb the perps want Americans to be and assist them to assume that small fires on a few floors could heat the entire steel structure as if Allahs great torch from hell came from the ground and raised it all uniformly to that temperature at one moment to cause a free fall collapse. No way, even in hell.

I provided a link, from "The Guardian" which is very neutral source of information, as well as from other credible sources. No mention of concrete walls.
Then you need to define what possible gain the "conspiracy" could have from lying about the concrete walls: One guardian article should equal one Newsweek misprint. As for the "small fire" did you see the fireball at impact? There were hundreds of thousands of gallons of jet fuel in the jets that created massive fire, plus the jet impact knocked the fireproofing off the steel. so you have a massive fire and no fireproofing, the towers collapsed exactly as predicted by the NIST engineers.
Plus, part-B of the question:
what possible gain would a conspiracy have to say that there were or were not concrete walls? The conspiracy makes no sense, just ask Mr. Robertson.

3. This thread is not about what brought the towers down, it is about what was brought down, the towers themselves. The towers survived 110mph winds, and they were designed for 120mph, while probably capable of surviving 140mph because the method of construction was so good. The concrete tubular core kept the steel perfectly aligned in its maximum load bearing position. The hat truss was bearing on the top of the concrete tube which absolutely made the moment frames and transfer of sway into compression loads optimized. Moment frames and that transfer with that mechanism do not work well all in the same material because that which is trying to resist the flex, flexes as much as that which it is trying to brace and stiffen. The core resisted torsion supremely, so oscillation was gone.

3. So you agree that there was no "secret method of mass murder" , correct ? If not, you need to say what it was.




4. You continually fail to describe the conspiracy. Who all was supposedly involved? You get no credit for saying Rudy did it....(thats an LOL actually)
The towers were built way before Rudy came to NY. He had nothing to gain from the tower design. Even Silverstein had nothing to gain/lose. The buildings were insured. The insurance companies would be all over any "wall conspiracy". The Port Authority also has all the tower design info, so you need to see that there were way too many people involved to cover anything up. who would gain anything from disappearing concrete walls? No one Its a stupid conspiracy, really dumb.

5. They were also fine until the sunlight of September 11, 2001 hit them. Off topic herr kaiser.

5. what difference would it make if there was a concrete core or not? If the buildings stood for ~35-years, however they were built was fine. the "question is: what difference did it make if it had concrete walls or not? The towers didn't just "fall down" from bad design. The designs were reviewed by NIST and ASCE and many others who all said that the buildings, w/o concrete walls, fell exactly as engineers would expect.
If the jets didn't hit them the design was fine. I don't see where the "wall conspiracy" came from, its just stupidity.

6. Are you competing with divot for how much BS you can assert? Not a question herr kaiser.

6. I can provide the equations (mathematical proof) for the deflection of the WTC tower if you have any way of verifying them.
Do you want me to post equations for the wind load and deflection with and w/o concrete walls? <thats an on-topic question>
If I prove mathematically that the concrete couldn't possibly deflect 12' will you admit that there were no concrete walls, as everyone but you acknowledges?
Its engineering proof that the documented sway the towers experienced could not happen if concrete walls were present. Steel columns sway, concrete core walls don't. Thats engineering, not bullshit. Your conspiracy is bullshit.

stop stonewalling, I'm not stopping....

 

[Christophera]

You still have zero proof of concrete chunks all over ground zero....

I still have 10 times the independently verified evidence than you do for steel core columns and can say that which your masters, ther perpetrators would approve of, that the concrete broke up. Imagine that massive piece of concrete falling 400 feet.

Show me one piece steel core columns that have been subjected to and failed because of your panacaking floors. And, THEN the steel core columns you and FEMA try to assert existed id indeed exist, THEN they would be seen folded and bent into massive bundles. Show me those continuous steel core columns at grond zero after the pancaking floors bend them into wads.

If all you can find is cut up columns, you will have to explain how they were cut, because you cannot have it both ways.

Here is one closeup, proving that some photographers were allowed to take photos after9/11, and that there was no debris showing 3' thick concrete walls. All you collapse photos show are the unreinforced lightweight concrete floors turning to dust.

Look in the far pile and you can see the box columns that made up the core steel.

Your turn show me massive reinforced concrete wall chunks. If you can't you lose.

The steel you assert existed in the core area was continuous box column. You assert a collapse. Such steel will be mostly in one piece or show extreme bending to the point of trauma tear, fracture and break.

There is NOTHING like that anywhere in the photo.

This piece of concrete is so big, that posting the image will mess up the page. It is the WTC 1 north concrete core wall at its base. It is so huge it has a 3x7 foot utility hall running the length of it. The hall was used to make connections between the plumbing cast into the wall and that coming up fro the foundation.

Below, to the left of the flag is the same piece of concrete. Because that piece of concrete survived, 25 people were not crushed inthe stairway behind it.

 

[Christophera]

stop stonewalling, I'm not stopping....

Like ditzcon, you lie.

You are not answering and you are not accountable.

This is the only official depiction of the core structure of the Twins.

You stated it was well documented. The only plans that exist come fron silverstein and they have been digitally altered to appear as final drawings.

http://algoxy.com/psych/whatis9-11Disinfo_fakeplan.html

 

[creativedreams]

Here, let me slow it down for you. Listen and learn....

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nc5_5IJek8[/ame]

 

[DiveCon]

I still have 10 times the independently verified evidence than you do for steel core columns and can say that which your masters, ther perpetrators would approve of, that the concrete broke up. Imagine that massive piece of concrete falling 400 feet.

Show me one piece steel core columns that have been subjected to and failed because of your panacaking floors. And, THEN the steel core columns you and FEMA try to assert existed id indeed exist, THEN they would be seen folded and bent into massive bundles. Show me those continuous steel core columns at grond zero after the pancaking floors bend them into wads.

If all you can find is cut up columns, you will have to explain how they were cut, because you cannot have it both ways.

Here is one closeup, proving that some photographers were allowed to take photos after9/11, and that there was no debris showing 3' thick concrete walls. All you collapse photos show are the unreinforced lightweight concrete floors turning to dust.


Look in the far pile and you can see the box columns that made up the core steel.

Your turn show me massive reinforced concrete wall chunks. If you can't you lose.

The steel you assert existed in the core area was continuous box column. You assert a collapse. Such steel will be mostly in one piece or show extreme bending to the point of trauma tear, fracture and break.

There is NOTHING like that anywhere in the photo.

This piece of concrete is so big, that posting the image will mess up the page. It is the WTC 1 north concrete core wall at its base. It is so huge it has a 3x7 foot utility hall running the length of it. The hall was used to make connections between the plumbing cast into the wall and that coming up fro the foundation.

Below, to the left of the flag is the same piece of concrete. Because that piece of concrete survived, 25 people were not crushed inthe stairway behind it.

those are box columns you dumbfuck

 

[DiveCon]

stop stonewalling, I'm not stopping....

Like ditzcon, you lie.

You are not answering and you are not accountable.

This is the only official depiction of the core structure of the Twins.



You stated it was well documented. The only plans that exist come fron silverstein and they have been digitally altered to appear as final drawings.

The faked WTC 1 plans

you are the proven liar, asswipe
you should be flushed

 

[manu1959]

is someone asserting that there was a solid concrete core at the center of the wtc.....

http://news.webshots.com/album/553549502zqAUhE

ok waldo...find the concrete core....

 

[DiveCon]

is someone asserting that there was a solid concrete core at the center of the wtc.....

World Trade Center Construction pictures from history photos on webshots

ok waldo...find the concrete core....

you disinfo agent you

 

[Christophera]

is someone asserting that there was a solid concrete core at the center of the wtc.....

World Trade Center Construction pictures from history photos on webshots

ok waldo...find the concrete core....

An animation showing the east concrete core wall of WTC 1 exploding, to a point, then toppling and falling into the core.

An image showing the same piece of concrete shear wall as in the video frames above but taken from a helicopter.

The core of WTC 2 after all of the steel has gone down.

Your turn to show steel core columns in the core, ...... if they existed.

 

[kyzr]

I still have 10 times the independently verified evidence than you do for steel core columns and can say that which your masters, ther perpetrators would approve of, that the concrete broke up. Imagine that massive piece of concrete falling 400 feet.

Show me one piece steel core columns that have been subjected to and failed because of your panacaking floors. And, THEN the steel core columns you and FEMA try to assert existed id indeed exist, THEN they would be seen folded and bent into massive bundles. Show me those continuous steel core columns at grond zero after the pancaking floors bend them into wads.

If all you can find is cut up columns, you will have to explain how they were cut, because you cannot have it both ways.

Here is one closeup, proving that some photographers were allowed to take photos after9/11, and that there was no debris showing 3' thick concrete walls. All you collapse photos show are the unreinforced lightweight concrete floors turning to dust.

Look in the far pile and you can see the box columns that made up the core steel.
Your turn show me massive reinforced concrete wall chunks. If you can't you lose.

The steel you assert existed in the core area was continuous box column. You assert a collapse. Such steel will be mostly in one piece or show extreme bending to the point of trauma tear, fracture and break.

There is NOTHING like that anywhere in the photo.

This piece of concrete is so big, that posting the image will mess up the page. It is the WTC 1 north concrete core wall at its base. It is so huge it has a 3x7 foot utility hall running the length of it. The hall was used to make connections between the plumbing cast into the wall and that coming up fro the foundation.
Below, to the left of the flag is the same piece of concrete. Because that piece of concrete survived, 25 people were not crushed inthe stairway behind it.

You lose. Only an idiot thinks that steel columns are inside a concrete wall. You obviously have no idea what you are looking at, or how the WTC towers were designed. You don't see any rebars sticking out do you? Concrete walls need lots of rebars....I don't see any.

Those are steel columns...yes they are..uh-huh, steel columns, not concrete walls. Those great big box columns are core column sections, just like the drawings show, unless you think that Giuliani carried them there at night just to throw us off? he is one clever sneaky FBI dude isn't he? What a moronic thread this is.

 

[kyzr]

is someone asserting that there was a solid concrete core at the center of the wtc.....ok waldo...find the concrete core....

An animation showing the east concrete core wall of WTC 1 exploding, to a point, then toppling and falling into the core.
An image showing the same piece of concrete shear wall as in the video frames above but taken from a helicopter.
The core of WTC 2 after all of the steel has gone down.

Your turn to show steel core columns in the core, ...... if they existed.

Your photos of dust clouds doesn't show any concrete wall chunks. My photos show many box columns that were only used in the core. You lose because you can't show any 3' thick reinforced wall sections, and I showed you many box columns.

 

[DiveCon]

is someone asserting that there was a solid concrete core at the center of the wtc.....ok waldo...find the concrete core....

An animation showing the east concrete core wall of WTC 1 exploding, to a point, then toppling and falling into the core.
An image showing the same piece of concrete shear wall as in the video frames above but taken from a helicopter.
The core of WTC 2 after all of the steel has gone down.

Your turn to show steel core columns in the core, ...... if they existed.

Your photos of dust clouds doesn't show any concrete wall chunks. My photos show many box columns that were only used in the core. You lose because you can't show any 3' thick reinforced wall sections, and I showed you many box columns.

he has had lots of photos proving the steel column core, he just denies they have ever been posted
hes a fucking moron

 

[Christophera]

Here is one closeup, proving that some photographers were allowed to take photos after9/11, and that there was no debris showing 3' thick concrete walls. All you collapse photos show are the unreinforced lightweight concrete floors turning to dust.


Look in the far pile and you can see the box columns that made up the core steel.

Your turn show me massive reinforced concrete wall chunks. If you can't you lose.

The steel you assert existed in the core area was continuous box column. You assert a collapse. Such steel will be mostly in one piece or show extreme bending to the point of trauma tear, fracture and break.

There is NOTHING like that anywhere in the photo.

This piece of concrete is so big, that posting the image will mess up the page. It is the WTC 1 north concrete core wall at its base. It is so huge it has a 3x7 foot utility hall running the length of it. The hall was used to make connections between the plumbing cast into the wall and that coming up fro the foundation.

Below, to the left of the flag is the same piece of concrete. Because that piece of concrete survived, 25 people were not crushed inthe stairway behind it.

those are box columns you dumbfuck

I didn't remove the photo that is not there to refer to. Your efforts to confuse only show that you protect the perpetrators.

The photo did not have any FULL LENGTH columns involved with a pancake collapse. herr kaiser has not yet posted any.