Food industry braces for Obama trans fat ban

[paulitician]

Ironic to cry the blues about "Authoritarianism", when you can't get your knee pads on fast enough any time a corporation says boo, doncha think, fascist sycophant?

One day Americans will beg Big Brother for just a little food, water, and electricity. They'll thank him and praise him for the tiny scraps he'll throw to them. That is where we're heading. Bet on that.

You could be right, but that is no reason why we should allow people to feed poison to the population in the mean time. Government's job at minimum is to protect the citizens from harm, both external and internal.

Along with freedom comes choices and personal responsibility. Trans fats are not poisons... unless you're ingesting a shitload of them daily.

You are admitting that trans fat has at least a potential to be a poison. Unfortunately, millions of people ingested large amounts of trans fats in the past and it killed them after causing heart disease and strokes. As you know, the affect is cumulative. It may take many years for the poisonous effect to cause death, but the length of time a poison takes to cause harm is not an issue as to whether it is a poison or not. I agree that along with freedom comes choices, but not informing the consumer of an ingredient in a product does not offer freedom. Freedom would only be present if the producer informs the consumer of what is in the product.

WOW! Another far left drone running a narrative, go figure.

Well many things are poison, some are so allergic to peanut oil that is a poison to them so that means we should ban peanut oil.

Like I posted earlier based on the far left logic being displayed, might as well ban cars as well. As a matter of fact might as well ban breathing..

Yeah, the loose use of the word 'Poison' is clearly a shallow fear mongering tactic.

 

[Pogo]

... that is no reason why we should allow people to feed poison to the population in the mean time. Government's job at minimum is to protect the citizens from harm, both external and internal.

Poison? Oh, you mean making your Biggie Fries a little less healthy?
LOL

Taken in enough quantity over time it will without debate cause a deathly illness. It has no known nutritional value. But the case should not be about whether it can be allowed in food. The case should have been whether producers can add it in trace amounts without listing those trace amounts on the label. I have no problem with a person wanting to ingest trans fat and having the freedom to do so. I have a problem with people not wanting to ingest it and being tricked into ingesting it in quantities that have been proven to be harmful. Trans fat has a cumulative affect. A person should be able to judge for themselves how much is safe and at what point it will act as a poison. When you buy a loaf of bread you should be able to know if every slice you eat has trans fat, or no trans fat. You should be permitted to decide for yourself when you might ingest moderate or limited amounts of trans fat. I just don't see why a food producer needs to be allowed to hide what they put into their product.

Then why support an outright ban over proper labeling?

What are you talking about? I am in favor of accurate labeling. The law to now has allowed trace amounts of trans fats to be in food without appearing as such on the label. That is what the industry demanded.

But the move is to ban trans fats - NOT to correct labeling.

You keep trotting out that bullshit canard.
From the OP article:

“The agency has made a preliminary determination that partially hydrogenated oils, a major source of trans fat in processed food, are not generally recognized as safe for food,” FDA Commissioner Margaret Hamburg told reporters during a conference call Thursday morning, referencing the regulatory standard used by the agency to determine the safety of food ingredients.

“Generally recognized as safe” is industry-speak for a substance that food manufacturers have self-determined is safe. Under its proposal, FDA would rescind trans fat’s GRAS status.​

and what that means is:

The agency is accepting comments for 60 days, and then, if finalized, food manufacturers could only use partially hydrogenated oils if they apply to use them as food additives, which means companies would have to determine they do not harm the public health.​

Even the OP itself in its hopless bias only claims "The Obama administration is expected to all but ban trans fat" -- which is STILL bogus bias, as it's the FDA -- not "the Obama Administration". The FDA is always there, regardless the Administration, and has been since it was created -- by Republicans.

There is no "ban". All taking transfats off the GRAS list means is that if you put 'em in there, you have to show that they're not malicious-- puts the burden of proof on the foodmonger. What a fuckin' nightmare huh? Having to show you're not selling me poison, oh the indignity!

What you whiners are whining about is the prospect of Corporatia not being allowed to get away with a lie. Which is what "here, eat this" is when you know it's got poison in it.

The weird thing is, we did all this last time this same thing came up, and here y'all are again trying to make the same bullshit case that's already been shot down. Expecting different results are we?

 

[Pogo]

If they're using terms like 'Poison', you know they're fear mongering.

Interesting flailing attempt at identifying an Appeal to Emotion fallacy.
--what do you suppose an army of Randbots calling a burden of proof a "ban" is then?


Btw, vocabulary lesson of the day -- something in your food that kills you is called a "poison".

 

[paulitician]

Future studies will likely conclude that these studies were completely inaccurate. Happens all the time. Trans Fat is just the Boogeyman flavor of the week. No pun intended... Ok, a little intended.

 

[paulitician]

What's next, banning Big Gulps? Oh wait...

 

[Pogo]

Future studies will likely conclude that these studies were completely inaccurate. Happens all the time. Trans Fat is just the Boogeyman flavor of the week. No pun intended... Ok, a little intended.

Doesn't even matter -- again for the slow of wit, taking something off the GRAS list means you have to ensure it isn't harmful. If you can do that, you go ahead and trans fat all day.

 

[paulitician]

If they're using terms like 'Poison', you know they're fear mongering.

Interesting flailing attempt at identifying an Appeal to Emotion fallacy.
--what do you suppose an army of Randbots calling a burden of proof a "ban" is then?


Btw, vocabulary lesson of the day -- something in your food that kills you is called a "poison".

Hey, fear works. I get it. Trans Fat is evil poison. We all gon die!!!!!

 

[Camp]

Future studies will likely conclude that these studies were completely inaccurate. Happens all the time. Trans Fat is just the Boogeyman flavor of the week. No pun intended... Ok, a little intended.

No they won't. The damage done by trans fat is a long established scientific fact. It has been studied from the USA to China and every nation that has medical research facilities in between. They all have come to the same conclusion. Putting a substance into your body that coagulates inside blood vessels to the point of creating blockage of blood flow is unhealthy. Want to do your own experiment? Pore grease down your kitchen drain every day and watch what happens.

 

[paulitician]

Future studies will likely conclude that these studies were completely inaccurate. Happens all the time. Trans Fat is just the Boogeyman flavor of the week. No pun intended... Ok, a little intended.

Doesn't even matter -- again for the slow of wit, taking something off the GRAS list means you have to ensure it isn't harmful. If you can do that, you go ahead and trans fat all day.

It's a Trans Fat Genocide i tells ya!!! Seriously though, I think ISIS is behind it. It's a National Security issue.

 

[FA_Q2]

Poison? Oh, you mean making your Biggie Fries a little less healthy?
LOL

Taken in enough quantity over time it will without debate cause a deathly illness. It has no known nutritional value. But the case should not be about whether it can be allowed in food. The case should have been whether producers can add it in trace amounts without listing those trace amounts on the label. I have no problem with a person wanting to ingest trans fat and having the freedom to do so. I have a problem with people not wanting to ingest it and being tricked into ingesting it in quantities that have been proven to be harmful. Trans fat has a cumulative affect. A person should be able to judge for themselves how much is safe and at what point it will act as a poison. When you buy a loaf of bread you should be able to know if every slice you eat has trans fat, or no trans fat. You should be permitted to decide for yourself when you might ingest moderate or limited amounts of trans fat. I just don't see why a food producer needs to be allowed to hide what they put into their product.

Then why support an outright ban over proper labeling?

What are you talking about? I am in favor of accurate labeling. The law to now has allowed trace amounts of trans fats to be in food without appearing as such on the label. That is what the industry demanded.

But the move is to ban trans fats - NOT to correct labeling.

You keep trotting out that bullshit canard.
From the OP article:

“The agency has made a preliminary determination that partially hydrogenated oils, a major source of trans fat in processed food, are not generally recognized as safe for food,” FDA Commissioner Margaret Hamburg told reporters during a conference call Thursday morning, referencing the regulatory standard used by the agency to determine the safety of food ingredients.

“Generally recognized as safe” is industry-speak for a substance that food manufacturers have self-determined is safe. Under its proposal, FDA would rescind trans fat’s GRAS status.​

and what that means is:

The agency is accepting comments for 60 days, and then, if finalized, food manufacturers could only use partially hydrogenated oils if they apply to use them as food additives, which means companies would have to determine they do not harm the public health.​

Even the OP itself in its hopless bias only claims "The Obama administration is expected to all but ban trans fat" -- which is STILL bogus bias, as it's the FDA -- not "the Obama Administration". The FDA is always there, regardless the Administration, and has been since it was created -- by Republicans.

There is no "ban". All taking transfats off the GRAS list means is that if you put 'em in there, you have to show that they're not malicious-- puts the burden of proof on the foodmonger. What a fuckin' nightmare huh? Having to show you're not selling me poison, oh the indignity!

What you whiners are whining about is the prospect of Corporatia not being allowed to get away with a lie. Which is what "here, eat this" is when you know it's got poison in it.

The weird thing is, we did all this last time this same thing came up, and here y'all are again trying to make the same bullshit case that's already been shot down. Expecting different results are we?

And that means they are effectively banned. Nice try though.

I am not expecting different results from last time which is why I am not engaging you. Last time you miss-represented my position, name called out the ass and completely ignored any point brought to you – exactly like you are doing now. As such, I am going to treat you like the whining child that you have acted like and ignore your posts in this thread. Sorry that the ‘randbots’ and ‘freedumb’ people are not willing to play your idiotic games but I am not either.

 

[paulitician]

Future studies will likely conclude that these studies were completely inaccurate. Happens all the time. Trans Fat is just the Boogeyman flavor of the week. No pun intended... Ok, a little intended.

No they won't. The damage done by trans fat is a long established scientific fact. It has been studied from the USA to China and every nation that has medical research facilities in between. They all have come to the same conclusion. Putting a substance into your body that coagulates inside blood vessels to the point of creating blockage of blood flow is unhealthy. Want to do your own experiment? Pore grease down your kitchen drain every day and watch what happens.

Most thought the world was flat once too. People need to stop being so susceptible to fear.

 

[Pogo]

Future studies will likely conclude that these studies were completely inaccurate. Happens all the time. Trans Fat is just the Boogeyman flavor of the week. No pun intended... Ok, a little intended.

Doesn't even matter -- again for the slow of wit, taking something off the GRAS list means you have to ensure it isn't harmful. If you can do that, you go ahead and trans fat all day.

It's a Trans Fat Genocide i tells ya!!! Seriously though, I think ISIS is behind it. It's a National Security issue.

If trans fats were conclusively shown to cause Ebola and the FDA responded, there would be some Randbot on here wailing about their right to Ebola. Within ten minutes. The wages of blind ideology.

 

[paulitician]

Future studies will likely conclude that these studies were completely inaccurate. Happens all the time. Trans Fat is just the Boogeyman flavor of the week. No pun intended... Ok, a little intended.

Doesn't even matter -- again for the slow of wit, taking something off the GRAS list means you have to ensure it isn't harmful. If you can do that, you go ahead and trans fat all day.

It's a Trans Fat Genocide i tells ya!!! Seriously though, I think ISIS is behind it. It's a National Security issue.

If trans fats were conclusively shown to cause Ebola and the FDA responded, there would be some Randbot on here wailing about their right to Ebola. Within ten minutes.

Now that's just stupid. You're reaching.

 

[Pogo]

Future studies will likely conclude that these studies were completely inaccurate. Happens all the time. Trans Fat is just the Boogeyman flavor of the week. No pun intended... Ok, a little intended.

Doesn't even matter -- again for the slow of wit, taking something off the GRAS list means you have to ensure it isn't harmful. If you can do that, you go ahead and trans fat all day.

It's a Trans Fat Genocide i tells ya!!! Seriously though, I think ISIS is behind it. It's a National Security issue.

If trans fats were conclusively shown to cause Ebola and the FDA responded, there would be some Randbot on here wailing about their right to Ebola. Within ten minutes.

Now that's just stupid. You're reaching.

It IS stupid. Mindless in fact. And it would be a reach.

But it's exactly what's happening here, minus the word "Ebola".

 

[Flopper]

Yet heart disease is the number one killer in this country. You are an extremist of the worst kind. The FDA is going to remove a poison from food that you can't taste, and won't miss, but your ideology is more important than the lives of your fellow countrymen and women. You are mentally ill and need help.

Poor eating and lifestyle choices lead to heart disease. Typically, liberals find a bogey man to blame. Also typically, if a lib doesn't like something they want to outlaw it for everyone. But why stop there if your concern is genuine? Why not ban processed foods, period?

Food products should be banned only if they are either proved to be very danger to the public such as puffer fish, or products that are a serious health risk where the public is not able to evaluate that risk, such as foods with trans fats.

 

[paulitician]

Future studies will likely conclude that these studies were completely inaccurate. Happens all the time. Trans Fat is just the Boogeyman flavor of the week. No pun intended... Ok, a little intended.

Doesn't even matter -- again for the slow of wit, taking something off the GRAS list means you have to ensure it isn't harmful. If you can do that, you go ahead and trans fat all day.

It's a Trans Fat Genocide i tells ya!!! Seriously though, I think ISIS is behind it. It's a National Security issue.

If trans fats were conclusively shown to cause Ebola and the FDA responded, there would be some Randbot on here wailing about their right to Ebola. Within ten minutes.

Now that's just stupid. You're reaching.

It IS stupid. Mindless in fact. And it would be a reach.

But it's exactly what's happening here, minus the word "Ebola".

Yes, it's Ebola. Sure it is.

 

[Camp]

Future studies will likely conclude that these studies were completely inaccurate. Happens all the time. Trans Fat is just the Boogeyman flavor of the week. No pun intended... Ok, a little intended.

No they won't. The damage done by trans fat is a long established scientific fact. It has been studied from the USA to China and every nation that has medical research facilities in between. They all have come to the same conclusion. Putting a substance into your body that coagulates inside blood vessels to the point of creating blockage of blood flow is unhealthy. Want to do your own experiment? Pore grease down your kitchen drain every day and watch what happens.

Most thought the world was flat once too. People need to stop being so susceptible to fear.

People like you need to stop thinking your personal political preferences and beliefs supersede common sense, science and public safety. I don't want private for profit businesses to be allowed to add ingredients to my child's food without being required to tell me. And I don't want them to be able to play games with ingredients that are proven to be harmful at any level. Some things just don't belong in food. Artificially produced trans fat is one of them.

 

[Kosh]

Future studies will likely conclude that these studies were completely inaccurate. Happens all the time. Trans Fat is just the Boogeyman flavor of the week. No pun intended... Ok, a little intended.

Doesn't even matter -- again for the slow of wit, taking something off the GRAS list means you have to ensure it isn't harmful. If you can do that, you go ahead and trans fat all day.

It's a Trans Fat Genocide i tells ya!!! Seriously though, I think ISIS is behind it. It's a National Security issue.

If trans fats were conclusively shown to cause Ebola and the FDA responded, there would be some Randbot on here wailing about their right to Ebola. Within ten minutes.

Now that's just stupid. You're reaching.

Be careful of the reach around!

 

[Kosh]

Future studies will likely conclude that these studies were completely inaccurate. Happens all the time. Trans Fat is just the Boogeyman flavor of the week. No pun intended... Ok, a little intended.

No they won't. The damage done by trans fat is a long established scientific fact. It has been studied from the USA to China and every nation that has medical research facilities in between. They all have come to the same conclusion. Putting a substance into your body that coagulates inside blood vessels to the point of creating blockage of blood flow is unhealthy. Want to do your own experiment? Pore grease down your kitchen drain every day and watch what happens.

Most thought the world was flat once too. People need to stop being so susceptible to fear.

People like you need to stop thinking your personal political preferences and beliefs supersede common sense, science and public safety. I don't want private for profit businesses to be allowed to add ingredients to my child's food without being required to tell me. And I don't want them to be able to play games with ingredients that are proven to be harmful at any level. Some things just don't belong in food. Artificially produced trans fat is one of them.

Oh my the irony impaired far left drones and their comments!

Yet they are ok with government telling what to do without any explanation..

 

[paulitician]

Yet heart disease is the number one killer in this country. You are an extremist of the worst kind. The FDA is going to remove a poison from food that you can't taste, and won't miss, but your ideology is more important than the lives of your fellow countrymen and women. You are mentally ill and need help.

Poor eating and lifestyle choices lead to heart disease. Typically, liberals find a bogey man to blame. Also typically, if a lib doesn't like something they want to outlaw it for everyone. But why stop there if your concern is genuine? Why not ban processed foods, period?

Food products should be banned only if they are either proved to be very danger to the public such as puffer fish, or products that are a serious health risk where the public is not able to evaluate that risk, such as foods with trans fats.

Well then they should become more responsible and learn how to evaluate. If you eat too many greasy french fries, it's probably not too good for you. It isn't rocket science. We can't just ban things because many among us are lazy & dumb.