Food industry braces for Obama trans fat ban

[paulitician]

Is Margarine still committing genocide on the poor unsuspecting public? Remember when that was supposed to be killing everyone? Of course later studies showed that to be absolute Bullshite.

Never trust anyone who depends on Government funding for their 'studies.' That's exactly how we've gotten to this absurd Global Warming Boogeyman hysteria.

And the corollary to that is never trust anyone who depends on corporate funding for their studies.

Fair enough. Money often skews one's judgement. Margarine didn't kill everyone after all. Go figure?

Yet heart disease is the number one killer in this country. You are an extremist of the worst kind. The FDA is going to remove a poison from food that you can't taste, and won't miss, but your ideology is more important than the lives of your fellow countrymen and women. You are mentally ill and need help.

You sound pretty extreme yourself. You're gonna die of something. Big Brother can't change that. So stop being an Authoritarian. Once you do stop, you'll feel liberated.

Ironic to cry the blues about "Authoritarianism", when you can't get your knee pads on fast enough any time a corporation says boo, doncha think, fascist sycophant?

One day Americans will beg Big Brother for just a little food, water, and electricity. They'll thank him and praise him for the tiny scraps he'll throw to them. That is where we're heading. Bet on that. But hey, we gotta get those Global Warming and Big Gulp Boogeymen. We just gotta!

 

[Iceweasel]

Well, unlike some federally banned substances, trans-fats actually kill people.

So does alcohol and tobacco. Maybe you need constant supervision? The foods that contain transfats aren't of the healthy variety in the first place. You need obama to provide healthier Ding Dongs for you?
Retard.

Alcohol and tobacco aren't surreptitiously spiked into the food supply, are they?

Retard.

Surreptitiously? Spiked? Retard. Not only a retard but a victimized one at that. Many food choices are worse but people vote with their wallets. If they were eating healthy foods transfat wouldn't even be an issue, would it, retard?

 

[Camp]

And the corollary to that is never trust anyone who depends on corporate funding for their studies.

Fair enough. Money often skews one's judgement. Margarine didn't kill everyone after all. Go figure?

Yet heart disease is the number one killer in this country. You are an extremist of the worst kind. The FDA is going to remove a poison from food that you can't taste, and won't miss, but your ideology is more important than the lives of your fellow countrymen and women. You are mentally ill and need help.

You sound pretty extreme yourself. You're gonna die of something. Big Brother can't change that. So stop being an Authoritarian. Once you do stop, you'll feel liberated.

Ironic to cry the blues about "Authoritarianism", when you can't get your knee pads on fast enough any time a corporation says boo, doncha think, fascist sycophant?

One day Americans will beg Big Brother for just a little food, water, and electricity. They'll thank him and praise him for the tiny scraps he'll throw to them. That is where we're heading. Bet on that.

You could be right, but that is no reason why we should allow people to feed poison to the population in the mean time. Government's job at minimum is to protect the citizens from harm, both external and internal.

 

[Iceweasel]

... that is no reason why we should allow people to feed poison to the population in the mean time. Government's job at minimum is to protect the citizens from harm, both external and internal.

Poison? Oh, you mean making your Biggie Fries a little less healthy?
LOL

 

[Pogo]

Well, unlike some federally banned substances, trans-fats actually kill people.

So does alcohol and tobacco. Maybe you need constant supervision? The foods that contain transfats aren't of the healthy variety in the first place. You need obama to provide healthier Ding Dongs for you?
Retard.

Alcohol and tobacco aren't surreptitiously spiked into the food supply, are they?

Retard.

Surreptitiously? Spiked? Retard. Not only a retard but a victimized one at that. Many food choices are worse but people vote with their wallets. If they were eating healthy foods transfat wouldn't even be an issue, would it, retard?

It's the height of pigheaded arrogance to decide that because Numero Uno theoretically can select a food product after extensive research, that everyone else has done the same research. Of course we conveniently forget that there's already a threshold below which transfats don't even have to be listed.

Retard.

But the offer is still open -- what exactly would you be missing? Ah, there's the rub. No one can answer that. This attempted Randbot argument is the equivalent of the little kid who wants a Tonka Truck just because Jimmy has one.

 

[Pogo]

Fair enough. Money often skews one's judgement. Margarine didn't kill everyone after all. Go figure?

Yet heart disease is the number one killer in this country. You are an extremist of the worst kind. The FDA is going to remove a poison from food that you can't taste, and won't miss, but your ideology is more important than the lives of your fellow countrymen and women. You are mentally ill and need help.

You sound pretty extreme yourself. You're gonna die of something. Big Brother can't change that. So stop being an Authoritarian. Once you do stop, you'll feel liberated.

Ironic to cry the blues about "Authoritarianism", when you can't get your knee pads on fast enough any time a corporation says boo, doncha think, fascist sycophant?

One day Americans will beg Big Brother for just a little food, water, and electricity. They'll thank him and praise him for the tiny scraps he'll throw to them. That is where we're heading. Bet on that.

You could be right, but that is no reason why we should allow people to feed poison to the population in the mean time. Government's job at minimum is to protect the citizens from harm, both external and internal.

And certainly to protect the public food and water supply from shysters who would put profit over people's lives. That's in NO way anything new. It's why we're not dying from dysentery right now.

 

[paulitician]

Fair enough. Money often skews one's judgement. Margarine didn't kill everyone after all. Go figure?

Yet heart disease is the number one killer in this country. You are an extremist of the worst kind. The FDA is going to remove a poison from food that you can't taste, and won't miss, but your ideology is more important than the lives of your fellow countrymen and women. You are mentally ill and need help.

You sound pretty extreme yourself. You're gonna die of something. Big Brother can't change that. So stop being an Authoritarian. Once you do stop, you'll feel liberated.

Ironic to cry the blues about "Authoritarianism", when you can't get your knee pads on fast enough any time a corporation says boo, doncha think, fascist sycophant?

One day Americans will beg Big Brother for just a little food, water, and electricity. They'll thank him and praise him for the tiny scraps he'll throw to them. That is where we're heading. Bet on that.

You could be right, but that is no reason why we should allow people to feed poison to the population in the mean time. Government's job at minimum is to protect the citizens from harm, both external and internal.

Don't put too much faith in Big Brother. Don't hand him too much control. He's not about your best interests. He's about his own.

 

[Camp]

... that is no reason why we should allow people to feed poison to the population in the mean time. Government's job at minimum is to protect the citizens from harm, both external and internal.

Poison? Oh, you mean making your Biggie Fries a little less healthy?
LOL

Taken in enough quantity over time it will without debate cause a deathly illness. It has no known nutritional value. But the case should not be about whether it can be allowed in food. The case should have been whether producers can add it in trace amounts without listing those trace amounts on the label. I have no problem with a person wanting to ingest trans fat and having the freedom to do so. I have a problem with people not wanting to ingest it and being tricked into ingesting it in quantities that have been proven to be harmful. Trans fat has a cumulative affect. A person should be able to judge for themselves how much is safe and at what point it will act as a poison. When you buy a loaf of bread you should be able to know if every slice you eat has trans fat, or no trans fat. You should be permitted to decide for yourself when you might ingest moderate or limited amounts of trans fat. I just don't see why a food producer needs to be allowed to hide what they put into their product.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Fair enough. Money often skews one's judgement. Margarine didn't kill everyone after all. Go figure?

Yet heart disease is the number one killer in this country. You are an extremist of the worst kind. The FDA is going to remove a poison from food that you can't taste, and won't miss, but your ideology is more important than the lives of your fellow countrymen and women. You are mentally ill and need help.

You sound pretty extreme yourself. You're gonna die of something. Big Brother can't change that. So stop being an Authoritarian. Once you do stop, you'll feel liberated.

Ironic to cry the blues about "Authoritarianism", when you can't get your knee pads on fast enough any time a corporation says boo, doncha think, fascist sycophant?

One day Americans will beg Big Brother for just a little food, water, and electricity. They'll thank him and praise him for the tiny scraps he'll throw to them. That is where we're heading. Bet on that.

You could be right, but that is no reason why we should allow people to feed poison to the population in the mean time. Government's job at minimum is to protect the citizens from harm, both external and internal.

Along with freedom comes choices and personal responsibility. Trans fats are not poisons... unless you're ingesting a shitload of them daily.

 

[Pogo]

... that is no reason why we should allow people to feed poison to the population in the mean time. Government's job at minimum is to protect the citizens from harm, both external and internal.

Poison? Oh, you mean making your Biggie Fries a little less healthy?
LOL

Taken in enough quantity over time it will without debate cause a deathly illness. It has no known nutritional value. But the case should not be about whether it can be allowed in food. The case should have been whether producers can add it in trace amounts without listing those trace amounts on the label. I have no problem with a person wanting to ingest trans fat and having the freedom to do so. I have a problem with people not wanting to ingest it and being tricked into ingesting it in quantities that have been proven to be harmful. Trans fat has a cumulative affect. A person should be able to judge for themselves how much is safe and at what point it will act as a poison. When you buy a loaf of bread you should be able to know if every slice you eat has trans fat, or no trans fat. You should be permitted to decide for yourself when you might ingest moderate or limited amounts of trans fat. I just don't see why a food producer needs to be allowed to hide what they put into their product.

And the issue here is simply taking them off the GRAS (Generally Recognized as Safe) list, indicating they're not recognized as safe. Oh the horror, that anybody should dare to question the mighty Corporation and suggest they might not be working in the consumer's best interest. Oh the shame. Zey must be silenced!

Easy to see who the Authoritarians are.
Corporate sycophants... SMH

 

[Camp]

Yet heart disease is the number one killer in this country. You are an extremist of the worst kind. The FDA is going to remove a poison from food that you can't taste, and won't miss, but your ideology is more important than the lives of your fellow countrymen and women. You are mentally ill and need help.

You sound pretty extreme yourself. You're gonna die of something. Big Brother can't change that. So stop being an Authoritarian. Once you do stop, you'll feel liberated.

Ironic to cry the blues about "Authoritarianism", when you can't get your knee pads on fast enough any time a corporation says boo, doncha think, fascist sycophant?

One day Americans will beg Big Brother for just a little food, water, and electricity. They'll thank him and praise him for the tiny scraps he'll throw to them. That is where we're heading. Bet on that.

You could be right, but that is no reason why we should allow people to feed poison to the population in the mean time. Government's job at minimum is to protect the citizens from harm, both external and internal.

Along with freedom comes choices and personal responsibility. Trans fats are not poisons... unless you're ingesting a shitload of them daily.

You are admitting that trans fat has at least a potential to be a poison. Unfortunately, millions of people ingested large amounts of trans fats in the past and it killed them after causing heart disease and strokes. As you know, the affect is cumulative. It may take many years for the poisonous effect to cause death, but the length of time a poison takes to cause harm is not an issue as to whether it is a poison or not. I agree that along with freedom comes choices, but not informing the consumer of an ingredient in a product does not offer freedom. Freedom would only be present if the producer informs the consumer of what is in the product.

 

[FA_Q2]

... that is no reason why we should allow people to feed poison to the population in the mean time. Government's job at minimum is to protect the citizens from harm, both external and internal.

Poison? Oh, you mean making your Biggie Fries a little less healthy?
LOL

Taken in enough quantity over time it will without debate cause a deathly illness. It has no known nutritional value. But the case should not be about whether it can be allowed in food. The case should have been whether producers can add it in trace amounts without listing those trace amounts on the label. I have no problem with a person wanting to ingest trans fat and having the freedom to do so. I have a problem with people not wanting to ingest it and being tricked into ingesting it in quantities that have been proven to be harmful. Trans fat has a cumulative affect. A person should be able to judge for themselves how much is safe and at what point it will act as a poison. When you buy a loaf of bread you should be able to know if every slice you eat has trans fat, or no trans fat. You should be permitted to decide for yourself when you might ingest moderate or limited amounts of trans fat. I just don't see why a food producer needs to be allowed to hide what they put into their product.

Then why support an outright ban over proper labeling?

 

[paulitician]

You sound pretty extreme yourself. You're gonna die of something. Big Brother can't change that. So stop being an Authoritarian. Once you do stop, you'll feel liberated.

Ironic to cry the blues about "Authoritarianism", when you can't get your knee pads on fast enough any time a corporation says boo, doncha think, fascist sycophant?

One day Americans will beg Big Brother for just a little food, water, and electricity. They'll thank him and praise him for the tiny scraps he'll throw to them. That is where we're heading. Bet on that.

You could be right, but that is no reason why we should allow people to feed poison to the population in the mean time. Government's job at minimum is to protect the citizens from harm, both external and internal.

Along with freedom comes choices and personal responsibility. Trans fats are not poisons... unless you're ingesting a shitload of them daily.

You are admitting that trans fat has at least a potential to be a poison. Unfortunately, millions of people ingested large amounts of trans fats in the past and it killed them after causing heart disease and strokes. As you know, the affect is cumulative. It may take many years for the poisonous effect to cause death, but the length of time a poison takes to cause harm is not an issue as to whether it is a poison or not. I agree that along with freedom comes choices, but not informing the consumer of an ingredient in a product does not offer freedom. Freedom would only be present if the producer informs the consumer of what is in the product.

The loose use of the word 'Poison' is a firm indication that fear mongering tactics are being used to force an agenda on others. Fear = Control. Remember that next time you start feeling pressured by fear mongering tactics. Try to catch yourself and think it through.

 

[FA_Q2]

Just a precursor to Big Brother food, water, and electricity rationing. It's all about the control. But hey i know, that's all just paranoid 'Tinfoil Hat' nonsense.

See, deep down you know it's paranoid nonsense.

I'm confident it will be a reality at some point. Controlling what people eat, drink, and how much electricity they consume, is the ultimate control. One day the People will have to beg Big Brother to give em a little food and electricity. Big Brother will have everyone on lock-down if we continue on this path. Bet on that.

When does an issue of the health or safety of the country out weight an individual freedom? On one end of the spectrum, the answer is never. On the other end of the spectrum it's always. I say it really depends on the issue. The argument that one should be fee to choose trans fats seems a bit weak because it's almost impossible to tell how much trans fats there are in a meal.

My concern is what will the food processing industry come up with to replace trans fats. In the mid twenty century, replacement of animal fats with vegetable oils in cooking was praised as a step forward because it reduced saturated fats. By the end of century, we learned that trans fats due to hydrogenation of vegetable oils was worst than the saturated fats.

No, your arguments ignore the fact that you can EASILY make policy to tell exactly how much trans fats are in your meal without any banning at all. The arguments against banning only seem weak to you because you ignore the actual solution that serves BOTH ends - those that believe we should have the freedom to live as we choose and those that want government oversight in our diets.

Only if you include all meals including restaurants since 43% of all food comes from outside the home. However, it would be easier and cheaper just to ban the stuff. I doubt many Americans would miss it. After all, most of them think there food is free from trans fats now.

Whether consumers should have a choice of buying an unsafe product should depend how unsafe it is, whether there is sufficient data to make an informed choice, and lastly whether the customer is able to understand the dangers. At this point in time, I don't think people have enough data to make an informed choice and also lack the knowledge to evaluate the choice.

No problem there.

Such already exists in various capacities. It is quite easy for a restaurant to include an * by a menu item and list the item as including signifigant amounts of X. They do that now with mercury and raw food. Nothing wrong with information.

Easier and cheaper to ban the stuff is asinine. IT would be easier and cheaper to ban all kinds of things than allow Americans freedom but we generally do not do such because it goes against the core of what America is. It is a lot easier to operate in a dictatorship as well be no one here wants that. I don’t care whether or not anyone is going to miss it – it is not your choice or the government’s choice to make. Should it fade away to nothing because customers no longer buy it THEN it has gone away properly – by choice of the people – rather than by government edict. There is a MASSIVE difference.


I don’t care if it goes away on its own either because of the expense but I doubt such to be the case. It will hang around and people will buy it in MUCH smaller capacities as has been the case with tons of other harmful products.

 

[Camp]

... that is no reason why we should allow people to feed poison to the population in the mean time. Government's job at minimum is to protect the citizens from harm, both external and internal.

Poison? Oh, you mean making your Biggie Fries a little less healthy?
LOL

Taken in enough quantity over time it will without debate cause a deathly illness. It has no known nutritional value. But the case should not be about whether it can be allowed in food. The case should have been whether producers can add it in trace amounts without listing those trace amounts on the label. I have no problem with a person wanting to ingest trans fat and having the freedom to do so. I have a problem with people not wanting to ingest it and being tricked into ingesting it in quantities that have been proven to be harmful. Trans fat has a cumulative affect. A person should be able to judge for themselves how much is safe and at what point it will act as a poison. When you buy a loaf of bread you should be able to know if every slice you eat has trans fat, or no trans fat. You should be permitted to decide for yourself when you might ingest moderate or limited amounts of trans fat. I just don't see why a food producer needs to be allowed to hide what they put into their product.

Then why support an outright ban over proper labeling?

What are you talking about? I am in favor of accurate labeling. The law to now has allowed trace amounts of trans fats to be in food without appearing as such on the label. That is what the industry demanded.

 

[FA_Q2]

Yes you do since you are quoting me and what you stated has NOTHING to do with anything I have said thus far.
Perhaps you should stick with Dean – you do not seem to understand anything above that bar.
Bullshit.
The left likes to use the SAME argument that the right does all the time – it is not good for you and we know what is best. You can take that bullshit and get lost with it. The government does not need to be the purveyor of what I do. It is asinine.

I put out a query to show what the positive effects of transfats are -- why anyone would actively seek them-- quite a ways back. No one seems to want to touch that question.

Wonder why.

Because it is an idiotic question and you have already been told why. Why is irrelevant to anything - it is a matter of weather or not the government should be making the decision for you or not. Clear warning labels and clear content labels solve the problem of 'hiding' those evil fats. The rest is up to the consumer who can kill themselves off with excessive alcohol, cigarettes, dip, whip its or eating Styrofoam for all I care. It is their lives, not yours or mine.

who is making them put those labels on?....the govt or they themselves?....because it has already been stated a few times that the govt should not be saying anything to anyone about this,its not their place to make that decision for them.....

Where has that been stated. One link?

I will directly state that I do not believe that at all and have stated over and over again that there should be label and warning requirements.

put there by the govt right?....there have been a few posters in this thread who are saying the govt should not interfere....

Well not put there by the government but mandated to be placed there and actually placed there at the companies expense. I think that is what you were getting at though so yes. I don’t have an issue with government mandating customers being informed – that is a valid exercise of government.

I have not seen anyone reject the idea that labels should be complete in this thread. Most of the ‘government should not interfere’ here have been directly referring to banning the substance.

 

[FA_Q2]

... that is no reason why we should allow people to feed poison to the population in the mean time. Government's job at minimum is to protect the citizens from harm, both external and internal.

Poison? Oh, you mean making your Biggie Fries a little less healthy?
LOL

Taken in enough quantity over time it will without debate cause a deathly illness. It has no known nutritional value. But the case should not be about whether it can be allowed in food. The case should have been whether producers can add it in trace amounts without listing those trace amounts on the label. I have no problem with a person wanting to ingest trans fat and having the freedom to do so. I have a problem with people not wanting to ingest it and being tricked into ingesting it in quantities that have been proven to be harmful. Trans fat has a cumulative affect. A person should be able to judge for themselves how much is safe and at what point it will act as a poison. When you buy a loaf of bread you should be able to know if every slice you eat has trans fat, or no trans fat. You should be permitted to decide for yourself when you might ingest moderate or limited amounts of trans fat. I just don't see why a food producer needs to be allowed to hide what they put into their product.

Then why support an outright ban over proper labeling?

What are you talking about? I am in favor of accurate labeling. The law to now has allowed trace amounts of trans fats to be in food without appearing as such on the label. That is what the industry demanded.

But the move is to ban trans fats - NOT to correct labeling.

 

[Kosh]

You sound pretty extreme yourself. You're gonna die of something. Big Brother can't change that. So stop being an Authoritarian. Once you do stop, you'll feel liberated.

Ironic to cry the blues about "Authoritarianism", when you can't get your knee pads on fast enough any time a corporation says boo, doncha think, fascist sycophant?

One day Americans will beg Big Brother for just a little food, water, and electricity. They'll thank him and praise him for the tiny scraps he'll throw to them. That is where we're heading. Bet on that.

You could be right, but that is no reason why we should allow people to feed poison to the population in the mean time. Government's job at minimum is to protect the citizens from harm, both external and internal.

Along with freedom comes choices and personal responsibility. Trans fats are not poisons... unless you're ingesting a shitload of them daily.

You are admitting that trans fat has at least a potential to be a poison. Unfortunately, millions of people ingested large amounts of trans fats in the past and it killed them after causing heart disease and strokes. As you know, the affect is cumulative. It may take many years for the poisonous effect to cause death, but the length of time a poison takes to cause harm is not an issue as to whether it is a poison or not. I agree that along with freedom comes choices, but not informing the consumer of an ingredient in a product does not offer freedom. Freedom would only be present if the producer informs the consumer of what is in the product.

WOW! Another far left drone running a narrative, go figure.

Well many things are poison, some are so allergic to peanut oil that is a poison to them so that means we should ban peanut oil.

Like I posted earlier based on the far left logic being displayed, might as well ban cars as well. As a matter of fact might as well ban breathing..

 

[Kosh]

... that is no reason why we should allow people to feed poison to the population in the mean time. Government's job at minimum is to protect the citizens from harm, both external and internal.

Poison? Oh, you mean making your Biggie Fries a little less healthy?
LOL

Taken in enough quantity over time it will without debate cause a deathly illness. It has no known nutritional value. But the case should not be about whether it can be allowed in food. The case should have been whether producers can add it in trace amounts without listing those trace amounts on the label. I have no problem with a person wanting to ingest trans fat and having the freedom to do so. I have a problem with people not wanting to ingest it and being tricked into ingesting it in quantities that have been proven to be harmful. Trans fat has a cumulative affect. A person should be able to judge for themselves how much is safe and at what point it will act as a poison. When you buy a loaf of bread you should be able to know if every slice you eat has trans fat, or no trans fat. You should be permitted to decide for yourself when you might ingest moderate or limited amounts of trans fat. I just don't see why a food producer needs to be allowed to hide what they put into their product.

Then why support an outright ban over proper labeling?

What are you talking about? I am in favor of accurate labeling. The law to now has allowed trace amounts of trans fats to be in food without appearing as such on the label. That is what the industry demanded.

This why the far left wants to ban trans fat:

Are there naturally occurring trans fats?

Small amounts of trans fats occur naturally in some meat and dairy products, including beef, lamb and butterfat. There have not been sufficient studies to determine whether these naturally occurring trans fats have the same bad effects on cholesterol levels as trans fats that have been industrially manufactured.

Trans Fats

 

[paulitician]

If they're using terms like 'Poison', you know they're fear mongering. And fear mongering is a weapon always used by those trying to force their agendas on others. If you can scare people enough, they'll likely go along with just about anything. Kinda like how the Global Warming Boogeyman gon get us all. That fear mongering bullshite is just paving the way for a massive World Government power-grab.

How long before Big Brother tells you when and for how long you'll be allowed to use your electricity each day? Don't laugh or think that's impossible. Government rationing of things like electricity isn't nearly as far-fetched as many like to think. It could be coming in the very near future.