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Ya'll keep this up and someone is going to suggest we all hold hands and sing Kumbaya.
....................... Not really my thing.
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If you’re confronted by someone with a gun who doesn’t identify themselves a police officer with jurisdiction where you’re legally standing what’s your legal options?
What’s the difference if:
The gun is or isn’t concealed?
The confronter deliberately or accidently permits you see the “concealed” gun?
I’ve been given to understand Zimmerman was carrying a side arm and he followed Martin after police advised him to stand down.
A girl claims she was speaking to Martin on the phone; Martin told her he was being stalked; I’m not certain but I think she claims to have heard the struggle.
Martin’s cell phone and telephone company records indicate Martin’s phone was calling the girl’s phone at the approximate time of the confrontation.
Zimmerman claims that Martin confronted him and during the struggle Martin tried to get the gun. Zimmerman claims to have fired the gun in defense of his life.
I’m considering that due to this Floorida law if Zimmerman confronted Martin while armed, Martin had legal right to kill Zimmerman.
Zimmerman is now in superior condition; Martin certainly cannot be revived to life. But Zimmerman is certainly in a very poor legal position.
Under circumstances that are not extremely extraordinary, this law could leagalize the murder of any armed person who's not a police officer.
Respectfully, Supposn
Carrying a weapon whether it is concealed or if it becomes visible is not a crime and Zimmerman would have done nothing wrong.
Things change if Zimmerman displayed the weapon and threatened Martin...
- Florida Statute 784.011 (Assault) exists when one person threatens (verbally or by act) another person and appears to have the ability to do so.
- Florida Statute 784.021 (Aggravated Assault) exists when a person commits assault with a deadly weapon with intent to kill or commit a felony.
- Florida Statute 787.02 (False Imprisonment) makes it a felony to unlawfully try to restrain another person from leaving without lawful authority.
- Florida Statute 776.041 (Use of force by an aggressor) - Removes an individuals self defense immunity from prosecution if the individual was in the commission of a forcible felony.
**IF** (BIG IF) the state were to show that Martin attempted to leave the confrontation and Zimmerman grabbed (assault) Martin and attempted to keep him from leaving (unlawful detention) then Zimmerman would have been committing a forcible felony under 776.041. If Martin assaulted Zimmerman then none of that would apply and Zimmerman's self defense claim would be intact.
At this point we don't know exactly what happened and of critical importance are those seconds between the end of the girlfriends call (known by phone records) and the discharge of the firearm (time stamped on the 911 calls). At this point no witness has come forward into the public arena who can undermine or corroborate Zimmerman's version of the story. (Remember, the fact that someone has injuries from a fight is not indicative of who started a fight.)
World Watcher, If a jury believe Zimmerman (who was armed), physically confronted Martin, (regardless of whatever Zimmerman should claim without confirming evidence), they are likely to determine (under this Florida law) that Martin might legally murder Zimmerman; but since they believe Zimmerman initiated the confrontation and he s the only survivor, they are very likely to find him guilty of murder.
Due to this Florida law, any armed civilian that initiates a confrontation becomes in effect fair game to be murdered and likely to be subject to criminal prosecution for any injury they cause upon others not behaving illegally.
3. And the evidence as far as we now know it points to Martin initiating the confrontation, not GZ.
They are not fair game to be murdered. The law protects a person if their life is endangered, which includes someone pounding your head into the pavement.
If you cant get this much of the law straight maybe it is pointless to discuss it.
Carrying a weapon whether it is concealed or if it becomes visible is not a crime and Zimmerman would have done nothing wrong.
Things change if Zimmerman displayed the weapon and threatened Martin...
- Florida Statute 784.011 (Assault) exists when one person threatens (verbally or by act) another person and appears to have the ability to do so.
- Florida Statute 784.021 (Aggravated Assault) exists when a person commits assault with a deadly weapon with intent to kill or commit a felony.
- Florida Statute 787.02 (False Imprisonment) makes it a felony to unlawfully try to restrain another person from leaving without lawful authority.
- Florida Statute 776.041 (Use of force by an aggressor) - Removes an individuals self defense immunity from prosecution if the individual was in the commission of a forcible felony.
**IF** (BIG IF) the state were to show that Martin attempted to leave the confrontation and Zimmerman grabbed (assault) Martin and attempted to keep him from leaving (unlawful detention) then Zimmerman would have been committing a forcible felony under 776.041. If Martin assaulted Zimmerman then none of that would apply and Zimmerman's self defense claim would be intact.
At this point we don't know exactly what happened and of critical importance are those seconds between the end of the girlfriends call (known by phone records) and the discharge of the firearm (time stamped on the 911 calls). At this point no witness has come forward into the public arena who can undermine or corroborate Zimmerman's version of the story. (Remember, the fact that someone has injuries from a fight is not indicative of who started a fight.)
World Watcher, If a jury believe Zimmerman (who was armed), physically confronted Martin, (regardless of whatever Zimmerman should claim without confirming evidence), they are likely to determine (under this Florida law) that Martin might legally murder Zimmerman; but since they believe Zimmerman initiated the confrontation and he s the only survivor, they are very likely to find him guilty of murder.
Due to this Florida law, any armed civilian that initiates a confrontation becomes in effect fair game to be murdered and likely to be subject to criminal prosecution for any injury they cause upon others not behaving illegally.
Respectfully, Supposn
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They are not fair game to be murdered. The law protects a person if their life is endangered, which includes someone pounding your head into the pavement.
If you cant get this much of the law straight maybe it is pointless to discuss it.
zzz1.
They are not fair game to be murdered. The law protects a person if their life is endangered, which includes someone pounding your head into the pavement.
If you cant get this much of the law straight maybe it is pointless to discuss it.
Jim Bowie 1158, my message stated If a jury believes the girl.
Zimmerman telephoned the police regarding a suspicious character he spotted while driving his car. Zimmerman exited the car and followed Martin on foot. The police advised Zimmerman not to continue following Martin.
A girl claims Martin called and during their conversation she heard Martin being confronted.
Zimmerman claims he lost sight of Martin until Martin came from behind and confronted Zimmerman.
If a jury believes Zimmerman was confronted, hes less legally, but to some extent still remains legally vulnerable. If the jury believes the girl, Zimmerman is very much more legally vulnerable.
The critical point is if a jury believes the girl or Zimmerman.
Respectfully, Supposn
To my knowledge and I have followed this case pretty closely. There has been no claim that Martin reached into his waistband. It's a claim that liberal race baiters claim Zimmerman said, but he never actually said it. I have heard that after Martin struck Zimmerman to the ground, he saw the gun and reached toward the gun that Zimmerman had.
I have heard that after Martin struck Zimmerman to the ground, he saw the gun and reached toward the gun that Zimmerman had.
Just for the arguement sake lets just suppose that Zimmerman could have attacked Martin.
Martin should have quit beating Zimmerman after he was down & yelling for help. Just like in the video below when 2 women attacked a guy. Once the women retreated or he took them down he should have stopped the beating. since he did not stop, all 3 of them went to jail. These rules are clearly stated in Florida Statute 776.041.
Severely Beaten After Attacking
It is not the "Stand Your Ground Law" that protects Zimmerman if he did start or provoke the confrontation. Martin was beating Zimmerman whom had already been knocked flat on his back, not fighting back & screaming for help 20 times. That is illegal in any state. Here is the law in Florida. Note: this is not the SYG law.
Florida Statute 776.041 - Use of force by aggressor. - The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:
(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or
(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:
- (a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or
- (b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.
Even police are not justified in using excessive force against a subdued man.
Even police are not justified in using excessive force against a subdued man.
Listening to the audio and since it was a soccer riot can we assume it was a foreign country where laws might be different then Florida?
Secondly, were the police arrested?
Even police are not justified in using excessive force against a subdued man.
Listening to the audio and since it was a soccer riot can we assume it was a foreign country where laws might be different then Florida?
Secondly, were the police arrested?
Beating a subdued person is reprehensible in most civilized societies.
At least one witness reports that it was Zimmerman on top of Martin at the time the shot was fire.
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Gee...it's like you never even heard Z's not911 call.To my knowledge and I have followed this case pretty closely. There has been no claim that Martin reached into his waistband. It's a claim that liberal race baiters claim Zimmerman said, but he never actually said it. I have heard that after Martin struck Zimmerman to the ground, he saw the gun and reached toward the gun that Zimmerman had.
