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I should have suspected he was a foreigner, but I didn't want to insult him about his writing.
Yeah and he is busted. He is just jealous that he is not an American. Booo hooo and notice how he is embarrassed to state where he is from.
If he won't tell us, it has to be some country that has very liberal thinking; perhaps Europe somewhere.
Oh I'm sure it'll come up at some point, in fact I'm pretty certain I've already said it somewhere on the board. I don't feel like repeating now it because the Defiler's being a biligerent ass.
Well Defiler and I don't recall it, so perhaps it's your memory that's failing. Trust me, if you told us you were not an American, that would have stood out like a sore thumb.
Elsewhere on the board, where it was relevant to what ever I posted. It hasn't been relevant on this thread. At least I didn't think it was. We work/live with the same system, so the faults or merits are the same.
EDIT: I haven't said "I'm not American" I simply referenced my home as it was relevant.
As I said Defilers being an ass, if he want's to find enough, it he can search the board.
There is no conflict in anything I said. It's very simple. If you willingly take a job, your only entitlement is what you were promised to be paid. The product the company (not you) produces is their profit. You don't get that profit simply because you performed one small part of their production.
I can't explain it any simpler than that. To follow up on Defilers question, what country do you live in where industry shares their profits with their workers?
You're being disingenuous, do you honestly think anyone accepts a low wage, or to hand over the majority of the profit from their labour because they have a real choice? What would happen if they refused?
If they don't have a choice, then it was never their profit in the first place.
If they refuse to work, then they get fired. They go to the next job with the same standards. Workers don't "give" company profits to the company. The company created the profits so the worker never sees it.
Precisely, the choice is an illusion which is why I keep declaring your point invalid.
You keep saying the "company" created the profit, but the company only exists on paper, it cannot create a profit of it's own violation. The employees create the profit, the law declares they can't keep a fair share of it. I.e. man made law. I.e. the laws made by the wealthy, who get wealthy from the labour of their employees.
No, employees only create a process of a product, not the product itself in most cases. The employees do not market the product. The employees do not advertise the product. The employees do not hire sales people to sell the product. The employees did not invent the product nor have a patten on it.
The company does all these things.
You acknowleged (I think it was you) that companies employ people in order to make profits. Now you're saying they don't make profits. Are your now claiming they're employed out of charity?
Oh, and PEOPLE do all those things, they're called employees.
Yeah and he is busted. He is just jealous that he is not an American. Booo hooo and notice how he is embarrassed to state where he is from.
If he won't tell us, it has to be some country that has very liberal thinking; perhaps Europe somewhere.
Oh I'm sure it'll come up at some point, in fact I'm pretty certain I've already said it somewhere on the board. I don't feel like repeating now it because the Defiler's being a biligerent ass.
Well Defiler and I don't recall it, so perhaps it's your memory that's failing. Trust me, if you told us you were not an American, that would have stood out like a sore thumb.
Elsewhere on the board, where it was relevant to what ever I posted. It hasn't been relevant on this thread. At least I didn't think it was. We work/live with the same system, so the faults or merits are the same.
EDIT: I haven't said "I'm not American" I simply referenced my home as it was relevant.
As I said Defilers being an ass, if he want's to find enough, it he can search the board.
Thinking back to your earlier posts, I know you're not an American. So I support Defiler's wise observation.
I have no idea what other topics you participated in, so I don't know where you're from either. Why so coy about it?
Wherever you are from, you do not live under the same system as we do. You might think you do, but you don't.
You're being disingenuous, do you honestly think anyone accepts a low wage, or to hand over the majority of the profit from their labour because they have a real choice? What would happen if they refused?
If they don't have a choice, then it was never their profit in the first place.
If they refuse to work, then they get fired. They go to the next job with the same standards. Workers don't "give" company profits to the company. The company created the profits so the worker never sees it.
Precisely, the choice is an illusion which is why I keep declaring your point invalid.
You keep saying the "company" created the profit, but the company only exists on paper, it cannot create a profit of it's own violation. The employees create the profit, the law declares they can't keep a fair share of it. I.e. man made law. I.e. the laws made by the wealthy, who get wealthy from the labour of their employees.
No, employees only create a process of a product, not the product itself in most cases. The employees do not market the product. The employees do not advertise the product. The employees do not hire sales people to sell the product. The employees did not invent the product nor have a patten on it.
The company does all these things.
You acknowleged (I think it was you) that companies employ people in order to make profits. Now you're saying they don't make profits. Are your now claiming they're employed out of charity?
Oh, and PEOPLE do all those things, they're called employees.
That's exactly what I said. Companies employ people SO THE COMPANY CAN MAKE A PROFIT. The employees simply do the work of the company.
If they don't have a choice, then it was never their profit in the first place.
If they refuse to work, then they get fired. They go to the next job with the same standards. Workers don't "give" company profits to the company. The company created the profits so the worker never sees it.
Precisely, the choice is an illusion which is why I keep declaring your point invalid.
You keep saying the "company" created the profit, but the company only exists on paper, it cannot create a profit of it's own violation. The employees create the profit, the law declares they can't keep a fair share of it. I.e. man made law. I.e. the laws made by the wealthy, who get wealthy from the labour of their employees.
No, employees only create a process of a product, not the product itself in most cases. The employees do not market the product. The employees do not advertise the product. The employees do not hire sales people to sell the product. The employees did not invent the product nor have a patten on it.
The company does all these things.
You acknowleged (I think it was you) that companies employ people in order to make profits. Now you're saying they don't make profits. Are your now claiming they're employed out of charity?
Oh, and PEOPLE do all those things, they're called employees.
That's exactly what I said. Companies employ people SO THE COMPANY CAN MAKE A PROFIT. The employees simply do the work of the company.
So if all the people left, what would happen to the profit?
If he won't tell us, it has to be some country that has very liberal thinking; perhaps Europe somewhere.
Oh I'm sure it'll come up at some point, in fact I'm pretty certain I've already said it somewhere on the board. I don't feel like repeating now it because the Defiler's being a biligerent ass.
Well Defiler and I don't recall it, so perhaps it's your memory that's failing. Trust me, if you told us you were not an American, that would have stood out like a sore thumb.
Elsewhere on the board, where it was relevant to what ever I posted. It hasn't been relevant on this thread. At least I didn't think it was. We work/live with the same system, so the faults or merits are the same.
EDIT: I haven't said "I'm not American" I simply referenced my home as it was relevant.
As I said Defilers being an ass, if he want's to find enough, it he can search the board.
Thinking back to your earlier posts, I know you're not an American. So I support Defiler's wise observation.
I have no idea what other topics you participated in, so I don't know where you're from either. Why so coy about it?
Wherever you are from, you do not live under the same system as we do. You might think you do, but you don't.
I've acknowledged I'm not American. If I were pretending otherwise, I'd have consistantly used AMerican spellings. Defilers all excited over nothing. He's discovered somthing that wasn't hidden, it just isn't relevant. Absolutely I live under the same sytem as you do. What's scary is I hear people from all over the globe are saying exaclty the same things both you and I are saying about their own countrie. Yes, despite the fact we disagree, the same opposing views appear in toher countries, because so many of us are living under the same system where the minority are living of the labour of the majority.
I know you don't view it in that way, but when 90% of Americans only earn an average of 36k, that's the situation, no matter what explaination you put forward for it.
Most of the financial information I look at is global, when I look at individual countries, the difference is marginal and in terms of culture, not finance.
Just another bunch of bullshit brought to you by an idiot.
She wants we tax payers to pay people for doing absolutely nothing?
Oh wait. We already do that. Its called welfare and medicade. We pay freeloaders every month to sit on their asses and do nothing.
Her bill won't make it through the senate and you can bet it won't make it through the house either.
Woman is a moron.
We pay farmers not to plant crops on some of their land...is this any different?
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Yup. I like to eat and I'd bet you do as well.
Big difference between farmers who actually work and freeloaders who don't.
How does farmers NOT planting and being paid for not planting help you to eat?
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The poster you're replying to is just fine with socialism as long as she directly benefits from it.
Just another bunch of bullshit brought to you by an idiot.
She wants we tax payers to pay people for doing absolutely nothing?
Oh wait. We already do that. Its called welfare and medicade. We pay freeloaders every month to sit on their asses and do nothing.
Her bill won't make it through the senate and you can bet it won't make it through the house either.
Woman is a moron.
We pay farmers not to plant crops on some of their land...is this any different?
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Yup. I like to eat and I'd bet you do as well.
Big difference between farmers who actually work and freeloaders who don't.
How does farmers NOT planting and being paid for not planting help you to eat?
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The poster you're replying to is just fine with socialism as long as she directly benefits from it.
LMAO The only thing I directly benefit from is the money I earn.
Unlike you I don't like my hard earned money supporting freeloaders.
If you like it you can always move to a socialist paradise. How bout Venezuela??
We pay farmers not to plant crops on some of their land...is this any different?
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Yup. I like to eat and I'd bet you do as well.
Big difference between farmers who actually work and freeloaders who don't.
How does farmers NOT planting and being paid for not planting help you to eat?
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The poster you're replying to is just fine with socialism as long as she directly benefits from it.
LMAO The only thing I directly benefit from is the money I earn.
Unlike you I don't like my hard earned money supporting freeloaders.
If you like it you can always move to a socialist paradise. How bout Venezuela??
You do not directly benefit from the roads you drive on to get to work?
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If he won't tell us, it has to be some country that has very liberal thinking; perhaps Europe somewhere.
Oh I'm sure it'll come up at some point, in fact I'm pretty certain I've already said it somewhere on the board. I don't feel like repeating now it because the Defiler's being a biligerent ass.
Well Defiler and I don't recall it, so perhaps it's your memory that's failing. Trust me, if you told us you were not an American, that would have stood out like a sore thumb.
Elsewhere on the board, where it was relevant to what ever I posted. It hasn't been relevant on this thread. At least I didn't think it was. We work/live with the same system, so the faults or merits are the same.
EDIT: I haven't said "I'm not American" I simply referenced my home as it was relevant.
As I said Defilers being an ass, if he want's to find enough, it he can search the board.
Thinking back to your earlier posts, I know you're not an American. So I support Defiler's wise observation.
I have no idea what other topics you participated in, so I don't know where you're from either. Why so coy about it?
Wherever you are from, you do not live under the same system as we do. You might think you do, but you don't.
I've acknowledged I'm not American. If I were pretending otherwise, I'd have consistantly used AMerican spellings. Defilers all excited over nothing. He's discovered somthing that wasn't hidden, it just isn't relevant. Absolutely I live under the same sytem as you do. What's scary is I hear people from all over the globe are saying exaclty the same things both you and I are saying about their own countrie. Yes, despite the fact we disagree, the same opposing views appear in toher countries, because so many of us are living under the same system where the minority are living of the labour of the majority.
I know you don't view it in that way, but when 90% of Americans only earn an average of 36k, that's the situation, no matter what explaination you put forward for it.
Most of the financial information I look at is global, when I look at individual countries, the difference is marginal and in terms of culture, not finance.
Yeah and he is busted. He is just jealous that he is not an American. Booo hooo and notice how he is embarrassed to state where he is from.
If he won't tell us, it has to be some country that has very liberal thinking; perhaps Europe somewhere.
Oh I'm sure it'll come up at some point, in fact I'm pretty certain I've already said it somewhere on the board. I don't feel like repeating now it because the Defiler's being a biligerent ass.
Well Defiler and I don't recall it, so perhaps it's your memory that's failing. Trust me, if you told us you were not an American, that would have stood out like a sore thumb.
Elsewhere on the board, where it was relevant to what ever I posted. It hasn't been relevant on this thread. At least I didn't think it was. We work/live with the same system, so the faults or merits are the same.
EDIT: I haven't said "I'm not American" I simply referenced my home as it was relevant.
As I said Defilers being an ass, if he want's to find enough, it he can search the board.
Thinking back to your earlier posts, I know you're not an American. So I support Defiler's wise observation.
I have no idea what other topics you participated in, so I don't know where you're from either. Why so coy about it?
Wherever you are from, you do not live under the same system as we do. You might think you do, but you don't.
Yup. I like to eat and I'd bet you do as well.
Big difference between farmers who actually work and freeloaders who don't.
How does farmers NOT planting and being paid for not planting help you to eat?
Sent from my iPhone using USMessageBoard.com
The poster you're replying to is just fine with socialism as long as she directly benefits from it.
LMAO The only thing I directly benefit from is the money I earn.
Unlike you I don't like my hard earned money supporting freeloaders.
If you like it you can always move to a socialist paradise. How bout Venezuela??
You do not directly benefit from the roads you drive on to get to work?
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You call that socialism?? I call in tax dollars that everyone who lives in a city pays to upkeep the city.
The only people who don't pay are the freeloaders who reap all they can from we tax payers.
He's not playing.Just another bunch of bullshit brought to you by an idiot.
She wants we tax payers to pay people for doing absolutely nothing?
Oh wait. We already do that. Its called welfare and medicade. We pay freeloaders every month to sit on their asses and do nothing.
Her bill won't make it through the senate and you can bet it won't make it through the house either.
Woman is a moron.
We pay farmers not to plant crops on some of their land...is this any different?
Sent from my iPhone using USMessageBoard.com
Yup. I like to eat and I'd bet you do as well.
Big difference between farmers who actually work and freeloaders who don't.
How does farmers NOT planting and being paid for not planting help you to eat?
Sent from my iPhone using USMessageBoard.com
How many times have I enlightened you on this?
Why do you like to play stupid?
You’re lazy? You think poverty is bad luck. I think It’s due to laziness.
Lazy no. I just know there's a level of stupid I'm not able to get down to. That post was pretty much there.
Lazy yes.
It's all about the will to succeed. If you dont have that will you're lazy by definition.
I was poor as a church mouse at 18 and a high school dropout. I decided I didnt want to live that way so I did something about it.
If you're cruising through life working one shit job after another thats on you.
You've no idea if I'm successful by your measure or not successful by your measure, so you're talking out your rear end.
Only a few posts up you stated I was part of the top 7%.
It's easy to determine success here by how people talk and feel. If you were successful, you wouldn't believe the things you do; no financial successful person does.
In the top 7% income earners. That's a factual statement based on the report I posted. I has nothing to do with what I believe.
It depends what you mean as successful. If being in the top 5% earners means successful in your eyes, I'm successful. Regardless of that, yes I think the way I do. I'm not sure why you think my level of success, however you define that, should impact the facts I observe. Facts are facts regardless of one's relative position to them.
Like another poster I was surprised to find my income puts me in the top 5% earners bracket. In my case I was also disgusted that earning so little put me in that bracket. My work includes producing and analysing stats, so I read stats and their meanings accordingly. I know that my being in the top 5% at my level of earning, means there are large numbers who don't earn enough to feed themselves properly and put a decent roof over their head.
I'd love just one person to challenge the facts I've put forward, rather than their "feels".
Precisely, the choice is an illusion which is why I keep declaring your point invalid.
You keep saying the "company" created the profit, but the company only exists on paper, it cannot create a profit of it's own violation. The employees create the profit, the law declares they can't keep a fair share of it. I.e. man made law. I.e. the laws made by the wealthy, who get wealthy from the labour of their employees.
No, employees only create a process of a product, not the product itself in most cases. The employees do not market the product. The employees do not advertise the product. The employees do not hire sales people to sell the product. The employees did not invent the product nor have a patten on it.
The company does all these things.
You acknowleged (I think it was you) that companies employ people in order to make profits. Now you're saying they don't make profits. Are your now claiming they're employed out of charity?
Oh, and PEOPLE do all those things, they're called employees.
That's exactly what I said. Companies employ people SO THE COMPANY CAN MAKE A PROFIT. The employees simply do the work of the company.
So if all the people left, what would happen to the profit?
The same thing if the company closed down. What would happen to all those workers?
Oh I'm sure it'll come up at some point, in fact I'm pretty certain I've already said it somewhere on the board. I don't feel like repeating now it because the Defiler's being a biligerent ass.
Well Defiler and I don't recall it, so perhaps it's your memory that's failing. Trust me, if you told us you were not an American, that would have stood out like a sore thumb.
Elsewhere on the board, where it was relevant to what ever I posted. It hasn't been relevant on this thread. At least I didn't think it was. We work/live with the same system, so the faults or merits are the same.
EDIT: I haven't said "I'm not American" I simply referenced my home as it was relevant.
As I said Defilers being an ass, if he want's to find enough, it he can search the board.
Thinking back to your earlier posts, I know you're not an American. So I support Defiler's wise observation.
I have no idea what other topics you participated in, so I don't know where you're from either. Why so coy about it?
Wherever you are from, you do not live under the same system as we do. You might think you do, but you don't.
I've acknowledged I'm not American. If I were pretending otherwise, I'd have consistantly used AMerican spellings. Defilers all excited over nothing. He's discovered somthing that wasn't hidden, it just isn't relevant. Absolutely I live under the same sytem as you do. What's scary is I hear people from all over the globe are saying exaclty the same things both you and I are saying about their own countrie. Yes, despite the fact we disagree, the same opposing views appear in toher countries, because so many of us are living under the same system where the minority are living of the labour of the majority.
I know you don't view it in that way, but when 90% of Americans only earn an average of 36k, that's the situation, no matter what explaination you put forward for it.
Most of the financial information I look at is global, when I look at individual countries, the difference is marginal and in terms of culture, not finance.
No, you never acknowledged you were not an American until cornered. It's just assumed by all of us that anybody participating in US Message Board are US citizens unless told differently. Unless your writings are completely not understandable, we just assume you are an American with terrible grammar and punctuation skills. Yes, we have them here.
But since you won't tell us where you're from, and claim you live under the same system, how many millionaires do you have in your country? How many billionaires?
Oh I'm sure it'll come up at some point, in fact I'm pretty certain I've already said it somewhere on the board. I don't feel like repeating now it because the Defiler's being a biligerent ass.
Well Defiler and I don't recall it, so perhaps it's your memory that's failing. Trust me, if you told us you were not an American, that would have stood out like a sore thumb.
Elsewhere on the board, where it was relevant to what ever I posted. It hasn't been relevant on this thread. At least I didn't think it was. We work/live with the same system, so the faults or merits are the same.
EDIT: I haven't said "I'm not American" I simply referenced my home as it was relevant.
As I said Defilers being an ass, if he want's to find enough, it he can search the board.
Thinking back to your earlier posts, I know you're not an American. So I support Defiler's wise observation.
I have no idea what other topics you participated in, so I don't know where you're from either. Why so coy about it?
Wherever you are from, you do not live under the same system as we do. You might think you do, but you don't.
I've acknowledged I'm not American. If I were pretending otherwise, I'd have consistantly used AMerican spellings. Defilers all excited over nothing. He's discovered somthing that wasn't hidden, it just isn't relevant. Absolutely I live under the same sytem as you do. What's scary is I hear people from all over the globe are saying exaclty the same things both you and I are saying about their own countrie. Yes, despite the fact we disagree, the same opposing views appear in toher countries, because so many of us are living under the same system where the minority are living of the labour of the majority.
I know you don't view it in that way, but when 90% of Americans only earn an average of 36k, that's the situation, no matter what explaination you put forward for it.
Most of the financial information I look at is global, when I look at individual countries, the difference is marginal and in terms of culture, not finance.
Here’s how much the average American earns at every age
We have 50 states. Earning $50k in Alabama is not terrible as the cost of living is cheaper. Your 90% includes seniors, students and those just starting their careers. Average wage in NYC is way higher. You use fuzzy math for your socialist logic.
average wage in nyc 2018 - Google Search
Lazy no. I just know there's a level of stupid I'm not able to get down to. That post was pretty much there.
Lazy yes.
It's all about the will to succeed. If you dont have that will you're lazy by definition.
I was poor as a church mouse at 18 and a high school dropout. I decided I didnt want to live that way so I did something about it.
If you're cruising through life working one shit job after another thats on you.
You've no idea if I'm successful by your measure or not successful by your measure, so you're talking out your rear end.
Only a few posts up you stated I was part of the top 7%.
It's easy to determine success here by how people talk and feel. If you were successful, you wouldn't believe the things you do; no financial successful person does.
In the top 7% income earners. That's a factual statement based on the report I posted. I has nothing to do with what I believe.
It depends what you mean as successful. If being in the top 5% earners means successful in your eyes, I'm successful. Regardless of that, yes I think the way I do. I'm not sure why you think my level of success, however you define that, should impact the facts I observe. Facts are facts regardless of one's relative position to them.
Like another poster I was surprised to find my income puts me in the top 5% earners bracket. In my case I was also disgusted that earning so little put me in that bracket. My work includes producing and analysing stats, so I read stats and their meanings accordingly. I know that my being in the top 5% at my level of earning, means there are large numbers who don't earn enough to feed themselves properly and put a decent roof over their head.
I'd love just one person to challenge the facts I've put forward, rather than their "feels".
Are you referring to the homeless?
Lazy yes.
It's all about the will to succeed. If you dont have that will you're lazy by definition.
I was poor as a church mouse at 18 and a high school dropout. I decided I didnt want to live that way so I did something about it.
If you're cruising through life working one shit job after another thats on you.
You've no idea if I'm successful by your measure or not successful by your measure, so you're talking out your rear end.
Only a few posts up you stated I was part of the top 7%.
It's easy to determine success here by how people talk and feel. If you were successful, you wouldn't believe the things you do; no financial successful person does.
In the top 7% income earners. That's a factual statement based on the report I posted. I has nothing to do with what I believe.
It depends what you mean as successful. If being in the top 5% earners means successful in your eyes, I'm successful. Regardless of that, yes I think the way I do. I'm not sure why you think my level of success, however you define that, should impact the facts I observe. Facts are facts regardless of one's relative position to them.
Like another poster I was surprised to find my income puts me in the top 5% earners bracket. In my case I was also disgusted that earning so little put me in that bracket. My work includes producing and analysing stats, so I read stats and their meanings accordingly. I know that my being in the top 5% at my level of earning, means there are large numbers who don't earn enough to feed themselves properly and put a decent roof over their head.
I'd love just one person to challenge the facts I've put forward, rather than their "feels".
Are you referring to the homeless?
I'm referring to the information I've posted.
You've no idea if I'm successful by your measure or not successful by your measure, so you're talking out your rear end.
Only a few posts up you stated I was part of the top 7%.
It's easy to determine success here by how people talk and feel. If you were successful, you wouldn't believe the things you do; no financial successful person does.
In the top 7% income earners. That's a factual statement based on the report I posted. I has nothing to do with what I believe.
It depends what you mean as successful. If being in the top 5% earners means successful in your eyes, I'm successful. Regardless of that, yes I think the way I do. I'm not sure why you think my level of success, however you define that, should impact the facts I observe. Facts are facts regardless of one's relative position to them.
Like another poster I was surprised to find my income puts me in the top 5% earners bracket. In my case I was also disgusted that earning so little put me in that bracket. My work includes producing and analysing stats, so I read stats and their meanings accordingly. I know that my being in the top 5% at my level of earning, means there are large numbers who don't earn enough to feed themselves properly and put a decent roof over their head.
I'd love just one person to challenge the facts I've put forward, rather than their "feels".
Are you referring to the homeless?
I'm referring to the information I've posted.
The vast majority of Americans have a roof over their heads.
Unless you're talking about California.
