Florida abortion rights amendment proposal looks likely to appear on ballot

[Curried Goats]

In that mindset it was still considered a democracy. Same thing could be said of Ancient Greece , the birthplace of democracy.

In what mindset? The mindset of reality? Being a representative democracy isn't incompatible with being a constitutional republic. They describe different aspects of our government and society. It's like you guys are arguing you can't be a vegan and Christian. Nothing about being a vegan precludes you from also being Christian. We can have a constitution. We can be a government of the people. And as people we can vote for representatives to represent us in government. These ideas aren't mutually exclusive.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Ok so if our republic isn't based on democratic principles what do you believe it's based on totalitarian principles ? Fascist ideology ?

/—-/ Since you went to public school, I’ll educate you. But, you really need to get your Google fixed so others don’t have to do research for you.

• In a pure democracy, laws are made directly by the voting majority leaving the rights of the minority largely unprotected.
• In a republic, laws are made by representatives chosen by the people and must comply with a constitution that specifically protects the rights of the minority from the will of the majority.

 

[MinTrut]

Florida abortion rights amendment proposal looks likely to appear on ballot

Measure to enshrine abortion rights in constitution seems to have enough signatures to head to vote in state that has a 15-week ban

www.theguardian.com

Well it looks like they have the sigs needed. But the GOP is already looking to block this. Not by having a debate and winning the argument.
But by legal technicalities.
Even if they win I would not trust desantis to follow through on the peoples wishes. Maga doesnt respect democracy. Best of luck.

This is what conservatives wanted - states to decide - now we'll see what happens in the Sunshine State.

 

[Delldude]

DEMOCRATICALLY!

In a Constitutional Republic.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

“Florida abortion advocates got one step closer on Friday to putting access to the procedure on the state’s ballot in November, even as Republicans continue to try and block them.

Advocates needed to collect at least 891,523 valid signatures before February 1 to get the measure on the ballot. As of Friday, the Florida Division of Elections has verified 911,112 signatures—and more could come. Floridians Protecting Freedom, the group that helped organize the statewide signature collection, says they have gathered 1.4 million signatures.

The amendment would allow abortion access up until viability, or when the fetus can survive outside the uterus. This is generally estimated to happen at around 24 weeks. Florida currently bans abortion after 15 weeks. That law went before the state Supreme Court in September. If the court upholds the law, then an even more restrictive measure banning abortion at six weeks—before most people know they are pregnant—will go into effect. Florida Governor Ron DeSantis signed the hugely unpopular bill in April.

If the abortion amendment makes it onto the ballot, then it has a strong chance of winning. Florida requires 60 percent of voters to support amending the state constitution. A February study by the Public Religion Research Institute found that 64 percent of Floridians believe abortion should be legal in all or most cases—more than enough to defeat the state’s minimum threshold. In fact, a good chunk of the petition signatures came from Republican voters.”

Florida Officially Has the Signatures to Put Abortion on the Ballot

Florida could soon become the next state to protect abortion rights—if Republicans don’t get in the way.

newrepublic.com

If Republicans were smart they’d support passage of the amendment, eliminating a losing issue for Republicans.

But Republicans aren’t smart.

 

[White 6]

“Florida abortion advocates got one step closer on Friday to putting access to the procedure on the state’s ballot in November, even as Republicans continue to try and block them.

Advocates needed to collect at least 891,523 valid signatures before February 1 to get the measure on the ballot. As of Friday, the Florida Division of Elections has verified 911,112 signatures—and more could come. Floridians Protecting Freedom, the group that helped organize the statewide signature collection, says they have gathered 1.4 million signatures.

The amendment would allow abortion access up until viability, or when the fetus can survive outside the uterus. This is generally estimated to happen at around 24 weeks. Florida currently bans abortion after 15 weeks. That law went before the state Supreme Court in September. If the court upholds the law, then an even more restrictive measure banning abortion at six weeks—before most people know they are pregnant—will go into effect. Florida Governor Ron DeSantis signed the hugely unpopular bill in April.

If the abortion amendment makes it onto the ballot, then it has a strong chance of winning. Florida requires 60 percent of voters to support amending the state constitution. A February study by the Public Religion Research Institute found that 64 percent of Floridians believe abortion should be legal in all or most cases—more than enough to defeat the state’s minimum threshold. In fact, a good chunk of the petition signatures came from Republican voters.”

Florida Officially Has the Signatures to Put Abortion on the Ballot

Florida could soon become the next state to protect abortion rights—if Republicans don’t get in the way.

newrepublic.com

If Republicans were smart they’d support passage of the amendment, eliminating a losing issue for Republicans.

But Republicans aren’t smart.

Good. Let the voters in that state decide, instead of the GOP, that wishes to rule from above.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Does DeSantis and his allies in FL have the tools to block the petition?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

“Florida abortion advocates got one step closer on Friday to putting access to the procedure on the state’s ballot in November, even as Republicans continue to try and block them.

Advocates needed to collect at least 891,523 valid signatures before February 1 to get the measure on the ballot. As of Friday, the Florida Division of Elections has verified 911,112 signatures—and more could come. Floridians Protecting Freedom, the group that helped organize the statewide signature collection, says they have gathered 1.4 million signatures.

The amendment would allow abortion access up until viability, or when the fetus can survive outside the uterus. This is generally estimated to happen at around 24 weeks. Florida currently bans abortion after 15 weeks. That law went before the state Supreme Court in September. If the court upholds the law, then an even more restrictive measure banning abortion at six weeks—before most people know they are pregnant—will go into effect. Florida Governor Ron DeSantis signed the hugely unpopular bill in April.

If the abortion amendment makes it onto the ballot, then it has a strong chance of winning. Florida requires 60 percent of voters to support amending the state constitution. A February study by the Public Religion Research Institute found that 64 percent of Floridians believe abortion should be legal in all or most cases—more than enough to defeat the state’s minimum threshold. In fact, a good chunk of the petition signatures came from Republican voters.”

Florida Officially Has the Signatures to Put Abortion on the Ballot

Florida could soon become the next state to protect abortion rights—if Republicans don’t get in the way.

newrepublic.com

If Republicans were smart they’d support passage of the amendment, eliminating a losing issue for Republicans.

But Republicans aren’t smart.

The Republicans who signed the petition don't pay the bills. The religious extremists pay the bills.

 

[1srelluc]

Good. Let the voters in that state decide, instead of the GOP, that wishes to rule from above.

Yep, abortion is not a right as defined in the constitution so the issue has to be put the hands of the voters on a state by state basis to decide. Legislative fiat does not cut it.

When the issue is put in the voter's hands it passes hugely without fail.....We the people want the utility of abortion.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

That's what happens in Constitutional Republic dumbass. The US has never been a Democracy and the abortion issue is where it belongs at the state level.

A republic is a form of democracy. Stop embarrassing our country in front of the guests.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

In a Constitutional Republic.

(Which is a form of democracy)

Tommy Tainant

Sorry, we're not in the company of geniuses, here.

 

[elektra]

At 24 weeks of pregnancy, it is murder.

At 23 weeks of pregnancy, it is still murder.

At 8 weeks, not so much.

 

[White 6]

Yep, abortion is not a right as defined in the constitution so the issue has to be put the hands of the voters on a state by state basis to decide. Legislative fiat does not cut it.

When the issue is put in the voter's hands it passes hugely without fail.....We the people want the utility of abortion.

While not a committed fan of open-ended abortions, I have a personal preference to keeping my personal options open on most things. True, I won't ever have to decide, but like you said, legislatively making the decision carved in stone, with criminal penalties "flat doesn't cut it". The people of the states need to make the call on this.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

(Which is a form of democracy)

Tommy Tainant

Sorry, we're not in the company of geniuses, here.

I thik the issue is they lose elections.. So there must be something wrong.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

This is what conservatives wanted - states to decide - now we'll see what happens in the Sunshine State.

I think they would just prefer to impose their wishes and have everyone agree with them.

 

[initforme]

When it comes to laws and abortion it's always best to let the voters decide. Nobody loses in this instance.

 

[elektra]

When the issue is put in the voter's hands it passes hugely without fail.....We the people want the utility of abortion.

and, where is it that abortion was put on the ballot, and passed hugely.

 

[Lord Long Rod]

The Republicans who signed the petition don't pay the bills. The religious extremists pay the bills.

LOL! What?!?

 

[Delldude]

Sorry, we're not in the company of geniuses, here.

A constitutional republic is a state where the chief executive and representatives are elected, and the rules are set down in a written constitution. Diagram of the Federal Government and American Union, an example of a Constitutional Republic.

Try again.............

 

[PeterPilot]

Yep, abortion is not a right as defined in the constitution so the issue has to be put the hands of the voters on a state by state basis to decide. Legislative fiat does not cut it.

When the issue is put in the voter's hands it passes hugely without fail.....We the people want the utility of abortion.

Have you ever read the Ninth Amendment to the US Constitution?

I hope you will so we can have an adult conversation about what it means.