Gaza army

[Billo_Really]

He can't, he defines himself through his feeble-minded hatreds.

Why do daughters of battered wives marry abusive husbands? Because that's all they know! I always wondered why people chose familiar over harmful?

 

[Phoenall]

It's in their charter. No peace agreements. Treaties are to be used to decieve the Zionist entity in order to be able to rearm.

Israels long term agenda is the end of a Palestine area, so why should any Palestinian consider serious agreements with Israel?

If Israel wanted to really do that it would already have gotten it over with over 40 years ago.

Even the zionuts are not so stupid to think they would get away with genocide, now or 40 years ago!

Yet the islamonazi's are still hell bent on wiping out the Jews and Christians in the M.E. What do you think the world will do when they achive this aim ?

 

[Phoenall]

Bleipriester, Roudy, et al,

As a coherent political policy concerning Palestine (the 1988 State of), Israel does not have a real firm future objective.

While the various political parties have their individual agendas, and positions, a collectively Israeli Foreign Policy really has not been formulated.

It's in their charter. No peace agreements. Treaties are to be used to decieve the Zionist entity in order to be able to rearm.

Israels long term agenda is the end of a Palestine area, so why should any Palestinian consider serious agreements with Israel?

(COMMENT)

The Israelis agree on the need to survive the long standing Arab Palestinian objective to evict the Jewish State. But much beyond that, the Israelis still are debating the future of their state and how it will develop regional relations.

The Arab Palestinians have formulated a long-term foreign policy based on the re-acquisition of the territory they believe is "their territory" as outlined by the Palestine Order in Council; within the boundaries determined by the Principal Allied Powers on the surrender of the Ottoman Empire. This has not changed substantially since 1948. And this is the contention the Israelis are still dealing with today.

As of yet, there is no reasonable expectation that any agreement made today with the Arab Palestinian will be honored for any length of time. The past history and behaviors of the Arab Palestinian has demonstrated that any agreed upon peace will be short term until the Arab Palestinians as mustered enough military might and political support to make another act of aggression to (in their eyes) liberate the territorial boundaries they consider their sovereign right; even though they have nothing that grants them that sovereign right.

Most Respectfully,
R

Palestinians and Israelis have the same rights regarding an own nation. If the two parties are unable to resolve their dispute, we have the UN that is up to act and make sure, the rights of both peoples are considered.

The Palestinians have had it within their power since 1947 to have their own nation and have refused it constantly. In 1948 they decided to go to bed with Jordan and Egypt and destroy the Jews, they failed massively. Then they stayed with Jordan and Egypt until 1967 when Israel defended against attack by Egypt and Jordan and occupied the land. Between 1948 and 1967 there was no mention of a "Palestinian" state at all. Then in 1988 the Palestinians declared independence and took no further action towards self development and self determination, wanting someone else to force Israel into giving them want they want. And that is the Palestinian way to force their demands through a third party while bombing and murdering innocents until something is done. The UN is powerless to do anything and all Israel need do is take the case to the ICC/ICJ and ask them to judge the UN illegal actions in line with current International law. This would lead to the UN folding and the Palestinians subsequently dying through lack of aid.

 

[Phoenall]

Hamas is training 25,000 new fighters in gaza

Their way of planning for peace????

And the Israeli way of planning for peace?

Continued occupation and extension of illegal settlements?

One day, someone will wake up, and see that NEITHER side is right...

When that day comes it will be like banging the heads together of two children arguing against each other!

They will both kick and scream, bleat and cry but there will be acceptance... Then, and only then, will there be peace!

Even though the Israeli's and the Palestinian's agreed to the land being under Israeli sovereignty the UN shows its any Israel side once again. And who will impose the illegal, under International law, solution without causing a massive war in the M.E, and possible nuclear weapons use ?

 

[Roudy]

Even in a "Zionist theocracy" Jews will not go around executing atheists and gays, you shithead. What a dumbass!

God-dammit, say something nice!

He can't, he defines himself through his feeble-minded hatreds.

Yes, as an atheist you focus your hatred towards Jews even though in Muslim societies such as the Palestinians, atheists are hung and executed. Talk about feeble minded.

 

[Phoenall]

Then why is the arab world so afraid that Israel might have a nuclear weapon?

Not just the Arab world...

Why does Israel refuse to sign up to nuclear treaties?

Why does Israel refuse weapons inspectors?

The WHOLE world is waiting for zionist Israel to unleash just ONE nuclear attack... Bye Bye Israel!

And THAT would be a shame! A shame for the moderate Jews who want NOTHING to do with the extremist zionists!

For the same reason the USA and Korea do, because they can.

Once again you use the term Zionist out of context and as a racial insult, not once but twice. And don't bleat that tiy haven't because the evidence is their for all to see.

 

[Phoenall]

Hamas is training 25,000 new fighters in gaza

Their way of planning for peace????

"Si vis pacem, para bellum".

What s shame that the world community continues to provide welfare payments to support Islamic terrorism.

Just think of what America could do with billions they send to Israel.

Pay the welfare money to the unemployed defence workers laid off because Israel is now free to buy weapons on the open market. And any left over could be spent on buying cheap Pakistani medical supplies to supplant those no longer coming from Israel

 

[Phoenall]

If Israel had to fight hand to hand , man to man with like weapons they'd be extinct. The IDF don't seem to be able to run, they just shoot. They let their bullets do the chasing.

Do you mean like they did in 1948/1949 when 10% of the Jews were killed in the war started by arab muslims, then again in 1967 when the arab muslims planned to exterminate the Jews and destroy Israel. Then the Palestinians decided to fight from behind women and children because they are cowards, so Israel just fired from cover as well

 

[Phoenall]

Bleipriester, Roudy, et al,

As a coherent political policy concerning Palestine (the 1988 State of), Israel does not have a real firm future objective.

While the various political parties have their individual agendas, and positions, a collectively Israeli Foreign Policy really has not been formulated.

It's in their charter. No peace agreements. Treaties are to be used to decieve the Zionist entity in order to be able to rearm.

Israels long term agenda is the end of a Palestine area, so why should any Palestinian consider serious agreements with Israel?

(COMMENT)

The Israelis agree on the need to survive the long standing Arab Palestinian objective to evict the Jewish State. But much beyond that, the Israelis still are debating the future of their state and how it will develop regional relations.

The Arab Palestinians have formulated a long-term foreign policy based on the re-acquisition of the territory they believe is "their territory" as outlined by the Palestine Order in Council; within the boundaries determined by the Principal Allied Powers on the surrender of the Ottoman Empire. This has not changed substantially since 1948. And this is the contention the Israelis are still dealing with today.

As of yet, there is no reasonable expectation that any agreement made today with the Arab Palestinian will be honored for any length of time. The past history and behaviors of the Arab Palestinian has demonstrated that any agreed upon peace will be short term until the Arab Palestinians as mustered enough military might and political support to make another act of aggression to (in their eyes) liberate the territorial boundaries they consider their sovereign right; even though they have nothing that grants them that sovereign right.

The Arab Palestinians have made a solemn oath to continue the conflict until they liberate what they consider as Palestine. And until they abdicate that oath, they can be expected to be contained.

Most Respectfully,
R

Even Arafat wasn't negotiating in good faith, which is why the peace deal during Clinton's years fell apart. It hasn't been as much about establishing this mythical Palestine, as much as the desire to destroy the Jewish state. At its heart this conflict is about religious ideology and will remain so.

There is no jewish state.

Says who. As the UN has stated that Israel is the Jewish state in their revised charter, you should read it sometime

 

[Phoenall]

If Israel had to fight hand to hand , man to man with like weapons they'd be extinct. The IDF don't seem to be able to run, they just shoot. They let their bullets do the chasing.

This sounds like a good time to put the bottle of booze away.

If only I drank I would probably careless about you Zionist, but I don't so I have a huge problem with IDF who shoot at kids and teens instead of chasing after them. Just too darn lazy to run I guess, and hell its not a jew life, so who in the hell cares. Yet here in the US a cop is suppose to chase a criminal miles, but not in Israel. Gaza has every right to protect itself from the IDF, but all Isarel needs to do is throw one of their fire bombs over or fly over and drop a few.

How about you give an example of the Palestinians protecting themselves that was not a result of Israel protecting themselves from Palestinian violence and terrorism ?

 

[Phoenall]

Typically pointless, shortstop. Gaza does not have an army, it has a collection of Islamic terrorist syndicates, often hostile to one another.

The continuing Islamist terrorist attacks aimed at Israel are not undertaken by an armed, uniformed force but by Islamic terrorist networks who have every intention of launching attacks from civilian areas where there is relative safety from an aggressive Israeli retaliation. The islami. Terrorists you define as heroes are simply cowards who know full well that Israel will take steps to avoid civilian casualties.

Gazan's are not terrorists, you racist piece of shit.

They are according to other arab muslims, the US, UK and most of Europe

 

[Phoenall]

Hamas and Israel are in a state of war. If Israel is capable of stopping weapon shipments to Gaza, then that's too bad for Hamas.

In fact, Hamas is more than welcome to try and do the same.

I don't recall giving you permission to speak?

Sorry sir, please accept my apologies. May I speak now sir ?

Awake from your coma, angry little short man.

The containment is a necessary response to Islamic terrorism. You and others need to read the Hamas Charter and to make an attempt to understand that Cult Screed.

Hollie the Whore, spewing her racist garbage, like the little troll that she is.

How was her post racist ?

Exactly what I was thinking, one of the boards biggest racists calling others racists.

 

[Billo_Really]

They are according to other arab muslims, the US, UK and most of Europe

1.5 million people are not terrorists.

 

[Roudy]

Afghanis living under the control of the Taliban weren't all terrorists either.

 

[Humanity]

Then why is the arab world so afraid that Israel might have a nuclear weapon?

Not just the Arab world...

Why does Israel refuse to sign up to nuclear treaties?

Why does Israel refuse weapons inspectors?

The WHOLE world is waiting for zionist Israel to unleash just ONE nuclear attack... Bye Bye Israel!

And THAT would be a shame! A shame for the moderate Jews who want NOTHING to do with the extremist zionists!

For the same reason the USA and Korea do, because they can.

Once again you use the term Zionist out of context and as a racial insult, not once but twice. And don't bleat that tiy haven't because the evidence is their for all to see.

How have I used "zionist" out of context?

 

[Billo_Really]

Afghanis living under the control of the Taliban weren't all terrorists either.

People defending their home from foreign invaders, are not terrorists.

 

[Challenger]

Even in a "Zionist theocracy" Jews will not go around executing atheists and gays, you shithead. What a dumbass!

God-dammit, say something nice!

He can't, he defines himself through his feeble-minded hatreds.

Yes, as an atheist you focus your hatred towards Jews even though in Muslim societies such as the Palestinians, atheists are hung and executed. Talk about feeble minded.

Humanist; there's a difference. Point out to me please, where any of my posts have demonstrated hatred towards Jewish people as opposed to Zionists and Zionism (which I freely admit, I detest because of what they do rather than who they are); for that matter please provide a link to Palestinians executing atheists for their beliefs (or lack thereof).

 

[RoccoR]

Humanity, aris2chat, et al,

(A BIT OFF-TOPIC)

A treaty, even the Nuclear Proliferation Treaty (NPT) is a "voluntary" agreement (a formally concluded and ratified agreement between countries). It is not compulsory and it is not concluded as a matter of coercion. Just as the NPT say, in its text, each state enters into the agreement "exercising its national sovereignty has the right to withdraw from the Treaty if it decides that extraordinary events, related to the subject matter of this Treaty, have jeopardized the supreme interests of its country." It is not mandatory for a country, which is proven to be surrounded by other nations which have demonstrated (on more than one occasion) to be directly hostile to it, to sign into the agreement when the agreement would jeopardize the defense of the nation.

An no nation should be concerned with the status of Israel, relative to the accession and ratification of the treaty, if it follows the protocols pursuant to the Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States. And no nation should be involved in any such action that would impair the inherent right of Israeli sovereignty which would require self defense measures against an armed attack.

Then why is the arab world so afraid that Israel might have a nuclear weapon?

Not just the Arab world...

Why does Israel refuse to sign up to nuclear treaties?

Why does Israel refuse weapons inspectors?

The WHOLE world is waiting for zionist Israel to unleash just ONE nuclear attack... Bye Bye Israel!

And THAT would be a shame! A shame for the moderate Jews who want NOTHING to do with the extremist zionists!

(COMMENT)

The NPT is an agreement on several issues, the three greatest agreements would be the prohibition in the transfer of:

Research and development of a weapon --- and ---
The unauthorized dissemination of critical weapons design information --- and ---
Special Materials:

(a) source or special fissionable material, or
(b) equipment or material especially designed or prepared for the processing, use or production of special fissionable material, to any non-nuclear-weapon State for peaceful purposes.​

There are two different types of parties to the NPT Agreement:

An Article I: Nuclear-weapon State Party (NSP).
An Article II: Non-nuclear-weapon State Party (NNSP).
​

Based on your insinuation (the assumption that Israel has a nuclear weapons capacity) --- what advantage do you expect if Israel should become a signatory to the agreement (under the assumption it would be a NSP)? The agreement would not require Israel to relinquish any of its capacity (if it actually has a nuclear weapons capacity) in any respect. There are 11 Articles to the Treaty. In fact, I wonder just what prohibition aspect of the NPT you think the Israel has violated; even if it were a party (signatory).

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Phoenall]

They are according to other arab muslims, the US, UK and most of Europe

1.5 million people are not terrorists.

Your say so is not worth the paper it is written on. But the UK, EU, US and Saudi words on this matter carry much weight. And they say that hamas and its supporters are terrorists

 

[Phoenall]

Then why is the arab world so afraid that Israel might have a nuclear weapon?

Not just the Arab world...

Why does Israel refuse to sign up to nuclear treaties?

Why does Israel refuse weapons inspectors?

The WHOLE world is waiting for zionist Israel to unleash just ONE nuclear attack... Bye Bye Israel!

And THAT would be a shame! A shame for the moderate Jews who want NOTHING to do with the extremist zionists!

For the same reason the USA and Korea do, because they can.

Once again you use the term Zionist out of context and as a racial insult, not once but twice. And don't bleat that tiy haven't because the evidence is their for all to see.

How have I used "zionist" out of context?

perfect example above when you claim " Zionist Israel " when not all of Israel is Zionist, yet you imply that the arab muslims, Christians and Atheists are all Zionists. It is no different to me claiming that every muslim is a hamas terrorist.