Follow along with the video below to see how to install our site as a web app on your home screen.
Note: This feature may not be available in some browsers.
Ok, here we go.
Australia
Dollars per MW hour.
Wind: 63
Clean Coal: 98
The following table gives a selection of LECs from two major government reports from Australia.[19][20] Note that these LECs do not include any cost for the greenhouse gas emissions (such as under carbon tax or emissions trading scenarios) associated with the different technologies.
Todd -
Please acknowledge the information provided before moving on to other points.
I'm not a big fan of wind myself - but I do like facts.
Todd -
I can post as many examples as you like. They all show wind as cheaper than clean coal. Why not go and check for yourself, that way you might believe what you see?
I'm asking you to acknowledge this so that we will know that you have understood.
Todd -
OK, sure.
Total Systemized Costs: Averages
Wind: 96.8
Clean Coal: 140.7
And while weare at it, here is the UK:
Wind: 80 - 110
Clean coal: 100 - 155
Cost of electricity by source - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Despite the efforts by conservatives, this country will not fail. We will accept science. We will pursue all of the opportunities inherent in the complete retooling of the world's energy system. We will stay ahead of the declining supplies and rising costs of fossil fuels. We will rebuild civilization where it needs to be given the new and different climate we have forced on our planet.
But, throughout it all, we will do it to the steady drone of their whining. The constant negativity of those with inadequate faith in mankind. Against their pull of ignorance based limitations. Because, simply, that's what mankind has always done.
The title of media biased conservatives may be modern, but what they preach has been preached through the millennia. Nothing new. They are the drag that doers always overcome with the energy of discovery.
They didn't become irrelevent. That's what they've always been.
The truth of the matter is that MTBE was a compromise with the petroleum industry. It was the least expensive way to increase the oxidation of pollutants in the exhaust of automobiles. The petroleum industry heavily promoted it for this purpose because for them it was a waste product of the refinery process. Getting the government to adopt THEIR plan was a big financial win for them. It wasn't until it got into the ground water from THEIR leaking underground storage tanks that the real problem with MTBE became apparent. It doesn't easily break down once it is released into the environment because there are no microbes that can readily digest it. And so California banned it, and many other states have since followed. It was a case of good intentions (on the part of the government) having a bad result. Believe me, they've learned from that mistake.
Of COURSE they did. It was a pain in the ass, and expensive for them to remove so they convinced the libtard enviro idiots that it was the bee's knee's and the libtards obliged.
We warned them about the caustic nature of MTBE and how it was potential carcinogen and they ignored us.
Who was right? We conservationists. Who was wrong.....YOU were....
Who is "we? No one had given it a second thought until California tried to clean up MTBE from leaking tanks, and then banned it for use in gasoline in California. You Republicans cannot claim that. You had nothing to do with it. In fact, it was your bosses in the petroleum industry that wanted to add it to gasoline in the first place.
Oh, and speaking of carcinogens, it's odd that you would mention MTBE as a carcinogen (particularly as it is not a known human carcinogen - MTBE) and yet have nothing at all to say about benzene (one of the most carcinogenic substances known to man) having replaced methyl lead as an anti-knock agent in gasoline since at least the late 1980s and is still in there.
Of COURSE they did. It was a pain in the ass, and expensive for them to remove so they convinced the libtard enviro idiots that it was the bee's knee's and the libtards obliged.
We warned them about the caustic nature of MTBE and how it was potential carcinogen and they ignored us.
Who was right? We conservationists. Who was wrong.....YOU were....
Who is "we? No one had given it a second thought until California tried to clean up MTBE from leaking tanks, and then banned it for use in gasoline in California. You Republicans cannot claim that. You had nothing to do with it. In fact, it was your bosses in the petroleum industry that wanted to add it to gasoline in the first place.
Oh, and speaking of carcinogens, it's odd that you would mention MTBE as a carcinogen (particularly as it is not a known human carcinogen - MTBE) and yet have nothing at all to say about benzene (one of the most carcinogenic substances known to man) having replaced methyl lead as an anti-knock agent in gasoline since at least the late 1980s and is still in there.
According to the IARC of the WHO, MTBE is not carcinogenic.
Additionally, from the Wikipedia article on MTBE: Advocates of both sides of the debate in the United States sometimes claim that gasoline manufacturers have been forced to add MTBE to gasoline by law. It might be more correct to say they have been induced to do so, although any oxygenate would fulfill the law.
Please, find a better source.
Todd -
I can post as many examples as you like. They all show wind as cheaper than clean coal. Why not go and check for yourself, that way you might believe what you see?
I'm asking you to acknowledge this so that we will know that you have understood.
Despite the efforts by conservatives, this country will not fail. We will accept science. We will pursue all of the opportunities inherent in the complete retooling of the world's energy system. We will stay ahead of the declining supplies and rising costs of fossil fuels. We will rebuild civilization where it needs to be given the new and different climate we have forced on our planet.
But, throughout it all, we will do it to the steady drone of their whining. The constant negativity of those with inadequate faith in mankind. Against their pull of ignorance based limitations. Because, simply, that's what mankind has always done.
The title of media biased conservatives may be modern, but what they preach has been preached through the millennia. Nothing new. They are the drag that doers always overcome with the energy of discovery.
They didn't become irrelevent. That's what they've always been.
Todd -
Still waiting for you to admit that wind is cheaper.
Why it is so damn difficult for you, I cannot imagine.
Todd -
Still waiting for you to admit that wind is cheaper.
Why it is so damn difficult for you, I cannot imagine.
How often does Todd or any other realistic poster have to point out to you that wind and solar are intermittent power sources that HAVE to be backed up by an on-demand alternative? When will wind and solar costs realistically add this dimension rather than penalize fossil fuel by adding in idling time?
Would you open a restaurant without knowing if you had dependable power? What wouldthe cost of that be? Check the economies of contries that have habitual rolling blackouts.
Todd -
Still waiting for you to admit that wind is cheaper.
Why it is so damn difficult for you, I cannot imagine.
