Flynn under fire just for negotiating with the Russians against the law

[initforme]

Flynngate.....its catchy. Coming to a town near you. Lmao at this stuff.

 

[Lakhota]

Flynngate: national security adviser Michael T. Flynn discussed American sanctions against Russia and possible cooperation with the country weeks before Trump's inauguration.

Flynngate is getting serious!

Neither of those assertions is consistent with the fuller account of Flynn's contacts with Kislyak provided by officials who had access to reports from U.S. intelligence and law enforcement agencies that routinely monitor the communications of Russian diplomats. Nine current and former officials, who were in senior positions at multiple agencies at the time of the calls, spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence matters.

Read more here: U.S. officials say Michael Flynn discussed sanctions with Russia before inauguration

 

[Seawytch]

Making deals or arrangements with another country while a sitting President is still in office? You determine that

Did not happen Flynn made no deal dumb ass, remind us how Kerry should not have been prosecuted for treason and negotiating with the Vietnamese in France in the 70's but this is different?

No one said he made a deal, the fact that a conversation even took place before Trump was sworn into office is illegal

Cool story....so post the law.

Are we supposed to be surprised that Trump's National Security Advisor Mike Flynn talked to the Russians about removing sanctions (which are supposed to punish them for interfering with our election on behalf of Trump) BEFORE he took office, in direct violation of statutes that say NO MIKE FLYNN you can't make foreign policy from your cellphone just because the Russians helped your boss win an election.

That's a power grab from the sitting President of the United States, and it's TREASON.

That's a power grab from the sitting President of the United States, and it's TREASON.

I'm shocked!!! You don't know the definition of treason.

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 807; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(2)(J), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)

Yeah, it's not treason. It IS a violation of the Logan Act.


§ 953. Private correspondence with foreign governments.

Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply himself, or his agent, to any foreign government, or the agents thereof, for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.
1 Stat. 613, January 30, 1799, codified at 18 U.S.C. § 953 (2004).

 

[ClosedCaption]

What law? You almost gotta admire the left (with the willing cooperation of the criminal conspiracy known as the mainstream media) for it's ability to turn foreign policy propaganda on a dime . Years ago negotiation was a good thing. Now it's against the law.

Sad

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Did not happen Flynn made no deal dumb ass, remind us how Kerry should not have been prosecuted for treason and negotiating with the Vietnamese in France in the 70's but this is different?

No one said he made a deal, the fact that a conversation even took place before Trump was sworn into office is illegal

Cool story....so post the law.

Are we supposed to be surprised that Trump's National Security Advisor Mike Flynn talked to the Russians about removing sanctions (which are supposed to punish them for interfering with our election on behalf of Trump) BEFORE he took office, in direct violation of statutes that say NO MIKE FLYNN you can't make foreign policy from your cellphone just because the Russians helped your boss win an election.

That's a power grab from the sitting President of the United States, and it's TREASON.

That's a power grab from the sitting President of the United States, and it's TREASON.

I'm shocked!!! You don't know the definition of treason.

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 807; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(2)(J), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)

Yeah, it's not treason. It IS a violation of the Logan Act.


§ 953. Private correspondence with foreign governments.

Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply himself, or his agent, to any foreign government, or the agents thereof, for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.
1 Stat. 613, January 30, 1799, codified at 18 U.S.C. § 953 (2004).

with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof,

Did anyone influence the Russian government?

or to defeat the measures of the United States,

Did anyone defeat the measures of the US? How?

 

[FA_Q2]

No one said he made a deal, the fact that a conversation even took place before Trump was sworn into office is illegal

Cool story....so post the law.

Are we supposed to be surprised that Trump's National Security Advisor Mike Flynn talked to the Russians about removing sanctions (which are supposed to punish them for interfering with our election on behalf of Trump) BEFORE he took office, in direct violation of statutes that say NO MIKE FLYNN you can't make foreign policy from your cellphone just because the Russians helped your boss win an election.

That's a power grab from the sitting President of the United States, and it's TREASON.

That's a power grab from the sitting President of the United States, and it's TREASON.

I'm shocked!!! You don't know the definition of treason.

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 807; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(2)(J), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)

Yeah, it's not treason. It IS a violation of the Logan Act.


§ 953. Private correspondence with foreign governments.

Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply himself, or his agent, to any foreign government, or the agents thereof, for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.
1 Stat. 613, January 30, 1799, codified at 18 U.S.C. § 953 (2004).

with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof,

Did anyone influence the Russian government?

or to defeat the measures of the United States,

Did anyone defeat the measures of the US? How?

That is the part that is alleged. I do not think that this is any different than the meeting that Bill Clinton just happened to have with the AG. People in those positions simply do not bump into each other with that kind of timing.

It would be hypocritical to be critical of that meeting but somehow give a pass to this one.

 

[FA_Q2]

What law? You almost gotta admire the left (with the willing cooperation of the criminal conspiracy known as the mainstream media) for it's ability to turn foreign policy propaganda on a dime . Years ago negotiation was a good thing. Now it's against the law.

Who said negotiation was against the law?

The point that was made was that he may have been negotiating or influencing a foreign dignitary counter to Obama's direction while Obama was in the white house. Do you think that it is okay for presidential staff that may be taking the white house to undermine those that are occupying the it now?

 

[Seawytch]

Cool story....so post the law.

Are we supposed to be surprised that Trump's National Security Advisor Mike Flynn talked to the Russians about removing sanctions (which are supposed to punish them for interfering with our election on behalf of Trump) BEFORE he took office, in direct violation of statutes that say NO MIKE FLYNN you can't make foreign policy from your cellphone just because the Russians helped your boss win an election.

That's a power grab from the sitting President of the United States, and it's TREASON.

That's a power grab from the sitting President of the United States, and it's TREASON.

I'm shocked!!! You don't know the definition of treason.

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 807; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(2)(J), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)

Yeah, it's not treason. It IS a violation of the Logan Act.


§ 953. Private correspondence with foreign governments.

Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply himself, or his agent, to any foreign government, or the agents thereof, for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.
1 Stat. 613, January 30, 1799, codified at 18 U.S.C. § 953 (2004).

with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof,

Did anyone influence the Russian government?

or to defeat the measures of the United States,

Did anyone defeat the measures of the US? How?

That is the part that is alleged. I do not think that this is any different than the meeting that Bill Clinton just happened to have with the AG. People in those positions simply do not bump into each other with that kind of timing.

It would be hypocritical to be critical of that meeting but somehow give a pass to this one.

Actually it is much different. Flynn broke the law, Clinton didn't.

What Flynn did wasn't an "accidental meeting".

Just how much trouble is Michael Flynn in?

All of those officials said Flynn’s references to the election-related sanctions were explicit. Two of those officials went further, saying that Flynn urged Russia not to overreact to the penalties being imposed by President Barack Obama, making clear that the two sides would be in position to review the matter after Trump was sworn in as president.

“Kislyak was left with the impression that the sanctions would be revisited at a later time,” said a former official.​

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

What law? You almost gotta admire the left (with the willing cooperation of the criminal conspiracy known as the mainstream media) for it's ability to turn foreign policy propaganda on a dime . Years ago negotiation was a good thing. Now it's against the law.

Who said negotiation was against the law?

The point that was made was that he may have been negotiating or influencing a foreign dignitary counter to Obama's direction while Obama was in the white house. Do you think that it is okay for presidential staff that may be taking the white house to undermine those that are occupying the it now?

influencing a foreign dignitary counter to Obama's direction while Obama was in the white house.

How?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Flynn was discussing lifting sanctions with Russia? Told you guys that Trump has a special relationship with Putin.

Thats a totally illegal act, yet not a single republican will complain. Just think the reaction if this would have been Obama's administration.

Thats a totally illegal act,

Why do you feel that way?

Making deals or arrangements with another country while a sitting President is still in office? You determine that

Did not happen Flynn made no deal dumb ass, remind us how Kerry should not have been prosecuted for treason and negotiating with the Vietnamese in France in the 70's but this is different?

No one said he made a deal, the fact that a conversation even took place before Trump was sworn into office is illegal

No it is not. The law does not make conversations between incoming administrations and foreign Governments illegal. Or perhaps you can ACTUAL link us to such a law?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Are we supposed to be surprised that Trump's National Security Advisor Mike Flynn talked to the Russians about removing sanctions (which are supposed to punish them for interfering with our election on behalf of Trump) BEFORE he took office, in direct violation of statutes that say NO MIKE FLYNN you can't make foreign policy from your cellphone just because the Russians helped your boss win an election.

That's a power grab from the sitting President of the United States, and it's TREASON.

That's a power grab from the sitting President of the United States, and it's TREASON.

I'm shocked!!! You don't know the definition of treason.

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 807; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(2)(J), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)

Yeah, it's not treason. It IS a violation of the Logan Act.


§ 953. Private correspondence with foreign governments.

Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply himself, or his agent, to any foreign government, or the agents thereof, for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.
1 Stat. 613, January 30, 1799, codified at 18 U.S.C. § 953 (2004).

with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof,

Did anyone influence the Russian government?

or to defeat the measures of the United States,

Did anyone defeat the measures of the US? How?

That is the part that is alleged. I do not think that this is any different than the meeting that Bill Clinton just happened to have with the AG. People in those positions simply do not bump into each other with that kind of timing.

It would be hypocritical to be critical of that meeting but somehow give a pass to this one.

Actually it is much different. Flynn broke the law, Clinton didn't.

What Flynn did wasn't an "accidental meeting".

Just how much trouble is Michael Flynn in?

All of those officials said Flynn’s references to the election-related sanctions were explicit. Two of those officials went further, saying that Flynn urged Russia not to overreact to the penalties being imposed by President Barack Obama, making clear that the two sides would be in position to review the matter after Trump was sworn in as president.

“Kislyak was left with the impression that the sanctions would be revisited at a later time,” said a former official.​

saying that Flynn urged Russia not to overreact to the penalties being imposed by President Barack Obama, making clear that the two sides would be in position to review the matter after Trump was sworn in as president.

Any new administration planning to change course will review matters. Everyone knows that.
That against the law?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Thats a totally illegal act,

Why do you feel that way?

Making deals or arrangements with another country while a sitting President is still in office? You determine that

Did not happen Flynn made no deal dumb ass, remind us how Kerry should not have been prosecuted for treason and negotiating with the Vietnamese in France in the 70's but this is different?

No one said he made a deal, the fact that a conversation even took place before Trump was sworn into office is illegal

Cool story....so post the law.

Are we supposed to be surprised that Trump's National Security Advisor Mike Flynn talked to the Russians about removing sanctions (which are supposed to punish them for interfering with our election on behalf of Trump) BEFORE he took office, in direct violation of statutes that say NO MIKE FLYNN you can't make foreign policy from your cellphone just because the Russians helped your boss win an election.

That's a power grab from the sitting President of the United States, and it's TREASON.

Post the law or admit you are lying.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Cool story....so post the law.

Are we supposed to be surprised that Trump's National Security Advisor Mike Flynn talked to the Russians about removing sanctions (which are supposed to punish them for interfering with our election on behalf of Trump) BEFORE he took office, in direct violation of statutes that say NO MIKE FLYNN you can't make foreign policy from your cellphone just because the Russians helped your boss win an election.

That's a power grab from the sitting President of the United States, and it's TREASON.

That's a power grab from the sitting President of the United States, and it's TREASON.

I'm shocked!!! You don't know the definition of treason.

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 807; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(2)(J), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)

Yeah, it's not treason. It IS a violation of the Logan Act.


§ 953. Private correspondence with foreign governments.

Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply himself, or his agent, to any foreign government, or the agents thereof, for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.
1 Stat. 613, January 30, 1799, codified at 18 U.S.C. § 953 (2004).

with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof,

Did anyone influence the Russian government?

or to defeat the measures of the United States,

Did anyone defeat the measures of the US? How?

That is the part that is alleged. I do not think that this is any different than the meeting that Bill Clinton just happened to have with the AG. People in those positions simply do not bump into each other with that kind of timing.

It would be hypocritical to be critical of that meeting but somehow give a pass to this one.

I do not think that this is any different than the meeting that Bill Clinton just happened to have with the AG.

You saying Flynn offered a bribe as Clinton is alleged to have offered?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Did not happen Flynn made no deal dumb ass, remind us how Kerry should not have been prosecuted for treason and negotiating with the Vietnamese in France in the 70's but this is different?

No one said he made a deal, the fact that a conversation even took place before Trump was sworn into office is illegal

Cool story....so post the law.

Are we supposed to be surprised that Trump's National Security Advisor Mike Flynn talked to the Russians about removing sanctions (which are supposed to punish them for interfering with our election on behalf of Trump) BEFORE he took office, in direct violation of statutes that say NO MIKE FLYNN you can't make foreign policy from your cellphone just because the Russians helped your boss win an election.

That's a power grab from the sitting President of the United States, and it's TREASON.

That's a power grab from the sitting President of the United States, and it's TREASON.

I'm shocked!!! You don't know the definition of treason.

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 807; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(2)(J), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)

Yeah, it's not treason. It IS a violation of the Logan Act.


§ 953. Private correspondence with foreign governments.

Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply himself, or his agent, to any foreign government, or the agents thereof, for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.
1 Stat. 613, January 30, 1799, codified at 18 U.S.C. § 953 (2004).

That law does not say what you think it says. The incoming administration is legally able to have discussions with foreign Governments and make planning for things to happen when they take over.

Remind me how you support arresting Kerry for making deals as a PRIVATE citizen with a Country we were at war with and negotiating a deal with? Or was that different cause Kerry is a democrat, Kerry wasn't even a politician at the time nor a member of any Government.

 

[basquebromance]

Congressman Devin Nunes, an expert on security, said Flynn will keep his job, adding: "there's nothing there"

but Little Marco Rubio wants an investigation.

 

[basquebromance]

General Flynn is a genius who predicted ISIS in 2012, warned Obama to stop arming rebels

 

[FA_Q2]

Congressman Devin Nunes, an expert on security, said Flynn will keep his job, adding: "there's nothing there"

but Little Marco Rubio wants an investigation.

It seems that he was incorrect.

 

[Lakhota]

Did Trump commit treason if he directed Flynn's contacts with Russians - even before Trump was sworn in as president? After all, even private citizens can commit treason.

 

[yiostheoy]

Flynn resigned.

Fell on his sword like a true soldier.

Trump's national security advisor, Michael Flynn, resigns over contacts with Russia

 

[Lakhota]

What did Trump know and when did he know it?