Foodstamps Are Good

[mudwhistle]

So, you are promoting the law of the jungle. THAT is not a civil society. Take a course in civics.

Food stamps and unemployment will do little to create 'new' jobs, but the money that goes to families will go directly back into the economy, keep many homes from going into foreclosure and keep people from living in 2010 Hoovervilles.

What right wing conservatives ALWAYS ignore is the human cost and capital. Their morally bankrupt punishments require some group of human beings to evaporate.

During the Great Depression conservatives raised the same objections to F.D.R.’s programs. They said the economy must be left alone and it would correct itself in the long run. Commerce Secretary Harry Hopkins shot back: “People don’t eat in the long run. They eat every day.”

"Republicans care more about property, Democrats care more about people"
Ted Sorensen - President Kennedy's Special Counsel & Adviser, and primary speechwriter

Democrats care about votes. Nothing more.

oh yes those evil democrats, when republicans try to get elected they don't care about votes, and when in power they reduce SNAP to zero.!? How laughable that your myopic tendencies blinds you from the truth of all, not just a select few.

SNAP???

Is that something we're all supposed to know about?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Food stamps serve to narrow the gap between rich and poor.

Since conservatives oppose any government action that narrows that gap, since conservative domestic policy only supports maintaining or widening the gap between rich and poor - a gap which they feel has been maliciously narrowed by liberal socialist policies -

of course they oppose the food stamp program.

 

[mudwhistle]

People laugh at what they dont understand.

Is there isn't a time you guys aren't kicking puppies and throwing widows out on the street while saying this is a good thing that we liberals will never understand?

I think you're lying.

Provide links to any instance where a Repug kicked a puppie or threw widows out in the street.

 

[Moonglow]

Democrats care about votes. Nothing more.

oh yes those evil democrats, when republicans try to get elected they don't care about votes, and when in power they reduce SNAP to zero.!? How laughable that your myopic tendencies blinds you from the truth of all, not just a select few.

SNAP???

Is that something we're all supposed to know about?

FNS Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP)
that is what Food Stamps arenow called, and u use and EBT card.
If you are going to bytch and complain, you should at least be knowledgable about the program you are disgruntled about. Instead you show ignornce to what you are talking about.
Just cut and paste and old story and start ripping on democrats and liberals.

 

[Bfgrn]

Caring about people is challenging them to be better than they are. You call this the law of the jungle, I call it making people better. It seems, though, that your party is intent on making as many people dependent on government as possible.

Thank you for verifying what the CORE of conservatism is. I couldn't do a better job of explaining why conservatism is toxic to any civil society.

The CORE of conservatism rejects the belief that a human being benefits from assistance. Conservatism is based on the strict father model of raising children. Liberalism is based on the nurturing parent model. The differences couldn't be GREATER in the area of how to help the poor and needy.

Conservatives believe in individual responsibility alone, not social responsibility. They don't think government should help its citizens. That is, they don't think citizens should help each other. The part of government they want to cut is not the military (we have 174 bases around the world), not government subsidies to corporations, not the aspect of government that fits their worldview. They want to cut the part that helps people. Why? Because that violates individual responsibility.

But where does that view of individual responsibility alone come from?

The way to understand the conservative moral system is to consider a strict father family. The father is The Decider, the ultimate moral authority in the family. His authority must not be challenged. His job is to protect the family, to support the family (by winning competitions in the marketplace), and to teach his kids right from wrong by disciplining them physically when they do wrong. The use of force is necessary and required. Only then will children develop the internal discipline to become moral beings. And only with such discipline will they be able to prosper. And what of people who are not prosperous? They don't have discipline, and without discipline they cannot be moral, so they deserve their poverty. The good people are hence the prosperous people. Helping others takes away their discipline, and hence makes them both unable to prosper on their own and function morally. ref.

Liberalism is trust of the people, tempered by prudence; conservatism, distrust of people, tempered by fear.
William E. Gladstone

 

[Moonglow]

People laugh at what they dont understand.

Is there isn't a time you guys aren't kicking puppies and throwing widows out on the street while saying this is a good thing that we liberals will never understand?

I think you're lying.

Provide links to any instance where a Repug kicked a puppie or threw widows out in the street.

It's a metaphor. Are you really old or just not to hip to the trip?

 

[Moonglow]

Food stamps (and today it's a credit card) destroy the free market mechanism that would actually help people. It is nothing more than a gov't subsidy. I thought Dems were opposed to BIG SCARY CORPORATIONS that RAPED poor individuals? Because the money that is given must be spent on products that corporations make. Most of the time that money is spent on prepared foods that are really unhealthful. This is partly why obesity is a greater problem among the poor than starvation.

Oh yeah, people never starved or were malnurished by capitalism before social reform. HA!

 

[mudwhistle]

So, you are promoting the law of the jungle. THAT is not a civil society. Take a course in civics.

Food stamps and unemployment will do little to create 'new' jobs, but the money that goes to families will go directly back into the economy, keep many homes from going into foreclosure and keep people from living in 2010 Hoovervilles.

What right wing conservatives ALWAYS ignore is the human cost and capital. Their morally bankrupt punishments require some group of human beings to evaporate.

During the Great Depression conservatives raised the same objections to F.D.R.’s programs. They said the economy must be left alone and it would correct itself in the long run. Commerce Secretary Harry Hopkins shot back: “People don’t eat in the long run. They eat every day.”

"Republicans care more about property, Democrats care more about people"
Ted Sorensen - President Kennedy's Special Counsel & Adviser, and primary speechwriter

the problem with food stamps and welfare in general is that it becomes a way of life, not a helping hand in the short run.

When I was in the service, we had this one Sergeant who had a huge wad of food stamps he used as currency. Now, since he had a job, this struck me as odd. He explained that he took money, and paid half face value for the stamps, while the people who had them would go off and buy drugs with the money. (This Sergeant later developed a substance abuse problem and was discharged.)

The problem with entitlement programs is that we don't treat them as what they are- charity. We are helping you out now, but you are expected to try to improve your lot. We don't do that. We have a mentality that you are OWED food stamps. You are OWED welfare. You are OWED social security, even if you didn't pay all that much into it.

"He suffers from the socialist disease in its worst form- the belief the world owes you a living" - Robert A. Heinlein.


Caring about people is challenging them to be better than they are. You call this the law of the jungle, I call it making people better. It seems, though, that your party is intent on making as many people dependent on government as possible.

Now THAT is a playbook response. It is bullshit and filled with ignorance.

You ARE owed Social Security, you pay into it all your working life. It is not charity, it is EARNED.

Not when you're collecting disability. Then it becomes more of a helping hand then an entitlement.

 

[editec]

Do you have an alternative proposal to deal with 45,000,000 Americans who cannot afford to feed themselves and their families?

I know, how about we give billionaires still more tax breaks?

Think that will help?

What's your plan?

Ask the Governors of Wisconsin, Oklahoma, and Texas.

They have low unemployment. They seem to have answers for this.

You've heard them before...but of course you don't believe them.

The solution is stop being anti-business and you create jobs.

Creating an environment in your state that is conducive to job creation in the private-sector is the key.

It's pretty simple really.

You didn't answer the question.

Right now there are about 40M people counting on SNAP.

Even assuming that every state immediately begam operating in the business friendly ways you propose, those same 40 million folks are going to need to eat today and tomorrow.

What do you propose instead of the SNAP program?

 

[mudwhistle]

Is there isn't a time you guys aren't kicking puppies and throwing widows out on the street while saying this is a good thing that we liberals will never understand?

I think you're lying.

Provide links to any instance where a Repug kicked a puppie or threw widows out in the street.

It's a metaphor. Are you really old or just not to hip to the trip?

Sallow uses this tactic all of the time.

Asking for links to the most ridiculous things.

I'm merely using his own game-plan on him.

If you were to say the sky is blue he would ask for links that proves it.

 

[editec]

Democrats care about votes. Nothing more.

oh yes those evil democrats, when republicans try to get elected they don't care about votes, and when in power they reduce SNAP to zero.!? How laughable that your myopic tendencies blinds you from the truth of all, not just a select few.

SNAP???

Is that something we're all supposed to know about?

That is the current name for the program some still call "Food Stamps"

FNS Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP)

 

[mudwhistle]

oh yes those evil democrats, when republicans try to get elected they don't care about votes, and when in power they reduce SNAP to zero.!? How laughable that your myopic tendencies blinds you from the truth of all, not just a select few.

SNAP???

Is that something we're all supposed to know about?

That is the current name for the program some still call "Food Stamps"

FNS Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP)

Thanks.

My first question would be what evidence he has that the GOP is cutting the program.

Isn't that a state run program?

 

[Seawytch]

Nobody has provided any FACTS to counter those from the CBO and Moody's...

Food stamps offer best stimulus - study

 

[ogibillm]

Nobody has provided any FACTS to counter those from the CBO and Moody's...

Food stamps offer best stimulus - study

this should be the only thing that matters.

no, we don't want people on food stamps. it's better if they're working and able to take care of themselves. nobody has claimed otherwise.

but if they can't, if they need the assistance, i don't think it's wrong to recognize that the assistance given to them does indeed stimulate the economy.

i know sean and rush and beck haven't given you guys the answer to why this doesn't hold true - but i'm sure they'll come up with something for you guys to parrot eventually.

 

[mudwhistle]

In my opinion when someone like Sallow makes a statement such as the GOP wants to kick puppies, push widows into the streets, hold people hostage, or get rid of food stamps completely, such hyperbole cannot go unchallenged.

 

[The Rabbi]

Nobody has provided any FACTS to counter those from the CBO and Moody's...

Food stamps offer best stimulus - study

Dont read much, do you?
That article assumes a "multiplier effect" from gov't spending. That has been proven not to be the case. The multiplier of gov't spending is less than $1, meaning they lose money on every dollar spent. This is because that dollar must come from somewhere.

 

[Sallow]

Is there isn't a time you guys aren't kicking puppies and throwing widows out on the street while saying this is a good thing that we liberals will never understand?

I think you're lying.

Provide links to any instance where a Repug kicked a puppie or threw widows out in the street.

It's a metaphor. Are you really old or just not to hip to the trip?

What metaphor?

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Vera Coking is a retired homeowner in Atlantic City, New Jersey whose home was the focus of a prominent eminent domain case involving Donald Trump.

In 1993, when Donald Trump sought to expand his property holdings around his Atlantic City casino and hotel (to build a parking lot designed for limousines), he bought several lots adjacent to his property.[1] Coking, who had lived in her house at that time for about 35 years, refused to sell. This was not the first time Coking had been asked to sell her property for development. When Coking refused to sell to Trump, the city of Atlantic City condemned her house, using the power of eminent domain. Her designated compensation was to be $251,000,[2] about one quarter of what it had been valued ten years earlier.

The incident: dog excrement found on the roof and windows of the Romney station wagon. How it got there: Romney strapped a dog carrier — with the family dog Seamus, an Irish Setter, in it — to the roof of the family station wagon for a twelve hour drive from Boston to Ontario, which the family apparently completed, despite Seamus's rather visceral protest.



Read more: Romney's Cruel Canine Vacation - TIME

 

[Sallow]

In my opinion when someone like Sallow makes a statement such as the GOP wants to kick puppies, push widows into the streets, hold people hostage, or get rid of food stamps completely, such hyperbole cannot go unchallenged.

Check above ^^

You guys never provide shit..by the way..except for inane insults and vague connections.

 

[mudwhistle]

Nobody has provided any FACTS to counter those from the CBO and Moody's...

Food stamps offer best stimulus - study

this should be the only thing that matters.

no, we don't want people on food stamps. it's better if they're working and able to take care of themselves. nobody has claimed otherwise.

but if they can't, if they need the assistance, i don't think it's wrong to recognize that the assistance given to them does indeed stimulate the economy.

i know sean and rush and beck haven't given you guys the answer to why this doesn't hold true - but i'm sure they'll come up with something for you guys to parrot eventually.

Assistance is a moral issue. Claiming that food stamps stimulate the economy is ridiculous. It is a temperary measure at best and should not be rationalized as being a positive aspect of any economy. It is in fact a negative. It is a symptom of weakness in an economy. If people can't afford to buy food then ether the price is too high or people are in bad shape financially.

 

[mudwhistle]

In my opinion when someone like Sallow makes a statement such as the GOP wants to kick puppies, push widows into the streets, hold people hostage, or get rid of food stamps completely, such hyperbole cannot go unchallenged.

Check above ^^

You guys never provide shit..by the way..except for inane insults and vague connections.

And you don't??

Practice what you preach.