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There is no 90% failure. Where do you come up with that? If you are middle-class, it's because you chose to be middle-class like I did. Society didn't make me middle-class, society didn't restrict my income, society didn't restrict me from investing and taking huge risks. That's all on me.
Could I have done much better? Sure I could have. I could have leased my own truck and started my own trucking business. I could have given up the technology I use all the time; mostly for entertainment. I could have rejected eating out. There are a lot of things I could have done, but I chose not to.
I made investments with the money I had left over from living the lifestyle I have. I never got married and had children because I didn't want the expense. I don't like getting into things I can't back out of.
Do you believe it's possible for every person to be well off? Well of as in earning in the six figure bracket?
And every person, not as in every individual, but every adult individual currently living in the states to all be earning a 6 figure sum all at the same time.
Do you believe that's possible?
No more than I think everybody can be a star quarterback, singer or song writer, actor or actress.
You were born in a country where you have the constitutional right to pursue happiness. Nowhere in the document does it guarantee happiness. I'll never be a billionaire either, but that doesn't mean there is something wrong with our financial system or that billionaires owe me anything.
I ll Never play for the Celtics. The foreigner has yet to tell me how much of my hard earned money someone else is entitled to and why.
In your parochial little mind do you believe "foreigners" measure percentages differently form Americans?
You’re moving the goal posts. Why do you care about the US economy when you’re not one of us? So where are you from? Still waiting.... comrade.
Do you believe it's possible for every person to be well off? Well of as in earning in the six figure bracket?
And every person, not as in every individual, but every adult individual currently living in the states to all be earning a 6 figure sum all at the same time.
Do you believe that's possible?
No more than I think everybody can be a star quarterback, singer or song writer, actor or actress.
You were born in a country where you have the constitutional right to pursue happiness. Nowhere in the document does it guarantee happiness. I'll never be a billionaire either, but that doesn't mean there is something wrong with our financial system or that billionaires owe me anything.
I ll Never play for the Celtics. The foreigner has yet to tell me how much of my hard earned money someone else is entitled to and why.
In your parochial little mind do you believe "foreigners" measure percentages differently form Americans?
You’re moving the goal posts. Why do you care about the US economy when you’re not one of us? So where are you from? Still waiting.... comrade.
I'm not moving the goal posts, you're just deflecting because you can come up with no logical argument to refute what I've said, so you come up with "feels".
The American system is the same as the system in most Western countries. Every point I've made is equaly true for most western countries, including my own.
But it's not your profit. You are only the worker.
Joe Shmoe decides he wants to be a business owner. He goes to college, gets into a field of work, saves a bunch of money, and takes the risk of opening up a business.
Now he has to buy or lease a building for his business. He has to hire a legal team and accountants. He has to purchase the equipment to make the product or provide the service for that business. He has to hire secretaries, cleaning people, maintenance people. He has to work out all the permits and taxes with the city. He will likely be working at a loss for at least a year. He will lose endless hours of sleep worrying about whether he's going to make it or not. He used his house as collateral and borrowed a bunch of money from the bank, family and friends.
Now he hires you for a job. And after all he went through, all his worrying, all his investment and risk, you think you should be able to walk in and share in his profits.
We're back to "why do you think someone has the god given right to own the fruits of another's labour" you haven't adressed that, you seem to just robotically repeat the mantra your masters have trained into you.
I've addressed that repeatedly. It's not a God given right, it's an agreement between employer and employee. If you're not happy with the money the employer is offering, then don't work for him. It's that simple. If nobody is offering the money you want, then your services are simply not worth the money. Open your own business and pay yourself whatever you like.
If you don't regard it as a god given right, why do you repeatedly claim that such a right exists? By what law do you claim it to be true that owning a company includes owning the fruit of another man's labour?
Incidently I do work for myself, but that has nothing to do with this discussion.
Well there is another clue you have no education or success. I stated something repeatedly, and you don't understand it. So you keep asking the same question over and over.
And despite the conflict in your statement, you repeat the same sound of your master's voice, competely unable to comprehend the difference between your masters voice, your own thoughts and my posts.
Doesn't matter. They both want to be American, regardless.
His posts claim he is American. I discovered another damn fraud. Foreign Leftists stop at nothing to spread their evil.
Show me one post where I claim to be American.
So where are you from? You spoke about the average income of Americans and where you and I rank so you implied you were one of us. This is a US Message Board. You slipped and I busted you. Now you’re trying to weasel out of it. So where are you from? Man up, foreigner.
I didn't slip, a I said, there are none American spellings all over my posts. I spoke os "labour" a lot. That's spelt "labour" not the America "labor"
Yes I used American figures to place the percentile of a dollar income, what other figure would I use? That doesn't make me American. Perhaps you're not aware that the situation is the same in many western countries?
Where are you from? I ask again. This is a US Message Board. Not one western country is like the US. Not one!! You’re false. IDC about Leftist Euro nations overrun by Islamists. I care about the US. So where are you from? Why are you so reluctant to tell me?
We're back to "why do you think someone has the god given right to own the fruits of another's labour" you haven't adressed that, you seem to just robotically repeat the mantra your masters have trained into you.
I've addressed that repeatedly. It's not a God given right, it's an agreement between employer and employee. If you're not happy with the money the employer is offering, then don't work for him. It's that simple. If nobody is offering the money you want, then your services are simply not worth the money. Open your own business and pay yourself whatever you like.
If you don't regard it as a god given right, why do you repeatedly claim that such a right exists? By what law do you claim it to be true that owning a company includes owning the fruit of another man's labour?
Incidently I do work for myself, but that has nothing to do with this discussion.
Well there is another clue you have no education or success. I stated something repeatedly, and you don't understand it. So you keep asking the same question over and over.
And despite the conflict in your statement, you repeat the same sound of your master's voice, competely unable to comprehend the difference between your masters voice, your own thoughts and my posts.
There is no conflict in anything I said. It's very simple. If you willingly take a job, your only entitlement is what you were promised to be paid. The product the company (not you) produces is their profit. You don't get that profit simply because you performed one small part of their production.
I can't explain it any simpler than that. To follow up on Defilers question, what country do you live in where industry shares their profits with their workers?
There is no 90% failure. Where do you come up with that? If you are middle-class, it's because you chose to be middle-class like I did. Society didn't make me middle-class, society didn't restrict my income, society didn't restrict me from investing and taking huge risks. That's all on me.
Could I have done much better? Sure I could have. I could have leased my own truck and started my own trucking business. I could have given up the technology I use all the time; mostly for entertainment. I could have rejected eating out. There are a lot of things I could have done, but I chose not to.
I made investments with the money I had left over from living the lifestyle I have. I never got married and had children because I didn't want the expense. I don't like getting into things I can't back out of.
Do you believe it's possible for every person to be well off? Well of as in earning in the six figure bracket?
And every person, not as in every individual, but every adult individual currently living in the states to all be earning a 6 figure sum all at the same time.
Do you believe that's possible?
No more than I think everybody can be a star quarterback, singer or song writer, actor or actress.
You were born in a country where you have the constitutional right to pursue happiness. Nowhere in the document does it guarantee happiness. I'll never be a billionaire either, but that doesn't mean there is something wrong with our financial system or that billionaires owe me anything.
I ll Never play for the Celtics. The foreigner has yet to tell me how much of my hard earned money someone else is entitled to and why.
I should have suspected he was a foreigner, but I didn't want to insult him about his writing.
Yeah and he is busted. He is just jealous that he is not an American. Booo hooo and notice how he is embarrassed to state where he is from.
His posts claim he is American. I discovered another damn fraud. Foreign Leftists stop at nothing to spread their evil.
Show me one post where I claim to be American.
So where are you from? You spoke about the average income of Americans and where you and I rank so you implied you were one of us. This is a US Message Board. You slipped and I busted you. Now you’re trying to weasel out of it. So where are you from? Man up, foreigner.
I didn't slip, a I said, there are none American spellings all over my posts. I spoke os "labour" a lot. That's spelt "labour" not the America "labor"
Yes I used American figures to place the percentile of a dollar income, what other figure would I use? That doesn't make me American. Perhaps you're not aware that the situation is the same in many western countries?
Where are you from? I ask again. This is a US Message Board. Not one western country is like the US. Not one!! You’re false. IDC about Leftist Euro nations overrun by Islamists. I care about the US. So where are you from? Why are you so reluctant to tell me?
Because you're being beligerent. If you had the sense you were born with, you'd have worked it out given I not made any attempt to hide it, it simply didn't seem relivant.
If you're that interested, feel free to follow me around the board, I'm pretty sure I've mentioned it somewhere.
Do you believe it's possible for every person to be well off? Well of as in earning in the six figure bracket?
And every person, not as in every individual, but every adult individual currently living in the states to all be earning a 6 figure sum all at the same time.
Do you believe that's possible?
No more than I think everybody can be a star quarterback, singer or song writer, actor or actress.
You were born in a country where you have the constitutional right to pursue happiness. Nowhere in the document does it guarantee happiness. I'll never be a billionaire either, but that doesn't mean there is something wrong with our financial system or that billionaires owe me anything.
I ll Never play for the Celtics. The foreigner has yet to tell me how much of my hard earned money someone else is entitled to and why.
I should have suspected he was a foreigner, but I didn't want to insult him about his writing.
Yeah and he is busted. He is just jealous that he is not an American. Booo hooo and notice how he is embarrassed to state where he is from.
If he won't tell us, it has to be some country that has very liberal thinking; perhaps Europe somewhere.
We're back to "why do you think someone has the god given right to own the fruits of another's labour" you haven't adressed that, you seem to just robotically repeat the mantra your masters have trained into you.
I've addressed that repeatedly. It's not a God given right, it's an agreement between employer and employee. If you're not happy with the money the employer is offering, then don't work for him. It's that simple. If nobody is offering the money you want, then your services are simply not worth the money. Open your own business and pay yourself whatever you like.
If you don't regard it as a god given right, why do you repeatedly claim that such a right exists? By what law do you claim it to be true that owning a company includes owning the fruit of another man's labour?
Incidently I do work for myself, but that has nothing to do with this discussion.
Well there is another clue you have no education or success. I stated something repeatedly, and you don't understand it. So you keep asking the same question over and over.
And despite the conflict in your statement, you repeat the same sound of your master's voice, competely unable to comprehend the difference between your masters voice, your own thoughts and my posts.
There is no conflict in anything I said. It's very simple. If you willingly take a job, your only entitlement is what you were promised to be paid. The product the company (not you) produces is their profit. You don't get that profit simply because you performed one small part of their production.
I can't explain it any simpler than that. To follow up on Defilers question, what country do you live in where industry shares their profits with their workers?
Do you believe it's possible for every person to be well off? Well of as in earning in the six figure bracket?
And every person, not as in every individual, but every adult individual currently living in the states to all be earning a 6 figure sum all at the same time.
Do you believe that's possible?
No more than I think everybody can be a star quarterback, singer or song writer, actor or actress.
You were born in a country where you have the constitutional right to pursue happiness. Nowhere in the document does it guarantee happiness. I'll never be a billionaire either, but that doesn't mean there is something wrong with our financial system or that billionaires owe me anything.
I ll Never play for the Celtics. The foreigner has yet to tell me how much of my hard earned money someone else is entitled to and why.
In your parochial little mind do you believe "foreigners" measure percentages differently form Americans?
You’re moving the goal posts. Why do you care about the US economy when you’re not one of us? So where are you from? Still waiting.... comrade.
I'm not moving the goal posts, you're just deflecting because you can come up with no logical argument to refute what I've said, so you come up with "feels".
The American system is the same as the system in most Western countries. Every point I've made is equaly true for most western countries, including my own.
I've addressed that repeatedly. It's not a God given right, it's an agreement between employer and employee. If you're not happy with the money the employer is offering, then don't work for him. It's that simple. If nobody is offering the money you want, then your services are simply not worth the money. Open your own business and pay yourself whatever you like.
If you don't regard it as a god given right, why do you repeatedly claim that such a right exists? By what law do you claim it to be true that owning a company includes owning the fruit of another man's labour?
Incidently I do work for myself, but that has nothing to do with this discussion.
Well there is another clue you have no education or success. I stated something repeatedly, and you don't understand it. So you keep asking the same question over and over.
And despite the conflict in your statement, you repeat the same sound of your master's voice, competely unable to comprehend the difference between your masters voice, your own thoughts and my posts.
There is no conflict in anything I said. It's very simple. If you willingly take a job, your only entitlement is what you were promised to be paid. The product the company (not you) produces is their profit. You don't get that profit simply because you performed one small part of their production.
I can't explain it any simpler than that. To follow up on Defilers question, what country do you live in where industry shares their profits with their workers?
You're being disingenuous, do you honestly think anyone accepts a low wage, or to hand over the majority of the profit from their labour because they have a real choice? What would happen if they refused?
Do you believe it's possible for every person to be well off? Well of as in earning in the six figure bracket?
And every person, not as in every individual, but every adult individual currently living in the states to all be earning a 6 figure sum all at the same time.
Do you believe that's possible?
No more than I think everybody can be a star quarterback, singer or song writer, actor or actress.
You were born in a country where you have the constitutional right to pursue happiness. Nowhere in the document does it guarantee happiness. I'll never be a billionaire either, but that doesn't mean there is something wrong with our financial system or that billionaires owe me anything.
I ll Never play for the Celtics. The foreigner has yet to tell me how much of my hard earned money someone else is entitled to and why.
I should have suspected he was a foreigner, but I didn't want to insult him about his writing.
Yeah and he is busted. He is just jealous that he is not an American. Booo hooo and notice how he is embarrassed to state where he is from.
If he won't tell us, it has to be some country that has very liberal thinking; perhaps Europe somewhere.
I've addressed that repeatedly. It's not a God given right, it's an agreement between employer and employee. If you're not happy with the money the employer is offering, then don't work for him. It's that simple. If nobody is offering the money you want, then your services are simply not worth the money. Open your own business and pay yourself whatever you like.
If you don't regard it as a god given right, why do you repeatedly claim that such a right exists? By what law do you claim it to be true that owning a company includes owning the fruit of another man's labour?
Incidently I do work for myself, but that has nothing to do with this discussion.
Well there is another clue you have no education or success. I stated something repeatedly, and you don't understand it. So you keep asking the same question over and over.
And despite the conflict in your statement, you repeat the same sound of your master's voice, competely unable to comprehend the difference between your masters voice, your own thoughts and my posts.
There is no conflict in anything I said. It's very simple. If you willingly take a job, your only entitlement is what you were promised to be paid. The product the company (not you) produces is their profit. You don't get that profit simply because you performed one small part of their production.
I can't explain it any simpler than that. To follow up on Defilers question, what country do you live in where industry shares their profits with their workers?
He has been Defiled!!! Bang! His country likely spends next to nothing on defense and relies on the US for that aspect and he then criticizes the US. And he did insinuate that he was American.
No more than I think everybody can be a star quarterback, singer or song writer, actor or actress.
You were born in a country where you have the constitutional right to pursue happiness. Nowhere in the document does it guarantee happiness. I'll never be a billionaire either, but that doesn't mean there is something wrong with our financial system or that billionaires owe me anything.
I ll Never play for the Celtics. The foreigner has yet to tell me how much of my hard earned money someone else is entitled to and why.
I should have suspected he was a foreigner, but I didn't want to insult him about his writing.
Yeah and he is busted. He is just jealous that he is not an American. Booo hooo and notice how he is embarrassed to state where he is from.
If he won't tell us, it has to be some country that has very liberal thinking; perhaps Europe somewhere.
Oh I'm sure it'll come up at some point, in fact I'm pretty certain I've already said it somewhere on the board. I don't feel like repeating now it because the Defiler's being a biligerent ass.
If you don't regard it as a god given right, why do you repeatedly claim that such a right exists? By what law do you claim it to be true that owning a company includes owning the fruit of another man's labour?
Incidently I do work for myself, but that has nothing to do with this discussion.
Well there is another clue you have no education or success. I stated something repeatedly, and you don't understand it. So you keep asking the same question over and over.
And despite the conflict in your statement, you repeat the same sound of your master's voice, competely unable to comprehend the difference between your masters voice, your own thoughts and my posts.
There is no conflict in anything I said. It's very simple. If you willingly take a job, your only entitlement is what you were promised to be paid. The product the company (not you) produces is their profit. You don't get that profit simply because you performed one small part of their production.
I can't explain it any simpler than that. To follow up on Defilers question, what country do you live in where industry shares their profits with their workers?
You're being disingenuous, do you honestly think anyone accepts a low wage, or to hand over the majority of the profit from their labour because they have a real choice? What would happen if they refused?
If they don't have a choice, then it was never their profit in the first place.
If they refuse to work, then they get fired. They go to the next job with the same standards. Workers don't "give" company profits to the company. The company created the profits so the worker never sees it.
No more than I think everybody can be a star quarterback, singer or song writer, actor or actress.
You were born in a country where you have the constitutional right to pursue happiness. Nowhere in the document does it guarantee happiness. I'll never be a billionaire either, but that doesn't mean there is something wrong with our financial system or that billionaires owe me anything.
I ll Never play for the Celtics. The foreigner has yet to tell me how much of my hard earned money someone else is entitled to and why.
I should have suspected he was a foreigner, but I didn't want to insult him about his writing.
Yeah and he is busted. He is just jealous that he is not an American. Booo hooo and notice how he is embarrassed to state where he is from.
If he won't tell us, it has to be some country that has very liberal thinking; perhaps Europe somewhere.
He is either a Canuck or a Brit. IMO. Either way good night, Ray. Unlike this parasite, I need to go to work tomorrow.
I ll Never play for the Celtics. The foreigner has yet to tell me how much of my hard earned money someone else is entitled to and why.
I should have suspected he was a foreigner, but I didn't want to insult him about his writing.
Yeah and he is busted. He is just jealous that he is not an American. Booo hooo and notice how he is embarrassed to state where he is from.
If he won't tell us, it has to be some country that has very liberal thinking; perhaps Europe somewhere.
Oh I'm sure it'll come up at some point, in fact I'm pretty certain I've already said it somewhere on the board. I don't feel like repeating now it because the Defiler's being a biligerent ass.
Well Defiler and I don't recall it, so perhaps it's your memory that's failing. Trust me, if you told us you were not an American, that would have stood out like a sore thumb.
Well there is another clue you have no education or success. I stated something repeatedly, and you don't understand it. So you keep asking the same question over and over.
And despite the conflict in your statement, you repeat the same sound of your master's voice, competely unable to comprehend the difference between your masters voice, your own thoughts and my posts.
There is no conflict in anything I said. It's very simple. If you willingly take a job, your only entitlement is what you were promised to be paid. The product the company (not you) produces is their profit. You don't get that profit simply because you performed one small part of their production.
I can't explain it any simpler than that. To follow up on Defilers question, what country do you live in where industry shares their profits with their workers?
You're being disingenuous, do you honestly think anyone accepts a low wage, or to hand over the majority of the profit from their labour because they have a real choice? What would happen if they refused?
If they don't have a choice, then it was never their profit in the first place.
If they refuse to work, then they get fired. They go to the next job with the same standards. Workers don't "give" company profits to the company. The company created the profits so the worker never sees it.
Precisely, the choice is an illusion which is why I keep declaring your point invalid.
You keep saying the "company" created the profit, but the company only exists on paper, it cannot create a profit of it's own violation. The employees create the profit, the law declares they can't keep a fair share of it. I.e. man made law. I.e. the laws made by the wealthy, who get wealthy from the labour of their employees.
I ll Never play for the Celtics. The foreigner has yet to tell me how much of my hard earned money someone else is entitled to and why.
I should have suspected he was a foreigner, but I didn't want to insult him about his writing.
Yeah and he is busted. He is just jealous that he is not an American. Booo hooo and notice how he is embarrassed to state where he is from.
If he won't tell us, it has to be some country that has very liberal thinking; perhaps Europe somewhere.
He is either a Canuck or a Brit. IMO. Either way good night, Ray. Unlike this parasite, I need to go to work tomorrow.
I'm right behind you. But before I go, I have to admit he gave hints he was not an American. When discussing currency, he was using European standards (E XXX) instead of dollars. He's from Europe somewhere.
And despite the conflict in your statement, you repeat the same sound of your master's voice, competely unable to comprehend the difference between your masters voice, your own thoughts and my posts.
There is no conflict in anything I said. It's very simple. If you willingly take a job, your only entitlement is what you were promised to be paid. The product the company (not you) produces is their profit. You don't get that profit simply because you performed one small part of their production.
I can't explain it any simpler than that. To follow up on Defilers question, what country do you live in where industry shares their profits with their workers?
You're being disingenuous, do you honestly think anyone accepts a low wage, or to hand over the majority of the profit from their labour because they have a real choice? What would happen if they refused?
If they don't have a choice, then it was never their profit in the first place.
If they refuse to work, then they get fired. They go to the next job with the same standards. Workers don't "give" company profits to the company. The company created the profits so the worker never sees it.
Precisely, the choice is an illusion which is why I keep declaring your point invalid.
You keep saying the "company" created the profit, but the company only exists on paper, it cannot create a profit of it's own violation. The employees create the profit, the law declares they can't keep a fair share of it. I.e. man made law. I.e. the laws made by the wealthy, who get wealthy from the labour of their employees.
No, employees only create a process of a product, not the product itself in most cases. The employees do not market the product. The employees do not advertise the product. The employees do not hire sales people to sell the product. The employees did not invent the product nor have a patten on it.
The company does all these things.
