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[AzogtheDefiler]

Well Defiler and I don't recall it, so perhaps it's your memory that's failing. Trust me, if you told us you were not an American, that would have stood out like a sore thumb.

Elsewhere on the board, where it was relevant to what ever I posted. It hasn't been relevant on this thread. At least I didn't think it was. We work/live with the same system, so the faults or merits are the same.

EDIT: I haven't said "I'm not American" I simply referenced my home as it was relevant.

As I said Defilers being an ass, if he want's to find enough, it he can search the board.

Thinking back to your earlier posts, I know you're not an American. So I support Defiler's wise observation.

I have no idea what other topics you participated in, so I don't know where you're from either. Why so coy about it?

Wherever you are from, you do not live under the same system as we do. You might think you do, but you don't.

I've acknowledged I'm not American. If I were pretending otherwise, I'd have consistantly used AMerican spellings. Defilers all excited over nothing. He's discovered somthing that wasn't hidden, it just isn't relevant. Absolutely I live under the same sytem as you do. What's scary is I hear people from all over the globe are saying exaclty the same things both you and I are saying about their own countrie. Yes, despite the fact we disagree, the same opposing views appear in toher countries, because so many of us are living under the same system where the minority are living of the labour of the majority.

I know you don't view it in that way, but when 90% of Americans only earn an average of 36k, that's the situation, no matter what explaination you put forward for it.

Most of the financial information I look at is global, when I look at individual countries, the difference is marginal and in terms of culture, not finance.

Here’s how much the average American earns at every age

We have 50 states. Earning $50k in Alabama is not terrible as the cost of living is cheaper. Your 90% includes seniors, students and those just starting their careers. Average wage in NYC is way higher. You use fuzzy math for your socialist logic.

average wage in nyc 2018 - Google Search

How is it fuzzy maths? I didn't create those figures. None of what you're saying makes any sense.

Because you cannot compare what a farmer in Iowa makes to what a stockbroker in NYC makes. What your graph should show is do people who earn less save more. If I make $50k but my rent is $300/month am I better off than someone who makes $200k but their rent is $5k per month? You took one line item and decided to place your whole thesis behind it. That is pure insanity.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Only a few posts up you stated I was part of the top 7%.

It's easy to determine success here by how people talk and feel. If you were successful, you wouldn't believe the things you do; no financial successful person does.

In the top 7% income earners. That's a factual statement based on the report I posted. I has nothing to do with what I believe.

It depends what you mean as successful. If being in the top 5% earners means successful in your eyes, I'm successful. Regardless of that, yes I think the way I do. I'm not sure why you think my level of success, however you define that, should impact the facts I observe. Facts are facts regardless of one's relative position to them.

Like another poster I was surprised to find my income puts me in the top 5% earners bracket. In my case I was also disgusted that earning so little put me in that bracket. My work includes producing and analysing stats, so I read stats and their meanings accordingly. I know that my being in the top 5% at my level of earning, means there are large numbers who don't earn enough to feed themselves properly and put a decent roof over their head.

I'd love just one person to challenge the facts I've put forward, rather than their "feels".

Are you referring to the homeless?

I'm referring to the information I've posted.

The vast majority of Americans have a roof over their heads.
Unless you're talking about California.

What? Perhaps you've picked up the wrong quote, I haven't been discussing roofs over heads.

Ah! I see where you got that from. I'll rephrase. I haven't been discussing homelessness.

Your words.....
"large numbers who don't earn enough to feed themselves properly and put a decent roof over their head."

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

No, employees only create a process of a product, not the product itself in most cases. The employees do not market the product. The employees do not advertise the product. The employees do not hire sales people to sell the product. The employees did not invent the product nor have a patten on it.

The company does all these things.

You acknowleged (I think it was you) that companies employ people in order to make profits. Now you're saying they don't make profits. Are your now claiming they're employed out of charity?

Oh, and PEOPLE do all those things, they're called employees.

That's exactly what I said. Companies employ people SO THE COMPANY CAN MAKE A PROFIT. The employees simply do the work of the company.

So if all the people left, what would happen to the profit?

The same thing if the company closed down. What would happen to all those workers?

So you avoid answering the question.

If you acutally believed what you've been saying you wouldn't be so afraid of looking at the facts.

You contend employees don't make a profit, but can't give any other reason for them to be employed.

You must have a mental block or something. The employees are hired by the employer to do work. Not create profit. Profit creation is done by the company, not the employees.

There is more to creating profit than just drilling holes in metal plates. Profit comes from investment which the employee doesn't do. Profit comes from sales which the shop employee doesn't do. Profit comes from making deals with bulk material companies which the employee doesn't do. Profit comes from getting reasonably priced transportation of incoming material and outgoing product which the employee doesn't do. The employee simply drills holes into metal plates without a care in the world.

In other words there is so much more into making profit than doing the grunt work. The grunt work is a very small piece of profit making.

 

[Beyond]

In the top 7% income earners. That's a factual statement based on the report I posted. I has nothing to do with what I believe.

It depends what you mean as successful. If being in the top 5% earners means successful in your eyes, I'm successful. Regardless of that, yes I think the way I do. I'm not sure why you think my level of success, however you define that, should impact the facts I observe. Facts are facts regardless of one's relative position to them.

Like another poster I was surprised to find my income puts me in the top 5% earners bracket. In my case I was also disgusted that earning so little put me in that bracket. My work includes producing and analysing stats, so I read stats and their meanings accordingly. I know that my being in the top 5% at my level of earning, means there are large numbers who don't earn enough to feed themselves properly and put a decent roof over their head.

I'd love just one person to challenge the facts I've put forward, rather than their "feels".

Are you referring to the homeless?

I'm referring to the information I've posted.

The vast majority of Americans have a roof over their heads.
Unless you're talking about California.

What? Perhaps you've picked up the wrong quote, I haven't been discussing roofs over heads.

Ah! I see where you got that from. I'll rephrase. I haven't been discussing homelessness.

Your words.....
"large numbers who don't earn enough to feed themselves properly and put a decent roof over their head."

See the word "decent"? It is a relevant part of the subject. Had I meant "no roof" thatt's what I'd have posted..

 

[Beyond]

You acknowleged (I think it was you) that companies employ people in order to make profits. Now you're saying they don't make profits. Are your now claiming they're employed out of charity?

Oh, and PEOPLE do all those things, they're called employees.

That's exactly what I said. Companies employ people SO THE COMPANY CAN MAKE A PROFIT. The employees simply do the work of the company.

So if all the people left, what would happen to the profit?

The same thing if the company closed down. What would happen to all those workers?

So you avoid answering the question.

If you acutally believed what you've been saying you wouldn't be so afraid of looking at the facts.

You contend employees don't make a profit, but can't give any other reason for them to be employed.

You must have a mental block or something. The employees are hired by the employer to do work. Not create profit. Profit creation is done by the company, not the employees.

There is more to creating profit than just drilling holes in metal plates. Profit comes from investment which the employee doesn't do. Profit comes from sales which the shop employee doesn't do. Profit comes from making deals with bulk material companies which the employee doesn't do. Profit comes from getting reasonably priced transportation of incoming material and outgoing product which the employee doesn't do. The employee simply drills holes into metal plates without a care in the world.

In other words there is so much more into making profit than doing the grunt work. The grunt work is a very small piece of profit making.

Here's my suggestion. Set up a company, then sit back and see how much profit it makes without any employees. When you've tried that little experiment, you may be worth enaging with. As it is you're not, given you seem unable to actualy look at facts and choose to lean on semantics to nurture your false claims.

Have a nice day.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

That's exactly what I said. Companies employ people SO THE COMPANY CAN MAKE A PROFIT. The employees simply do the work of the company.

So if all the people left, what would happen to the profit?

The same thing if the company closed down. What would happen to all those workers?

So you avoid answering the question.

If you acutally believed what you've been saying you wouldn't be so afraid of looking at the facts.

You contend employees don't make a profit, but can't give any other reason for them to be employed.

You must have a mental block or something. The employees are hired by the employer to do work. Not create profit. Profit creation is done by the company, not the employees.

There is more to creating profit than just drilling holes in metal plates. Profit comes from investment which the employee doesn't do. Profit comes from sales which the shop employee doesn't do. Profit comes from making deals with bulk material companies which the employee doesn't do. Profit comes from getting reasonably priced transportation of incoming material and outgoing product which the employee doesn't do. The employee simply drills holes into metal plates without a care in the world.

In other words there is so much more into making profit than doing the grunt work. The grunt work is a very small piece of profit making.

Here's my suggestion. Set up a company, then sit back and see how much profit it makes without any employees. When you've tried that little experiment, you may be worth enaging with. As it is you're not, given you seem unable to actualy look at facts and choose to lean on semantics to nurture your false claims.

Have a nice day.

I never said the company would run without them, I said they didn't deserve an equal part of the profit for doing the work. Their profit comes in form of hourly wage.

And you have a nice day too.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Are you referring to the homeless?

I'm referring to the information I've posted.

The vast majority of Americans have a roof over their heads.
Unless you're talking about California.

What? Perhaps you've picked up the wrong quote, I haven't been discussing roofs over heads.

Ah! I see where you got that from. I'll rephrase. I haven't been discussing homelessness.

Your words.....
"large numbers who don't earn enough to feed themselves properly and put a decent roof over their head."

See the word "decent"? It is a relevant part of the subject. Had I meant "no roof" thatt's what I'd have posted..

What do you consider decent?
In the lib left California a tent appears to be good enough.
Gee...wonder how that ended up happening?
Your ideology is only leads to poverty and despair....own it.