Firefighters Say Rudy Giuliani "Ran Like a Coward" on 9/11, Now for Sec. of State?

[SassyIrishLass]

Obama and Hillary Clinton knew the security situation in Libya was deteriorating and the security at the diplomatic compound was Inadequate yet did nothing and they knew this months before the attack not 39 minutes.

And Ronald Reagan was told days ahead of the barracks bombing in Beirut,

BS The CIA said an attack was possible but didn't know when, where or the time. Stop making shit up to suit your agenda

 

[martybegan]

The way a captain runs away from a sinking ship?

A captain may be actually able to do something with regards to the Ship. What could have a Mayor accomplished by staying there?

Attack Rudy for any legitimate reason you want, but this is beyond bush league.

 

[Claudette]

Abandoned his post? Where the hell was Rudy's post? Everybody ran when the Towers started falling except N.Y's bravest. New York's Firefighters had a mission to try to save the people in the Towers but Rudy was the freaking mayor. This is just more bullshit generated by the left.

I agree and one of the towers held the state of the art command center for the NYPD. Once the tower was hit nothing worked.

From everything I've read Rudy was one hell of a Mayor and his actions during 9/11 are to be commended.

 

[Fang]

So let's be clear here. Accoring to Liberals, Rudy Giuliani, the Mayor of New York, was supposed to run into the falling twin towers and go down with the buildings much like a captain goes down with his ship. And these Liberals wonder why Republicans now own the White House,. Senate, House and the vast majority of States. smh

 

[SassyIrishLass]

So let's be clear here. Accoring to Liberals, Rudy Giuliani, the Mayor of New York, was supposed to run into the falling twin towers and go down with the buildings much like a captain goes down with his ship. And these Liberals wonder why Republicans now own the White House,. Senate, House and the vast majority of States. smh

Yeah...like any of them would

 

[Rustic]

Said he was told the South Tower was going to fall, so he abandoned his post under fire to save his own ass without telling anybody. Now Trump is considering him for Secretary of State? Also arranged the destruction of the steel evidence to be shipped to China and melted.

This is NYC firefighters dogging him on the campaign trail when he was running for president. Hero of 9/11 my ass.

Not to mention Rudy is basically a gangster with close ties to his convicted gangster buddy Bernie Kerik. These people are thugs.

 

[OldLady]

Said he was told the South Tower was going to fall, so he abandoned his post under fire to save his own ass without telling anybody. Now Trump is considering him for Secretary of State? Also arranged the destruction of the steel evidence to be shipped to China and melted.

This is NYC firefighters dogging him on the campaign trail when he was running for president. Hero of 9/11 my ass.

Not to mention Rudy is basically a gangster with close ties to his convicted gangster buddy Bernie Kerik. These people are thugs.

Was he supposed to stand his ground and die? Did the firefighters telling that story do that? Guess not, they lived to tell the tale.
Stupid slam, imo.

 

[FJO]

The way a captain runs away from a sinking ship?

It would be hard to "run away" from a ship, sinking or otherwise.

The ship I was on, the captain was having a cocktail in the lounge, while the ship was going down.

 

[jknowgood]

Obama and Hillary Clinton knew the security situation in Libya was deteriorating and the security at the diplomatic compound was Inadequate yet did nothing and they knew this months before the attack not 39 minutes.

And Ronald Reagan was told days ahead of the barracks bombing in Beirut, What did Reagan do after he was advised to move the troops? Refused to move them and 242 troops died, Quite a bit of a bigger deal than Benghazi in the real world, but not to the a specific group of ideologues. Oh and the Reagan White House took a week before they admitted they were warned, after a leak from the CIA. In the aftermath, just a short investigation and even shorter hearings.
But please, keep it up with your obsession.

Please keep up your obsession of using one mistake to justify or excuse another.

I understand why you don't like to have Beirut and Benghazi side by side. 242 dead versus 4. But then 4 still counts, shouldn't of happened.
Your bright idea about bringing up Benghazi, is off topic, illustrating your obsession with Benghazi.
Therefore, your above post is totally hypocritical of you.

The point of bringing up Benghazi is to show the contrast between dealing with the worst attack on the U.S. since Pearl Harbor as it's happening and missing something that there were warning signs about for months. People want trash Rudy Giuliani for supposedly missing something on 9-11 when all hell is breaking lose around him and he's getting tons information a lot of it probably contradictory. If people could miss stuff about Benghazi working under far calmer circumstances Imagine what is like dealing with 9-11 on the ground that is the point that went so clearly over your head.

There are many, many other examples you could of used but you just had to use Benghazi.
See that's what happens when you have been obsessed something for way too long.
Now, if we keep this up it will be like an unbroken circle going on and on. I'm right, you are wrong.

Yeah Obama picked someone who gave classified information to our enemies.

 

[OldLady]

The way a captain runs away from a sinking ship?

It would be hard to "run away" from a ship, sinking or otherwise.

The ship I was on, the captain was having a cocktail in the lounge, while the ship was going down.

Did he drown? That's sad. I would be drinking, too.

 

[FJO]

The way a captain runs away from a sinking ship?

It would be hard to "run away" from a ship, sinking or otherwise.

The ship I was on, the captain was having a cocktail in the lounge, while the ship was going down.

Did he drown? That's sad. I would be drinking, too.

No, he did not. The ship was on the river Danube, in a lift-lock.

We were all having a good time.

 

[esthermoon]

The same firefighters who looted Ground Zero?

Did they really do that?
I heard NYC firefighters were some kind of heroes in 2001!

 

[Weatherman2020]

Said he was told the South Tower was going to fall, so he abandoned his post under fire to save his own ass without telling anybody. Now Trump is considering him for Secretary of State? Also arranged the destruction of the steel evidence to be shipped to China and melted.

This is NYC firefighters dogging him on the campaign trail when he was running for president. Hero of 9/11 my ass.

Not to mention Rudy is basically a gangster with close ties to his convicted gangster buddy Bernie Kerik. These people are thugs.

The fascist left again.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

This thread is beyond pathetic....

 

[kiwiman127]

Obama and Hillary Clinton knew the security situation in Libya was deteriorating and the security at the diplomatic compound was Inadequate yet did nothing and they knew this months before the attack not 39 minutes.

And Ronald Reagan was told days ahead of the barracks bombing in Beirut,

BS The CIA said an attack was possible but didn't know when, where or the time. Stop making shit up to suit your agenda

From Fox News:

WASHINGTON – A former defense secretary for Ronald Reagan says he implored the president to put Marines serving in Beirut in a safer position before terrorists attacked them in 1983, killing 241 servicemen.
"I was not persuasive enough to persuade the president that the Marines were there on an impossible mission," Caspar Weinberger says in an oral history project capturing the views of former Reagan administration officials.
Recollections of an initial 25 Reagan aides were released this week by the Miller Center of Public Affairs at the University of Virginia. Altogether, scholars interviewed 45 Cabinet members, White House staffers and campaign advisers in a project begun in 2001, when Reagan was secluded with advanced stages of Alzheimer's disease. Reagan died in June 2004 at the age of 93.
Transcripts offer largely admiring portraits by Reagan's chief loyalists and Weinberger is no exception, crediting the president with restoring U.S. power and outfoxing the Soviet Union.
But he said one of his greatest regrets was in failing to overcome the arguments that "'Marines don't cut and run,' and 'We can't leave because we're there"' before the devastating suicide attack on the lightly armed force.
"They had no mission but to sit at the airport, which is just like sitting in a bull's-eye," Weinberger said. "I begged the president at least to pull them back and put them back on their transports as a more defensible position."
Aide: Reagan Left Marines Vulnerable in Beirut

=======================================
The suicide truck attack on October 23 stunned the world. Yet, as Colin Powell, who was then a major general, later observed in his autobiography: "Since [the Muslims] could not reach the battleship, they found a more vulnerable target, the exposed Marines at the airport."
The Reagan administration sought to deflect blame for the attack with smokescreens of false statements and misrepresentations. In a televised speech four days after the bombing, Reagan portrayed the attack as unstoppable, declaring that the truck "crashed through a series of barriers, including a chain-link fence and barbed-wire entanglements. The guards opened fire, but it was too late." Reagan claimed the attack proved the U.S. mission was succeeding: "Would the terrorists have launched their suicide attacks against the multinational force if it were not doing its job? . . . It is accomplishing its mission." Reagan also said the United States was involved in the Middle East in part to secure a "solution to the Palestinian problem."
Reagan sent Marine Corps commander Paul X. Kelley to Beirut. Kelley quickly announced that he was "totally satisfied" with the security around the barracks at the time of the bombing. Upon returning to Washington, Kelley was summoned to Capitol Hill; Kelley inaccurately testified that the Marine guards had loaded weapons and that two of them had been killed in the attack. In 1983, as now, the issue of the security and survival of American troops was overshadowed by the flaunting of the feelings of high-ranking government officials. When congressmen persisted questioning, Kelley became enraged and shouted: "We’re talking about clips in weapons, but we’re not talking about the people who did it. I want to find the perpetrators. I want to bring them to justice! You have to allow me this one moment of anger."
Even though there had already been numerous major car bombings in Beirut that year and scores of other suicide attacks, Kelley told Congress that the truck bombing "represents a new and unique terrorist threat, one that could not have been anticipated by any commander." Kelley denied the Marines received any warning of an impending attack. However, on the morning of Kelley’s second day of testimony, the New York Times reported that the CIA specifically warned the Marines three days ahead of time that an Iranian-linked group was planning an attack against them.
Top military officials brazenly denied that the U.S. government deserved any culpability in the deaths of hundreds of American soldiers. Vice Admiral Edward Martin, the commander of the Sixth Fleet, declared: "The only person I can see who was responsible was the driver of that truck." Martin stressed absurdly in an interview: "You have to remember that prior to Oct. 23, there hadn’t been any real terrorism threat."
The Reagan administration sought to distract attention from the military’s appalling incompetence. For instance, the Marines failed to defend all approaches to the barracks. Thomas Friedman reported in the New York Times shortly after the bombing: "The Marines almost never used the entry from the parking lot south of their headquarters, where the suicide bomber drove in. The area was blocked off to civilian traffic and was used only as a helicopter landing pad. Judging from conversations with marines and Lebanese Army officers, it is clear they thought that because they did not use that entrance no one else would think of it." The Marines also neglected to install the type of speed bumps and metal spikes around their barracks that the British used in Northern Ireland.
20 Years Later: Nothing Learned, So More American Soldiers Will Die by James Bovard

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Obama and Hillary Clinton knew the security situation in Libya was deteriorating and the security at the diplomatic compound was Inadequate yet did nothing and they knew this months before the attack not 39 minutes.

And Ronald Reagan was told days ahead of the barracks bombing in Beirut,

BS The CIA said an attack was possible but didn't know when, where or the time. Stop making shit up to suit your agenda

From Fox News:

WASHINGTON – A former defense secretary for Ronald Reagan says he implored the president to put Marines serving in Beirut in a safer position before terrorists attacked them in 1983, killing 241 servicemen.
"I was not persuasive enough to persuade the president that the Marines were there on an impossible mission," Caspar Weinberger says in an oral history project capturing the views of former Reagan administration officials.
Recollections of an initial 25 Reagan aides were released this week by the Miller Center of Public Affairs at the University of Virginia. Altogether, scholars interviewed 45 Cabinet members, White House staffers and campaign advisers in a project begun in 2001, when Reagan was secluded with advanced stages of Alzheimer's disease. Reagan died in June 2004 at the age of 93.
Transcripts offer largely admiring portraits by Reagan's chief loyalists and Weinberger is no exception, crediting the president with restoring U.S. power and outfoxing the Soviet Union.
But he said one of his greatest regrets was in failing to overcome the arguments that "'Marines don't cut and run,' and 'We can't leave because we're there"' before the devastating suicide attack on the lightly armed force.
"They had no mission but to sit at the airport, which is just like sitting in a bull's-eye," Weinberger said. "I begged the president at least to pull them back and put them back on their transports as a more defensible position."
Aide: Reagan Left Marines Vulnerable in Beirut

=======================================
The suicide truck attack on October 23 stunned the world. Yet, as Colin Powell, who was then a major general, later observed in his autobiography: "Since [the Muslims] could not reach the battleship, they found a more vulnerable target, the exposed Marines at the airport."
The Reagan administration sought to deflect blame for the attack with smokescreens of false statements and misrepresentations. In a televised speech four days after the bombing, Reagan portrayed the attack as unstoppable, declaring that the truck "crashed through a series of barriers, including a chain-link fence and barbed-wire entanglements. The guards opened fire, but it was too late." Reagan claimed the attack proved the U.S. mission was succeeding: "Would the terrorists have launched their suicide attacks against the multinational force if it were not doing its job? . . . It is accomplishing its mission." Reagan also said the United States was involved in the Middle East in part to secure a "solution to the Palestinian problem."
Reagan sent Marine Corps commander Paul X. Kelley to Beirut. Kelley quickly announced that he was "totally satisfied" with the security around the barracks at the time of the bombing. Upon returning to Washington, Kelley was summoned to Capitol Hill; Kelley inaccurately testified that the Marine guards had loaded weapons and that two of them had been killed in the attack. In 1983, as now, the issue of the security and survival of American troops was overshadowed by the flaunting of the feelings of high-ranking government officials. When congressmen persisted questioning, Kelley became enraged and shouted: "We’re talking about clips in weapons, but we’re not talking about the people who did it. I want to find the perpetrators. I want to bring them to justice! You have to allow me this one moment of anger."
Even though there had already been numerous major car bombings in Beirut that year and scores of other suicide attacks, Kelley told Congress that the truck bombing "represents a new and unique terrorist threat, one that could not have been anticipated by any commander." Kelley denied the Marines received any warning of an impending attack. However, on the morning of Kelley’s second day of testimony, the New York Times reported that the CIA specifically warned the Marines three days ahead of time that an Iranian-linked group was planning an attack against them.
Top military officials brazenly denied that the U.S. government deserved any culpability in the deaths of hundreds of American soldiers. Vice Admiral Edward Martin, the commander of the Sixth Fleet, declared: "The only person I can see who was responsible was the driver of that truck." Martin stressed absurdly in an interview: "You have to remember that prior to Oct. 23, there hadn’t been any real terrorism threat."
The Reagan administration sought to distract attention from the military’s appalling incompetence. For instance, the Marines failed to defend all approaches to the barracks. Thomas Friedman reported in the New York Times shortly after the bombing: "The Marines almost never used the entry from the parking lot south of their headquarters, where the suicide bomber drove in. The area was blocked off to civilian traffic and was used only as a helicopter landing pad. Judging from conversations with marines and Lebanese Army officers, it is clear they thought that because they did not use that entrance no one else would think of it." The Marines also neglected to install the type of speed bumps and metal spikes around their barracks that the British used in Northern Ireland.
20 Years Later: Nothing Learned, So More American Soldiers Will Die by James Bovard

From your beloved NY Slimes...

The warning did not predict the exact time, type or target of an attack, according to the officials, but nevertheless stood out from the flow of vague rumors and imprecise intelligence about terrorist activities in Lebanon. 'A Heads-Up, a Warning'

REAGAN AIDES SAY C.I.A. BULLETIN WARNED OF LIKELY BEIRUT ATTACK

 

[Rambunctious]

Giuliani was at ground zero, if anyone thinks that is cowardly they need to have their head examined...

 

[LeftofLeft]

LOL, it is not the job of a mayor to run into burning buildings or stay in place while a building collapses on his head. This thread is ludicrous.

Before 9-11 he didn't implement new radios so different departments could communicate with each other in an emergency, but you are ignorant of the fact living in flyover land

Radio compatibility for first responders vs. the deputy attorney general who put out the memo 6 years earlier that law enforcement agencies should not share intelligence.

 

[Camp]

The same firefighters who looted Ground Zero?

You should be able to back up a claim like that. I suspect the lie comes from an allegation made in an early book by William Langewiesche that reported folded and tagged jeans from a gap store being allegedly discovered in or near Ladder Truck #4 after it was uncovered from the debris of the South Tower. When the story was debunked almost immediately after the book was published, the author had no defense for his outrageous claim and could not back it up. Just an ugly fake story made up to help book sales.
All the Ladder Truck #4 firemen were lost a half hour after they arrived at the scene and buried under the rubble of the South Tower when it collapsed on them.

 

[kiwiman127]

Obama and Hillary Clinton knew the security situation in Libya was deteriorating and the security at the diplomatic compound was Inadequate yet did nothing and they knew this months before the attack not 39 minutes.

And Ronald Reagan was told days ahead of the barracks bombing in Beirut,

BS The CIA said an attack was possible but didn't know when, where or the time. Stop making shit up to suit your agenda

From Fox News:

WASHINGTON – A former defense secretary for Ronald Reagan says he implored the president to put Marines serving in Beirut in a safer position before terrorists attacked them in 1983, killing 241 servicemen.
"I was not persuasive enough to persuade the president that the Marines were there on an impossible mission," Caspar Weinberger says in an oral history project capturing the views of former Reagan administration officials.
Recollections of an initial 25 Reagan aides were released this week by the Miller Center of Public Affairs at the University of Virginia. Altogether, scholars interviewed 45 Cabinet members, White House staffers and campaign advisers in a project begun in 2001, when Reagan was secluded with advanced stages of Alzheimer's disease. Reagan died in June 2004 at the age of 93.
Transcripts offer largely admiring portraits by Reagan's chief loyalists and Weinberger is no exception, crediting the president with restoring U.S. power and outfoxing the Soviet Union.
But he said one of his greatest regrets was in failing to overcome the arguments that "'Marines don't cut and run,' and 'We can't leave because we're there"' before the devastating suicide attack on the lightly armed force.
"They had no mission but to sit at the airport, which is just like sitting in a bull's-eye," Weinberger said. "I begged the president at least to pull them back and put them back on their transports as a more defensible position."
Aide: Reagan Left Marines Vulnerable in Beirut

=======================================
The suicide truck attack on October 23 stunned the world. Yet, as Colin Powell, who was then a major general, later observed in his autobiography: "Since [the Muslims] could not reach the battleship, they found a more vulnerable target, the exposed Marines at the airport."
The Reagan administration sought to deflect blame for the attack with smokescreens of false statements and misrepresentations. In a televised speech four days after the bombing, Reagan portrayed the attack as unstoppable, declaring that the truck "crashed through a series of barriers, including a chain-link fence and barbed-wire entanglements. The guards opened fire, but it was too late." Reagan claimed the attack proved the U.S. mission was succeeding: "Would the terrorists have launched their suicide attacks against the multinational force if it were not doing its job? . . . It is accomplishing its mission." Reagan also said the United States was involved in the Middle East in part to secure a "solution to the Palestinian problem."
Reagan sent Marine Corps commander Paul X. Kelley to Beirut. Kelley quickly announced that he was "totally satisfied" with the security around the barracks at the time of the bombing. Upon returning to Washington, Kelley was summoned to Capitol Hill; Kelley inaccurately testified that the Marine guards had loaded weapons and that two of them had been killed in the attack. In 1983, as now, the issue of the security and survival of American troops was overshadowed by the flaunting of the feelings of high-ranking government officials. When congressmen persisted questioning, Kelley became enraged and shouted: "We’re talking about clips in weapons, but we’re not talking about the people who did it. I want to find the perpetrators. I want to bring them to justice! You have to allow me this one moment of anger."
Even though there had already been numerous major car bombings in Beirut that year and scores of other suicide attacks, Kelley told Congress that the truck bombing "represents a new and unique terrorist threat, one that could not have been anticipated by any commander." Kelley denied the Marines received any warning of an impending attack. However, on the morning of Kelley’s second day of testimony, the New York Times reported that the CIA specifically warned the Marines three days ahead of time that an Iranian-linked group was planning an attack against them.
Top military officials brazenly denied that the U.S. government deserved any culpability in the deaths of hundreds of American soldiers. Vice Admiral Edward Martin, the commander of the Sixth Fleet, declared: "The only person I can see who was responsible was the driver of that truck." Martin stressed absurdly in an interview: "You have to remember that prior to Oct. 23, there hadn’t been any real terrorism threat."
The Reagan administration sought to distract attention from the military’s appalling incompetence. For instance, the Marines failed to defend all approaches to the barracks. Thomas Friedman reported in the New York Times shortly after the bombing: "The Marines almost never used the entry from the parking lot south of their headquarters, where the suicide bomber drove in. The area was blocked off to civilian traffic and was used only as a helicopter landing pad. Judging from conversations with marines and Lebanese Army officers, it is clear they thought that because they did not use that entrance no one else would think of it." The Marines also neglected to install the type of speed bumps and metal spikes around their barracks that the British used in Northern Ireland.
20 Years Later: Nothing Learned, So More American Soldiers Will Die by James Bovard

From your beloved NY Slimes...

The warning did not predict the exact time, type or target of an attack, according to the officials, but nevertheless stood out from the flow of vague rumors and imprecise intelligence about terrorist activities in Lebanon. 'A Heads-Up, a Warning'

REAGAN AIDES SAY C.I.A. BULLETIN WARNED OF LIKELY BEIRUT ATTACK

And it's says,,,,
"Even though there had already been numerous major car bombings in Beirut that year and scores of other suicide attacks, Kelley told Congress that the truck bombing "represents a new and unique terrorist threat, one that could not have been anticipated by any commander." Kelley denied the Marines received any warning of an impending attack. However, on the morning of Kelley’s second day of testimony, the New York Times reported that the CIA specifically warned the Marines three days ahead of time that an Iranian-linked group was planning an attack against them.

And this from Weinberger;

But he said one of his greatest regrets was in failing to overcome the arguments that "'Marines don't cut and run,' and 'We can't leave because we're there"' before the devastating suicide attack on the lightly armed force.
"They had no mission but to sit at the airport, which is just like sitting in a bull's-eye," Weinberger said. "I begged the president at least to pull them back and put them back on their transports as a more defensible position."

In other words, the Reagan was warned. Now usually if you are warned about an attack, you don't keep on doing what your doing. For starters, the guards should have ammo in the guns and second as you set up a defense or (Weinberger suggested to Reagan) move to a more secure area.
It's really the simple.
Sassy, if you were in charge, you would have done nothing, so all those lives would have been lost. Most thinkers would have reacted, particularly due to the fact that there had been major car bombings in the area in recent times.