Gas prices at 3 year high .......THANKS TRUMP!

[Fort Fun Indiana]

And the plan that would result in higher rates was not economic reality, it was the leftist goal to shove green energy down our throats

100% wrong, and it is not only leftists who support cap-and-trade. The reason behind cap-and-trade is not to inflate, artificially, fossil fuel energy prices, but rather to reflect its true costs and to ameliorate its effect on the climate and ecosystem. And yes, the companies would pass the costs to the consumers, which we can choose to spread around, not spread around, or just not do.

yes, it is an economic fact that cap-and-trade, by itself, would drive up prices, initially.

You are confused by Obama's statements, because you forget what it was like when people spoke honestly to us like we were adults who wouldn't wet ourselves at words and facts. JMHO.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Solar energy is completely free when harnessed. It is endlessly abundant.

Yet a device to harness its power will take almost 15 years to pay for itself on my home. A bunch of coated glass, converters and wiring harnesses that will break like every other technology and require regular maintenance costs more than my regular electric bill....yet somehow I'm supposed to be excited.

You want to push this shit on consumers make it financially feasible

 

[del]

no one expects the differently abled to understand.

 

[easyt65]

'Gas prices at 3 year high .......THANKS TRUMP!'

My newspaper was thrown in the shrubs again this morning....THANKS TRUMP!

Bwuhahahaha.....

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Every 3 or 4 years I buy a new gas guzzling truck for work. I have older trucks that also suck the gas for various tasks. Demo truck, hauling truck etc.

There is currently no alternative that can handle the task at hand that is even remotely feasible.

I am not stupid to the fact that these types of devices are too expensive specifically because of the oil industry and the powers that be.
Having said that I live in the real world and have to function within the reality of profitability and functionality not the bubble of liberal pixie dust & fairy tales

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

no one expects the differently abled to understand.

No one expects a board troll to offer anything more than trolling.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Yet a device to harness its power will take almost 15 years to pay for itself on my home

...on which most people take 30- or 25-year mortgages, so that would be an economically sound decision. And where are you getting your numbers? You must already use very little electricity. For most people, it would take less than 15 years.

And, as time passes, solar energy will become cheaper and more efficient. Compare your cell phone now to your cell phone 20 years ago, gramps.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Yet a device to harness its power will take almost 15 years to pay for itself on my home

...on which most people take 30- or 25-year mortgages, so that would be an economically sound decision. And where are you getting your numbers? You must already use very little electricity. For most people, it would take less than 15 years.

And, as time passes, solar energy will become cheaper and more efficient. Compare your cell phone now to your cell phone 20 years ago, gramps.

I got my numbers from an estimate before my last house was built. It has been quite awhile since then.
I remembered when I was little my dad had a hunting lodge in the mountains that was off the grid and he built his own. My HOA prohibited such homemade additions. Hell, I went through a shitstorm when I bought a large boat and parked it at home before a slip became available

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Anyhow I have an early meeting in the morning so I'm outa here and not ignoring or hiding from the discussion.

Later

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Yet a device to harness its power will take almost 15 years to pay for itself on my home

...on which most people take 30- or 25-year mortgages, so that would be an economically sound decision. And where are you getting your numbers? You must already use very little electricity. For most people, it would take less than 15 years.

And, as time passes, solar energy will become cheaper and more efficient. Compare your cell phone now to your cell phone 20 years ago, gramps.

I got my numbers from an estimate before my last house was built. It has been quite awhile since then.
I remembered when I was little my dad had a hunting lodge in the mountains that was off the grid and he built his own. My HOA prohibited such homemade additions. Hell, I went through a shitstorm when I bought a large boat and parked it at home before a slip became available

A lot of it can rely on federal and State tax credits, as well. It seems like a no-brainer to me that we should subsidize this. If the products are too expensive, then subsidize the research and production of the solar energy products.

 

[Synthaholic]

Solar energy is completely free when harnessed. It is endlessly abundant.

Yet a device to harness its power will take almost 15 years to pay for itself on my home. A bunch of coated glass, converters and wiring harnesses that will break like every other technology and require regular maintenance costs more than my regular electric bill....yet somehow I'm supposed to be excited.

You want to push this shit on consumers make it financially feasible

You’re still in 2004. If fuel costs rise it will take less than 15 years. Plus, prices have come way down.

 

[Meister]

Yet a device to harness its power will take almost 15 years to pay for itself on my home

...on which most people take 30- or 25-year mortgages, so that would be an economically sound decision. And where are you getting your numbers? You must already use very little electricity. For most people, it would take less than 15 years.

And, as time passes, solar energy will become cheaper and more efficient. Compare your cell phone now to your cell phone 20 years ago, gramps.

I got my numbers from an estimate before my last house was built. It has been quite awhile since then.
I remembered when I was little my dad had a hunting lodge in the mountains that was off the grid and he built his own. My HOA prohibited such homemade additions. Hell, I went through a shitstorm when I bought a large boat and parked it at home before a slip became available

A lot of it can rely on federal and State tax credits, as well. It seems like a no-brainer to me that we should subsidize this. If the products are too expensive, then subsidize the research and production of the solar energy products.

That is damn funny. Pull money out of your pocket if you want to subsidize this, don't stick your hands into my pocket to help subsidize it. Gubmint already takes enough and throws it away, besides in the liberal utopia to redistribute the wealth in this world we need to import the product as we are doing now. Don't rock the boat of your party.

 

[tyroneweaver]

In case y’all forgot .

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Hey freak
I bet if you ask Hillary to pony up on your gas bill she “might” help ya out
I hear she’s 80 million richer

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Pull money out of your pocket if you want to subsidize this, don't stick your hands into my pocket to help subsidize it.

Hmm, no, sorry, not how it works. If we pass a law to do it, then you are forced to help.

Guess what: we already have.

 

[Meister]

Pull money out of your pocket if you want to subsidize this, don't stick your hands into my pocket to help subsidize it.

Hmm, no, sorry, not how it works. If we pass a law to do it, then you are forced to help.

Guess what: we already have.

Pull money out of your pocket if you want to subsidize this, don't stick your hands into my pocket to help subsidize it.

Hmm, no, sorry, not how it works. If we pass a law to do it, then you are forced to help.

Guess what: we already have.

The law must be working really well then, huh? Typical gubmint outcome......Solyndra type of results. Like I said....Damn funny.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The law must be working really well then, huh?

Not well enough, since we don't put much money into it. Solyndra would have survived, if not for the chinese more heavily subsidizing their solar industry. The same goes for solar companies all over the globe.

Cackle all you want... you clearly didn't know these simple facts of the matter, so you are kind of embarrassing yourself.

futhermore, it's not just about subsidizing production, but also purchases. The is a federal credit, and several States have credits as well.

 

[Billy000]

In case y’all forgot .

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Maybe if Obama hadn't actually admitted that his policies were actually designed to cause energy costs to "necessarily sky-rocket"...we probably wouldn't have jumped on him about it.

Can you provide that quote in full context? Of course either way Obama simply saying something doesn’t make prices go up.

 

[mudwhistle]

In case y’all forgot .

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Maybe if Obama hadn't actually admitted that his policies were actually designed to cause energy costs to "necessarily sky-rocket"...we probably wouldn't have jumped on him about it.

This is, of course, a complete misrepresentation and really a goofy reason to be goofy.. Obama was simply stating an economic fact about cap-and-trade, specifically. Only a liar or a rube would associate any of that with gasoline prices.

If not energy then what do you think gasoline is?
It's well known that Obama used taxes and regulations to raise the costs of cigarettes and liquor.
It's also well known that his policies were designed to jack up the price of energy in general with his war on fossil fuels.
What do you think happens when you do everything you can to discourage energy production?

 

[mudwhistle]

In case y’all forgot .

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Maybe if Obama hadn't actually admitted that his policies were actually designed to cause energy costs to "necessarily sky-rocket"...we probably wouldn't have jumped on him about it.

Can you provide that quote in full context? Of course either way Obama simply saying something doesn’t make prices go up.

Unfortunately he didn't just talk about it.

But feel free to Google the quote.
I'm not doing your homework for you.

 

[Defiant1]

Most gas stations are run by small business owners.
The economy is raging. People have more disposable income in their pockets.
Why shouldn't business owners get a piece of your money?