Florida Concealed Carry permits handed out at 20,000 a month…and gun crime is going down, not up...

[2aguy]

Your saying so does not make it so…..Lott is the preeminent researcher into gun self defense issues which is why you guys need to take him out…when you aren't lying about him you lie about Dr. Gary Kleck…..both of whom were anti gun, Lott was more neutral but anti gun leaning, and Dr. Kleck, an honest to goodness ACLU liberal, was anti gun……and then they actually did research on the topic….and found out how often and how effective guns are at keeping normal, peace loving people safe from violent criminal attack.

Yes I'm sure lott was real liberal when he was making up gun surveys to try and prove more guns equals less crime.

Sorry…..you need to actually research the topic….I was around here when Lott released his first research into guns. He was an actual professor of economics at the University of Chicago….he noticed that each side in the gun debate cherry picked different locations to push their points on gun control. So, as someone who was neutral but believed gun control would be a good idea, he decided to actually do research that wasn't biased.

How did he do that….he took crime data from every county in the United States and followed the implementation of concealed carry laws…..and that is when he discovered that they lowered the crime rate…..and damaged his career by publishing the research.

Why is an economist studying it at all? I'd like to see his finances.

You might want to take that up with the economists who wrote "Freakonomics," They seem to research all sorts of topics…….

Economics doesn't study gun crime. This guy is a joke.

Tell that to the "Freakonomcs" Guys...

 

[Brain357]

If it helped violent crime would not have gone up in wi and chicago when they got it.

Yes…and you lie. Chicago just passed it and is fighting the implementation of concealed carry….and on top of that, they are down 2,000 police officers, 1000 from a lack of hiring and another 1000 due to sick leave and vacations…..and on top of that, chicago gangs get the people they support elected aldermen in their wards who then vote down police resources and keep their members out of jail…..

So allowing normal, law abiding citizens to carry guns is not why people are getting murdered in chicago…you know that….and you have to lie to hide that.

I have clearly said it does not effect crime rates. So you are lying again I have not claimed it is the cause.

Yes you have….you state in almost every post where you mention chicago and Wisconsin that there rates have gone up after the law was passed……every time…liar.

I'm not saying it is the cause, just that it is clear evidence carry doesn't lower crime. You are the liar.

Hmmm…fuck you…..states with concealed carry have lower crime rates…..the research shows this….

Ah childish swearing again. Even you know you are losing. Cherry picked research you mean. Why does tx not have much lower crime rates than ca?

 

[Brain357]

Wisconsin, Milwaukee is the crime center and they too are short on police and fighting concealed carry laws…..and they just passed the law 3 years ago and so haven't reached the 5% threshold that begins reducing crime….people actually have to be carrying guns to drive off criminals…and that takes a while to get the numbers up.

But Minnesota and Florida……crime is down in those states and Minnesota just crossed that threshold and Florida is now handing out permits at 20,000 a month and crime is at a 44 year low….

5%? Where is that from? More of disgraced Lott?

Crime shouldn't go up after it is passed.

Yes….and they just wave a magic wand and all the people suddenly have guns on their hips…..Minnnesota just passed the threshold…it takes time…...

So it is disgraced Lott then? Let's see the study.

Lott has never been disgraced…smeared by anti gun extremists who realize his work and Dr. Gary Kleck's work shows the reality of private ownership of guns, so they have to be destroyed…they are now going after the researchers who contribute to Lott's website…attacking their jobs…the left are vile….

He used numbers from a survey that didn't exist. I'd call that disgraced.

 

[Brain357]

Where is the 5% study?

 

[Dad2three]

He got responses from 35 hand picked economists. Only economists? Hardly the right people... Hemenway got responses from 150:

Most of the scientists who were publishing relevant articles were from the fields of criminology, economics, public policy, political science and public health. Since there are typically many more authors on public health articles than on criminology articles, to have a balanced list I decided to include only the first author on the byline. Graduate students working for me identified more than 300 distinct first authors, and found more than 280 email addresses.

Hemenway is a proven hack…..as noted in post after post. As pointed out by Lott….simply mentioning firearms in a paper does not make you a researcher in the field….and the health care researchers are notorious for having anti gun biases and shoddy work on gun related issues.

Lott is a proven hack who makes up surveys. His survey was feeble at best and imaginary at worst.

Your saying so does not make it so…..Lott is the preeminent researcher into gun self defense issues which is why you guys need to take him out…when you aren't lying about him you lie about Dr. Gary Kleck…..both of whom were anti gun, Lott was more neutral but anti gun leaning, and Dr. Kleck, an honest to goodness ACLU liberal, was anti gun……and then they actually did research on the topic….and found out how often and how effective guns are at keeping normal, peace loving people safe from violent criminal attack.

Yes I'm sure lott was real liberal when he was making up gun surveys to try and prove more guns equals less crime.

Sorry…..you need to actually research the topic….I was around here when Lott released his first research into guns. He was an actual professor of economics at the University of Chicago….he noticed that each side in the gun debate cherry picked different locations to push their points on gun control. So, as someone who was neutral but believed gun control would be a good idea, he decided to actually do research that wasn't biased.

How did he do that….he took crime data from every county in the United States and followed the implementation of concealed carry laws…..and that is when he discovered that they lowered the crime rate…..and damaged his career by publishing the research.

Yep, the Chi Boys are KNOWN to be neutral in the economics department *shaking head*


Lott was formerly employed at various academic institutions including the University of Chicago, Yale University, the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania, and the University of Maryland, College Park, and at the American Enterprise Institute conservative think tank.



Milton Friedman said that "John Lott has few equals as a perceptive analyst of controversial public policy issues."


Newsweek referred to Lott as "The Gun Crowd's Guru."


Charges that gun makers or the NRA have paid for Lott's research
In 1996 when Lott's research first received media attention,.. "The Associated Press reports that Prof. Lott's fellowship at the University of Chicago is funded by the Olin Foundation, which is 'associated with the Olin Corporation,' one of the nation's largest gun manufacturers. Maybe that's a coincidence, too. But it's also a fact.


Disputed survey


Lott claimed to have undertaken a national survey of 2,424 respondents in 1997, the results of which were the source for claims he had made beginning in 1997.However, in 2000 Lott was unable to produce the data, or any records showing that the survey had been undertaken. He said the 1997 hard drive crash that had affected several projects with co-authors had destroyed his survey data set,the original tally sheets had been abandoned with other personal property in his move from Chicago to Yale, and he could not recall the names of any of the students who he said had worked on it. Critics alleged that the survey had never taken place, but Lott defends the survey's existence and accuracy, quoting on his website colleagues who lost data in the hard drive crash



Mary Rosh persona

In response to the dispute surrounding the missing survey, Lott created and used "Mary Rosh" as a sock puppet to defend his own works on Usenet and elsewhere. After investigative work by blogger Julian Sanchez, Lott admitted to use of the Mary Rosh persona. Sanchez also pointed out that Lott, posing as Rosh, not only praised his own academic writing, but also called himself "the best professor I ever had".


lmaorog



John Lott - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[2aguy]

Hemenway is a proven hack…..as noted in post after post. As pointed out by Lott….simply mentioning firearms in a paper does not make you a researcher in the field….and the health care researchers are notorious for having anti gun biases and shoddy work on gun related issues.

Lott is a proven hack who makes up surveys. His survey was feeble at best and imaginary at worst.

Your saying so does not make it so…..Lott is the preeminent researcher into gun self defense issues which is why you guys need to take him out…when you aren't lying about him you lie about Dr. Gary Kleck…..both of whom were anti gun, Lott was more neutral but anti gun leaning, and Dr. Kleck, an honest to goodness ACLU liberal, was anti gun……and then they actually did research on the topic….and found out how often and how effective guns are at keeping normal, peace loving people safe from violent criminal attack.

Yes I'm sure lott was real liberal when he was making up gun surveys to try and prove more guns equals less crime.

Sorry…..you need to actually research the topic….I was around here when Lott released his first research into guns. He was an actual professor of economics at the University of Chicago….he noticed that each side in the gun debate cherry picked different locations to push their points on gun control. So, as someone who was neutral but believed gun control would be a good idea, he decided to actually do research that wasn't biased.

How did he do that….he took crime data from every county in the United States and followed the implementation of concealed carry laws…..and that is when he discovered that they lowered the crime rate…..and damaged his career by publishing the research.

Yep, the Chi Boys are KNOWN to be neutral in the economics department *shaking head*


Lott was formerly employed at various academic institutions including the University of Chicago, Yale University, the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania, and the University of Maryland, College Park, and at the American Enterprise Institute conservative think tank.



Milton Friedman said that "John Lott has few equals as a perceptive analyst of controversial public policy issues."


Newsweek referred to Lott as "The Gun Crowd's Guru."


Charges that gun makers or the NRA have paid for Lott's research
In 1996 when Lott's research first received media attention,.. "The Associated Press reports that Prof. Lott's fellowship at the University of Chicago is funded by the Olin Foundation, which is 'associated with the Olin Corporation,' one of the nation's largest gun manufacturers. Maybe that's a coincidence, too. But it's also a fact.


Disputed survey


Lott claimed to have undertaken a national survey of 2,424 respondents in 1997, the results of which were the source for claims he had made beginning in 1997.However, in 2000 Lott was unable to produce the data, or any records showing that the survey had been undertaken. He said the 1997 hard drive crash that had affected several projects with co-authors had destroyed his survey data set,the original tally sheets had been abandoned with other personal property in his move from Chicago to Yale, and he could not recall the names of any of the students who he said had worked on it. Critics alleged that the survey had never taken place, but Lott defends the survey's existence and accuracy, quoting on his website colleagues who lost data in the hard drive crash



Mary Rosh persona

In response to the dispute surrounding the missing survey, Lott created and used "Mary Rosh" as a sock puppet to defend his own works on Usenet and elsewhere. After investigative work by blogger Julian Sanchez, Lott admitted to use of the Mary Rosh persona. Sanchez also pointed out that Lott, posing as Rosh, not only praised his own academic writing, but also called himself "the best professor I ever had".


lmaorog



John Lott - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yeah…..we have been through these attacks before, you are not the first anti gun extremist to try to smear Lott and you won't be the last….

Response to Malkin's Op-ed

people who say he gave them his info. easily

John Lott's website

David Friedman defends lott against various critics...

My_Comments_on_the_Lott_Controversy.html

zhou, donahue used the wrong numbers when they attempted to criticize lott...and then refused to admit their error....

Did John Lott Provide Bad Data to the NRC? A Note on Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang · Econ Journal Watch : Guns, crime, shall-issue, right-to-carry, NRC


Mother jones attack against Lottt…

John Lott's Website: Mother Jones joins the list of left wingers trying to discredit me and the Crime Prevention Research Center

 

[Dad2three]

Lott is a proven hack who makes up surveys. His survey was feeble at best and imaginary at worst.

Your saying so does not make it so…..Lott is the preeminent researcher into gun self defense issues which is why you guys need to take him out…when you aren't lying about him you lie about Dr. Gary Kleck…..both of whom were anti gun, Lott was more neutral but anti gun leaning, and Dr. Kleck, an honest to goodness ACLU liberal, was anti gun……and then they actually did research on the topic….and found out how often and how effective guns are at keeping normal, peace loving people safe from violent criminal attack.

Yes I'm sure lott was real liberal when he was making up gun surveys to try and prove more guns equals less crime.

Sorry…..you need to actually research the topic….I was around here when Lott released his first research into guns. He was an actual professor of economics at the University of Chicago….he noticed that each side in the gun debate cherry picked different locations to push their points on gun control. So, as someone who was neutral but believed gun control would be a good idea, he decided to actually do research that wasn't biased.

How did he do that….he took crime data from every county in the United States and followed the implementation of concealed carry laws…..and that is when he discovered that they lowered the crime rate…..and damaged his career by publishing the research.

Yep, the Chi Boys are KNOWN to be neutral in the economics department *shaking head*


Lott was formerly employed at various academic institutions including the University of Chicago, Yale University, the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania, and the University of Maryland, College Park, and at the American Enterprise Institute conservative think tank.



Milton Friedman said that "John Lott has few equals as a perceptive analyst of controversial public policy issues."


Newsweek referred to Lott as "The Gun Crowd's Guru."


Charges that gun makers or the NRA have paid for Lott's research
In 1996 when Lott's research first received media attention,.. "The Associated Press reports that Prof. Lott's fellowship at the University of Chicago is funded by the Olin Foundation, which is 'associated with the Olin Corporation,' one of the nation's largest gun manufacturers. Maybe that's a coincidence, too. But it's also a fact.


Disputed survey


Lott claimed to have undertaken a national survey of 2,424 respondents in 1997, the results of which were the source for claims he had made beginning in 1997.However, in 2000 Lott was unable to produce the data, or any records showing that the survey had been undertaken. He said the 1997 hard drive crash that had affected several projects with co-authors had destroyed his survey data set,the original tally sheets had been abandoned with other personal property in his move from Chicago to Yale, and he could not recall the names of any of the students who he said had worked on it. Critics alleged that the survey had never taken place, but Lott defends the survey's existence and accuracy, quoting on his website colleagues who lost data in the hard drive crash



Mary Rosh persona

In response to the dispute surrounding the missing survey, Lott created and used "Mary Rosh" as a sock puppet to defend his own works on Usenet and elsewhere. After investigative work by blogger Julian Sanchez, Lott admitted to use of the Mary Rosh persona. Sanchez also pointed out that Lott, posing as Rosh, not only praised his own academic writing, but also called himself "the best professor I ever had".


lmaorog



John Lott - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yeah…..we have been through these attacks before, you are not the first anti gun extremist to try to smear Lott and you won't be the last….

Response to Malkin's Op-ed

people who say he gave them his info. easily

John Lott's website

David Friedman defends lott against various critics...

My_Comments_on_the_Lott_Controversy.html

zhou, donahue used the wrong numbers when they attempted to criticize lott...and then refused to admit their error....

Did John Lott Provide Bad Data to the NRC? A Note on Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang · Econ Journal Watch : Guns, crime, shall-issue, right-to-carry, NRC


Mother jones attack against Lottt…

John Lott's Website: Mother Jones joins the list of left wingers trying to discredit me and the Crime Prevention Research Center

So NO, you you don't refute Lott was paid by the gun makers, he couldn't back up his "study", he couldn't name a SINGLE student involved in the study OR that he falsely set up a sock puppet account to cheer-lead for himself

Thanks anyways Bubs

 

[M14 Shooter]

Anti-gun loons refuse to accept anything that presents a positive picture of the armed citizenry, as it runs against their desire for the state to have a monopoly on force.

 

[2aguy]

Hemenway is a proven hack…..as noted in post after post. As pointed out by Lott….simply mentioning firearms in a paper does not make you a researcher in the field….and the health care researchers are notorious for having anti gun biases and shoddy work on gun related issues.

Lott is a proven hack who makes up surveys. His survey was feeble at best and imaginary at worst.

Your saying so does not make it so…..Lott is the preeminent researcher into gun self defense issues which is why you guys need to take him out…when you aren't lying about him you lie about Dr. Gary Kleck…..both of whom were anti gun, Lott was more neutral but anti gun leaning, and Dr. Kleck, an honest to goodness ACLU liberal, was anti gun……and then they actually did research on the topic….and found out how often and how effective guns are at keeping normal, peace loving people safe from violent criminal attack.

Yes I'm sure lott was real liberal when he was making up gun surveys to try and prove more guns equals less crime.

Sorry…..you need to actually research the topic….I was around here when Lott released his first research into guns. He was an actual professor of economics at the University of Chicago….he noticed that each side in the gun debate cherry picked different locations to push their points on gun control. So, as someone who was neutral but believed gun control would be a good idea, he decided to actually do research that wasn't biased.

How did he do that….he took crime data from every county in the United States and followed the implementation of concealed carry laws…..and that is when he discovered that they lowered the crime rate…..and damaged his career by publishing the research.

Yep, the Chi Boys are KNOWN to be neutral in the economics department *shaking head*


Lott was formerly employed at various academic institutions including the University of Chicago, Yale University, the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania, and the University of Maryland, College Park, and at the American Enterprise Institute conservative think tank.



Milton Friedman said that "John Lott has few equals as a perceptive analyst of controversial public policy issues."


Newsweek referred to Lott as "The Gun Crowd's Guru."


Charges that gun makers or the NRA have paid for Lott's research
In 1996 when Lott's research first received media attention,.. "The Associated Press reports that Prof. Lott's fellowship at the University of Chicago is funded by the Olin Foundation, which is 'associated with the Olin Corporation,' one of the nation's largest gun manufacturers. Maybe that's a coincidence, too. But it's also a fact.


Disputed survey


Lott claimed to have undertaken a national survey of 2,424 respondents in 1997, the results of which were the source for claims he had made beginning in 1997.However, in 2000 Lott was unable to produce the data, or any records showing that the survey had been undertaken. He said the 1997 hard drive crash that had affected several projects with co-authors had destroyed his survey data set,the original tally sheets had been abandoned with other personal property in his move from Chicago to Yale, and he could not recall the names of any of the students who he said had worked on it. Critics alleged that the survey had never taken place, but Lott defends the survey's existence and accuracy, quoting on his website colleagues who lost data in the hard drive crash



Mary Rosh persona

In response to the dispute surrounding the missing survey, Lott created and used "Mary Rosh" as a sock puppet to defend his own works on Usenet and elsewhere. After investigative work by blogger Julian Sanchez, Lott admitted to use of the Mary Rosh persona. Sanchez also pointed out that Lott, posing as Rosh, not only praised his own academic writing, but also called himself "the best professor I ever had".


lmaorog



John Lott - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And here is the defense against some of the smears…


Response to Malkin's Op-ed

Lott now admits he used a fake persona, "Mary Rosh," to post voluminous defenses of his work over the Internet.


* When Julian Sanchez asked about the similarities between my writings and those posted under this Internet chat room pseudonym during this past January I did admit it immediately. (Sanchez had put up a post on his blog site asking for help in identifying someone who was cutting and pasting many of my responses from other places in chat room discussions. Because a dynamic IP address was being used, Sanchez could only identify the posting as coming from someone in southeastern Pennsylvania. When I found that he was asking for help in identifying the poster I admitted that I was using the pseudonym.)

I had originally used my own name in chat rooms but switched after receiving threatening and obnoxious telephone calls from other Internet posters. Ninety some percent of the posters in the chatroom were pretty clearly using pseudonyms.

The fictitious name was from a family e-mail account we had set up for our children based on their names (see latter discussion), on a couple of occasions I used the female persona implied by the name in the chat rooms to try to get people to think about how people who are smaller and weaker physically can defend themselves. Virtually all the posting were on factual issues involving guns and the empirical debates surrounding them. All that information was completely accurate.


"Rosh" gushed that Lott was "the best professor that I ever had."


*This was a family email account and I was not the only person who posted using this account.
She/he also penned an effusive review of "More Guns, Less Crime" on Amazon.com: "It was very interesting reading and Lott writes very well." (Lott claims that one of his sons posted the review in "Rosh's" name.)


*The e-mail account was set up by my wife for my four sons (Maxim, Ryan, Roger, and Sherwin in birth order) and involves the first two letters of each of their names in order of their birth. Maxim wrote several reviews on Amazon.com using that e-mail account and signed in using [email protected], not “Mary Rosh.” His posting included not only a review of my book, but also reviews of computer games such as Caesars III.


For whatever it is worth, a recent glich at Amazon.com revealed that it is quite common practice for authors to actually write positive anonymous reviews of their own books. The New York Times story on this revelation was actually quite sympathetic, which contrasts with the attack that the New York Times had on me when it also incorrectly claimed that I had written the review of my book.
Just last week, "Rosh" complained on a blog comment board: "Critics such as Lambert and Lindgren ought to slink away and hide."

By itself, there is nothing wrong with using a pseudonym. But Lott's invention of Mary Rosh to praise his own research and blast other scholars is beyond creepy. And it shows his extensive willingness to deceive to protect and promote his work.


*It would have been helpful if Malkin had actually read the text of what I wrote.
Some Second Amendment activists believe there is an anti-gun conspiracy to discredit Lott as "payback" for the fall of Michael Bellesiles, the disgraced former Emory University professor who engaged in rampant research fraud to bolster his anti-gun book, "Arming America." But it wasn't an anti-gun zealot who unmasked Rosh/Lott. It was Internet blogger Julian Sanchez, a staffer at the libertarian Cato Institute, which staunchly defends the Second Amendment. And it was the conservative Washington Times that first reported last week on the survey dispute in the mainstream press.


*The January 23rd story in the Washington Times could not accurately be described as a negative story. Professor Dan Polsby is quoted as saying that I was “vindicated.” Even Lindgren, a critic whose academic work I have criticized in the past (Journal of Law and Politics, Winter 2001), is characterized by the Times as believing that “ the question appears to have been at least partially resolved . . . “ and he did say that David Gross was a credible witness.
In an interview Monday, Lott stressed that his new defensive gun use survey (whose results will be published in the new book) will show similar results to the lost survey. But the existence of the new survey does not lay to rest the still lingering doubts about the old survey's existence.


*She never asked me any questions about whether the old survey was done.
The media coverage of the 1997 survey data dispute, Lott told me, is "a bunch to do about nothing."


*This quote is totally taken out of context. Some people had accused me of violating federal regulations regarding federal approval for human experiments while I was at Chicago. Malkin’s telephone call focused on that claim, and that is what my quote referred to.
I wish I could agree.



I spent years replacing the data lost in the hard disk crash. The county level crime data was replaced and given out to academics at dozens of universities so that they could replicate every single regression in More Guns, Less Crime. I have also made the data for my other book The Bias Against Guns available at http://www.johnlott.org/cgi-bin/login.cgi . The data for my other reserach has also been made available. The survey was also replicated and obtained similar results to the first survey and the new data has been made available since the beginning of the year. When asked I have even made my data available before the research was published. I don't think that there are any academics who have had a better record then I have in making my data available to other researchers. For an example of just on of my recent critics who has refused to share his data see here . I have provided Malkin with the information noted here, but she has never replied to e-mails that I have sent her.

 

[2aguy]

Your saying so does not make it so…..Lott is the preeminent researcher into gun self defense issues which is why you guys need to take him out…when you aren't lying about him you lie about Dr. Gary Kleck…..both of whom were anti gun, Lott was more neutral but anti gun leaning, and Dr. Kleck, an honest to goodness ACLU liberal, was anti gun……and then they actually did research on the topic….and found out how often and how effective guns are at keeping normal, peace loving people safe from violent criminal attack.

Yes I'm sure lott was real liberal when he was making up gun surveys to try and prove more guns equals less crime.

Sorry…..you need to actually research the topic….I was around here when Lott released his first research into guns. He was an actual professor of economics at the University of Chicago….he noticed that each side in the gun debate cherry picked different locations to push their points on gun control. So, as someone who was neutral but believed gun control would be a good idea, he decided to actually do research that wasn't biased.

How did he do that….he took crime data from every county in the United States and followed the implementation of concealed carry laws…..and that is when he discovered that they lowered the crime rate…..and damaged his career by publishing the research.

Yep, the Chi Boys are KNOWN to be neutral in the economics department *shaking head*


Lott was formerly employed at various academic institutions including the University of Chicago, Yale University, the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania, and the University of Maryland, College Park, and at the American Enterprise Institute conservative think tank.



Milton Friedman said that "John Lott has few equals as a perceptive analyst of controversial public policy issues."


Newsweek referred to Lott as "The Gun Crowd's Guru."


Charges that gun makers or the NRA have paid for Lott's research
In 1996 when Lott's research first received media attention,.. "The Associated Press reports that Prof. Lott's fellowship at the University of Chicago is funded by the Olin Foundation, which is 'associated with the Olin Corporation,' one of the nation's largest gun manufacturers. Maybe that's a coincidence, too. But it's also a fact.


Disputed survey


Lott claimed to have undertaken a national survey of 2,424 respondents in 1997, the results of which were the source for claims he had made beginning in 1997.However, in 2000 Lott was unable to produce the data, or any records showing that the survey had been undertaken. He said the 1997 hard drive crash that had affected several projects with co-authors had destroyed his survey data set,the original tally sheets had been abandoned with other personal property in his move from Chicago to Yale, and he could not recall the names of any of the students who he said had worked on it. Critics alleged that the survey had never taken place, but Lott defends the survey's existence and accuracy, quoting on his website colleagues who lost data in the hard drive crash



Mary Rosh persona

In response to the dispute surrounding the missing survey, Lott created and used "Mary Rosh" as a sock puppet to defend his own works on Usenet and elsewhere. After investigative work by blogger Julian Sanchez, Lott admitted to use of the Mary Rosh persona. Sanchez also pointed out that Lott, posing as Rosh, not only praised his own academic writing, but also called himself "the best professor I ever had".


lmaorog



John Lott - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yeah…..we have been through these attacks before, you are not the first anti gun extremist to try to smear Lott and you won't be the last….

Response to Malkin's Op-ed

people who say he gave them his info. easily

John Lott's website

David Friedman defends lott against various critics...

My_Comments_on_the_Lott_Controversy.html

zhou, donahue used the wrong numbers when they attempted to criticize lott...and then refused to admit their error....

Did John Lott Provide Bad Data to the NRC? A Note on Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang · Econ Journal Watch : Guns, crime, shall-issue, right-to-carry, NRC


Mother jones attack against Lottt…

John Lott's Website: Mother Jones joins the list of left wingers trying to discredit me and the Crime Prevention Research Center

So NO, you you don't refute Lott was paid by the gun makers, he couldn't back up his "study", he couldn't name a SINGLE student involved in the study OR that he falsely set up a sock puppet account to cheer-lead for himself

Thanks anyways Bubs

I haven't said anything about it yet moron…..you can peruse the links until I decide to respond to you….moron.

 

[2aguy]

Your saying so does not make it so…..Lott is the preeminent researcher into gun self defense issues which is why you guys need to take him out…when you aren't lying about him you lie about Dr. Gary Kleck…..both of whom were anti gun, Lott was more neutral but anti gun leaning, and Dr. Kleck, an honest to goodness ACLU liberal, was anti gun……and then they actually did research on the topic….and found out how often and how effective guns are at keeping normal, peace loving people safe from violent criminal attack.

Yes I'm sure lott was real liberal when he was making up gun surveys to try and prove more guns equals less crime.

Sorry…..you need to actually research the topic….I was around here when Lott released his first research into guns. He was an actual professor of economics at the University of Chicago….he noticed that each side in the gun debate cherry picked different locations to push their points on gun control. So, as someone who was neutral but believed gun control would be a good idea, he decided to actually do research that wasn't biased.

How did he do that….he took crime data from every county in the United States and followed the implementation of concealed carry laws…..and that is when he discovered that they lowered the crime rate…..and damaged his career by publishing the research.

Yep, the Chi Boys are KNOWN to be neutral in the economics department *shaking head*


Lott was formerly employed at various academic institutions including the University of Chicago, Yale University, the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania, and the University of Maryland, College Park, and at the American Enterprise Institute conservative think tank.



Milton Friedman said that "John Lott has few equals as a perceptive analyst of controversial public policy issues."


Newsweek referred to Lott as "The Gun Crowd's Guru."


Charges that gun makers or the NRA have paid for Lott's research
In 1996 when Lott's research first received media attention,.. "The Associated Press reports that Prof. Lott's fellowship at the University of Chicago is funded by the Olin Foundation, which is 'associated with the Olin Corporation,' one of the nation's largest gun manufacturers. Maybe that's a coincidence, too. But it's also a fact.


Disputed survey


Lott claimed to have undertaken a national survey of 2,424 respondents in 1997, the results of which were the source for claims he had made beginning in 1997.However, in 2000 Lott was unable to produce the data, or any records showing that the survey had been undertaken. He said the 1997 hard drive crash that had affected several projects with co-authors had destroyed his survey data set,the original tally sheets had been abandoned with other personal property in his move from Chicago to Yale, and he could not recall the names of any of the students who he said had worked on it. Critics alleged that the survey had never taken place, but Lott defends the survey's existence and accuracy, quoting on his website colleagues who lost data in the hard drive crash



Mary Rosh persona

In response to the dispute surrounding the missing survey, Lott created and used "Mary Rosh" as a sock puppet to defend his own works on Usenet and elsewhere. After investigative work by blogger Julian Sanchez, Lott admitted to use of the Mary Rosh persona. Sanchez also pointed out that Lott, posing as Rosh, not only praised his own academic writing, but also called himself "the best professor I ever had".


lmaorog



John Lott - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yeah…..we have been through these attacks before, you are not the first anti gun extremist to try to smear Lott and you won't be the last….

Response to Malkin's Op-ed

people who say he gave them his info. easily

John Lott's website

David Friedman defends lott against various critics...

My_Comments_on_the_Lott_Controversy.html

zhou, donahue used the wrong numbers when they attempted to criticize lott...and then refused to admit their error....

Did John Lott Provide Bad Data to the NRC? A Note on Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang · Econ Journal Watch : Guns, crime, shall-issue, right-to-carry, NRC


Mother jones attack against Lottt…

John Lott's Website: Mother Jones joins the list of left wingers trying to discredit me and the Crime Prevention Research Center

So NO, you you don't refute Lott was paid by the gun makers, he couldn't back up his "study", he couldn't name a SINGLE student involved in the study OR that he falsely set up a sock puppet account to cheer-lead for himself

Thanks anyways Bubs

Okay moron……here you go….

He has forgotten the names of the students who allegedly helped with the survey and who supposedly dialed thousands of survey respondents long-distance from their own dorm rooms using survey software Lott can't identify or produce.


* I have hired lots of student RAs over the years. Since I have been at AEI in the last couple of years I have had around 25 people work for me on various projects. The students in question worked for me during the very beginning of 1997. While I can usually reconstruct who has worked for me, it requires that I have that material written down. The information on these students was lost in the hard disk crash and given that I had lost data for other projects such as three revise-and-resubmits that I had at the Journal of Political Economy it was not a particularly high priority.


I don’t have the original CD with telephone numbers from across the country that was used to obtain telephone numbers, but I have kept one that I obtained later in 1997 when I was considering redoing the survey and I still have that available.

Assuming the survey data was lost in a computer crash, it is still remarkable that Lott could not produce a single, contemporaneous scrap of paper proving the survey's existence, such as the research protocol or survey instrument.


3) I have statements from two people who took the survey and other confirmatory evidence. As to the written material, being asked for written material six years after the survey is a long time. After the survey was done, the material was kept on my computer. In addition, I have moved three times (Chicago to Yale to Pennsylvania to AEI) as well as changed offices at Chicago and Yale since the summer of 1997. Yet, besides the statements from the academics who can verify the hard disk crash as well as the statement of those who participated in the survey, I do have statements David Mustard, who I had talked to numerous times about doing the survey with me during 1996 and who remembers after that us talking about the survey after it was completed. He is “fairly confident” that those conversations took place during 1997. John Whitley and Geoff Huck also have some recollections. Russell Roberts, now a professor at George Mason, was someone else that I talked to about the survey, but he simply can’t remember one way of the other. I didn’t talk to people other than co-authors about the survey and the research that I was doing on guns generally. This is because of the often great hostility to my gun work and also because I didn’t want to give those who disliked me a heads-up on what I was doing. I did have the questions from the survey and they were reused in the replicated survey in 2002.

 

[2aguy]

Your saying so does not make it so…..Lott is the preeminent researcher into gun self defense issues which is why you guys need to take him out…when you aren't lying about him you lie about Dr. Gary Kleck…..both of whom were anti gun, Lott was more neutral but anti gun leaning, and Dr. Kleck, an honest to goodness ACLU liberal, was anti gun……and then they actually did research on the topic….and found out how often and how effective guns are at keeping normal, peace loving people safe from violent criminal attack.

Yes I'm sure lott was real liberal when he was making up gun surveys to try and prove more guns equals less crime.

Sorry…..you need to actually research the topic….I was around here when Lott released his first research into guns. He was an actual professor of economics at the University of Chicago….he noticed that each side in the gun debate cherry picked different locations to push their points on gun control. So, as someone who was neutral but believed gun control would be a good idea, he decided to actually do research that wasn't biased.

How did he do that….he took crime data from every county in the United States and followed the implementation of concealed carry laws…..and that is when he discovered that they lowered the crime rate…..and damaged his career by publishing the research.

Yep, the Chi Boys are KNOWN to be neutral in the economics department *shaking head*


Lott was formerly employed at various academic institutions including the University of Chicago, Yale University, the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania, and the University of Maryland, College Park, and at the American Enterprise Institute conservative think tank.



Milton Friedman said that "John Lott has few equals as a perceptive analyst of controversial public policy issues."


Newsweek referred to Lott as "The Gun Crowd's Guru."


Charges that gun makers or the NRA have paid for Lott's research
In 1996 when Lott's research first received media attention,.. "The Associated Press reports that Prof. Lott's fellowship at the University of Chicago is funded by the Olin Foundation, which is 'associated with the Olin Corporation,' one of the nation's largest gun manufacturers. Maybe that's a coincidence, too. But it's also a fact.


Disputed survey


Lott claimed to have undertaken a national survey of 2,424 respondents in 1997, the results of which were the source for claims he had made beginning in 1997.However, in 2000 Lott was unable to produce the data, or any records showing that the survey had been undertaken. He said the 1997 hard drive crash that had affected several projects with co-authors had destroyed his survey data set,the original tally sheets had been abandoned with other personal property in his move from Chicago to Yale, and he could not recall the names of any of the students who he said had worked on it. Critics alleged that the survey had never taken place, but Lott defends the survey's existence and accuracy, quoting on his website colleagues who lost data in the hard drive crash



Mary Rosh persona

In response to the dispute surrounding the missing survey, Lott created and used "Mary Rosh" as a sock puppet to defend his own works on Usenet and elsewhere. After investigative work by blogger Julian Sanchez, Lott admitted to use of the Mary Rosh persona. Sanchez also pointed out that Lott, posing as Rosh, not only praised his own academic writing, but also called himself "the best professor I ever had".


lmaorog



John Lott - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yeah…..we have been through these attacks before, you are not the first anti gun extremist to try to smear Lott and you won't be the last….

Response to Malkin's Op-ed

people who say he gave them his info. easily

John Lott's website

David Friedman defends lott against various critics...

My_Comments_on_the_Lott_Controversy.html

zhou, donahue used the wrong numbers when they attempted to criticize lott...and then refused to admit their error....

Did John Lott Provide Bad Data to the NRC? A Note on Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang · Econ Journal Watch : Guns, crime, shall-issue, right-to-carry, NRC


Mother jones attack against Lottt…

John Lott's Website: Mother Jones joins the list of left wingers trying to discredit me and the Crime Prevention Research Center

So NO, you you don't refute Lott was paid by the gun makers, he couldn't back up his "study", he couldn't name a SINGLE student involved in the study OR that he falsely set up a sock puppet account to cheer-lead for himself

Thanks anyways Bubs

Asked and answered by Lott asshole…..read the links…you anti gun extremists have nothing but lies and smears……..

 

[2aguy]

Your saying so does not make it so…..Lott is the preeminent researcher into gun self defense issues which is why you guys need to take him out…when you aren't lying about him you lie about Dr. Gary Kleck…..both of whom were anti gun, Lott was more neutral but anti gun leaning, and Dr. Kleck, an honest to goodness ACLU liberal, was anti gun……and then they actually did research on the topic….and found out how often and how effective guns are at keeping normal, peace loving people safe from violent criminal attack.

Yes I'm sure lott was real liberal when he was making up gun surveys to try and prove more guns equals less crime.

Sorry…..you need to actually research the topic….I was around here when Lott released his first research into guns. He was an actual professor of economics at the University of Chicago….he noticed that each side in the gun debate cherry picked different locations to push their points on gun control. So, as someone who was neutral but believed gun control would be a good idea, he decided to actually do research that wasn't biased.

How did he do that….he took crime data from every county in the United States and followed the implementation of concealed carry laws…..and that is when he discovered that they lowered the crime rate…..and damaged his career by publishing the research.

Yep, the Chi Boys are KNOWN to be neutral in the economics department *shaking head*


Lott was formerly employed at various academic institutions including the University of Chicago, Yale University, the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania, and the University of Maryland, College Park, and at the American Enterprise Institute conservative think tank.



Milton Friedman said that "John Lott has few equals as a perceptive analyst of controversial public policy issues."


Newsweek referred to Lott as "The Gun Crowd's Guru."


Charges that gun makers or the NRA have paid for Lott's research
In 1996 when Lott's research first received media attention,.. "The Associated Press reports that Prof. Lott's fellowship at the University of Chicago is funded by the Olin Foundation, which is 'associated with the Olin Corporation,' one of the nation's largest gun manufacturers. Maybe that's a coincidence, too. But it's also a fact.


Disputed survey


Lott claimed to have undertaken a national survey of 2,424 respondents in 1997, the results of which were the source for claims he had made beginning in 1997.However, in 2000 Lott was unable to produce the data, or any records showing that the survey had been undertaken. He said the 1997 hard drive crash that had affected several projects with co-authors had destroyed his survey data set,the original tally sheets had been abandoned with other personal property in his move from Chicago to Yale, and he could not recall the names of any of the students who he said had worked on it. Critics alleged that the survey had never taken place, but Lott defends the survey's existence and accuracy, quoting on his website colleagues who lost data in the hard drive crash



Mary Rosh persona

In response to the dispute surrounding the missing survey, Lott created and used "Mary Rosh" as a sock puppet to defend his own works on Usenet and elsewhere. After investigative work by blogger Julian Sanchez, Lott admitted to use of the Mary Rosh persona. Sanchez also pointed out that Lott, posing as Rosh, not only praised his own academic writing, but also called himself "the best professor I ever had".


lmaorog



John Lott - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yeah…..we have been through these attacks before, you are not the first anti gun extremist to try to smear Lott and you won't be the last….

Response to Malkin's Op-ed

people who say he gave them his info. easily

John Lott's website

David Friedman defends lott against various critics...

My_Comments_on_the_Lott_Controversy.html

zhou, donahue used the wrong numbers when they attempted to criticize lott...and then refused to admit their error....

Did John Lott Provide Bad Data to the NRC? A Note on Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang · Econ Journal Watch : Guns, crime, shall-issue, right-to-carry, NRC


Mother jones attack against Lottt…

John Lott's Website: Mother Jones joins the list of left wingers trying to discredit me and the Crime Prevention Research Center

So NO, you you don't refute Lott was paid by the gun makers, he couldn't back up his "study", he couldn't name a SINGLE student involved in the study OR that he falsely set up a sock puppet account to cheer-lead for himself

Thanks anyways Bubs

Your turn asshole….show where Lott has taken money from the NRA? Link….?

 

[Brain357]

Yes I'm sure lott was real liberal when he was making up gun surveys to try and prove more guns equals less crime.

Sorry…..you need to actually research the topic….I was around here when Lott released his first research into guns. He was an actual professor of economics at the University of Chicago….he noticed that each side in the gun debate cherry picked different locations to push their points on gun control. So, as someone who was neutral but believed gun control would be a good idea, he decided to actually do research that wasn't biased.

How did he do that….he took crime data from every county in the United States and followed the implementation of concealed carry laws…..and that is when he discovered that they lowered the crime rate…..and damaged his career by publishing the research.

Yep, the Chi Boys are KNOWN to be neutral in the economics department *shaking head*


Lott was formerly employed at various academic institutions including the University of Chicago, Yale University, the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania, and the University of Maryland, College Park, and at the American Enterprise Institute conservative think tank.



Milton Friedman said that "John Lott has few equals as a perceptive analyst of controversial public policy issues."


Newsweek referred to Lott as "The Gun Crowd's Guru."


Charges that gun makers or the NRA have paid for Lott's research
In 1996 when Lott's research first received media attention,.. "The Associated Press reports that Prof. Lott's fellowship at the University of Chicago is funded by the Olin Foundation, which is 'associated with the Olin Corporation,' one of the nation's largest gun manufacturers. Maybe that's a coincidence, too. But it's also a fact.


Disputed survey


Lott claimed to have undertaken a national survey of 2,424 respondents in 1997, the results of which were the source for claims he had made beginning in 1997.However, in 2000 Lott was unable to produce the data, or any records showing that the survey had been undertaken. He said the 1997 hard drive crash that had affected several projects with co-authors had destroyed his survey data set,the original tally sheets had been abandoned with other personal property in his move from Chicago to Yale, and he could not recall the names of any of the students who he said had worked on it. Critics alleged that the survey had never taken place, but Lott defends the survey's existence and accuracy, quoting on his website colleagues who lost data in the hard drive crash



Mary Rosh persona

In response to the dispute surrounding the missing survey, Lott created and used "Mary Rosh" as a sock puppet to defend his own works on Usenet and elsewhere. After investigative work by blogger Julian Sanchez, Lott admitted to use of the Mary Rosh persona. Sanchez also pointed out that Lott, posing as Rosh, not only praised his own academic writing, but also called himself "the best professor I ever had".


lmaorog



John Lott - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yeah…..we have been through these attacks before, you are not the first anti gun extremist to try to smear Lott and you won't be the last….

Response to Malkin's Op-ed

people who say he gave them his info. easily

John Lott's website

David Friedman defends lott against various critics...

My_Comments_on_the_Lott_Controversy.html

zhou, donahue used the wrong numbers when they attempted to criticize lott...and then refused to admit their error....

Did John Lott Provide Bad Data to the NRC? A Note on Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang · Econ Journal Watch : Guns, crime, shall-issue, right-to-carry, NRC


Mother jones attack against Lottt…

John Lott's Website: Mother Jones joins the list of left wingers trying to discredit me and the Crime Prevention Research Center

So NO, you you don't refute Lott was paid by the gun makers, he couldn't back up his "study", he couldn't name a SINGLE student involved in the study OR that he falsely set up a sock puppet account to cheer-lead for himself

Thanks anyways Bubs

Okay moron……here you go….

He has forgotten the names of the students who allegedly helped with the survey and who supposedly dialed thousands of survey respondents long-distance from their own dorm rooms using survey software Lott can't identify or produce.


* I have hired lots of student RAs over the years. Since I have been at AEI in the last couple of years I have had around 25 people work for me on various projects. The students in question worked for me during the very beginning of 1997. While I can usually reconstruct who has worked for me, it requires that I have that material written down. The information on these students was lost in the hard disk crash and given that I had lost data for other projects such as three revise-and-resubmits that I had at the Journal of Political Economy it was not a particularly high priority.


I don’t have the original CD with telephone numbers from across the country that was used to obtain telephone numbers, but I have kept one that I obtained later in 1997 when I was considering redoing the survey and I still have that available.

Assuming the survey data was lost in a computer crash, it is still remarkable that Lott could not produce a single, contemporaneous scrap of paper proving the survey's existence, such as the research protocol or survey instrument.


3) I have statements from two people who took the survey and other confirmatory evidence. As to the written material, being asked for written material six years after the survey is a long time. After the survey was done, the material was kept on my computer. In addition, I have moved three times (Chicago to Yale to Pennsylvania to AEI) as well as changed offices at Chicago and Yale since the summer of 1997. Yet, besides the statements from the academics who can verify the hard disk crash as well as the statement of those who participated in the survey, I do have statements David Mustard, who I had talked to numerous times about doing the survey with me during 1996 and who remembers after that us talking about the survey after it was completed. He is “fairly confident” that those conversations took place during 1997. John Whitley and Geoff Huck also have some recollections. Russell Roberts, now a professor at George Mason, was someone else that I talked to about the survey, but he simply can’t remember one way of the other. I didn’t talk to people other than co-authors about the survey and the research that I was doing on guns generally. This is because of the often great hostility to my gun work and also because I didn’t want to give those who disliked me a heads-up on what I was doing. I did have the questions from the survey and they were reused in the replicated survey in 2002.

That is one feeble defense....

 

[2aguy]

Hemenway is a proven hack…..as noted in post after post. As pointed out by Lott….simply mentioning firearms in a paper does not make you a researcher in the field….and the health care researchers are notorious for having anti gun biases and shoddy work on gun related issues.

Lott is a proven hack who makes up surveys. His survey was feeble at best and imaginary at worst.

Your saying so does not make it so…..Lott is the preeminent researcher into gun self defense issues which is why you guys need to take him out…when you aren't lying about him you lie about Dr. Gary Kleck…..both of whom were anti gun, Lott was more neutral but anti gun leaning, and Dr. Kleck, an honest to goodness ACLU liberal, was anti gun……and then they actually did research on the topic….and found out how often and how effective guns are at keeping normal, peace loving people safe from violent criminal attack.

Yes I'm sure lott was real liberal when he was making up gun surveys to try and prove more guns equals less crime.

Sorry…..you need to actually research the topic….I was around here when Lott released his first research into guns. He was an actual professor of economics at the University of Chicago….he noticed that each side in the gun debate cherry picked different locations to push their points on gun control. So, as someone who was neutral but believed gun control would be a good idea, he decided to actually do research that wasn't biased.

How did he do that….he took crime data from every county in the United States and followed the implementation of concealed carry laws…..and that is when he discovered that they lowered the crime rate…..and damaged his career by publishing the research.

Yep, the Chi Boys are KNOWN to be neutral in the economics department *shaking head*


Lott was formerly employed at various academic institutions including the University of Chicago, Yale University, the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania, and the University of Maryland, College Park, and at the American Enterprise Institute conservative think tank.



Milton Friedman said that "John Lott has few equals as a perceptive analyst of controversial public policy issues."


Newsweek referred to Lott as "The Gun Crowd's Guru."


Charges that gun makers or the NRA have paid for Lott's research
In 1996 when Lott's research first received media attention,.. "The Associated Press reports that Prof. Lott's fellowship at the University of Chicago is funded by the Olin Foundation, which is 'associated with the Olin Corporation,' one of the nation's largest gun manufacturers. Maybe that's a coincidence, too. But it's also a fact.


Disputed survey


Lott claimed to have undertaken a national survey of 2,424 respondents in 1997, the results of which were the source for claims he had made beginning in 1997.However, in 2000 Lott was unable to produce the data, or any records showing that the survey had been undertaken. He said the 1997 hard drive crash that had affected several projects with co-authors had destroyed his survey data set,the original tally sheets had been abandoned with other personal property in his move from Chicago to Yale, and he could not recall the names of any of the students who he said had worked on it. Critics alleged that the survey had never taken place, but Lott defends the survey's existence and accuracy, quoting on his website colleagues who lost data in the hard drive crash



Mary Rosh persona

In response to the dispute surrounding the missing survey, Lott created and used "Mary Rosh" as a sock puppet to defend his own works on Usenet and elsewhere. After investigative work by blogger Julian Sanchez, Lott admitted to use of the Mary Rosh persona. Sanchez also pointed out that Lott, posing as Rosh, not only praised his own academic writing, but also called himself "the best professor I ever had".


lmaorog



John Lott - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Lott claimed to have undertaken a national survey of 2,424 respondents in 1997, the results of which were the source for claims he had made beginning in 1997.However, in 2000 Lott was unable to produce the data, or any records showing that the survey had been undertaken. He said the 1997 hard drive crash that had affected several projects with co-authors had destroyed his survey data set,the original tally sheets had been abandoned with other personal property in his move from Chicago to Yale, and he could not recall the names of any of the students who he said had worked on it. Critics alleged that the survey had never taken place, but Lott defends the survey's existence and accuracy, quoting on his website colleagues who lost data in the hard drive crash

And here Lott actually answers that issue….moron…..


Response to Malkin's Op-ed



Last fall, Northwestern University law professor James Lindgren volunteered to investigate the claimed existence of Lott's 1997 telephone survey of 2,424 people. "I thought it would be exceedingly simple to establish" that the research had been done, Lindgren wrote in his report.


Unfortunately, Malkin fails to mention that Lindgren is not an unbiased observer since I had written a journal article in Journal of Law & Politics critiquing some of his work months before he "volunteered to investigate" these claims.

It was not simple. Lott claims to have lost all of his data due to a computer crash.


2) As to the “claim” that I lost my data in a computer crash on July 3, 1997, I have offered Malkin the statements from nine academics (statements attached), four of whom I was co-authoring papers with at the time and who remember quite vividly also losing the data that we had on various projects. David Mustard at the University of Georgia spent considerable time during 1997 helping me replace gun crime data. Other academics worked with me to replace data on our other projects. Just so it is clear, this computer crash basically cost me all my data on all my projects up to that point in time, including all the data and word files for my book, More Guns, Less Crime, and numerous papers that were under review at journals. The next couple of years were hell trying to replace things and the data for this survey which ended up being one sentence in the book, was not of particular importance. However, all the data was replaced, including not only the large county level data, the state level data, as well as the survey data, when the survey was redone.

He financed the survey himself and kept no financial records.


* Unlike many academics, I have never asked for government support for my research. Nothing different or unusual was done in this case. While we still have the tax forms that we filed that show we made large expenditures on research assistants that year, my wife keeps our financial documents for the three years required by the IRS. I have provided my tax records from that year to several professors. Among them is a tax expert, Professor Joe Olson, at Hamline University in Minnesota, and he can verify this information. I have checked with the bank that we had an account with, but they only keep records five years back. Since wild claims have been made about the costs of the survey, some notion of its scope would be useful. The survey was structured so that over 90 percent of those questioned would only have to answer three short questions and those were usually completed in under 30 seconds. Less than one percent of those surveyed would actually answer as many as seven questions and even in that case the survey only took about two minutes. The appendix in The Bias Against Guns provides a description of the survey when it was replicated.

 

[Brain357]

Lott is a proven hack who makes up surveys. His survey was feeble at best and imaginary at worst.

Your saying so does not make it so…..Lott is the preeminent researcher into gun self defense issues which is why you guys need to take him out…when you aren't lying about him you lie about Dr. Gary Kleck…..both of whom were anti gun, Lott was more neutral but anti gun leaning, and Dr. Kleck, an honest to goodness ACLU liberal, was anti gun……and then they actually did research on the topic….and found out how often and how effective guns are at keeping normal, peace loving people safe from violent criminal attack.

Yes I'm sure lott was real liberal when he was making up gun surveys to try and prove more guns equals less crime.

Sorry…..you need to actually research the topic….I was around here when Lott released his first research into guns. He was an actual professor of economics at the University of Chicago….he noticed that each side in the gun debate cherry picked different locations to push their points on gun control. So, as someone who was neutral but believed gun control would be a good idea, he decided to actually do research that wasn't biased.

How did he do that….he took crime data from every county in the United States and followed the implementation of concealed carry laws…..and that is when he discovered that they lowered the crime rate…..and damaged his career by publishing the research.

Yep, the Chi Boys are KNOWN to be neutral in the economics department *shaking head*


Lott was formerly employed at various academic institutions including the University of Chicago, Yale University, the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania, and the University of Maryland, College Park, and at the American Enterprise Institute conservative think tank.



Milton Friedman said that "John Lott has few equals as a perceptive analyst of controversial public policy issues."


Newsweek referred to Lott as "The Gun Crowd's Guru."


Charges that gun makers or the NRA have paid for Lott's research
In 1996 when Lott's research first received media attention,.. "The Associated Press reports that Prof. Lott's fellowship at the University of Chicago is funded by the Olin Foundation, which is 'associated with the Olin Corporation,' one of the nation's largest gun manufacturers. Maybe that's a coincidence, too. But it's also a fact.


Disputed survey


Lott claimed to have undertaken a national survey of 2,424 respondents in 1997, the results of which were the source for claims he had made beginning in 1997.However, in 2000 Lott was unable to produce the data, or any records showing that the survey had been undertaken. He said the 1997 hard drive crash that had affected several projects with co-authors had destroyed his survey data set,the original tally sheets had been abandoned with other personal property in his move from Chicago to Yale, and he could not recall the names of any of the students who he said had worked on it. Critics alleged that the survey had never taken place, but Lott defends the survey's existence and accuracy, quoting on his website colleagues who lost data in the hard drive crash



Mary Rosh persona

In response to the dispute surrounding the missing survey, Lott created and used "Mary Rosh" as a sock puppet to defend his own works on Usenet and elsewhere. After investigative work by blogger Julian Sanchez, Lott admitted to use of the Mary Rosh persona. Sanchez also pointed out that Lott, posing as Rosh, not only praised his own academic writing, but also called himself "the best professor I ever had".


lmaorog



John Lott - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Lott claimed to have undertaken a national survey of 2,424 respondents in 1997, the results of which were the source for claims he had made beginning in 1997.However, in 2000 Lott was unable to produce the data, or any records showing that the survey had been undertaken. He said the 1997 hard drive crash that had affected several projects with co-authors had destroyed his survey data set,the original tally sheets had been abandoned with other personal property in his move from Chicago to Yale, and he could not recall the names of any of the students who he said had worked on it. Critics alleged that the survey had never taken place, but Lott defends the survey's existence and accuracy, quoting on his website colleagues who lost data in the hard drive crash

And here Lott actually answers that issue….moron…..


Response to Malkin's Op-ed



Last fall, Northwestern University law professor James Lindgren volunteered to investigate the claimed existence of Lott's 1997 telephone survey of 2,424 people. "I thought it would be exceedingly simple to establish" that the research had been done, Lindgren wrote in his report.


Unfortunately, Malkin fails to mention that Lindgren is not an unbiased observer since I had written a journal article in Journal of Law & Politics critiquing some of his work months before he "volunteered to investigate" these claims.

It was not simple. Lott claims to have lost all of his data due to a computer crash.


2) As to the “claim” that I lost my data in a computer crash on July 3, 1997, I have offered Malkin the statements from nine academics (statements attached), four of whom I was co-authoring papers with at the time and who remember quite vividly also losing the data that we had on various projects. David Mustard at the University of Georgia spent considerable time during 1997 helping me replace gun crime data. Other academics worked with me to replace data on our other projects. Just so it is clear, this computer crash basically cost me all my data on all my projects up to that point in time, including all the data and word files for my book, More Guns, Less Crime, and numerous papers that were under review at journals. The next couple of years were hell trying to replace things and the data for this survey which ended up being one sentence in the book, was not of particular importance. However, all the data was replaced, including not only the large county level data, the state level data, as well as the survey data, when the survey was redone.

He financed the survey himself and kept no financial records.


* Unlike many academics, I have never asked for government support for my research. Nothing different or unusual was done in this case. While we still have the tax forms that we filed that show we made large expenditures on research assistants that year, my wife keeps our financial documents for the three years required by the IRS. I have provided my tax records from that year to several professors. Among them is a tax expert, Professor Joe Olson, at Hamline University in Minnesota, and he can verify this information. I have checked with the bank that we had an account with, but they only keep records five years back. Since wild claims have been made about the costs of the survey, some notion of its scope would be useful. The survey was structured so that over 90 percent of those questioned would only have to answer three short questions and those were usually completed in under 30 seconds. Less than one percent of those surveyed would actually answer as many as seven questions and even in that case the survey only took about two minutes. The appendix in The Bias Against Guns provides a description of the survey when it was replicated.

What kind of idiot wouldn't back up that kind of data? I call BS.

 

[Correll]

Wow. I have NEVER heard of a study being attacked by demanding the names of students who worked the study.

 

[2aguy]

Hemenway is a proven hack…..as noted in post after post. As pointed out by Lott….simply mentioning firearms in a paper does not make you a researcher in the field….and the health care researchers are notorious for having anti gun biases and shoddy work on gun related issues.

Lott is a proven hack who makes up surveys. His survey was feeble at best and imaginary at worst.

Your saying so does not make it so…..Lott is the preeminent researcher into gun self defense issues which is why you guys need to take him out…when you aren't lying about him you lie about Dr. Gary Kleck…..both of whom were anti gun, Lott was more neutral but anti gun leaning, and Dr. Kleck, an honest to goodness ACLU liberal, was anti gun……and then they actually did research on the topic….and found out how often and how effective guns are at keeping normal, peace loving people safe from violent criminal attack.

Yes I'm sure lott was real liberal when he was making up gun surveys to try and prove more guns equals less crime.

Sorry…..you need to actually research the topic….I was around here when Lott released his first research into guns. He was an actual professor of economics at the University of Chicago….he noticed that each side in the gun debate cherry picked different locations to push their points on gun control. So, as someone who was neutral but believed gun control would be a good idea, he decided to actually do research that wasn't biased.

How did he do that….he took crime data from every county in the United States and followed the implementation of concealed carry laws…..and that is when he discovered that they lowered the crime rate…..and damaged his career by publishing the research.

Yep, the Chi Boys are KNOWN to be neutral in the economics department *shaking head*


Lott was formerly employed at various academic institutions including the University of Chicago, Yale University, the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania, and the University of Maryland, College Park, and at the American Enterprise Institute conservative think tank.



Milton Friedman said that "John Lott has few equals as a perceptive analyst of controversial public policy issues."


Newsweek referred to Lott as "The Gun Crowd's Guru."


Charges that gun makers or the NRA have paid for Lott's research
In 1996 when Lott's research first received media attention,.. "The Associated Press reports that Prof. Lott's fellowship at the University of Chicago is funded by the Olin Foundation, which is 'associated with the Olin Corporation,' one of the nation's largest gun manufacturers. Maybe that's a coincidence, too. But it's also a fact.


Disputed survey


Lott claimed to have undertaken a national survey of 2,424 respondents in 1997, the results of which were the source for claims he had made beginning in 1997.However, in 2000 Lott was unable to produce the data, or any records showing that the survey had been undertaken. He said the 1997 hard drive crash that had affected several projects with co-authors had destroyed his survey data set,the original tally sheets had been abandoned with other personal property in his move from Chicago to Yale, and he could not recall the names of any of the students who he said had worked on it. Critics alleged that the survey had never taken place, but Lott defends the survey's existence and accuracy, quoting on his website colleagues who lost data in the hard drive crash



Mary Rosh persona

In response to the dispute surrounding the missing survey, Lott created and used "Mary Rosh" as a sock puppet to defend his own works on Usenet and elsewhere. After investigative work by blogger Julian Sanchez, Lott admitted to use of the Mary Rosh persona. Sanchez also pointed out that Lott, posing as Rosh, not only praised his own academic writing, but also called himself "the best professor I ever had".


lmaorog



John Lott - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Disputed survey


Lott claimed to have undertaken a national survey of 2,424 respondents in 1997, the results of which were the source for claims he had made beginning in 1997.However, in 2000 Lott was unable to produce the data, or any records showing that the survey had been undertaken. He said the 1997 hard drive crash that had affected several projects with co-authors had destroyed his survey data set,the original tally sheets had been abandoned with other personal property in his move from Chicago to Yale, and he could not recall the names of any of the students who he said had worked on it. Critics alleged that the survey had never taken place, but Lott defends the survey's existence and accuracy, quoting on his website colleagues who lost data in the hard drive crash

Assuming the survey data was lost in a computer crash, it is still remarkable that Lott could not produce a single, contemporaneous scrap of paper proving the survey's existence, such as the research protocol or survey instrument.


3) I have statements from two people who took the survey and other confirmatory evidence. As to the written material, being asked for written material six years after the survey is a long time. After the survey was done, the material was kept on my computer. In addition, I have moved three times (Chicago to Yale to Pennsylvania to AEI) as well as changed offices at Chicago and Yale since the summer of 1997. Yet, besides the statements from the academics who can verify the hard disk crash as well as the statement of those who participated in the survey, I do have statements David Mustard, who I had talked to numerous times about doing the survey with me during 1996 and who remembers after that us talking about the survey after it was completed.

He is “fairly confident” that those conversations took place during 1997. John Whitley and Geoff Huck also have some recollections. Russell Roberts, now a professor at George Mason, was someone else that I talked to about the survey, but he simply can’t remember one way of the other. I didn’t talk to people other than co-authors about the survey and the research that I was doing on guns generally. This is because of the often great hostility to my gun work and also because I didn’t want to give those who disliked me a heads-up on what I was doing. I did have the questions from the survey and they were reused in the replicated survey in 2002.

 

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Wow. I have NEVER heard of a study being attacked by demanding the names of students who worked the study.

I've never heard of anyone not backing up such a large study. It obviously was never done.

 

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Your saying so does not make it so…..Lott is the preeminent researcher into gun self defense issues which is why you guys need to take him out…when you aren't lying about him you lie about Dr. Gary Kleck…..both of whom were anti gun, Lott was more neutral but anti gun leaning, and Dr. Kleck, an honest to goodness ACLU liberal, was anti gun……and then they actually did research on the topic….and found out how often and how effective guns are at keeping normal, peace loving people safe from violent criminal attack.

Yes I'm sure lott was real liberal when he was making up gun surveys to try and prove more guns equals less crime.

Sorry…..you need to actually research the topic….I was around here when Lott released his first research into guns. He was an actual professor of economics at the University of Chicago….he noticed that each side in the gun debate cherry picked different locations to push their points on gun control. So, as someone who was neutral but believed gun control would be a good idea, he decided to actually do research that wasn't biased.

How did he do that….he took crime data from every county in the United States and followed the implementation of concealed carry laws…..and that is when he discovered that they lowered the crime rate…..and damaged his career by publishing the research.

Yep, the Chi Boys are KNOWN to be neutral in the economics department *shaking head*


Lott was formerly employed at various academic institutions including the University of Chicago, Yale University, the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania, and the University of Maryland, College Park, and at the American Enterprise Institute conservative think tank.



Milton Friedman said that "John Lott has few equals as a perceptive analyst of controversial public policy issues."


Newsweek referred to Lott as "The Gun Crowd's Guru."


Charges that gun makers or the NRA have paid for Lott's research
In 1996 when Lott's research first received media attention,.. "The Associated Press reports that Prof. Lott's fellowship at the University of Chicago is funded by the Olin Foundation, which is 'associated with the Olin Corporation,' one of the nation's largest gun manufacturers. Maybe that's a coincidence, too. But it's also a fact.


Disputed survey


Lott claimed to have undertaken a national survey of 2,424 respondents in 1997, the results of which were the source for claims he had made beginning in 1997.However, in 2000 Lott was unable to produce the data, or any records showing that the survey had been undertaken. He said the 1997 hard drive crash that had affected several projects with co-authors had destroyed his survey data set,the original tally sheets had been abandoned with other personal property in his move from Chicago to Yale, and he could not recall the names of any of the students who he said had worked on it. Critics alleged that the survey had never taken place, but Lott defends the survey's existence and accuracy, quoting on his website colleagues who lost data in the hard drive crash



Mary Rosh persona

In response to the dispute surrounding the missing survey, Lott created and used "Mary Rosh" as a sock puppet to defend his own works on Usenet and elsewhere. After investigative work by blogger Julian Sanchez, Lott admitted to use of the Mary Rosh persona. Sanchez also pointed out that Lott, posing as Rosh, not only praised his own academic writing, but also called himself "the best professor I ever had".


lmaorog



John Lott - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Lott claimed to have undertaken a national survey of 2,424 respondents in 1997, the results of which were the source for claims he had made beginning in 1997.However, in 2000 Lott was unable to produce the data, or any records showing that the survey had been undertaken. He said the 1997 hard drive crash that had affected several projects with co-authors had destroyed his survey data set,the original tally sheets had been abandoned with other personal property in his move from Chicago to Yale, and he could not recall the names of any of the students who he said had worked on it. Critics alleged that the survey had never taken place, but Lott defends the survey's existence and accuracy, quoting on his website colleagues who lost data in the hard drive crash

And here Lott actually answers that issue….moron…..


Response to Malkin's Op-ed



Last fall, Northwestern University law professor James Lindgren volunteered to investigate the claimed existence of Lott's 1997 telephone survey of 2,424 people. "I thought it would be exceedingly simple to establish" that the research had been done, Lindgren wrote in his report.


Unfortunately, Malkin fails to mention that Lindgren is not an unbiased observer since I had written a journal article in Journal of Law & Politics critiquing some of his work months before he "volunteered to investigate" these claims.

It was not simple. Lott claims to have lost all of his data due to a computer crash.


2) As to the “claim” that I lost my data in a computer crash on July 3, 1997, I have offered Malkin the statements from nine academics (statements attached), four of whom I was co-authoring papers with at the time and who remember quite vividly also losing the data that we had on various projects. David Mustard at the University of Georgia spent considerable time during 1997 helping me replace gun crime data. Other academics worked with me to replace data on our other projects. Just so it is clear, this computer crash basically cost me all my data on all my projects up to that point in time, including all the data and word files for my book, More Guns, Less Crime, and numerous papers that were under review at journals. The next couple of years were hell trying to replace things and the data for this survey which ended up being one sentence in the book, was not of particular importance. However, all the data was replaced, including not only the large county level data, the state level data, as well as the survey data, when the survey was redone.

He financed the survey himself and kept no financial records.


* Unlike many academics, I have never asked for government support for my research. Nothing different or unusual was done in this case. While we still have the tax forms that we filed that show we made large expenditures on research assistants that year, my wife keeps our financial documents for the three years required by the IRS. I have provided my tax records from that year to several professors. Among them is a tax expert, Professor Joe Olson, at Hamline University in Minnesota, and he can verify this information. I have checked with the bank that we had an account with, but they only keep records five years back. Since wild claims have been made about the costs of the survey, some notion of its scope would be useful. The survey was structured so that over 90 percent of those questioned would only have to answer three short questions and those were usually completed in under 30 seconds. Less than one percent of those surveyed would actually answer as many as seven questions and even in that case the survey only took about two minutes. The appendix in The Bias Against Guns provides a description of the survey when it was replicated.

What kind of idiot wouldn't back up that kind of data? I call BS.

It was 97, they didn't have the cloud back then….you assholes…if only you questioned your left wing idols the same way you wouldn't be left wing anymore…...