George Orwell

[Onyx]

Dude, you are way out of whack. MisterBeale knows what he is talking about.. let me read what was going on.. but I know what I said is true

Actually what he said was completely false and uneducated, misrepresenting hundreds of well established anarchist intellectuals and philosophers.

If you cannot defend it then you are just as clueless and uneducated as he is. For god sakes, he was defining a distinguished individual as being a ruler

He lost all credibility when he affiliated with a argumentatively broken ideology invented by 19 year old scene kids, which was later adopted by hipster college youth.

 

[defcon4]

Dude, you are way out of whack. MisterBeale knows what he is talking about.. let me read what was going on.. but I know what I said is true

Actually what he said was completely false and uneducated, misrepresenting hundreds of well established anarchist intellectuals and philosophers.

If you cannot defend it then you are just as clueless and uneducated as he is.

Listen, MisterBeale is a well respected person around here and his opinion is always well founded, so I will read the preliminaries.

 

[Onyx]

Listen, MisterBeale is a well respected person around here and his opinion is always well founded, so I will read the preliminaries.

Yes, and in this case he was outrageously false.

I have no doubts on his intelligence, but even smart people can be really stupid and uneducated on certain subjects.

MisterBeale completely butchered what constitutes anarchist thought, and I would rather he just learns the truth. My intention is not to tear him down, but when you start misrepresenting the truth and promoting lies, that type of behavior needs to be called out whether it was intentional or not.

 

[gipper]

Listen, MisterBeale is a well respected person around here and his opinion is always well founded, so I will read the preliminaries.

Yes, and in this case he was outrageously false.

I have no doubts on his intelligence, but even smart people can be really stupid and uneducated on certain subjects.

MisterBeale completely butchered what constitutes anarchist thought, and I would rather he just learns the truth. My intention is not to tear him down, but when you start misrepresenting the truth and promoting lies, that type of behavior needs to be called out whether it was intentional or not.

One of the most misunderstood ideas is anarchy.

I wonder why...

 

[Onyx]

We are taught conformity through discipline. The philosopher and teacher Jiddu Krishnamurti examined the value of discipline in this lecture on culture.

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So it is very important to understand this whole question of discipline. To me, discipline is something altogether ugly; it is not creative, it is destructive. But merely to stop there, with a statement of that kind, may seem to imply that you can do whatever you like. On the contrary, a man who loves does not do whatever he likes. It is love alone that leads to right action. What brings order in the world is to love and let love do what it will.

That is exactly what I am talking about.

Those that value the more powerful emotions and concepts (there is more than just love) help to contribute to a self respecting society. The flaws in our society come as a result of a machine which twists evil into good sense, and disciplines (or conditions) that mentality into all of its subjects.

Anarchism is argued to be the natural order of mankind, which refers to a time when human beings were born free from both abstractions and constraints to their thought.

 

[Grizz]

Perhaps yes, but maybe not so much. Maybe the elites have you thinking that you can't live side by side. Perhaps there are more important issues at stake.

Anarcho-Socialists and Anarcho-Capitalists — Friend or Foe?
Simple Liberty - Anarcho-Socialists and Anarcho-Capitalists

If only Americans recognized the tyranny that is our government and the benefits of anarchy.

America's greatest thinkers, and rarely do any school children learn of them.

Josiah Warren - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Lysander Spooner - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Warren is interesting, but anarchy doesn't work, like communism, because of human nature. Neither does totalitarianism or Reaganism see sig. Only fair capitalism and democracy does, with a state OF COURSE to keep the a-holes in line. History proves it. And your anarchist movement is crap to keep you irrelevant, dupe.

You're fascism is the worst of all.....

Your comment is ridiculous, dupe. If there's any fascism in the US, it's the bought off by corporations, pander to the greedy idiot, pure obstruction of reform, New BS propaganda GOP. A disgrace. Fits the definition of incipent fascism, with its big orabge idiot "strong man". The ignorant inmates are running it now. Any argument, inmate?

Now you're getting it, that is Barak and Hillary to a T.

 

[Onyx]

One of the most misunderstood ideas is anarchy.

I wonder why...

States and the media have historically attacked anarchists, no one reads anarchist philosophy, and the ideology has been styled by society as a buzzword meaning chaos and disorder.

I agree that anarchism is one of the most misunderstood ideologies, and I have said this in the past.

 

[gipper]

One of the most misunderstood ideas is anarchy.

I wonder why...

States and the media have historically attacked anarchists, no one reads anarchist philosophy, and the ideology has been styled by society as a buzzword meaning chaos and disorder.

I agree that anarchism is one of the most misunderstood ideologies, and I have said this in the past.

Tell a prog or statist you are an anarchist and the typical response is, well why don't you move to Somali. The ignorance of the greatness of anarchy is huge...most unfortunately.

 

[Onyx]

Tell a prog or statist you are an anarchist and the typical response is, well why don't you move to Somali. The ignorance of the greatness of anarchy is huge...most unfortunately.

It makes all the statist arguments easy to refute though. Especially the Somalia argument.

My favorite is social contract theory and rule of law.

 

[Ame®icano]

 

[gipper]

You will not find anyone on the Left and most on the Right, who wish to destroy the state.

Completely false.

Anarchists have come from both the left and right wing since its ideological roots.

The difference is the Left is in control and they very much love the big unliminted centralized state.

You are not defining left wing correctly.

Left wing politics support social egalitarianism and relative economic equality.

You misunderstand. Of course anarchists come from some place other than anarchism. You and I no doubt do. However my point is most on the right and left are not anarchists. This can't be disputed.

Leftist leaders are nothing more than tyrants. They only believe in power and wealth. No different from right wing leaders. Leftism as an ideology has good points as you have mentioned, but in practice it leads to tyranny.

 

[Onyx]

However my point is most on the right and left are not anarchists. This can't be disputed.

Obviously I do not disagree with that.

Leftist leaders are nothing more than tyrants. They only believe in power and wealth. No different from right wing leaders. Leftism as an ideology has good points as you have mentioned, but in practice it leads to tyranny.

Nestor Makhno, Mikhail Bakunin, Errico Malatesta, and Emma Goldman were not tyrants.

They believed in the exact opposite of power and wealth, which is why they were left wing anarchists. Syndicalists are also described as being left wing anarchists, and there was not any tyrannical rule occurring in Anarchist Catalonia.

There is no such thing as "leftist ideology." Left and right are schools of thoughts, and they provide for a wide range of diversified beliefs.

 

[gipper]

However my point is most on the right and left are not anarchists. This can't be disputed.

Obviously I do not disagree with that.

Leftist leaders are nothing more than tyrants. They only believe in power and wealth. No different from right wing leaders. Leftism as an ideology has good points as you have mentioned, but in practice it leads to tyranny.

Nestor Makhno, Mikhail Bakunin, Errico Malatesta, and Emma Goldman were not tyrants.

They believed in the exact opposite of power and wealth, which is why they were left wing anarchists. Syndicalists are also described as being left wing anarchists, and there was not any tyrannical rule occurring in Anarchist Catalonia.

There is no such thing as "leftist ideology." Left and right are schools of thoughts, and they provide for a wide range of diversified beliefs.

Those people you list are not leaders of nations. They are minor players you attained very little if any, political power.

Leftism is an ideology as it rightism. Leftism historically has lead to massive death and destruction. Leftism is in control of much of the West today. It has some admirable traits, but again it is ultimately controlled by a few individuals who are entirely corrupt.

 

[Onyx]

Those people you list are not leaders of nations. They are minor players you attained very little if any, political power.

That is the whole point.

As anarchists, they reject political power. These are famous left wing philosophers that have no tyrannical tendencies.

Leftism historically has lead to massive death and destruction. Leftism is in control of much of the West today. It has some admirable traits, but again it is ultimately controlled by a few individuals who are entirely corrupt.

Anyone working within the framework of the state is corrupt.

You are acting like there has never been a right wing military dictatorship? Left and right are not the problems. Statism is.

 

[Onyx]

Those people you list are not leaders of nations. They are minor players you attained very little if any, political power.

That is the whole point.

As anarchists, they reject political power. These are famous left wing philosophers that have no tyrannical tendencies. None of them ran for office or forced their beliefs on others, and openly criticized the people that did.

Leftism historically has lead to massive death and destruction. Leftism is in control of much of the West today. It has some admirable traits, but again it is ultimately controlled by a few individuals who are entirely corrupt.

Anyone working within the framework of the state is corrupt.

Do you really believe there has never been a right wing military dictatorship? Left and right are not the problems. Statism is.

 

[gipper]

Those people you list are not leaders of nations. They are minor players you attained very little if any, political power.

That is the whole point.

As anarchists, they reject political power. These are famous left wing philosophers that have no tyrannical tendencies.

Leftism historically has lead to massive death and destruction. Leftism is in control of much of the West today. It has some admirable traits, but again it is ultimately controlled by a few individuals who are entirely corrupt.

Anyone working within the framework of the state is corrupt.

You are acting like there has never been a right wing military dictatorship? Left and right are not the problems. Statism is.

As I clearly stated in my post, Leftist leaders are tyrants. You confused that with leftists who may be famous but had no power.

I am not acting like there has never been right wing dictators. Why are you continually misconstruing my posts?

 

[Onyx]

As I clearly stated in my post, Leftist leaders are tyrants. You confused that with leftists who may be famous but had no power.

Easily proven false.

Nestor Mahkno was not a tyrant, and he commanded an army 100,000 strong. He won incredible battles against both the Whites and Reds. He made no laws, demanded no taxation, and forced no one to adhere to his socio-economic belief system.

Let's distinguish the difference between a leader and a ruler while we are at it. A leader guides and inspires, while a ruler mandates and conditions. None of those left wing anarchists believed that society should be governed by rulers.

 

[Onyx]

gipper

We should simplify this actually.

Explain how a left wing anarchist or even social libertarian can be a tyrant.

 

[tinydancer]

Orwell used to be required reading in my high school. I doubt any public school even mentions Orwell anymore.

And you'd be dead wrong of course.

M.S.D. High School Summer Reading List | Parkland, FL

Kudos to your school.

Few and far between so left or right cheers to your school for taking it on.

 

[tinydancer]

As I clearly stated in my post, Leftist leaders are tyrants. You confused that with leftists who may be famous but had no power.

Easily proven false.

Nestor Mahkno was not a tyrant, and he commanded an army 100,000 strong. He won incredible battles against both the Whites and Reds. He made no laws, demanded no taxation, and forced no one to adhere to his socio-economic belief system.

Let's distinguish the difference between a leader and a ruler while we are at it. A leader guides and inspires, while a ruler mandates and conditions. None of those left wing anarchists believed that society should be governed by rulers.

OMG this is like a nightmare to me.

What the hell are you freaking Uks trying to make explainations now that you have been exposed as horrid anti jew killing machines?

I told you I would and I have shown to be you.

I will show you to be the pigs over and over and over again.......