Foodstamps Are Good

[Jarhead]

So, you are promoting the law of the jungle. THAT is not a civil society. Take a course in civics.

Food stamps and unemployment will do little to create 'new' jobs, but the money that goes to families will go directly back into the economy, keep many homes from going into foreclosure and keep people from living in 2010 Hoovervilles.

What right wing conservatives ALWAYS ignore is the human cost and capital. Their morally bankrupt punishments require some group of human beings to evaporate.

During the Great Depression conservatives raised the same objections to F.D.R.’s programs. They said the economy must be left alone and it would correct itself in the long run. Commerce Secretary Harry Hopkins shot back: “People don’t eat in the long run. They eat every day.”

"Republicans care more about property, Democrats care more about people"
Ted Sorensen - President Kennedy's Special Counsel & Adviser, and primary speechwriter

No one is arguing that entitlements (I hate that term, but I use it as a collective) are a good thing for the people that need them. Heck, I certainly will never say no to something that will help a person survive.

The real debate is about America and the direction it will go. DO we become a country that is sustained by the government or do we continue as a country that is sustained by opportunity.

Many of us believe that those that need will get from those that have. I will never walk away from someone who needs help and I believe most like me wont. Sure, there are the selfish....but I believe there are more of the selfless...and if government stepped aside, the people will be there to fill the void.

So please do not spin the conservative ideology...we want to help those that need...and we will......we dont want government to do it for us at the cost of our freedom to choose.

Now, dont get me wrong...I understand that the progressive ideology believes that those that have will not voluntariily help those that need. I respect that concern....but I simply dont agree with it...and I would be willing to debate it as long as I dont have the old "why do you hate poor people" thrown at me.

interesting no one wanted to enter a fair and balanced debate.
Ok.

 

[Sallow]

liberals. cant understand why they dont just move to a socialist country, oh yeah I remember, they like it here because of the money, the capitalism, without jobs the liberals wont have any tax money to pay for all the entitlement programs. face it the liberals are really conservatives with swollen vaginas. true lliberals would leave america for some place more to their liking

America is a Liberal nation. The Constitution is a Liberal document. Conservatives never wanted to become independent.

Then liberals murdered the indigenous population.

Stand up, take a bow!

True.

And had slaves.

See?

We admit to fault. That's something you guys are incapable of..

 

[Full-Auto]

That's rich.

We have 41% of the people that can vote..voting and all you do is bray on about voter fraud.

That's the lowest in the industrialized world.

We should be doing what Australia does in this regard. And make it mandatory for everyone eligible to vote..to do so.

Like Jury Duty.

Well we see you support freedom, at gun point.

Hussein got 100% of the vote.

Only guns I see here is in your avatar and sig, chief.

I don't use guns. Not even in my more "violent" days. I generally used my dukes.

And are you against Jury Duty?

Or is that Self Evident.

Most points go over your head anyway. I will try to remember the map when speaking to you.

 

[Sallow]

Well we see you support freedom, at gun point.

Hussein got 100% of the vote.

Only guns I see here is in your avatar and sig, chief.

I don't use guns. Not even in my more "violent" days. I generally used my dukes.

And are you against Jury Duty?

Or is that Self Evident.

Most points go over your head anyway. I will try to remember the map when speaking to you.

Are you and "The T" like the same person..except hes' the crazy uncle in the closet one and you are the more rational one?

Like this guy:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rsb7rho72QM]Batman - Arkham Files: Two Face - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Full-Auto]

Only guns I see here is in your avatar and sig, chief.

I don't use guns. Not even in my more "violent" days. I generally used my dukes.

And are you against Jury Duty?

Or is that Self Evident.

Most points go over your head anyway. I will try to remember the map when speaking to you.

Are you and "The T" like the same person..except hes' the crazy uncle in the closet one and you are the more rational one?

Like this guy:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rsb7rho72QM]Batman - Arkham Files: Two Face - YouTube[/ame]

Thank you for reinforcing the point. The first thing that comes to your mind is a cartoon.

 

[Sallow]

Most points go over your head anyway. I will try to remember the map when speaking to you.

Are you and "The T" like the same person..except hes' the crazy uncle in the closet one and you are the more rational one?

Like this guy:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rsb7rho72QM]Batman - Arkham Files: Two Face - YouTube[/ame]

Thank you for reinforcing the point. The first thing that comes to your mind is a cartoon.

Well best to nutshell things with you guys.

 

[The Rabbi]

Why does the right wing like to kick around the least amongst us?

Why does the Left wing want to enslave people in gov't programs rather than helping them into the middle class?

 

[Full-Auto]

Are you and "The T" like the same person..except hes' the crazy uncle in the closet one and you are the more rational one?

Like this guy:

Batman - Arkham Files: Two Face - YouTube

Thank you for reinforcing the point. The first thing that comes to your mind is a cartoon.

Well best to nutshell things with you guys.

Have some coffee, GET SOME GAME

 

[Sallow]

Why does the right wing like to kick around the least amongst us?

Why does the Left wing want to enslave people in gov't programs rather than helping them into the middle class?

Nothing. Nadda. Butkis. Zero. The right wing has ever done has helped to create a middle class.

Quite the opposite. They have done their very best to fleece the middle class.

 

[Jarhead]

Why does the right wing like to kick around the least amongst us?

Why does the Left wing want to enslave people in gov't programs rather than helping them into the middle class?

why does the right want to starve little children?
why does the right want to starve the elderly?
why does the right want to starve the lazy?

why does the right hate America?

 

[OldUSAFSniper]

The bottom line is that the basic difference between Republicans and Democrats is that each believes in the principle that all men are created equal and that each should have an EQUAL shot at making it. Where we fall apart is that Republicans know that some will fail, some will not want to work to make it and some, for whatever reason will not be able to. Republicans believe that those that cannot "do" deserve a helping hand and it is our duty to provide for those that cannot do for themselves. It is a biblical principle (I know it just makes you lefties shriek). But if you are able to work and able to do what is necessary then that person must provide their own sustinance. If you want to sit on the street corner and do nothing, then Republicans believe that you have every right to do that. But don't come to us with a hand out asking for the rent or for anything else. You have the right to not work. You have the right to party all day and all night. AND, you therefore have the right to get kicked out in the street. Republicans believe in the addage that if you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day. But if you teach him to fish, you feed him for life. Those that don't want to learn are going to go hungry, aren't they?

Democrats believe that if you fail or if you don't want to work, then society has to GIVE you what you need to survive. Democrats also believe that a society MUST take what it needs from others to give it to those that do not want to work. Even at the point of a gun. So that person sitting on the street corner all day doing nothing, should be given what he needs to survive even if I have to come take it from you to give it to him. It's like the drug addict. Rarely do people force you to stick that needle in your arm. That is your CHOICE. You want to do drugs, then that's fine. But after you've spent all the money on drugs, don't come to me saying that you DESERVE something. No, you don't. Want to stop, seek treatment.

The principles of a Democrat can be understood really. They've got their hearts in the right place. They're just really niave. And when they come to STEAL from me (because that's just exactly what it is) it really pisses me off. They stop being nice people and become really irritating, especially when they start shreiking and whining. And they get really annoying when they STEAL from me at the point of a gun. I start to really resist that sort of crap, thus the reason for the rise of the Tea Party.

 

[mudwhistle]

Foodstamps Are Good

I never tried food stamps. Do they come in flavors? Are the vitamin fortified? Lowfat, high fiber?

They're high in fiber.

 

[Jarhead]

Foodstamps Are Good

I never tried food stamps. Do they come in flavors? Are the vitamin fortified? Lowfat, high fiber?

They're high in fiber.

who is high on fiber?
How can I get me some of that fiber?
Do you roll it and smoke it or is it best out of a bong?

 

[mudwhistle]

Why does the right wing like to kick around the least amongst us?

Why does the Left wing want to enslave people in gov't programs rather than helping them into the middle class?

why does the right want to starve little children?
why does the right want to starve the elderly?
why does the right want to starve the lazy?

why does the right hate America?

Jesus....I guess they don't want anyone voting for them.

That's the only explanation.

 

[High_Gravity]

Foodstamps Are Good

I never tried food stamps. Do they come in flavors? Are the vitamin fortified? Lowfat, high fiber?

Its on a EBT card.

 

[Jarhead]

Why does the Left wing want to enslave people in gov't programs rather than helping them into the middle class?

why does the right want to starve little children?
why does the right want to starve the elderly?
why does the right want to starve the lazy?

why does the right hate America?

Jesus....I guess they don't want anyone voting for them.

That's the only explaination.

The GOP has made it quite clear that they only care about the wealthiest. They want to see anyone in the "bottom" 98% die of starvation or hypothermia.

Then they will have 100% of the vote....and not to have to worry about those lazy hungry children that will likely grow up to be theives anyway.

Given a choice, the GOP would re-establish slavery.....afterall...if them black people want free stuff, they can be owned by us and we will house 'em and feed 'em.

It will be a win win for all.

 

[mudwhistle]

The bottom line is that the basic difference between Republicans and Democrats is that each believes in the principle that all men are created equal and that each should have an EQUAL shot at making it. Where we fall apart is that Republicans know that some will fail, some will not want to work to make it and some, for whatever reason will not be able to. Republicans believe that those that cannot "do" deserve a helping hand and it is our duty to provide for those that cannot do for themselves. It is a biblical principle (I know it just makes you lefties shriek). But if you are able to work and able to do what is necessary then that person must provide their own sustinance. If you want to sit on the street corner and do nothing, then Republicans believe that you have every right to do that. But don't come to us with a hand out asking for the rent or for anything else. You have the right to not work. You have the right to party all day and all night. AND, you therefore have the right to get kicked out in the street. Republicans believe in the addage that if you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day. But if you teach him to fish, you feed him for life. Those that don't want to learn are going to go hungry, aren't they?

Democrats believe that if you fail or if you don't want to work, then society has to GIVE you what you need to survive. Democrats also believe that a society MUST take what it needs from others to give it to those that do not want to work. Even at the point of a gun. So that person sitting on the street corner all day doing nothing, should be given what he needs to survive even if I have to come take it from you to give it to him. It's like the drug addict. Rarely do people force you to stick that needle in your arm. That is your CHOICE. You want to do drugs, then that's fine. But after you've spent all the money on drugs, don't come to me saying that you DESERVE something. No, you don't. Want to stop, seek treatment.

The principles of a Democrat can be understood really. They've got their hearts in the right place. They're just really niave. And when they come to STEAL from me (because that's just exactly what it is) it really pisses me off. They stop being nice people and become really irritating, especially when they start shreiking and whining. And they get really annoying when they STEAL from me at the point of a gun. I start to really resist that sort of crap, thus the reason for the rise of the Tea Party.

I believe Democrat voters have their hearts in the right place, for the most part. However their leaders sometimes don't. Using Socialism as a weapon to 'Spread the wealth' removes the goodwill factor and reduces it to revenge.

 

[mudwhistle]

why does the right want to starve little children?
why does the right want to starve the elderly?
why does the right want to starve the lazy?

why does the right hate America?

Jesus....I guess they don't want anyone voting for them.

That's the only explaination.

The GOP has made it quite clear that they only care about the wealthiest. They want to see anyone in the "bottom" 98% die of starvation or hypothermia.

Then they will have 100% of the vote....and not to have to worry about those lazy hungry children that will likely grow up to be theives anyway.

Given a choice, the GOP would re-establish slavery.....afterall...if them black people want free stuff, they can be owned by us and we will house 'em and feed 'em.

It will be a win win for all.

Ha ha

If that's the case then who's gonna clean their pools, cut their grass, or shine their shoes?

Show me any GOPer that says "I only care about the rich and I want to return to slavery".

What you're repeating is Democrat talking-points that have no more basis in reality then the existence of UFOs.

 

[NYcarbineer]

In my opinion when someone like Sallow makes a statement such as the GOP wants to kick puppies, push widows into the streets, hold people hostage, or get rid of food stamps completely, such hyperbole cannot go unchallenged.

Is the federal food stamp program unconstitutional?

 

[Jarhead]

Jesus....I guess they don't want anyone voting for them.

That's the only explaination.

The GOP has made it quite clear that they only care about the wealthiest. They want to see anyone in the "bottom" 98% die of starvation or hypothermia.

Then they will have 100% of the vote....and not to have to worry about those lazy hungry children that will likely grow up to be theives anyway.

Given a choice, the GOP would re-establish slavery.....afterall...if them black people want free stuff, they can be owned by us and we will house 'em and feed 'em.

It will be a win win for all.

Ha ha

If that's the case then who's gonna clean their pools, cut their grass, or shine their shoes?

Show me any GOPer that says "I only care about the rich and I want to return to slavery".

What you're repeating is Democrat talking-points that have no more basis in reality then the existence of UFOs.

Clean their pools and shine their shoes?

The Asians....of course.

Man...get with the fucking program.