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TGG certainly does not conduct himself as a worthy American adult male here.
Probably a one-hand commando typing away in his room in Mommy's basement.
You're still an emo deuche with nothing important to say; so you fall back on insults instead of joining the discussion. Sorta ironic considering the criticism you just leveled against me.
Move along.
WorldWatcher for someone that says his mind is not made up; you sure do a lot of twisting against Zimmerman. After going through the first 5 "Not a facts" and realizing you don't actually know what the facts are per se then I don't know how you can be so arrogant. You don't come off as enlightened, you come off as a person with an agenda. I stopped reading after the first five so-called not a facts.
TGG certainly does not conduct himself as a worthy American adult male here.
Probably a one-hand commando typing away in his room in Mommy's basement.
You're still an emo deuche with nothing important to say; so you fall back on insults instead of joining the discussion. Sorta ironic considering the criticism you just leveled against me.
Says a white supremacist Storm Front doosh?
You're still an emo deuche with nothing important to say; so you fall back on insults instead of joining the discussion. Sorta ironic considering the criticism you just leveled against me.
Says a white supremacist Storm Front doosh?
Yea, I never even heard of storm front til 5 minutes ago. Stop trolling dude.
WorldWatcher for someone that says his mind is not made up; you sure do a lot of twisting against Zimmerman. After going through the first 5 "Not a facts" and realizing you don't actually know what the facts are per se then I don't know how you can be so arrogant. You don't come off as enlightened, you come off as a person with an agenda. I stopped reading after the first five so-called not a facts.
No agenda, as a matter of fact I'm a gun owner and a member of our Neighborhood Watch. Given only the fact made available to the public if I was a jurist in the trial, then I would feel the state had not met the criteria of "beyond a reasonable doubt", and would today vote that Zimmerman was "Not Guilty".
Feel free to provide any supporting evidence as to the "facts" presented in the post I responded to and we can discuss. The very first thing I said in the post was that it would simply be an attempt to provide a counterpoint to what an individual claimed were the "facts" of the case and I showed that what the individual called "facts" they were simply his opinion, something very different.
As I said, if you would like to discuss verifiable "facts", not things simply that Zimmerman may or may not have claimed in his story, then that would be enjoyable.
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Says a white supremacist Storm Front doosh?
Yea, I never even heard of storm front til 5 minutes ago. Stop trolling dude.
That's a doosh of a lie. But if, for once, you, teen supremacist, are telling the truth, go look it up. You will be in pig doosh heaven. Go for it.,
WorldWatcher for someone that says his mind is not made up; you sure do a lot of twisting against Zimmerman. After going through the first 5 "Not a facts" and realizing you don't actually know what the facts are per se then I don't know how you can be so arrogant. You don't come off as enlightened, you come off as a person with an agenda. I stopped reading after the first five so-called not a facts.
No agenda, as a matter of fact I'm a gun owner and a member of our Neighborhood Watch. Given only the fact made available to the public if I was a jurist in the trial, then I would feel the state had not met the criteria of "beyond a reasonable doubt", and would today vote that Zimmerman was "Not Guilty".
Feel free to provide any supporting evidence as to the "facts" presented in the post I responded to and we can discuss. The very first thing I said in the post was that it would simply be an attempt to provide a counterpoint to what an individual claimed were the "facts" of the case and I showed that what the individual called "facts" they were simply his opinion, something very different.
As I said, if you would like to discuss verifiable "facts", not things simply that Zimmerman may or may not have claimed in his story, then that would be enjoyable.
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Yes, but a lot of your "not facts" were based on speculation or the idea that they are not necessarily proven or known facts. Perhaps I'm just being too critical. Seems like you should have chosen your words better. Perhaps said "not proven" or "not certain." Just b/c you don't know something doesn't make it a "not fact."
Just to provide a counterpoint to some of these "facts". And no my mind is not made up either way as the public does not have access to all the information that has been developed.
Interesting post under the article linked to in the OP.
8 facts that support Zimmerman's claim of lawful self defense:
Fact 1:
Zimmerman had a broken nose supporting his claim that Trayvon punched him in the face.
That is not a fact. The police report simply says that Zimmerman's nose was bleeding, he received first aid by SFD EMT's. My understanding is he declined to go to the hospital for his injuries and so was taken directly to the police station.
Fact 2:
Zimmerman had wet grass stains on the back of his jacket supporting his claim that Trayvon knocked him on his back.
Not a fact.
The only fact that shows is that Zimmerman and Martin ended up on the ground, it does nothing to support who initiated hostilities.
Just to provide a counterpoint to some of these "facts". And no my mind is not made up either way as the public does not have access to all the information that has been developed.
These QUOTES should not have my name on them. Also your responses are addressed directly to me. I was only quoting a post in the OP article. All I said was this is interesting. The poster seemed to have facts I never saw before.
Says a white supremacist Storm Front doosh?
Yea, I never even heard of storm front til 5 minutes ago. Stop trolling dude.
That's a doosh of a lie. But if, for once, you, teen supremacist, are telling the truth, go look it up. You will be in pig doosh heaven. Go for it.,
Exactly.
I'm not quite sure why the racists are so vested in there not being a trial.
Although not everyone that didn't think there should be a trial is racist. The important thing is that the people responsible with making the decision on a trial or not, made the decision, perhaps based on information we don't know yet.
Our justice system is not perfect, but it's the best in the world. No need to look at it with cynisim now, and there wasn't a need before he was arrested. Let's trust that he gets a fair trial, and ultimately hope for justice.
If someone violently attacked you and you lawfully used lethal force to protect yourself and then you were tried, you'd be cynical. It doesn't even matter if Zimmerman is declared not guilty, the legal system is already abusing him at this point.
BTW, despite media twisting, they have the eye witness that states it was Zimmerman on the ground yelling for help. This case is not even gray like people are pretending.
That's what the defense has to do, and he's not necisarily the victim.
but an anonymous racist like TGG isn't the defense attorney. plus, you just can't throw mud at a victim b/c there is prejudice that would attach which outweighs the probative value. they would be allowed to talk only about what occurred THEN...
I doubt they'll be able to bring up the nonsense about him having tats and giving the finger to the camera on twitter...
neither of those things justifies someone being hunted down.
Racist? Give me a break. That's a load of junk. But you're worse than a racist. You're willing to crucify an innocent man b/c you have some sort of political agenda.
Yea, I never even heard of storm front til 5 minutes ago. Stop trolling dude.
That's a doosh of a lie. But if, for once, you, teen supremacist, are telling the truth, go look it up. You will be in pig doosh heaven. Go for it.,
Oh, god; no doubt.
I really believe he was arrested just to appease the people that have been screaming for his arrest...whether they had real evidence or not.
They had WEEKS to make this decision. I may be wrong, but i think they had to come up with something that the protestors would be satisfied with. 2nd Degree Murder sounds good...but i have a feeling that he will probably walk away with a very short sentence, or none at all, once the jury hears all the evidence. There are many out there that will not accept a not guilty verdict, no matter what the evidence is. In fact i believe there are many that will protest (or riot) anything less than a 10 yr sentence, no matter if the evidence happens to prove that Zimmerman is telling the truth.
I don't see any evidence that exonerates Zimmerman.
If Trayvon attacked him, it was because he followed him after being told not to by a 911 operator. In short, his negligence in getting into that situation negates any mitigation during the situation.
Kind of like a drunk driver doesn't get off because he was drunk.
Do I think there were politics involved here? Absolutely. But I think that a law that allows a loose cannon like Zimmerman to walk around packing a 9MM and shoot a kid in the street is pure insanity.
No agenda, as a matter of fact I'm a gun owner and a member of our Neighborhood Watch. Given only the fact made available to the public if I was a jurist in the trial, then I would feel the state had not met the criteria of "beyond a reasonable doubt", and would today vote that Zimmerman was "Not Guilty".
Feel free to provide any supporting evidence as to the "facts" presented in the post I responded to and we can discuss. The very first thing I said in the post was that it would simply be an attempt to provide a counterpoint to what an individual claimed were the "facts" of the case and I showed that what the individual called "facts" they were simply his opinion, something very different.
As I said, if you would like to discuss verifiable "facts", not things simply that Zimmerman may or may not have claimed in his story, then that would be enjoyable.
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Yes, but a lot of your "not facts" were based on speculation or the idea that they are not necessarily proven or known facts. Perhaps I'm just being too critical. Seems like you should have chosen your words better. Perhaps said "not proven" or "not certain." Just b/c you don't know something doesn't make it a "not fact."
Most of the individuals "facts" were based on speculation which were not known or proven facts. It it is "not proven" or "not certain" then logic says it is "not a fact".
Let's take an example. In the first "Fact" the poster says that Zimmerman had a broken nose. Where is the evidence of that? The police report does not say that, it says that his nose was bleeding not that it was broken. Zimmerman received first aid on site from EMT's. Is there an EMT report that has been made available to public stating that his nose was broken? (I haven't seen one.) Zimmerman refused transport to the hospital for his injuries, so there was no medical examination no medical evaluation is part of the record at this time.
To state Zimmerman's nose was broken we would need a medical evaluation showing it was broken. Without confirmation we could have his nose broken or it was simply a bloody nose. We know his nose was bleeding, that is a fact. We don't know is nose was broken (at this point) so it is not a fact it is speculation.
Do you have access to medical reports that his nose was broken?
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Since two people here think you have carried the work as it was posted let's see what you have got.The question will turn on whether Zimmerman had abandoned the pursuit when he returned to his car and whether it was Zimmerman then followed by Martin.
Zimmerman didn't return to his truck. That was parked on Twin Tree's, the event took place behind the building. For Zimmerman to have returned to his truck and been ambushed by Martin, then Martin would have had to drag Zimmerman back behind the building were the fight progressed and then Zimmerman shot Martin.
Makes no sense.
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