Gaza army

[P F Tinmore]

I dare you to watch this:

This has nothing to do with faith, even. You said that Israel was never Jewish in the past. If Gd spoke to Abraham or gave the Torah at Mount Sinai or split the Reed Sea, is a matter of faith. That is not what I was saying. Numerous archaeological findings, such as inscriptions on tablets by Egyptian, Assyrian and Sumerian kings say, without doubt, that there was a Kingdom of Judah in the past.

There are only 8 archaelogical inscriptions which mention in passing words that could be translated as "Israel"; one of which says that Israel was "exterminated". There is no consensus regarding who or what the word "Israel" refers to; a region, a tribal group, a petty warlord, etc. As for the "Kingdom of Judah" there is no archaeological/historical evidence for it's existance before 800BCE, long after the Sumerians were extinct. If anything there is more evidence that the Kingdom of Judah was created by the Assyrians either as a buffer state with Egypt or to exploit the Olive oil resources of the region.

In any event there is no extra-Biblical evidence of any uniform religious or ethnic groupings in that area at that time.

You totally reject the fact that the temple existed during the roman occupation? That they destroyed the temple? That judaism was the religion of the people in the land?
What of cyrus and the return of the jews and rebuilding of the temple.
There are a number of stele that mention Israel and david written by neighbors to Israel. Merneptah stele is from 1200 bce. Kurkh is 853 bce. Moabite is from 840 bce.

The land has been rebuild, over built and added to many times since the first civilizations. Keep digging down and there might be a wealth of archeological evidence. People are still finding everything from the ottoman to roman occupation. The deeper you go the older you find, much like the city of troy.
If they can find the cities around the dead sea from the time of abraham and lot, they might find more satisfying evidence for the rest of the history timeline as well. One of the problems is much of the ancient evidence is probably under existing building and no one is able to dig under and search of older evidence.

Who else was there at the time?

Well there weren't any Arabs, Muslims,or Palestinians. LOL

What were Native Americans called before it was America?

 

[ForeverYoung436]

This has nothing to do with faith, even. You said that Israel was never Jewish in the past. If Gd spoke to Abraham or gave the Torah at Mount Sinai or split the Reed Sea, is a matter of faith. That is not what I was saying. Numerous archaeological findings, such as inscriptions on tablets by Egyptian, Assyrian and Sumerian kings say, without doubt, that there was a Kingdom of Judah in the past.

There are only 8 archaelogical inscriptions which mention in passing words that could be translated as "Israel"; one of which says that Israel was "exterminated". There is no consensus regarding who or what the word "Israel" refers to; a region, a tribal group, a petty warlord, etc. As for the "Kingdom of Judah" there is no archaeological/historical evidence for it's existance before 800BCE, long after the Sumerians were extinct. If anything there is more evidence that the Kingdom of Judah was created by the Assyrians either as a buffer state with Egypt or to exploit the Olive oil resources of the region.

In any event there is no extra-Biblical evidence of any uniform religious or ethnic groupings in that area at that time.

You totally reject the fact that the temple existed during the roman occupation? That they destroyed the temple? That judaism was the religion of the people in the land?
What of cyrus and the return of the jews and rebuilding of the temple.
There are a number of stele that mention Israel and david written by neighbors to Israel. Merneptah stele is from 1200 bce. Kurkh is 853 bce. Moabite is from 840 bce.

The land has been rebuild, over built and added to many times since the first civilizations. Keep digging down and there might be a wealth of archeological evidence. People are still finding everything from the ottoman to roman occupation. The deeper you go the older you find, much like the city of troy.
If they can find the cities around the dead sea from the time of abraham and lot, they might find more satisfying evidence for the rest of the history timeline as well. One of the problems is much of the ancient evidence is probably under existing building and no one is able to dig under and search of older evidence.

Who else was there at the time?

Well there weren't any Arabs, Muslims,or Palestinians. LOL

What were Native Americans called before it was America?

The OP was about Gaza illegally training new terrorist fighters. Let's get back to that.

 

[Roudy]

This has nothing to do with faith, even. You said that Israel was never Jewish in the past. If Gd spoke to Abraham or gave the Torah at Mount Sinai or split the Reed Sea, is a matter of faith. That is not what I was saying. Numerous archaeological findings, such as inscriptions on tablets by Egyptian, Assyrian and Sumerian kings say, without doubt, that there was a Kingdom of Judah in the past.

There are only 8 archaelogical inscriptions which mention in passing words that could be translated as "Israel"; one of which says that Israel was "exterminated". There is no consensus regarding who or what the word "Israel" refers to; a region, a tribal group, a petty warlord, etc. As for the "Kingdom of Judah" there is no archaeological/historical evidence for it's existance before 800BCE, long after the Sumerians were extinct. If anything there is more evidence that the Kingdom of Judah was created by the Assyrians either as a buffer state with Egypt or to exploit the Olive oil resources of the region.

In any event there is no extra-Biblical evidence of any uniform religious or ethnic groupings in that area at that time.

You totally reject the fact that the temple existed during the roman occupation? That they destroyed the temple? That judaism was the religion of the people in the land?
What of cyrus and the return of the jews and rebuilding of the temple.
There are a number of stele that mention Israel and david written by neighbors to Israel. Merneptah stele is from 1200 bce. Kurkh is 853 bce. Moabite is from 840 bce.

The land has been rebuild, over built and added to many times since the first civilizations. Keep digging down and there might be a wealth of archeological evidence. People are still finding everything from the ottoman to roman occupation. The deeper you go the older you find, much like the city of troy.
If they can find the cities around the dead sea from the time of abraham and lot, they might find more satisfying evidence for the rest of the history timeline as well. One of the problems is much of the ancient evidence is probably under existing building and no one is able to dig under and search of older evidence.

Who else was there at the time?

Well there weren't any Arabs, Muslims,or Palestinians. LOL

What were Native Americans called before it was America?

Natives of the land are the Jews. It has been their holy land and there is archeological evidence of if going back over 3000 years. Everyone else that came after were invaders, especially the more recent Arab Muslims. Even as late as the 1400 years ago, the founder of the terrorist religion of Islam didn't acknowledge the existence of a Palestine and a Palestinian people. But he did confirm the existence of Israel and that it belongs to the Jews. Open your Koran and show me where Mohammad talks about this mythical Palestine.

 

[Roudy]

There are only 8 archaelogical inscriptions which mention in passing words that could be translated as "Israel"; one of which says that Israel was "exterminated". There is no consensus regarding who or what the word "Israel" refers to; a region, a tribal group, a petty warlord, etc. As for the "Kingdom of Judah" there is no archaeological/historical evidence for it's existance before 800BCE, long after the Sumerians were extinct. If anything there is more evidence that the Kingdom of Judah was created by the Assyrians either as a buffer state with Egypt or to exploit the Olive oil resources of the region.

In any event there is no extra-Biblical evidence of any uniform religious or ethnic groupings in that area at that time.

You totally reject the fact that the temple existed during the roman occupation? That they destroyed the temple? That judaism was the religion of the people in the land?
What of cyrus and the return of the jews and rebuilding of the temple.
There are a number of stele that mention Israel and david written by neighbors to Israel. Merneptah stele is from 1200 bce. Kurkh is 853 bce. Moabite is from 840 bce.

The land has been rebuild, over built and added to many times since the first civilizations. Keep digging down and there might be a wealth of archeological evidence. People are still finding everything from the ottoman to roman occupation. The deeper you go the older you find, much like the city of troy.
If they can find the cities around the dead sea from the time of abraham and lot, they might find more satisfying evidence for the rest of the history timeline as well. One of the problems is much of the ancient evidence is probably under existing building and no one is able to dig under and search of older evidence.

Who else was there at the time?

Well there weren't any Arabs, Muslims,or Palestinians. LOL

What were Native Americans called before it was America?

The OP was about Gaza illegally training new terrorist fighters. Let's get back to that.

They like to divert when things aren't going their way. LOL

 

[P F Tinmore]

There are only 8 archaelogical inscriptions which mention in passing words that could be translated as "Israel"; one of which says that Israel was "exterminated". There is no consensus regarding who or what the word "Israel" refers to; a region, a tribal group, a petty warlord, etc. As for the "Kingdom of Judah" there is no archaeological/historical evidence for it's existance before 800BCE, long after the Sumerians were extinct. If anything there is more evidence that the Kingdom of Judah was created by the Assyrians either as a buffer state with Egypt or to exploit the Olive oil resources of the region.

In any event there is no extra-Biblical evidence of any uniform religious or ethnic groupings in that area at that time.

You totally reject the fact that the temple existed during the roman occupation? That they destroyed the temple? That judaism was the religion of the people in the land?
What of cyrus and the return of the jews and rebuilding of the temple.
There are a number of stele that mention Israel and david written by neighbors to Israel. Merneptah stele is from 1200 bce. Kurkh is 853 bce. Moabite is from 840 bce.

The land has been rebuild, over built and added to many times since the first civilizations. Keep digging down and there might be a wealth of archeological evidence. People are still finding everything from the ottoman to roman occupation. The deeper you go the older you find, much like the city of troy.
If they can find the cities around the dead sea from the time of abraham and lot, they might find more satisfying evidence for the rest of the history timeline as well. One of the problems is much of the ancient evidence is probably under existing building and no one is able to dig under and search of older evidence.

Who else was there at the time?

Well there weren't any Arabs, Muslims,or Palestinians. LOL

What were Native Americans called before it was America?

Natives of the land are the Jews. It has been their holy land and there is archeological evidence of if going back over 3000 years. Everyone else that came after were invaders, especially the more recent Arab Muslims. Even as late as the 1400 years ago, the founder of the terrorist religion of Islam didn't acknowledge the existence of a Palestine and a Palestinian people. But he did confirm the existence of Israel and that it belongs to the Jews. Open your Koran and show me where Mohammad talks about this mythical Palestine.

Natives of the land are the Jews.​

Oh really, I heard they immigrated from Egypt.

 

[Roudy]

You totally reject the fact that the temple existed during the roman occupation? That they destroyed the temple? That judaism was the religion of the people in the land?
What of cyrus and the return of the jews and rebuilding of the temple.
There are a number of stele that mention Israel and david written by neighbors to Israel. Merneptah stele is from 1200 bce. Kurkh is 853 bce. Moabite is from 840 bce.

The land has been rebuild, over built and added to many times since the first civilizations. Keep digging down and there might be a wealth of archeological evidence. People are still finding everything from the ottoman to roman occupation. The deeper you go the older you find, much like the city of troy.
If they can find the cities around the dead sea from the time of abraham and lot, they might find more satisfying evidence for the rest of the history timeline as well. One of the problems is much of the ancient evidence is probably under existing building and no one is able to dig under and search of older evidence.

Who else was there at the time?

Well there weren't any Arabs, Muslims,or Palestinians. LOL

What were Native Americans called before it was America?

Natives of the land are the Jews. It has been their holy land and there is archeological evidence of if going back over 3000 years. Everyone else that came after were invaders, especially the more recent Arab Muslims. Even as late as the 1400 years ago, the founder of the terrorist religion of Islam didn't acknowledge the existence of a Palestine and a Palestinian people. But he did confirm the existence of Israel and that it belongs to the Jews. Open your Koran and show me where Mohammad talks about this mythical Palestine.

Natives of the land are the Jews.​

Oh really, I heard they immigrated from Egypt.

What else did you hear? Ha ha ha. Yes, although there is no actual archeological record, the Jews supposedly migrated from Egypt and established their kingdom in a land that they believe was promised to them. Even your prophet Mohammad confirmed this. Ya gotta ask yourself, why didn't Mohammad mention this mythical Palestine and Palestinian people1400 years ago?

 

[Roudy]

...Faith is for the feeble minded.

Remember that, when you're preparing to draw your last conscious breath.

Meanwhile, the vast majority of your fellow human beings disagree with your position in this matter.

We all understand how vastly superior atheists are, with intellects vastly outpacing those of mere mortals who believe in a godhead.

Or, more accurately, we all understand that atheists oftentimes see themselves in such terms.

I dare you to watch this:

I dare you talk like this in a Muslim society.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore,

That is exactly what the "right of self-determination" is all about.

P F Tinmore, et al,

I have never "ducked the question."

I have previously asked you to confirm Israel's right to territorial integrity and you have always ducked the question.

(COMMENT)

The right of "Territorial Integrity" is a product --- that is derived from the "right of self-determination."

You cannot actually have a "territory" to have "integrity" over until you "declare independence;" which you cannot have until you exercise the "right of self-determination." They are all interrelated. In the case of the Israeli's:

• The exercised the "right of self-determination."
• The exercise was by "declaring independence."
• They declared independence over a "territory."
• The now have the right of "territorial integrity."

It is just that simple. There is none of this nonsense you espouse about transfer and title --- some authority or international this or that. It is a very straight-forward process. If the Israelis can maintain the integrity of their territory --- it is theirs.

Most Respectfully,
R

Blah, blah, blah! Who says it is theirs? Can you document it?

(COMMENT)

There is no requirement of "documentation." While there are such things, as in the Peace of Westphalia, after 1806 (the Fall of the Holy Roman Empire and the Political Influence of the Pope), such things are really rewritten in Treaties, if at all. Certainly, the Arab Palestinian has no deed, title, treaty or other political devise that extends to them any sovereignty over any territory; not in the last 1000 years.

Who says it is theirs? They (the Israelis) say it is theirs, just as the French say France is their; just as the Britons say the UK is theirs; just as the Saudi's say Saudi Arabia is theirs; and each defending their right to sovereignty. The Arab Palestinians can say and claim anything they want, but they have to defend their claim; which they haven't in over a 1000 years.

Just as you claim that the "right to self-determination" is a "RIGHT" --- it is a "right for all peoples," not just the whiny Arab Palestinians.

The Jewish State of Israel defends it rights --- that is all that is required.

The question needs to be reversed: Who says the Arab-Palestinians have any territorial rights? Who says it theirs? (And don't claim that the Treaty of Lausanne bequeaths anything to the Arab-Palestinian --- it certainly does not. The citizenship issue has nothing to do with territorial integrity. All that territory was remanded to the Allied Powers.)

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Uncensored2008]

What are you talking about? I live in SoCal.

What Mosque do you attend?

You're not planning anything in the area, are you?

 

[Challenger]

...Faith is for the feeble minded.

Remember that, when you're preparing to draw your last conscious breath.

Meanwhile, the vast majority of your fellow human beings disagree with your position in this matter.

We all understand how vastly superior atheists are, with intellects vastly outpacing those of mere mortals who believe in a godhead.

Or, more accurately, we all understand that atheists oftentimes see themselves in such terms.

I dare you to watch this:

This has nothing to do with faith, even. You said that Israel was never Jewish in the past. If Gd spoke to Abraham or gave the Torah at Mount Sinai or split the Reed Sea, is a matter of faith. That is not what I was saying. Numerous archaeological findings, such as inscriptions on tablets by Egyptian, Assyrian and Sumerian kings say, without doubt, that there was a Kingdom of Judah in the past.

There are only 8 archaelogical inscriptions which mention in passing words that could be translated as "Israel"; one of which says that Israel was "exterminated". There is no consensus regarding who or what the word "Israel" refers to; a region, a tribal group, a petty warlord, etc. As for the "Kingdom of Judah" there is no archaeological/historical evidence for it's existance before 800BCE, long after the Sumerians were extinct. If anything there is more evidence that the Kingdom of Judah was created by the Assyrians either as a buffer state with Egypt or to exploit the Olive oil resources of the region.

In any event there is no extra-Biblical evidence of any uniform religious or ethnic groupings in that area at that time.

You totally reject the fact that the temple existed during the roman occupation? That they destroyed the temple? That judaism was the religion of the people in the land?
What of cyrus and the return of the jews and rebuilding of the temple.
There are a number of stele that mention Israel and david written by neighbors to Israel. Merneptah stele is from 1200 bce. Kurkh is 853 bce. Moabite is from 840 bce.

The land has been rebuild, over built and added to many times since the first civilizations. Keep digging down and there might be a wealth of archeological evidence. People are still finding everything from the ottoman to roman occupation. The deeper you go the older you find, much like the city of troy.
If they can find the cities around the dead sea from the time of abraham and lot, they might find more satisfying evidence for the rest of the history timeline as well. One of the problems is much of the ancient evidence is probably under existing building and no one is able to dig under and search of older evidence.

Let's see, "no", "no", "yes, there is no extra-Biblical evidence that Judaism was the majority or even the only religion practised in the area, in fact there is plenty of Biblical evidence to suggest it wasn't".

Cyrus the Great did a lot of restoring local deities, at least he bragged about it on the Cylinder inscription, so It's quite possible he allowed the elites who wanted to return to the region to rebuild their temple. However there are no extra-biblical contemporary sources that say so. I've already said there are 8 inscriptions that could be interpreted as referencing "Israel" but there is no clear consensus on the matter. As for the Tel Dan inscription, scholars have come round to the idea that "BYTDWD" is not an Assyrian dynastic label, i.e. "House of David" but merely the place name of a minor town which could equally loosely translate as "Praiseville".

I agree there is the possibility that new evidence may well appear, but given this area has been dug up more than any other area of archaeological interest since the Zionist "Ahnenerbe" started in 1948, I think that's now a long shot.

 

[Challenger]

...Faith is for the feeble minded.

Remember that, when you're preparing to draw your last conscious breath.

Meanwhile, the vast majority of your fellow human beings disagree with your position in this matter.

We all understand how vastly superior atheists are, with intellects vastly outpacing those of mere mortals who believe in a godhead.

Or, more accurately, we all understand that atheists oftentimes see themselves in such terms.

I dare you to watch this:

I dare you talk like this in a Muslim society.

Like I said, faith is for the feeble minded.

 

[Challenger]

There are only 8 archaelogical inscriptions which mention in passing words that could be translated as "Israel"; one of which says that Israel was "exterminated". There is no consensus regarding who or what the word "Israel" refers to; a region, a tribal group, a petty warlord, etc. As for the "Kingdom of Judah" there is no archaeological/historical evidence for it's existance before 800BCE, long after the Sumerians were extinct. If anything there is more evidence that the Kingdom of Judah was created by the Assyrians either as a buffer state with Egypt or to exploit the Olive oil resources of the region.

In any event there is no extra-Biblical evidence of any uniform religious or ethnic groupings in that area at that time.

You totally reject the fact that the temple existed during the roman occupation? That they destroyed the temple? That judaism was the religion of the people in the land?
What of cyrus and the return of the jews and rebuilding of the temple.
There are a number of stele that mention Israel and david written by neighbors to Israel. Merneptah stele is from 1200 bce. Kurkh is 853 bce. Moabite is from 840 bce.

The land has been rebuild, over built and added to many times since the first civilizations. Keep digging down and there might be a wealth of archeological evidence. People are still finding everything from the ottoman to roman occupation. The deeper you go the older you find, much like the city of troy.
If they can find the cities around the dead sea from the time of abraham and lot, they might find more satisfying evidence for the rest of the history timeline as well. One of the problems is much of the ancient evidence is probably under existing building and no one is able to dig under and search of older evidence.

Who else was there at the time?

Well there weren't any Arabs, Muslims,or Palestinians. LOL

What were Native Americans called before it was America?

Natives of the land are the Jews. It has been their holy land and there is archeological evidence of if going back over 3000 years. Everyone else that came after were invaders, especially the more recent Arab Muslims. Even as late as the 1400 years ago, the founder of the terrorist religion of Islam didn't acknowledge the existence of a Palestine and a Palestinian people. But he did confirm the existence of Israel and that it belongs to the Jews. Open your Koran and show me where Mohammad talks about this mythical Palestine.

Yet the Bible says the "Jews" were invaders who stole the land from the natives because their god told them to...

 

[Challenger]

There are only 8 archaelogical inscriptions which mention in passing words that could be translated as "Israel"; one of which says that Israel was "exterminated". There is no consensus regarding who or what the word "Israel" refers to; a region, a tribal group, a petty warlord, etc. As for the "Kingdom of Judah" there is no archaeological/historical evidence for it's existance before 800BCE, long after the Sumerians were extinct. If anything there is more evidence that the Kingdom of Judah was created by the Assyrians either as a buffer state with Egypt or to exploit the Olive oil resources of the region.

In any event there is no extra-Biblical evidence of any uniform religious or ethnic groupings in that area at that time.

You totally reject the fact that the temple existed during the roman occupation? That they destroyed the temple? That judaism was the religion of the people in the land?
What of cyrus and the return of the jews and rebuilding of the temple.
There are a number of stele that mention Israel and david written by neighbors to Israel. Merneptah stele is from 1200 bce. Kurkh is 853 bce. Moabite is from 840 bce.

The land has been rebuild, over built and added to many times since the first civilizations. Keep digging down and there might be a wealth of archeological evidence. People are still finding everything from the ottoman to roman occupation. The deeper you go the older you find, much like the city of troy.
If they can find the cities around the dead sea from the time of abraham and lot, they might find more satisfying evidence for the rest of the history timeline as well. One of the problems is much of the ancient evidence is probably under existing building and no one is able to dig under and search of older evidence.

Who else was there at the time?

Well there weren't any Arabs, Muslims,or Palestinians. LOL

What were Native Americans called before it was America?

The OP was about Gaza illegally training new terrorist fighters. Let's get back to that.

Okay. I'll repeat "si vis pacem, para bellum" and who says they are being trained illegally? What does that even mean?

 

[ForeverYoung436]

You totally reject the fact that the temple existed during the roman occupation? That they destroyed the temple? That judaism was the religion of the people in the land?
What of cyrus and the return of the jews and rebuilding of the temple.
There are a number of stele that mention Israel and david written by neighbors to Israel. Merneptah stele is from 1200 bce. Kurkh is 853 bce. Moabite is from 840 bce.

The land has been rebuild, over built and added to many times since the first civilizations. Keep digging down and there might be a wealth of archeological evidence. People are still finding everything from the ottoman to roman occupation. The deeper you go the older you find, much like the city of troy.
If they can find the cities around the dead sea from the time of abraham and lot, they might find more satisfying evidence for the rest of the history timeline as well. One of the problems is much of the ancient evidence is probably under existing building and no one is able to dig under and search of older evidence.

Who else was there at the time?

Well there weren't any Arabs, Muslims,or Palestinians. LOL

What were Native Americans called before it was America?

The OP was about Gaza illegally training new terrorist fighters. Let's get back to that.

Okay. I'll repeat "si vis pacem, para bellum" and who says they are being trained illegally? What does that even mean?

Can you translate? I don't read Latin. But I do know Hebrew.
Mishaneh makom mishaneh mazal.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Can you translate? I don't read Latin. But I do know Hebrew.
Mishaneh makom mishaneh mazal.

If you want peace, prepare for war

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore,

That is exactly what the "right of self-determination" is all about.

P F Tinmore, et al,

I have never "ducked the question."

I have previously asked you to confirm Israel's right to territorial integrity and you have always ducked the question.

(COMMENT)

The right of "Territorial Integrity" is a product --- that is derived from the "right of self-determination."

You cannot actually have a "territory" to have "integrity" over until you "declare independence;" which you cannot have until you exercise the "right of self-determination." They are all interrelated. In the case of the Israeli's:

• The exercised the "right of self-determination."
• The exercise was by "declaring independence."
• They declared independence over a "territory."
• The now have the right of "territorial integrity."

It is just that simple. There is none of this nonsense you espouse about transfer and title --- some authority or international this or that. It is a very straight-forward process. If the Israelis can maintain the integrity of their territory --- it is theirs.

Most Respectfully,
R

Blah, blah, blah! Who says it is theirs? Can you document it?

(COMMENT)

There is no requirement of "documentation." While there are such things, as in the Peace of Westphalia, after 1806 (the Fall of the Holy Roman Empire and the Political Influence of the Pope), such things are really rewritten in Treaties, if at all. Certainly, the Arab Palestinian has no deed, title, treaty or other political devise that extends to them any sovereignty over any territory; not in the last 1000 years.

Who says it is theirs? They (the Israelis) say it is theirs, just as the French say France is their; just as the Britons say the UK is theirs; just as the Saudi's say Saudi Arabia is theirs; and each defending their right to sovereignty. The Arab Palestinians can say and claim anything they want, but they have to defend their claim; which they haven't in over a 1000 years.

Just as you claim that the "right to self-determination" is a "RIGHT" --- it is a "right for all peoples," not just the whiny Arab Palestinians.

The Jewish State of Israel defends it rights --- that is all that is required.

The question needs to be reversed: Who says the Arab-Palestinians have any territorial rights? Who says it theirs? (And don't claim that the Treaty of Lausanne bequeaths anything to the Arab-Palestinian --- it certainly does not. The citizenship issue has nothing to do with territorial integrity. All that territory was remanded to the Allied Powers.)

Most Respectfully,
R

There is much about Israel that is just "say so" with nothing to prove it to be true.

You have offered nothing but say so. I see no proof of anything.

the French say France is their; just as the Britons say the UK is theirs; just as the Saudi's say Saudi Arabia is theirs.​

And Israel says that Palestine is theirs.

Uhhh.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Can you translate? I don't read Latin. But I do know Hebrew.
Mishaneh makom mishaneh mazal.

If you want peace, prepare for war

That's like saying, "If you wannna be a virgin, then prepare to screw around."

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

No, Israel says that "Israel" is their sovereign territory.

[
There is much about Israel that is just "say so" with nothing to prove it to be true.

You have offered nothing but say so. I see no proof of anything.

the French say France is their; just as the Britons say the UK is theirs; just as the Saudi's say Saudi Arabia is theirs.​

And Israel says that Palestine is theirs.

Uhhh.

(COMMENT)

Yes, unless you want to argue that the "right of self-determination" does not apply to the Jewish People.

Israel says Israel is theirs (not Palestine). Don't alter the quote just to change the argument.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Kondor3]

...I dare you to watch this:

Same old "...how can a just, merciful, loving God create..." tripe that atheists have been pushing for centuries... Lost Souls are attracted to such as moths to a flame.

 

[Kondor3]

...Established in 1948, true. Being a member of the UN however, does not automatically infer recognition as a state.

One need look no further than the number of countries which have full diplomatic relations with Israel in order to gauge its recognition as a state.