Freedom Caucus says "fuck Trumpcare"

[JakeStarkey]

This is great news for the American people. (1) the FC continues to weaken Comrade's presidency; (2) the GOP now recognizes its failure or success on national health care is going to have great impact on next year's elections.

House Freedom Caucus chairman says “no deal” reached on health bill after meeting with Trump, putting vote in doubt

 

[JakeStarkey]

White House presented Freedom Caucus with 'final offer' on Obamacare replacement

 

[miketx]

Is that Russian freedom Caucus?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Stock Market will react today to all the discussions on Trumpcare.

If the bill passes today before close of market, a short term rally will happen.

If the bill is defeated today before close of market or even after it, a major sell off will occur tomorrow.

Otherwise if nothing happens today before market close, investors will probably stand pat tomorrow.

 

[TheOldSchool]

I don't even know why Ryan and Dump are engaging in these shenanigans since Trumpcare will never pass the Senate.

Just repeal the ACA, replace it with nothing, and take your massive thumping in 2018 and 2020. If you believe it will help the country, you should have the balls to do it instead of playing political games.

 

[Boss]

Can someone please explain the logic here? Republicans ran on repealing Obamacare. Sure, the idea of replacing it with sensible free market reforms was also discussed but the Ryan bill isn't anything more than a fluffing of Obamacare.

Now... IF this were being done to garner bipartisan support from Democrats, I could maybe understand it.... but not a single Democrat is going to support this. So what was the point in trying to tiptoe around and appeal to the left with a replacement?

Why can't Republicans simply repeal it like they voted to do in 2015? If we're going to have a replacement, where are all the elements Trump promised? Ryan claims we're getting 85% of what we want... No we're not, and we're not that stupid. I don't think we're getting 5% of what we wanted.

Do these people not realize that if they fail to do what they were elected to do, we're going to send them home? This is just absolutely ridiculous. We've not protested against this mess for all these years only to see it pissed away like this.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Can someone please explain the logic here? Republicans ran on repealing Obamacare. Sure, the idea of replacing it with sensible free market reforms was also discussed but the Ryan bill isn't anything more than a fluffing of Obamacare.

Now... IF this were being done to garner bipartisan support from Democrats, I could maybe understand it.... but not a single Democrat is going to support this. So what was the point in trying to tiptoe around and appeal to the left with a replacement?

Why can't Republicans simply repeal it like they voted to do in 2015? If we're going to have a replacement, where are all the elements Trump promised? Ryan claims we're getting 85% of what we want... No we're not, and we're not that stupid. I don't think we're getting 5% of what we wanted.

Do these people not realize that if they fail to do what they were elected to do, we're going to send them home? This is just absolutely ridiculous. We've not protested against this mess for all these years only to see it pissed away like this.

Boss, no matter how it comes out, the new trumpcare is going to look like the old obamacare.

You who want a complete repeal and no replacement are not going to get what you want.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Can someone please explain the logic here? Republicans ran on repealing Obamacare. Sure, the idea of replacing it with sensible free market reforms was also discussed but the Ryan bill isn't anything more than a fluffing of Obamacare.

Now... IF this were being done to garner bipartisan support from Democrats, I could maybe understand it.... but not a single Democrat is going to support this. So what was the point in trying to tiptoe around and appeal to the left with a replacement?

Why can't Republicans simply repeal it like they voted to do in 2015? If we're going to have a replacement, where are all the elements Trump promised? Ryan claims we're getting 85% of what we want... No we're not, and we're not that stupid. I don't think we're getting 5% of what we wanted.

Do these people not realize that if they fail to do what they were elected to do, we're going to send them home? This is just absolutely ridiculous. We've not protested against this mess for all these years only to see it pissed away like this.

There is no free market solution.

 

[TheOldSchool]

Can someone please explain the logic here? Republicans ran on repealing Obamacare. Sure, the idea of replacing it with sensible free market reforms was also discussed but the Ryan bill isn't anything more than a fluffing of Obamacare.

Now... IF this were being done to garner bipartisan support from Democrats, I could maybe understand it.... but not a single Democrat is going to support this. So what was the point in trying to tiptoe around and appeal to the left with a replacement?

Why can't Republicans simply repeal it like they voted to do in 2015? If we're going to have a replacement, where are all the elements Trump promised? Ryan claims we're getting 85% of what we want... No we're not, and we're not that stupid. I don't think we're getting 5% of what we wanted.

Do these people not realize that if they fail to do what they were elected to do, we're going to send them home? This is just absolutely ridiculous. We've not protested against this mess for all these years only to see it pissed away like this.

They're trying to replace it instead of just repeal because they know they'll be facing a massacre in 2018 and 2020, and they don't have the balls to put country before party.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Too bad we didn't have a president who was a good negotiator, you know,

someone who might be an expert at the art of the deal...

 

[Boss]

There is no free market solution.

Oh, for YOUR side there's no solution but socialized medicine. It's been like that for 100 years.

 

[Boss]

They're trying to replace it instead of just repeal because they know they'll be facing a massacre in 2018 and 2020, and they don't have the balls to put country before party.

The way I see it, the two ways they face a massacre are 1) Not repealing Obamacare at all... and 2) Passing this Ryan/Trump bill. And that seems to be the choices the Establishment are presenting.

 

[JakeStarkey]

There is no free market solution.

Oh, for YOUR side there's no solution but socialized medicine. It's been like that for 100 years.

Yup, that's why ALL of the western industrialized type countries with national health care are trying to copy the American free market system.

 

[brummelben]

There is no free market solution.

Oh, for YOUR side there's no solution but socialized medicine. It's been like that for 100 years.

There is no socialized medicine, the closest we even come is VA insurance

 

[NYcarbineer]

There is no free market solution.

Oh, for YOUR side there's no solution but socialized medicine. It's been like that for 100 years.

Well, you show us how a market solution provides health insurance to people who simply can't afford it.

 

[Boss]

Yup, that's why ALL of the western industrialized type countries with national health care are trying to copy the American free market system.

Well their wealthy sure would like to have our system... would save on travel expenses to the US in order to receive care. Unfortunately, once Socialism kills free market capitalism, there is no turning back.

 

[brummelben]

Yup, that's why ALL of the western industrialized type countries with national health care are trying to copy the American free market system.

Well their wealthy sure would like to have our system... would save on travel expenses to the US in order to receive care. Unfortunately, once Socialism kills free market capitalism, there is no turning back.

They would like to have our doctors, but NEVER our system of delivering health care

 

[Boss]

There is no free market solution.

Oh, for YOUR side there's no solution but socialized medicine. It's been like that for 100 years.

Well, you show us how a market solution provides health insurance to people who simply can't afford it.

We already have a system to provide health care to people who can't afford it.

Market solutions are to provide health care coverage at reasonable cost to those who can afford it.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Yup, that's why ALL of the western industrialized type countries with national health care are trying to copy the American free market system.

Well their wealthy sure would like to have our system... would save on travel expenses to the US in order to receive care. Unfortunately, once Socialism kills free market capitalism, there is no turning back.

Health care is just fine in those countries as you well know. So health care for you is about $$$ and not people, OK.

 

[brummelben]

There is no free market solution.

Oh, for YOUR side there's no solution but socialized medicine. It's been like that for 100 years.

Well, you show us how a market solution provides health insurance to people who simply can't afford it.

We already have a system to provide health care to people who can't afford it.

Market solutions are to provide health care coverage at reasonable cost to those who can afford it.

You get back to us with your answer, Hoss