Foodstamps Are Good

[ogibillm]

Nobody has provided any FACTS to counter those from the CBO and Moody's...

Food stamps offer best stimulus - study

Dont read much, do you?
That article assumes a "multiplier effect" from gov't spending. That has been proven not to be the case. The multiplier of gov't spending is less than $1, meaning they lose money on every dollar spent. This is because that dollar must come from somewhere.

"proven to not be the case"

i'm sure you have something to back that up - the economists at Moody's have made the claim, do you have something with more credibility to dispute it?

 

[ogibillm]

Assistance is a moral issue. Claiming that food stamps stimulate the economy is ridiculous. It is a temperary measure at best and should not be rationalized as being a positive aspect of any economy. It is in fact a negative. It is a symptom of weakness in an economy. If people can't afford to buy food then ether the price is too high or people are in bad shape financially.

nobody has claimed that people on food stamps is a sign of a good economy. that's just stupid.

what has been claimed is that money going to the snap program is an economic stimulus.

Moody's claims that it is - and a link to that claim has been given.

do you have anyting other than your own opinion to support your opinion that food stamps do not stimulate the economy?

 

[Sallow]

In my opinion when someone like Sallow makes a statement such as the GOP wants to kick puppies, push widows into the streets, hold people hostage, or get rid of food stamps completely, such hyperbole cannot go unchallenged.

Check above ^^

You guys never provide shit..by the way..except for inane insults and vague connections.

And you don't??

Practice what you preach.

Check above.

2 links.

No insults. Unless it makes you mad that Trump kicks out widows or Romney engages in animal cruelty. Then that might be insulting.

To me..however..it's disgusting.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Why does the right wing like to kick around the least amongst us?

 

[High_Gravity]

So you want food stamps removed?

 

[Sallow]

Why does the right wing like to kick around the least amongst us?

It's not that. It's that they want a sure thing. The right wing never enters into a fair fight.

 

[mudwhistle]

I think you're lying.

Provide links to any instance where a Repug kicked a puppie or threw widows out in the street.

It's a metaphor. Are you really old or just not to hip to the trip?

What metaphor?

Vera Coking - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Vera Coking is a retired homeowner in Atlantic City, New Jersey whose home was the focus of a prominent eminent domain case involving Donald Trump.

In 1993, when Donald Trump sought to expand his property holdings around his Atlantic City casino and hotel (to build a parking lot designed for limousines), he bought several lots adjacent to his property.[1] Coking, who had lived in her house at that time for about 35 years, refused to sell. This was not the first time Coking had been asked to sell her property for development. When Coking refused to sell to Trump, the city of Atlantic City condemned her house, using the power of eminent domain. Her designated compensation was to be $251,000,[2] about one quarter of what it had been valued ten years earlier.

The incident: dog excrement found on the roof and windows of the Romney station wagon. How it got there: Romney strapped a dog carrier — with the family dog Seamus, an Irish Setter, in it — to the roof of the family station wagon for a twelve hour drive from Boston to Ontario, which the family apparently completed, despite Seamus's rather visceral protest.



Read more: Romney's Cruel Canine Vacation - TIME

Donald Trump is a Democrat in GOP clothing. In the past he was a registered Democrat. He is not a Republican.

Oh, what city or state was this and who passed the laws that made this possible.

And as to the Romney deal, no puppy was involved. Btw, am I to assume I will be brought up on animal cruelty charges if I open a window for my pet? Doesn't the animal have to be fastened in a pet carrier similar to the one Romney used?

 

[cootydog]

liberals. cant understand why they dont just move to a socialist country, oh yeah I remember, they like it here because of the money, the capitalism, without jobs the liberals wont have any tax money to pay for all the entitlement programs. face it the liberals are really conservatives with swollen vaginas. true lliberals would leave america for some place more to their liking

 

[mudwhistle]

Why does the right wing like to kick around the least amongst us?

It's not that. It's that they want a sure thing. The right wing never enters into a fair fight.

You have no room to talk.

Democrats love a rigged game.

Their ideas are shit so they win on deception.

Recall elections, busing voters from one polling place to another. Rousting handicapped voters out of hospital beds telling them who to vote for. Allowing college student to run polling places. Voting more than once. Allowing racist thugs to scare away white voters. Motor-voter laws. Same day registration. Fighting voter I. D. Laws at every turn.

 

[Jarhead]

I was just listened to an extremely idiotic argument about how food stamps are such a great asset to the economy.

This Democrat spokesman was talking about all of the wonders of food stamps. How they put food in the mouths of the poor and all of the usual liberal rhetoric. The spokesperson that was in opposition started in on him saying that because of the increase of people applying and qualifying for food stamps it is a major drag on the states. She was trying to sell her case that the increase of food stamps is more bad then good. More people employed and being able to afford food without food stamps is more desirable.

The Dem started saying "Oh, so you want to starve people?????"

I kid you not....that was his response!!

This is a microcosm of how a liberal or a progressive creates a wedge-issue. They propose policies that they and their opposition both know is unsustainable and know will cause a common-sense response and then they pull out the "you wanna starve the poor" accusation. The problem is, this has been working for Democrats for a long time. You'd think people would get wise to it. They used it on seniors when the GOP released their economic plan. "Those evil Republicans want to throw you and your wheel-chair over a cliff!!!"

You have to be a morally corrupt individual to make this kind of issue part of your campaign. Anyone who supports such a candidate or political party is in all respects living in denial. You have to live in a vacuum to think this way in the first place. Saying with a straight face that wide spread use of food stamps is a good thing is a radical rationalization similar to Nancy Pelosi proudly declaring that unemployment is helping the economy.

Lets put aside the loss of revenue to the states just for giving out food stamps to more and more people. Not only does the state have to reimburse stores for the lost sales, but also the state misses out on sales tax because no taxes are collected in the transactions. This shortfall has to be made up somewhere or the government will have to shrink or go broke.

Do Democrats realize this? Sure they do. But it fits into their class-warfare act. This all benefits the poor and everyone else suffers because of it.

Is this a good thing to them??? You be the judge.

Seems to me the Dems have policies on issues that are in direct conflict with each other. People are starving....feed them. People are fat....starve them. It's like the Global Warming/Ozone Depletion deal they've used to jack up the price of energy and cost billions to businesses and consumers in favor of their Green energy regulations in the EPA. Too much ozone or not enough. They've got us coming and going. On one hand they're saying we're too fat, on the other they're saying people are starving. It doesn't matter what the issue is. They want to spend more to deal with it forgetting the fact that they caused the problem in the first place. What it amounts to is they've turned the federal government into a perversion of it's original self. A bloated and abusive entity that is an Albatross to the taxpayers of the country.

I know this is a no-brainer.....but I see this repeated in several hot issues. In immigration reform, in Social Security reform, in health care reform, the list goes on and on. The left takes a populist position that they know is unsustainable and they roll with it. These days people are worried because they have been unemployed for a year or more so they tend to fall for the Democrat's argument. People have to be taken care of. Wouldn't it be better if they lived in a country where the government got out of the way so they could take care of themselves....if they so choose????

So, you are promoting the law of the jungle. THAT is not a civil society. Take a course in civics.

Food stamps and unemployment will do little to create 'new' jobs, but the money that goes to families will go directly back into the economy, keep many homes from going into foreclosure and keep people from living in 2010 Hoovervilles.

What right wing conservatives ALWAYS ignore is the human cost and capital. Their morally bankrupt punishments require some group of human beings to evaporate.

During the Great Depression conservatives raised the same objections to F.D.R.’s programs. They said the economy must be left alone and it would correct itself in the long run. Commerce Secretary Harry Hopkins shot back: “People don’t eat in the long run. They eat every day.”

"Republicans care more about property, Democrats care more about people"
Ted Sorensen - President Kennedy's Special Counsel & Adviser, and primary speechwriter

No one is arguing that entitlements (I hate that term, but I use it as a collective) are a good thing for the people that need them. Heck, I certainly will never say no to something that will help a person survive.

The real debate is about America and the direction it will go. DO we become a country that is sustained by the government or do we continue as a country that is sustained by opportunity.

Many of us believe that those that need will get from those that have. I will never walk away from someone who needs help and I believe most like me wont. Sure, there are the selfish....but I believe there are more of the selfless...and if government stepped aside, the people will be there to fill the void.

So please do not spin the conservative ideology...we want to help those that need...and we will......we dont want government to do it for us at the cost of our freedom to choose.

Now, dont get me wrong...I understand that the progressive ideology believes that those that have will not voluntariily help those that need. I respect that concern....but I simply dont agree with it...and I would be willing to debate it as long as I dont have the old "why do you hate poor people" thrown at me.

 

[Bfgrn]

In my opinion when someone like Sallow makes a statement such as the GOP wants to kick puppies, push widows into the streets, hold people hostage, or get rid of food stamps completely, such hyperbole cannot go unchallenged.

Then take it up with this guy:

"Republicans approve of the American farmer, but they are willing to help him go broke. They stand four-square for the American home--but not for housing. They are strong for labor--but they are stronger for restricting labor's rights. They favor minimum wage--the smaller the minimum wage the better. They endorse educational opportunity for all--but they won't spend money for teachers or for schools. They approve of social security benefits-so much so that they took them away from almost a million people. They think modern medical care and hospitals are fine--for people who can afford them. They believe in international trade--so much so that they crippled our reciprocal trade program, and killed our International Wheat Agreement. They favor the admission of displaced persons--but only within shameful racial and religious limitations.They consider electrical power a great blessing--but only when the private power companies get their rake-off. They say TVA is wonderful--but we ought never to try it again. They condemn "cruelly high prices"--but fight to the death every effort to bring them down. They think American standard of living is a fine thing--so long as it doesn't spread to all the people. And they admire of Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it."
President Harry S. Truman

Truman Library - Public Papers of the Presidents: Harry S. Truman


I never gave anybody hell. I just told the truth and they thought it was hell.
Harry S. Truman

 

[Sallow]

It's a metaphor. Are you really old or just not to hip to the trip?

What metaphor?

Vera Coking - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Vera Coking is a retired homeowner in Atlantic City, New Jersey whose home was the focus of a prominent eminent domain case involving Donald Trump.

In 1993, when Donald Trump sought to expand his property holdings around his Atlantic City casino and hotel (to build a parking lot designed for limousines), he bought several lots adjacent to his property.[1] Coking, who had lived in her house at that time for about 35 years, refused to sell. This was not the first time Coking had been asked to sell her property for development. When Coking refused to sell to Trump, the city of Atlantic City condemned her house, using the power of eminent domain. Her designated compensation was to be $251,000,[2] about one quarter of what it had been valued ten years earlier.

The incident: dog excrement found on the roof and windows of the Romney station wagon. How it got there: Romney strapped a dog carrier — with the family dog Seamus, an Irish Setter, in it — to the roof of the family station wagon for a twelve hour drive from Boston to Ontario, which the family apparently completed, despite Seamus's rather visceral protest.



Read more: Romney's Cruel Canine Vacation - TIME

Donald Trump is a Democrat in GOP clothing. In the past he was a registered Democrat. He is not a Republican.

Oh, what city or state was this and who passed the laws that made this possible.

And as to the Romney deal, no puppy was involved. Btw, am I to assume I will be brought up on animal cruelty charges if I open a window for my pet? Doesn't the animal have to be fastened in a pet carrier similar to the one Romney used?

Like I said..

Is there isn't a time you guys aren't kicking puppies and throwing widows out on the street while saying this is a good thing that we liberals will never understand?

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

I was just listened to an extremely idiotic argument about how food stamps are such a great asset to the economy.

This Democrat spokesman was talking about all of the wonders of food stamps. How they put food in the mouths of the poor and all of the usual liberal rhetoric. The spokesperson that was in opposition started in on him saying that because of the increase of people applying and qualifying for food stamps it is a major drag on the states. She was trying to sell her case that the increase of food stamps is more bad then good. More people employed and being able to afford food without food stamps is more desirable.

The Dem started saying "Oh, so you want to starve people?????"

I kid you not....that was his response!!

This is a microcosm of how a liberal or a progressive creates a wedge-issue. They propose policies that they and their opposition both know is unsustainable and know will cause a common-sense response and then they pull out the "you wanna starve the poor" accusation. The problem is, this has been working for Democrats for a long time. You'd think people would get wise to it. They used it on seniors when the GOP released their economic plan. "Those evil Republicans want to throw you and your wheel-chair over a cliff!!!"

You have to be a morally corrupt individual to make this kind of issue part of your campaign. Anyone who supports such a candidate or political party is in all respects living in denial. You have to live in a vacuum to think this way in the first place. Saying with a straight face that wide spread use of food stamps is a good thing is a radical rationalization similar to Nancy Pelosi proudly declaring that unemployment is helping the economy.

Lets put aside the loss of revenue to the states just for giving out food stamps to more and more people. Not only does the state have to reimburse stores for the lost sales, but also the state misses out on sales tax because no taxes are collected in the transactions. This shortfall has to be made up somewhere or the government will have to shrink or go broke.

Do Democrats realize this? Sure they do. But it fits into their class-warfare act. This all benefits the poor and everyone else suffers because of it.

Is this a good thing to them??? You be the judge.

Seems to me the Dems have policies on issues that are in direct conflict with each other. People are starving....feed them. People are fat....starve them. It's like the Global Warming/Ozone Depletion deal they've used to jack up the price of energy and cost billions to businesses and consumers in favor of their Green energy regulations in the EPA. Too much ozone or not enough. They've got us coming and going. On one hand they're saying we're too fat, on the other they're saying people are starving. It doesn't matter what the issue is. They want to spend more to deal with it forgetting the fact that they caused the problem in the first place. What it amounts to is they've turned the federal government into a perversion of it's original self. A bloated and abusive entity that is an Albatross to the taxpayers of the country.

I know this is a no-brainer.....but I see this repeated in several hot issues. In immigration reform, in Social Security reform, in health care reform, the list goes on and on. The left takes a populist position that they know is unsustainable and they roll with it. These days people are worried because they have been unemployed for a year or more so they tend to fall for the Democrat's argument. People have to be taken care of. Wouldn't it be better if they lived in a country where the government got out of the way so they could take care of themselves....if they so choose????

So, you are promoting the law of the jungle. THAT is not a civil society. Take a course in civics.

Food stamps and unemployment will do little to create 'new' jobs, but the money that goes to families will go directly back into the economy, keep many homes from going into foreclosure and keep people from living in 2010 Hoovervilles.

What right wing conservatives ALWAYS ignore is the human cost and capital. Their morally bankrupt punishments require some group of human beings to evaporate.

During the Great Depression conservatives raised the same objections to F.D.R.’s programs. They said the economy must be left alone and it would correct itself in the long run. Commerce Secretary Harry Hopkins shot back: “People don’t eat in the long run. They eat every day.”

"Republicans care more about property, Democrats care more about people"
Ted Sorensen - President Kennedy's Special Counsel & Adviser, and primary speechwriter

But if those people were working in jobs they would have even more money to put back into the economy plus some of their income would be going into the federal government instead of them taking money out of it

 

[Ringel05]

Foodstamps Are Good

I never tried food stamps. Do they come in flavors? Are the vitamin fortified? Lowfat, high fiber?

 

[Sallow]

Why does the right wing like to kick around the least amongst us?

It's not that. It's that they want a sure thing. The right wing never enters into a fair fight.

You have no room to talk.

Democrats love a rigged game.

Their ideas are shit so they win on deception.

Recall elections, busing voters from one polling place to another. Rousting handicapped voters out of hospital beds telling them who to vote for. Allowing college student to run polling places. Voting more than once. Allowing racist thugs to scare away white voters. Motor-voter laws. Same day registration. Fighting voter I. D. Laws at every turn.

That's rich.

We have 41% of the people that can vote..voting and all you do is bray on about voter fraud.

That's the lowest in the industrialized world.

We should be doing what Australia does in this regard. And make it mandatory for everyone eligible to vote..to do so.

Like Jury Duty.

 

[Full-Auto]

It's not that. It's that they want a sure thing. The right wing never enters into a fair fight.

You have no room to talk.

Democrats love a rigged game.

Their ideas are shit so they win on deception.

Recall elections, busing voters from one polling place to another. Rousting handicapped voters out of hospital beds telling them who to vote for. Allowing college student to run polling places. Voting more than once. Allowing racist thugs to scare away white voters. Motor-voter laws. Same day registration. Fighting voter I. D. Laws at every turn.

That's rich.

We have 41% of the people that can vote..voting and all you do is bray on about voter fraud.

That's the lowest in the industrialized world.

We should be doing what Australia does in this regard. And make it mandatory for everyone eligible to vote..to do so.

Like Jury Duty.

Well we see you support freedom, at gun point.

Hussein got 100% of the vote.

 

[Sallow]

liberals. cant understand why they dont just move to a socialist country, oh yeah I remember, they like it here because of the money, the capitalism, without jobs the liberals wont have any tax money to pay for all the entitlement programs. face it the liberals are really conservatives with swollen vaginas. true lliberals would leave america for some place more to their liking

America is a Liberal nation. The Constitution is a Liberal document. Conservatives never wanted to become independent.

 

[mudwhistle]

In my opinion when someone like Sallow makes a statement such as the GOP wants to kick puppies, push widows into the streets, hold people hostage, or get rid of food stamps completely, such hyperbole cannot go unchallenged.

Then take it up with this guy:

"Republicans approve of the American farmer, but they are willing to help him go broke. They stand four-square for the American home--but not for housing. They are strong for labor--but they are stronger for restricting labor's rights. They favor minimum wage--the smaller the minimum wage the better. They endorse educational opportunity for all--but they won't spend money for teachers or for schools. They approve of social security benefits-so much so that they took them away from almost a million people. They think modern medical care and hospitals are fine--for people who can afford them. They believe in international trade--so much so that they crippled our reciprocal trade program, and killed our International Wheat Agreement. They favor the admission of displaced persons--but only within shameful racial and religious limitations.They consider electrical power a great blessing--but only when the private power companies get their rake-off. They say TVA is wonderful--but we ought never to try it again. They condemn "cruelly high prices"--but fight to the death every effort to bring them down. They think American standard of living is a fine thing--so long as it doesn't spread to all the people. And they admire of Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it."
President Harry S. Truman

Truman Library - Public Papers of the Presidents: Harry S. Truman


I never gave anybody hell. I just told the truth and they thought it was hell.
Harry S. Truman

I can't take it up with Truman. He's dead.

Truman wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed.

While driving thru Missouri his wife had to stop him from constantly saying how great the shit smelled in the farmlands they were driving through

 

[Full-Auto]

liberals. cant understand why they dont just move to a socialist country, oh yeah I remember, they like it here because of the money, the capitalism, without jobs the liberals wont have any tax money to pay for all the entitlement programs. face it the liberals are really conservatives with swollen vaginas. true lliberals would leave america for some place more to their liking

America is a Liberal nation. The Constitution is a Liberal document. Conservatives never wanted to become independent.

Then liberals murdered the indigenous population.

Stand up, take a bow!

 

[Sallow]

You have no room to talk.

Democrats love a rigged game.

Their ideas are shit so they win on deception.

Recall elections, busing voters from one polling place to another. Rousting handicapped voters out of hospital beds telling them who to vote for. Allowing college student to run polling places. Voting more than once. Allowing racist thugs to scare away white voters. Motor-voter laws. Same day registration. Fighting voter I. D. Laws at every turn.

That's rich.

We have 41% of the people that can vote..voting and all you do is bray on about voter fraud.

That's the lowest in the industrialized world.

We should be doing what Australia does in this regard. And make it mandatory for everyone eligible to vote..to do so.

Like Jury Duty.

Well we see you support freedom, at gun point.

Hussein got 100% of the vote.

Only guns I see here is in your avatar and sig, chief.

I don't use guns. Not even in my more "violent" days. I generally used my dukes.

And are you against Jury Duty?

Or is that Self Evident.