FISA Judge Finally Reacts; Too Little, Too Late; Destroy FISA Courts to Protect Citizen Privacy

[JimBowie1958]

This judge is just doing some CYA, but it is too little; all FISA warrants should be reviewed, and it should have been done years ago when Nunez published his memo that proved 100% accurate about how FISA warrants were being abused.

There is no such thing as reforming current FISA law to protect Americans right to privacy when such fascists are running the whole kit and kaboodle.

FISA Orders Review of Warrant Applications by Ex-FBI Lawyer Clinesmith

Horowitz found that the FBI completely ignored the FISA condition that it be informed of any changes to the documents used to obtain approval to the spy on Page.

According to the Horowitz IG report, Comey as FBI director said that he did not always fully review FISA applications before certifying them, reading only the description at times.

The former FBI director had reservations about signing the Carter Page FISA request based on a source the federal government knew was connected to the opposite political side and whose information “had not yet been corroborated.”

Comey said that the reason he signed the FISA was that he believed in “probable cause” that “Page was an agent for a foreign power.”​

 

[OldLady]

This judge is just doing some CYA, but it is too little; all FISA warrants should be reviewed, and it should have been done years ago when Nunez published his memo that proved 100% accurate about how FISA warrants were being abused.

There is no such thing as reforming current FISA law to protect Americans right to privacy when such fascists are running the whole kit and kaboodle.

FISA Orders Review of Warrant Applications by Ex-FBI Lawyer Clinesmith

Horowitz found that the FBI completely ignored the FISA condition that it be informed of any changes to the documents used to obtain approval to the spy on Page.

According to the Horowitz IG report, Comey as FBI director said that he did not always fully review FISA applications before certifying them, reading only the description at times.

The former FBI director had reservations about signing the Carter Page FISA request based on a source the federal government knew was connected to the opposite political side and whose information “had not yet been corroborated.”

Comey said that the reason he signed the FISA was that he believed in “probable cause” that “Page was an agent for a foreign power.”​

Comey said that the reason he signed the FISA was that he believed in “probable cause” that “Page was an agent for a foreign power.”

This is it in a nutshell. If you were a cop in the middle of an investigation and could smell the crook from a mile away, you too would do your best to continue surveillance.
The Russian interference in our election was far more than foreign officials voicing their opinion on which candidate they liked. It was a concerted, hidden effort to change the minds of American voters. And the hacks and giving them to wikileaks were just plain criminal. If Americans were working with our historic adversary Russia to accomplish this, don't you think we ought to know who?
That is all that was behind it. Comey said at some point that they were worried those sneaky Russians were "playing" Trump's campaign without them even being aware. Ol' Putin, being KGB, is a master at that.

No witch hunt. No wish to get rid of Trump because he was a Republican. The investigation by the FBI and then the Mueller team was for the simple purpose of getting the evidence and hopefully preventing it from happening again.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Comey said that the reason he signed the FISA was that he believed in “probable cause” that “Page was an agent for a foreign power.”
This is it in a nutshell. If you were a cop in the middle of an investigation and could smell the crook from a mile away, you too would do your best to continue surveillance.
...
No witch hunt. No wish to get rid of Trump because he was a Republican. The investigation by the FBI and then the Mueller team was for the simple purpose of getting the evidence and hopefully preventing it from happening again.

OL, the FBI had already been notified by the CIA that Page was an information source for them.

There was ZERO basis for continuing the spying on Page.

 

[OldLady]

Comey said that the reason he signed the FISA was that he believed in “probable cause” that “Page was an agent for a foreign power.”
This is it in a nutshell. If you were a cop in the middle of an investigation and could smell the crook from a mile away, you too would do your best to continue surveillance.
...
No witch hunt. No wish to get rid of Trump because he was a Republican. The investigation by the FBI and then the Mueller team was for the simple purpose of getting the evidence and hopefully preventing it from happening again.

OL, the FBI had already been notified by the CIA that Page was an information source for them.

There was ZERO basis for continuing the spying on Page.

I think the cops might have a little more information to base that on than you. Just sayin.

 

[eagle1462010]

This judge is just doing some CYA, but it is too little; all FISA warrants should be reviewed, and it should have been done years ago when Nunez published his memo that proved 100% accurate about how FISA warrants were being abused.

There is no such thing as reforming current FISA law to protect Americans right to privacy when such fascists are running the whole kit and kaboodle.

FISA Orders Review of Warrant Applications by Ex-FBI Lawyer Clinesmith

Horowitz found that the FBI completely ignored the FISA condition that it be informed of any changes to the documents used to obtain approval to the spy on Page.

According to the Horowitz IG report, Comey as FBI director said that he did not always fully review FISA applications before certifying them, reading only the description at times.

The former FBI director had reservations about signing the Carter Page FISA request based on a source the federal government knew was connected to the opposite political side and whose information “had not yet been corroborated.”

Comey said that the reason he signed the FISA was that he believed in “probable cause” that “Page was an agent for a foreign power.”​

Comey said that the reason he signed the FISA was that he believed in “probable cause” that “Page was an agent for a foreign power.”

This is it in a nutshell. If you were a cop in the middle of an investigation and could smell the crook from a mile away, you too would do your best to continue surveillance.
The Russian interference in our election was far more than foreign officials voicing their opinion on which candidate they liked. It was a concerted, hidden effort to change the minds of American voters. And the hacks and giving them to wikileaks were just plain criminal. If Americans were working with our historic adversary Russia to accomplish this, don't you think we ought to know who?
That is all that was behind it. Comey said at some point that they were worried those sneaky Russians were "playing" Trump's campaign without them even being aware. Ol' Putin, being KGB, is a master at that.

No witch hunt. No wish to get rid of Trump because he was a Republican. The investigation by the FBI and then the Mueller team was for the simple purpose of getting the evidence and hopefully preventing it from happening again.

Carter was CIA working for us........lol

BS

 

[eagle1462010]

Comey said that the reason he signed the FISA was that he believed in “probable cause” that “Page was an agent for a foreign power.”
This is it in a nutshell. If you were a cop in the middle of an investigation and could smell the crook from a mile away, you too would do your best to continue surveillance.
...
No witch hunt. No wish to get rid of Trump because he was a Republican. The investigation by the FBI and then the Mueller team was for the simple purpose of getting the evidence and hopefully preventing it from happening again.

OL, the FBI had already been notified by the CIA that Page was an information source for them.

There was ZERO basis for continuing the spying on Page.

I think the cops might have a little more information to base that on than you. Just sayin.

NSA and FISA smoked their dirty asses out before Trump was even elected.............That was confirmed via the court before this was ever an issue............


Probably why Admiral Rogers is working with the DOJ right now.......oops.....

 

[Penelope]

We need the Fisa court more than ever now.

 

[Penelope]

Comey said that the reason he signed the FISA was that he believed in “probable cause” that “Page was an agent for a foreign power.”
This is it in a nutshell. If you were a cop in the middle of an investigation and could smell the crook from a mile away, you too would do your best to continue surveillance.
...
No witch hunt. No wish to get rid of Trump because he was a Republican. The investigation by the FBI and then the Mueller team was for the simple purpose of getting the evidence and hopefully preventing it from happening again.

OL, the FBI had already been notified by the CIA that Page was an information source for them.

There was ZERO basis for continuing the spying on Page.

I think the cops might have a little more information to base that on than you. Just sayin.

NSA and FISA smoked their dirty asses out before Trump was even elected.............That was confirmed via the court before this was ever an issue............


Probably why Admiral Rogers is working with the DOJ right now.......oops.....

Put a link up for that assumption where Rogers , who is retired, is working with the DOJ right now??

 

[eagle1462010]

We need the Fisa court more than ever now.

Flip Flop.

Perhaps one day you will make up your minds.........

I was for it until they Weaponized it against Americans..............and they most certainly did......the Courts already judged that........

And now they are going ........please don't get rid of us........lol

 

[eagle1462010]

Comey said that the reason he signed the FISA was that he believed in “probable cause” that “Page was an agent for a foreign power.”
This is it in a nutshell. If you were a cop in the middle of an investigation and could smell the crook from a mile away, you too would do your best to continue surveillance.
...
No witch hunt. No wish to get rid of Trump because he was a Republican. The investigation by the FBI and then the Mueller team was for the simple purpose of getting the evidence and hopefully preventing it from happening again.

OL, the FBI had already been notified by the CIA that Page was an information source for them.

There was ZERO basis for continuing the spying on Page.

I think the cops might have a little more information to base that on than you. Just sayin.

NSA and FISA smoked their dirty asses out before Trump was even elected.............That was confirmed via the court before this was ever an issue............


Probably why Admiral Rogers is working with the DOJ right now.......oops.....

Put a link up for that assumption where Rogers , who is retired, is working with the DOJ right now??

There was a thread on it...........and it showed it...........and my other information proves the old stuff with Admiral Rogers.....

GOOGLE ROGERS........working with the DOJ.......or not.....I don't care.

 

[gipper]

The FBI based their investigation on the Steele Dossier, which any 12 year old could tell was frivolous made up bs.

They clearly intended to subvert a presidential campaign, because they too knew the dossier was garbage and was Hillary’s doing.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Well, it is looking more and more like the FISA laws will not get renewed this March, I think it is.

When conservatives like Nunez want to end FISA it doesnt look very good for its renewal.
Nunes: FISA Court 'Culpable' in Russia Madness Should End

 

[iamwhatiseem]

This judge is just doing some CYA, but it is too little; all FISA warrants should be reviewed, and it should have been done years ago when Nunez published his memo that proved 100% accurate about how FISA warrants were being abused.

There is no such thing as reforming current FISA law to protect Americans right to privacy when such fascists are running the whole kit and kaboodle.

FISA Orders Review of Warrant Applications by Ex-FBI Lawyer Clinesmith

Horowitz found that the FBI completely ignored the FISA condition that it be informed of any changes to the documents used to obtain approval to the spy on Page.

According to the Horowitz IG report, Comey as FBI director said that he did not always fully review FISA applications before certifying them, reading only the description at times.

The former FBI director had reservations about signing the Carter Page FISA request based on a source the federal government knew was connected to the opposite political side and whose information “had not yet been corroborated.”

Comey said that the reason he signed the FISA was that he believed in “probable cause” that “Page was an agent for a foreign power.”​

Comey said that the reason he signed the FISA was that he believed in “probable cause” that “Page was an agent for a foreign power.”

This is it in a nutshell. If you were a cop in the middle of an investigation and could smell the crook from a mile away, you too would do your best to continue surveillance.
The Russian interference in our election was far more than foreign officials voicing their opinion on which candidate they liked. It was a concerted, hidden effort to change the minds of American voters. And the hacks and giving them to wikileaks were just plain criminal. If Americans were working with our historic adversary Russia to accomplish this, don't you think we ought to know who?
That is all that was behind it. Comey said at some point that they were worried those sneaky Russians were "playing" Trump's campaign without them even being aware. Ol' Putin, being KGB, is a master at that.

No witch hunt. No wish to get rid of Trump because he was a Republican. The investigation by the FBI and then the Mueller team was for the simple purpose of getting the evidence and hopefully preventing it from happening again.

Could not disagree more.
Forget this investigation, forget Trump, Mueller all of it... and look at the BIGGER picture.
In this country, indeed in any free society with individual rights - it is IMPERATIVE that law enforcement investigates the crime - not the individual. I cannot believe how many people here and elsewhere cannot seem to grasp the difference. The difference is a society that is free, the other is not.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

FISA Courts have been around since 1978, never heard anyone whine about them until now why is that?

 

[iamwhatiseem]

FISA Courts have been around since 1978, never heard anyone whine about them until now why is that?

Perhaps they were not abused before.

 

[OldLady]

Well, it is looking more and more like the FISA laws will not get renewed this March, I think it is.

When conservatives like Nunez want to end FISA it doesnt look very good for its renewal.
Nunes: FISA Court 'Culpable' in Russia Madness Should End

My understanding is that there is a hot debate over the FISA court's existence every time it is renewed. There have always been a lot of people who were opposed to it and still are.

I worry about terrorists and other enemies of the United States and it seems the FISA court allows us to surveil US citizens suspected of foreign dirty dealings. I'm not sure what would take its place if it were gone.

I think there is a reason -- besides having an ocean between us and the Middle East -- that we have not had a lot of terrorist attacks since 9/11. Something is working. Is FISA part of it?

 

[OldLady]

FISA Courts have been around since 1978, never heard anyone whine about them until now why is that?

Oh, there has been 'whining' for a lot of years. Slowly eroding privacy and all that. Eroding trust in our intelligence agencies. Increasing government interference in our personal business. It's been there and is argued every time it is renewed.

 

[eagle1462010]

Well, it is looking more and more like the FISA laws will not get renewed this March, I think it is.

When conservatives like Nunez want to end FISA it doesnt look very good for its renewal.
Nunes: FISA Court 'Culpable' in Russia Madness Should End

My understanding is that there is a hot debate over the FISA court's existence every time it is renewed. There have always been a lot of people who were opposed to it and still are.

I worry about terrorists and other enemies of the United States and it seems the FISA court allows us to surveil US citizens suspected of foreign dirty dealings. I'm not sure what would take its place if it were gone.

I think there is a reason -- besides having an ocean between us and the Middle East -- that we have not had a lot of terrorist attacks since 9/11. Something is working. Is FISA part of it?

And after years of abusing it.........I said years............they should be questioned on whether they serve the purpose as intended.

The Uncovering – Mike Rogers’ Investigation, Section 702 FISA...

 

[JimBowie1958]

Oh, there has been 'whining' for a lot of years. Slowly eroding privacy and all that. Eroding trust in our intelligence agencies. Increasing government interference in our personal business. It's been there and is argued every time it is renewed.

Yeah, its just the Bill of Rights being eroded and all that.

And why should anyone *trust* spooks whose job it is to manipulate, deceive and ruin people of foreign nations to NOT do that here in our nation or get their BFFs over seas to do it for them?

We have managed to keep our intelligence gathering institutions split up and relatively competitive with each other, but our domestic law enforcement needs to be split up in a similar fashion.

 

[Penelope]

Comey said that the reason he signed the FISA was that he believed in “probable cause” that “Page was an agent for a foreign power.”
This is it in a nutshell. If you were a cop in the middle of an investigation and could smell the crook from a mile away, you too would do your best to continue surveillance.
...
No witch hunt. No wish to get rid of Trump because he was a Republican. The investigation by the FBI and then the Mueller team was for the simple purpose of getting the evidence and hopefully preventing it from happening again.

OL, the FBI had already been notified by the CIA that Page was an information source for them.

There was ZERO basis for continuing the spying on Page.

I think the cops might have a little more information to base that on than you. Just sayin.

NSA and FISA smoked their dirty asses out before Trump was even elected.............That was confirmed via the court before this was ever an issue............


Probably why Admiral Rogers is working with the DOJ right now.......oops.....

Put a link up for that assumption where Rogers , who is retired, is working with the DOJ right now??

There was a thread on it...........and it showed it...........and my other information proves the old stuff with Admiral Rogers.....

GOOGLE ROGERS........working with the DOJ.......or not.....I don't care.

So why should they believe Rogers over Brennan and Clapper?