GOP Lawmaker Wants To End Higher Education To ‘Save America’ From Liberals

[Wry Catcher]

Education is the greatest enemy of modern American conservatism. So not surprised.

Actually, right now it is the greatest enemy of freedom. Brainwashed kids are great for tyrannical governments, but struggle in free societies.

And uneducated people struggle in every society.

I agree. It's a shame that higher education is producing uneducated drones. Vocational training leads to better paying jobs without a huge debt load and no indoctrination.

It would make sense to check the job market before starting a higher education course in some fields, but to imply vocational training is a good replacement for engineers, doctors, and scientists is just childish.

A young neighbor of mine was going to college, racking up debt, and he asked my advice. I suggested a vocational school.

He found one that interested him, paid the tuition with a loan. And immediately upon graduation had a job offer of 24 an hour with benefits.

He took that job, and after one month, once they saw he was good, he was bumped up to 28 an hour.

Yes, there is a need for engineers, but not everyone is suited to that profession.

Many kids go to college, who shouldn't.

You all like to point to Germany and it's free college, but you ignore the fact that they only allow a small number of people into college.

It's clear that Secondary Education is geared to students on a track to attend college, and that polytechnic schools are on the wane. Every Middle School and High School in America needs to educated all of their students in Reading, Writing, Arithmetic and Computing - the basics necessary more than ever before in the 21st Century.

One of the best programs I every saw was the Southern California Regional Occupational Center [ See: SoCal ROC - Education with a Purpose! (310) 224-4200 ]

 

[Wry Catcher]

It would make sense to check the job market before starting a higher education course in some fields, but to imply vocational training is a good replacement for engineers, doctors, and scientists is just childish.

A young neighbor of mine was going to college, racking up debt, and he asked my advice. I suggested a vocational school.

He found one that interested him, paid the tuition with a loan. And immediately upon graduation had a job offer of 24 an hour with benefits.

He took that job, and after one month, once they saw he was good, he was bumped up to 28 an hour.

Yes, there is a need for engineers, but not everyone is suited to that profession.

Many kids go to college, who shouldn't.

You all like to point to Germany and it's free college, but you ignore the fact that they only allow a small number of people into college.

I agree that vocational school is great for some people, but to advocate vocational school to replace higher education is stupid. There can be no rational discussion that would include such a premise.

When higher education is churning out degrees that have no value, yes, the discussion needs to take place.

I see kids all over Reno working jobs that will never pay enough to pay off their student debt.

That is criminal. Far better for those degrees to have never been created.

So, you do not believe in personal responsibility? When did you become a liberal?

I've always been a classical liberal. Kids today are propagandized so the don't know what the value of the education they are given is.

The colleges are guilty of educational malfeasance.

Do you have a college degree (or, did you ever attend a U. or 4-year college)?

 

[westwall]

A young neighbor of mine was going to college, racking up debt, and he asked my advice. I suggested a vocational school.

He found one that interested him, paid the tuition with a loan. And immediately upon graduation had a job offer of 24 an hour with benefits.

He took that job, and after one month, once they saw he was good, he was bumped up to 28 an hour.

Yes, there is a need for engineers, but not everyone is suited to that profession.

Many kids go to college, who shouldn't.

You all like to point to Germany and it's free college, but you ignore the fact that they only allow a small number of people into college.

I agree that vocational school is great for some people, but to advocate vocational school to replace higher education is stupid. There can be no rational discussion that would include such a premise.

When higher education is churning out degrees that have no value, yes, the discussion needs to take place.

I see kids all over Reno working jobs that will never pay enough to pay off their student debt.

That is criminal. Far better for those degrees to have never been created.

So, you do not believe in personal responsibility? When did you become a liberal?

I've always been a classical liberal. Kids today are propagandized so the don't know what the value of the education they are given is.

The colleges are guilty of educational malfeasance.

Do you have a college degree (or, did you ever attend a U. or 4-year college)?

I have a PhD from Caltech, why do you ask?

 

[westwall]

Tennessee lawmaker Kerry Roberts calls for removal of higher education | TribLIVE.com
NASHVILLE — A Republican Tennessee lawmaker says he supports getting rid of higher education because he argues it would cut off the “liberal breeding ground.”



They should remove it , this has been nothing but a Gov. scam from day one.

Education is the greatest enemy of modern American conservatism. So not surprised.

Actually, right now it is the greatest enemy of freedom. Brainwashed kids are great for tyrannical governments, but struggle in free societies.

Not even a good lie. Anti-Intellectualism is the greatest threat to humanity. Want to see a brainwashed fool? Look in a mirror.

I can't , you're crowding everyone else out. However, you are correct about the anti intellectualism. So why do you support colleges not allowing right wongetscto lecture on campuses?

 

[westwall]

When higher education is churning out degrees that have no value, yes, the discussion needs to take place.

I see kids all over Reno working jobs that will never pay enough to pay off their student debt.

That is criminal. Far better for those degrees to have never been created.

So, you do not believe in personal responsibility? When did you become a liberal?

thats not what he said,,

He seemed to be blaming the college for the student's choice in degrees. So yeah, he kinda did say that.

No, I didn't. I said that colleges push students into buying worthless degrees.

The colleges neglect to inform the prospective students that particular degree fields are next to worthless.

That is a problem with mostly "for profit" colleges. Seems like I heard something about making the discredited ones maintain a higher standard. You can't compare legitimate institutes of higher learning with the fly by night money machines of for profit colleges.

And the overwhelming majority of colleges are for profits.

 

[Lysistrata]

Tennessee lawmaker Kerry Roberts calls for removal of higher education | TribLIVE.com
NASHVILLE — A Republican Tennessee lawmaker says he supports getting rid of higher education because he argues it would cut off the “liberal breeding ground.”

They should remove it , this has been nothing but a Gov. scam from day one.

I agree with Kerry Roberts. We're paying for our children to be turned into communist robotons by out-of-control leftist history rewriters who have an agenda of chaos to confuse before making socialism/communism seem so right. I keep countering here with the treachery of the Soviet Socialist Republic against their own citizens whom they starved to death in WWII when other countries were busy fighting off Hitler's Nazis. Also, Mao was on his own killing spree at the same time, taking advantage of the Iron Curtain to rid himself of all opposition in China. Both countries of socialists/communists of the day had brutal death tallies.

President Trump, somewhere in the second half of this speech brought forward students who'd been attacked by students/professors/universities for their religious or conservative views, that in the future, schools who sponsored retributive behaviors against student would no longer be receiving any kind of government grants. It's in here, but it's near or past the middle, somewhere I think:

Edit: he starts bringing college kids who've had bad experiences in school for their conservative political beliefs around the time of 22:00 (Twenty two minutes) There are 3 or 4 kids who've truly been silenced by schools through professors or by omission of disciplining offenders against students who are conservative in their views..

​

Challenging students to defend their beliefs is a major part of developing students' critical-thinking skills. It's not an "attack." If a person cannot support his or her views with reasoning, maybe this person should re-think them. If you go into law or journalism, or many other fields, you have got to learn to defend yourself. No responsible court in the land is going to allow an attorney to answer a question with a simple statement of "well, because . . ." without any follow-up.

The Socratic Method | University of Chicago Law School

This ancient teaching method is not just used in law schools. It's used all over and has been since ancient times. This little idiot at this trump rally is pledging to "stand up" for his beliefs. But apparently he cannot defend them because he doesn't know how to cope with being asked questions.

When I got my degree in history, I not only had to pass written comps, I had to stand before a panel of history professors, including one that was a Catholic monsignor and another who went on to become president of one of the Seven Sisters, and answer any question that was put to me.

I think that this kid can't take the heat, but wants to stay in the kitchen.

I agree . Today's colleges REFUSE to allow opposing thoughts, thus no critical thinking occurrs.

Please provide examples of such refusals that might provide backup for your generalizations, and not just examples of a person who was allowed to speak and then had the content of his or her speech criticized.

 

[westwall]

Tennessee lawmaker Kerry Roberts calls for removal of higher education | TribLIVE.com
NASHVILLE — A Republican Tennessee lawmaker says he supports getting rid of higher education because he argues it would cut off the “liberal breeding ground.”

They should remove it , this has been nothing but a Gov. scam from day one.

I agree with Kerry Roberts. We're paying for our children to be turned into communist robotons by out-of-control leftist history rewriters who have an agenda of chaos to confuse before making socialism/communism seem so right. I keep countering here with the treachery of the Soviet Socialist Republic against their own citizens whom they starved to death in WWII when other countries were busy fighting off Hitler's Nazis. Also, Mao was on his own killing spree at the same time, taking advantage of the Iron Curtain to rid himself of all opposition in China. Both countries of socialists/communists of the day had brutal death tallies.

President Trump, somewhere in the second half of this speech brought forward students who'd been attacked by students/professors/universities for their religious or conservative views, that in the future, schools who sponsored retributive behaviors against student would no longer be receiving any kind of government grants. It's in here, but it's near or past the middle, somewhere I think:

Edit: he starts bringing college kids who've had bad experiences in school for their conservative political beliefs around the time of 22:00 (Twenty two minutes) There are 3 or 4 kids who've truly been silenced by schools through professors or by omission of disciplining offenders against students who are conservative in their views..

​

Challenging students to defend their beliefs is a major part of developing students' critical-thinking skills. It's not an "attack." If a person cannot support his or her views with reasoning, maybe this person should re-think them. If you go into law or journalism, or many other fields, you have got to learn to defend yourself. No responsible court in the land is going to allow an attorney to answer a question with a simple statement of "well, because . . ." without any follow-up.

The Socratic Method | University of Chicago Law School

This ancient teaching method is not just used in law schools. It's used all over and has been since ancient times. This little idiot at this trump rally is pledging to "stand up" for his beliefs. But apparently he cannot defend them because he doesn't know how to cope with being asked questions.

When I got my degree in history, I not only had to pass written comps, I had to stand before a panel of history professors, including one that was a Catholic monsignor and another who went on to become president of one of the Seven Sisters, and answer any question that was put to me.

I think that this kid can't take the heat, but wants to stay in the kitchen.

I agree . Today's colleges REFUSE to allow opposing thoughts, thus no critical thinking occurrs.

Please provide examples of such refusals that might provide backup for your generalizations, and not just examples of a person who was allowed to speak and then had the content of his or her speech criticized.

Look up Ben Shapiro and a host of other right wingers who are prevented from speaking on college campuses all over the country, or listen to the number of comedians who will no longer do shows on colleges.

Only a brain dead moron would take your position.

 

[progressive hunter]

So, you do not believe in personal responsibility? When did you become a liberal?

thats not what he said,,

He seemed to be blaming the college for the student's choice in degrees. So yeah, he kinda did say that.

No, I didn't. I said that colleges push students into buying worthless degrees.

The colleges neglect to inform the prospective students that particular degree fields are next to worthless.

That is a problem with mostly "for profit" colleges. Seems like I heard something about making the discredited ones maintain a higher standard. You can't compare legitimate institutes of higher learning with the fly by night money machines of for profit colleges.

And the overwhelming majority of colleges are for profits.

I've never seen a college that wasnt based around profits

 

[westwall]

thats not what he said,,

He seemed to be blaming the college for the student's choice in degrees. So yeah, he kinda did say that.

No, I didn't. I said that colleges push students into buying worthless degrees.

The colleges neglect to inform the prospective students that particular degree fields are next to worthless.

That is a problem with mostly "for profit" colleges. Seems like I heard something about making the discredited ones maintain a higher standard. You can't compare legitimate institutes of higher learning with the fly by night money machines of for profit colleges.

And the overwhelming majority of colleges are for profits.

I've never seen a college that wasnt based around profits

There are a few.

 

[progressive hunter]

He seemed to be blaming the college for the student's choice in degrees. So yeah, he kinda did say that.

No, I didn't. I said that colleges push students into buying worthless degrees.

The colleges neglect to inform the prospective students that particular degree fields are next to worthless.

That is a problem with mostly "for profit" colleges. Seems like I heard something about making the discredited ones maintain a higher standard. You can't compare legitimate institutes of higher learning with the fly by night money machines of for profit colleges.

And the overwhelming majority of colleges are for profits.

I've never seen a college that wasnt based around profits

There are a few.

they may have non profit status, but depend on profits to exist,,,

 

[westwall]

No, I didn't. I said that colleges push students into buying worthless degrees.

The colleges neglect to inform the prospective students that particular degree fields are next to worthless.

That is a problem with mostly "for profit" colleges. Seems like I heard something about making the discredited ones maintain a higher standard. You can't compare legitimate institutes of higher learning with the fly by night money machines of for profit colleges.

And the overwhelming majority of colleges are for profits.

I've never seen a college that wasnt based around profits

There are a few.

they may have non profit status, but depend on profits to exist,,,

Nope. They are endowment colleges. Fully funded by donations.

 

[progressive hunter]

That is a problem with mostly "for profit" colleges. Seems like I heard something about making the discredited ones maintain a higher standard. You can't compare legitimate institutes of higher learning with the fly by night money machines of for profit colleges.

And the overwhelming majority of colleges are for profits.

I've never seen a college that wasnt based around profits

There are a few.

they may have non profit status, but depend on profits to exist,,,

Nope. They are endowment colleges. Fully funded by donations.

are they tuition free??

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

Tennessee lawmaker Kerry Roberts calls for removal of higher education | TribLIVE.com
NASHVILLE — A Republican Tennessee lawmaker says he supports getting rid of higher education because he argues it would cut off the “liberal breeding ground.”



They should remove it , this has been nothing but a Gov. scam from day one.

The guy sounds like a complete retard. If you can't rule without blind partisanship, go fucking work somewhere else.

 

[westwall]

And the overwhelming majority of colleges are for profits.

I've never seen a college that wasnt based around profits

There are a few.

they may have non profit status, but depend on profits to exist,,,

Nope. They are endowment colleges. Fully funded by donations.

are they tuition free??

Yup

Just do a search for tuition free colleges. There are 25 I can think of.

 

[Toro]

Tennessee lawmaker Kerry Roberts calls for removal of higher education | TribLIVE.com
NASHVILLE — A Republican Tennessee lawmaker says he supports getting rid of higher education because he argues it would cut off the “liberal breeding ground.”



They should remove it , this has been nothing but a Gov. scam from day one.

Education is the greatest enemy of modern American conservatism. So not surprised.

Actually, right now it is the greatest enemy of freedom. Brainwashed kids are great for tyrannical governments, but struggle in free societies.

And uneducated people struggle in every society.

I agree. It's a shame that higher education is producing uneducated drones. Vocational training leads to better paying jobs without a huge debt load and no indoctrination.

No it doesn’t.

 

[westwall]

Tennessee lawmaker Kerry Roberts calls for removal of higher education | TribLIVE.com
NASHVILLE — A Republican Tennessee lawmaker says he supports getting rid of higher education because he argues it would cut off the “liberal breeding ground.”



They should remove it , this has been nothing but a Gov. scam from day one.

Education is the greatest enemy of modern American conservatism. So not surprised.

Actually, right now it is the greatest enemy of freedom. Brainwashed kids are great for tyrannical governments, but struggle in free societies.

And uneducated people struggle in every society.

I agree. It's a shame that higher education is producing uneducated drones. Vocational training leads to better paying jobs without a huge debt load and no indoctrination.

No it doesn’t.

Facts say otherwise.

 

[Lysistrata]

Tennessee lawmaker Kerry Roberts calls for removal of higher education | TribLIVE.com
NASHVILLE — A Republican Tennessee lawmaker says he supports getting rid of higher education because he argues it would cut off the “liberal breeding ground.”

They should remove it , this has been nothing but a Gov. scam from day one.

I agree with Kerry Roberts. We're paying for our children to be turned into communist robotons by out-of-control leftist history rewriters who have an agenda of chaos to confuse before making socialism/communism seem so right. I keep countering here with the treachery of the Soviet Socialist Republic against their own citizens whom they starved to death in WWII when other countries were busy fighting off Hitler's Nazis. Also, Mao was on his own killing spree at the same time, taking advantage of the Iron Curtain to rid himself of all opposition in China. Both countries of socialists/communists of the day had brutal death tallies.

President Trump, somewhere in the second half of this speech brought forward students who'd been attacked by students/professors/universities for their religious or conservative views, that in the future, schools who sponsored retributive behaviors against student would no longer be receiving any kind of government grants. It's in here, but it's near or past the middle, somewhere I think:

Edit: he starts bringing college kids who've had bad experiences in school for their conservative political beliefs around the time of 22:00 (Twenty two minutes) There are 3 or 4 kids who've truly been silenced by schools through professors or by omission of disciplining offenders against students who are conservative in their views..

​

Challenging students to defend their beliefs is a major part of developing students' critical-thinking skills. It's not an "attack." If a person cannot support his or her views with reasoning, maybe this person should re-think them. If you go into law or journalism, or many other fields, you have got to learn to defend yourself. No responsible court in the land is going to allow an attorney to answer a question with a simple statement of "well, because . . ." without any follow-up.

The Socratic Method | University of Chicago Law School

This ancient teaching method is not just used in law schools. It's used all over and has been since ancient times. This little idiot at this trump rally is pledging to "stand up" for his beliefs. But apparently he cannot defend them because he doesn't know how to cope with being asked questions.

When I got my degree in history, I not only had to pass written comps, I had to stand before a panel of history professors, including one that was a Catholic monsignor and another who went on to become president of one of the Seven Sisters, and answer any question that was put to me.

I think that this kid can't take the heat, but wants to stay in the kitchen.

I agree . Today's colleges REFUSE to allow opposing thoughts, thus no critical thinking occurrs.

Please provide examples of such refusals that might provide backup for your generalizations, and not just examples of a person who was allowed to speak and then had the content of his or her speech criticized.

Look up Ben Shapiro and a host of other right wingers who are prevented from speaking on college campuses all over the country, or listen to the number of comedians who will no longer do shows on colleges.

Only a brain dead moron would take your position.

Here Are The Six Campuses Hosting Ben Shapiro This Spring | Young America's Foundation
Ben Shapiro rejects speaking invitation from Grand Canyon University

I don't feel like wasting my time doing any more. Also, anything that the speaker says that just criticizes and blames other groups of people is going to get blow-back from members of the groups he or she blames. No surprise. All the right-winger speakers tend to do is blame some other group rather than offering any real content. Women are to blame, LGBTs are to blame, blacks are to blame, atheists are to blame. Yadda, yadda, yadda.

 

[progressive hunter]

I agree with Kerry Roberts. We're paying for our children to be turned into communist robotons by out-of-control leftist history rewriters who have an agenda of chaos to confuse before making socialism/communism seem so right. I keep countering here with the treachery of the Soviet Socialist Republic against their own citizens whom they starved to death in WWII when other countries were busy fighting off Hitler's Nazis. Also, Mao was on his own killing spree at the same time, taking advantage of the Iron Curtain to rid himself of all opposition in China. Both countries of socialists/communists of the day had brutal death tallies.

President Trump, somewhere in the second half of this speech brought forward students who'd been attacked by students/professors/universities for their religious or conservative views, that in the future, schools who sponsored retributive behaviors against student would no longer be receiving any kind of government grants. It's in here, but it's near or past the middle, somewhere I think:

Edit: he starts bringing college kids who've had bad experiences in school for their conservative political beliefs around the time of 22:00 (Twenty two minutes) There are 3 or 4 kids who've truly been silenced by schools through professors or by omission of disciplining offenders against students who are conservative in their views..

​

Challenging students to defend their beliefs is a major part of developing students' critical-thinking skills. It's not an "attack." If a person cannot support his or her views with reasoning, maybe this person should re-think them. If you go into law or journalism, or many other fields, you have got to learn to defend yourself. No responsible court in the land is going to allow an attorney to answer a question with a simple statement of "well, because . . ." without any follow-up.

The Socratic Method | University of Chicago Law School

This ancient teaching method is not just used in law schools. It's used all over and has been since ancient times. This little idiot at this trump rally is pledging to "stand up" for his beliefs. But apparently he cannot defend them because he doesn't know how to cope with being asked questions.

When I got my degree in history, I not only had to pass written comps, I had to stand before a panel of history professors, including one that was a Catholic monsignor and another who went on to become president of one of the Seven Sisters, and answer any question that was put to me.

I think that this kid can't take the heat, but wants to stay in the kitchen.

I agree . Today's colleges REFUSE to allow opposing thoughts, thus no critical thinking occurrs.

Please provide examples of such refusals that might provide backup for your generalizations, and not just examples of a person who was allowed to speak and then had the content of his or her speech criticized.

Look up Ben Shapiro and a host of other right wingers who are prevented from speaking on college campuses all over the country, or listen to the number of comedians who will no longer do shows on colleges.

Only a brain dead moron would take your position.

Here Are The Six Campuses Hosting Ben Shapiro This Spring | Young America's Foundation
Ben Shapiro rejects speaking invitation from Grand Canyon University

I don't feel like wasting my time doing any more. Also, anything that the speaker says that just criticizes and blames other groups of people is going to get blow-back from members of the groups he or she blames. No surprise. All the right-winger speakers tend to do is blame some other group rather than offering any real content. Women are to blame, LGBTs are to blame, blacks are to blame, atheists are to blame. Yadda, yadda, yadda.

why are you lefties so against free speech??

 

[Toro]

Education is the greatest enemy of modern American conservatism. So not surprised.

Actually, right now it is the greatest enemy of freedom. Brainwashed kids are great for tyrannical governments, but struggle in free societies.

And uneducated people struggle in every society.

I agree. It's a shame that higher education is producing uneducated drones. Vocational training leads to better paying jobs without a huge debt load and no indoctrination.

No it doesn’t.

Facts say otherwise.

If you also believe that Trump had the biggest inauguration crowd or Dorian was threatening Alabama maybe.

CareerOneStop

 

[westwall]

Challenging students to defend their beliefs is a major part of developing students' critical-thinking skills. It's not an "attack." If a person cannot support his or her views with reasoning, maybe this person should re-think them. If you go into law or journalism, or many other fields, you have got to learn to defend yourself. No responsible court in the land is going to allow an attorney to answer a question with a simple statement of "well, because . . ." without any follow-up.

The Socratic Method | University of Chicago Law School

This ancient teaching method is not just used in law schools. It's used all over and has been since ancient times. This little idiot at this trump rally is pledging to "stand up" for his beliefs. But apparently he cannot defend them because he doesn't know how to cope with being asked questions.

When I got my degree in history, I not only had to pass written comps, I had to stand before a panel of history professors, including one that was a Catholic monsignor and another who went on to become president of one of the Seven Sisters, and answer any question that was put to me.

I think that this kid can't take the heat, but wants to stay in the kitchen.

I agree . Today's colleges REFUSE to allow opposing thoughts, thus no critical thinking occurrs.

Please provide examples of such refusals that might provide backup for your generalizations, and not just examples of a person who was allowed to speak and then had the content of his or her speech criticized.

Look up Ben Shapiro and a host of other right wingers who are prevented from speaking on college campuses all over the country, or listen to the number of comedians who will no longer do shows on colleges.

Only a brain dead moron would take your position.

Here Are The Six Campuses Hosting Ben Shapiro This Spring | Young America's Foundation
Ben Shapiro rejects speaking invitation from Grand Canyon University

I don't feel like wasting my time doing any more. Also, anything that the speaker says that just criticizes and blames other groups of people is going to get blow-back from members of the groups he or she blames. No surprise. All the right-winger speakers tend to do is blame some other group rather than offering any real content. Women are to blame, LGBTs are to blame, blacks are to blame, atheists are to blame. Yadda, yadda, yadda.

why are you lefties so against free speech??

Ummmm, that would be you sweetcheeks.