Gore Refuses to take The Pledge

[red states rule]

A former TV-land President has harsh words for the Bush Administration, and for you -- and for your lifestyle.

Martin Sheen -- who starred in The West Wing years ago -- accused the Bush Administration of lacking leadership on global warming. He said: "Europe is doing far more than we are...it's very upsetting[.]" He was speaking to the European Parliament in Brussels. Sheen said the US ought to "wake up," be more like the Europeans, and do more to cut greenhouse gasses.

He also criticized Americans for rampant consumerism, which he called a direct threat to the environment. "We are overprivileged. We have a lot; use a lot; waste a lot," Sheen told the Euros.

You know, folks -- put the whole global warming issue aside; it's a hoax, anyway, it's based on faulty science. But it's one thing to have political opinions; everybody's got them. However, to witness an American citizen -- attacking not only his President, but also his fellow citizens on foreign soil -- turns my ever-shrinking stomach!

Now, there are exceptions, but on balance, we Americans work hard for what we have. We're not "overprivileged," welfare-oriented socialists. What you denigrate as "rampant consumerism," Mr. Sheen, is freedom: the individual choices of free people and free markets to improve their lives! As a result, the American economy is the engine that drives the world.

You want us to wake up?? We are awake, Mr. Sheen! So we see your hate-based, anti-American, anti-capitalist agenda. Maybe, Martin, you could see it, too -- if your nose wasn't so far up the posteriors of the Euro-trash you seem to so admire.


http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_041207/content/01125101.member.html

(The Associated Press: Actor Martin Sheen Says US Not Doing Enough to Battle Global Warming)

 

[maineman]

Translation - stop with all the evidence global warming is a hoax, carbon offests do nothing but make liberals feel better, and how Al Gore is buying them from his own company

no... please stop trying to "translate" my words. You are the LAST person on this site that ought to be translating anyone's words given your profound inability to express yourself in YOUR own words.

I really am growing tired of this. I have been asking you serious questions on a number of threads now for weeks, and you consistently refuse to answer any of them.

Why bother?

 

[red states rule]

no... please stop trying to "translate" my words. You are the LAST person on this site that ought to be translating anyone's words given your profound inability to express yourself in YOUR own words.

I really am growing tired of this. I have been asking you serious questions on a number of threads now for weeks, and you consistently refuse to answer any of them.

Why bother?

How the truth does hurt you

The liberal crap about carbon offsets has been proven to be nothing more then a slick way for libs to feel better over their energy use. They do not do anything to reduce curent energy use - they promise to invest in companies that promise to invest in future "green friendly" energy

 

[maineman]

How the truth does hurt you

The liberal crap about carbon offsets has been proven to be nothing more then a slick way for libs to feel better over their energy use. They do not do anything to reduce curent energy use - they promise to invest in companies that promise to invest in future "green friendly" energy

you've "proven" nothing of the sort. and you certainly have never addressed Gore's green electric use.

along with a dozen or so other questions that I have posed to you.

Will you ever get around to actually engaging in a dialog where you ANSWER any of them?

 

[red states rule]

you've "proven" nothing of the sort. and you certainly have never addressed Gore's green electric use.

along with a dozen or so other questions that I have posed to you.

Will you ever get around to actually engaging in a dialog where you ANSWER any of them?

Uncle Al's carbon offsets takes decades to even begin to recoup the energy he uses

Here is an great example of the feel good liberal efforts are pure crap


Offsetting your carbon footprint takes decades

SCHEMES used by environmentally conscious consumers to cut their “carbon footprint” could take up to a century to deliver the promised benefits, a study has suggested.

Researchers found it takes that length of time for “carbon offsetting” — which often involves the planting of trees in the developing world — to absorb the greenhouse gases emitted by a single flight.

Dozens of fortunes have been made in recent years by entrepreneurs offering people and businesses the chance to neutralise their carbon emissions for a fee.

The new research, carried out by scientists at the Tyndall Centre, based at the University of East Anglia, and Sweden’s Lund University, suggests that such schemes may, in fact, do little more than salve the consciences of those paying for them.

“What we are seeing here is the emergence of a new and completely unregulated financial market,” said Lund’s Professor Stefan Gossling, who led the study.

“These schemes may eventually recapture the carbon people emit now but will only finish the job after most of them have died. That is too long.”

The schemes studied by Gossling included one offered by British Airways to its passengers through Climate Care, a British carbon offsetting company.

It found that an offset bought through the scheme would take about 100 years to recapture the carbon emitted by a flight.

This is because Climate Care includes forestry in its offsetting portfolio, meaning that carbon emitted can be recaptured only as fast as a tree can grow.

The research coincides with a sharp rise in the political temperature over climate change. Last week EU leaders agreed to cut European carbon emissions by 20% from 1990 levels by 2020.

The voluntary carbon offsetting market has sprung from the same global concern over carbon emissions.

There are now dozens of companies charging fees to help people and organisations deal with their carbon emissions. One of the richest is Climate Change Capital, a merchant bank specialising in low-carbon investments, which controls funds of more than £500m and has made millionaires of its founders, James Cameron and Lionel Fretz.

The firm specialises in big industrial projects. Most offsetting companies prefer, however, to support smaller energy-efficiency projects and renewable energy schemes.

A favourite is to buy low-energy lightbulbs for distribution in developing countries. Such schemes can take years to recover the carbon emitted by, say, a flight, but when forestry is the chosen offset mechanism this can stretch into decades.

“When companies offer to offset a single flight over a period of 100 years then the schemes lose credibility,” said Gossling. “How can anyone predict the fate of a forest? A hundred years from now it could burn down and all that carbon would be released.”

Some forestry projects have ended in spectacular failures. Coldplay, the rock group, sponsored 10,000 mango trees in southern India to offset the environmental impact of its 2002 album, A Rush of Blood to the Head.

By last year, however, the trees, supplied by Future Forests, now The CarbonNeutral Company, had withered and died.

Jonathan Shopley, chief executive of The CarbonNeutral Company, said the firm had since moved out of forestry and in to schemes such as wind farms and low-energy lighting. “Any offsets taken out with us in future will recover the relevant carbon emissions within four years,” he said.

The turnover of the CarbonNeutral Company has risen sharply to £4m a year and it has just signed up Silverjet, a new air-line dedicated to business class passengers. It charges an average £999 for a return flight between New York and London — of which £11 goes towards offsetting each passenger’s carbon emissions.

David Wellington, managing director of Climate Care, said: “Many of the criticisms raised over offsetting were valid. This is a young industry and it is still settling down, but the standards are improving very fast. For example, we have already moved out of forestry into renewable energy projects that reduce the time over which offsets take effect.”

But others believe that carbon offsetting is deeply flawed. Dieter Helm, professor of energy policy at Oxford University, said it was little more than a mechanism to allow rich westerners to ease their consciences.

“What we are really doing is paying poor people to reduce their carbon emissions so that we can maintain our luxury lifestyles. If we really want to live sustainably we are going to have to accept the knocks and give up things like flying. In the end they are unsustainable,” he said.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1496888.ece

 

[maineman]

stop cutting and pasting and start using your own words....my patience is running thin.

 

[red states rule]

stop cutting and pasting and start using your own words....my patience is running thin.

your patience is always running thin with facts and the truth of how liberalism is a farce

 

[maineman]

your patience is always running thin with facts and the truth of how liberalism is a farce

no...I have tried to be as clear as I can possibly be on this issue:

I come to this site to use my words to carry on discussions with others. I ask questions...I answer questions.... I want to carry on a dialog with people.

I do not come to this site to read editorials cut and pasted from other sites. Period. I don't care if they are liberal sites or conservative sites. I don't care to come to this site to read articles extracted from other media sources.

I come to talk with people. You ask me questions. I answer them. I ask you questions, you NEVER answer them. I am just about at my wit's end here.... I say again: I would love to engage you, RSR, in debate on the issues that confront America and the world. If you are interested in doing so, please please please stop cutting and pasting and start using your own words to answer my questions and to argue your positions.

Barring that, I really will reluctantly put you on ignore. That is not a threat.... it is a promise. And don't for a minute try to swagger around with false bravado and try to paint that decision as one where I am avoiding you....I am avoiding your inability to think for yourself...that's all. God knows I have given you plenty of opportunity to change your MO.

It really is up to you....this is a crossroads. Where are we going?

 

[red states rule]

no...I have tried to be as clear as I can possibly be on this issue:

I come to this site to use my words to carry on discussions with others. I ask questions...I answer questions.... I want to carry on a dialog with people.

I do not come to this site to read editorials cut and pasted from other sites. Period. I don't care if they are liberal sites or conservative sites. I don't care to come to this site to read articles extracted from other media sources.

I come to talk with people. You ask me questions. I answer them. I ask you questions, you NEVER answer them. I am just about at my wit's end here.... I say again: I would love to engage you, RSR, in debate on the issues that confront America and the world. If you are interested in doing so, please please please stop cutting and pasting and start using your own words to answer my questions and to argue your positions.

Barring that, I really will reluctantly put you on ignore. That is not a threat.... it is a promise. And don't for a minute try to swagger around with false bravado and try to paint that decision as one where I am avoiding you....I am avoiding your inability to think for yourself...that's all. God knows I have given you plenty of opportunity to change your MO.

It really is up to you....this is a crossroads. Where are we going?

Transalation - do not post articles that blows my liberal ass out of the water

The above artilce shows how your carbon offsets do NOTHING to save energy

Another great example is a Dutch company that promised its suckers - er, customers, they would plant trees in Uganda and they would have a 99 year life span

However small problems like land disputes, and trees that have been chopped down by people living in the area have put that program on the dustbin of history

What idiot would invest in this scam - OK Al Gore and other tree huggers

http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache...lant+trees+in+uganda&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

 

[maineman]

adios.... we're all done.

get word to me somehow when you decide to start thinking for yourself.

 

[red states rule]

adios.... we're all done.

get word to me somehow when you decide to start thinking for yourself.

The facts have caused MM to leave this thread in sahme

 

[maineman]

And don't for a minute try to swagger around with false bravado and try to paint that decision as one where I am avoiding you....I am avoiding your inability to think for yourself...that's all. God knows I have given you plenty of opportunity to change your MO.

 

[red states rule]

And don't for a minute try to swagger around with false bravado and try to paint that decision as one where I am avoiding you....I am avoiding your inability to think for yourself...that's all. God knows I have given you plenty of opportunity to change your MO.

Did I post the article on the liberal scam in Uganda?

No I explained what was going on and you have another temper tanturm

You ran away from the evidence it take decade for "carbon offsets" to even start to do any good

Now change the subject or have another temper tantrum

 

[red states rule]

no... please stop trying to "translate" my words. You are the LAST person on this site that ought to be translating anyone's words given your profound inability to express yourself in YOUR own words.

I really am growing tired of this. I have been asking you serious questions on a number of threads now for weeks, and you consistently refuse to answer any of them.

Why bother?

Skiers Protest Global Warming Moments Before Record Snowstorm Arrives
Posted by Noel Sheppard on April 14, 2007 - 21:11.
Are those combustibles, potables, and sharp objects still in a safe place? Good, because the Silly Saturday Snowstorm Stories continue.

As reported Saturday morning by the Associated Press (emphasis added):

WILMINGTON, N.Y. -- Skiers unfurled a protest banner in April snow on Whiteface Mountain on Saturday to kick off a nationwide day of demonstrations aimed at drawing attention to global warming.

The skiers fear long-term temperature increases promise trouble for native plants, wildlife and people in the Adirondack Mountains of northern New York state.

Why is this funny? Well, because a massive snowstorm is heading directly to this area threatening to drop more of the white stuff ever seen in this part of the country in April. As reported by AccuWeather (emphasis added):


The Northeast looks good for snow later Saturday night into Sunday and Sunday night. Snow will develop along and ahead of a storm that will be coined as a classic nor'easter. An April snowstorm is not an unheard of event, but usually to get a foot of snow it takes a very special situation to dump that amount. This storm certainly has all of the classic markers. There is cold enough air near the focus of the storm, it is deepening and moving in during the night Saturday and strengthening later Saturday night into Sunday and moisture will continue to wrap westward as the storm really bombs out at the East Coast and moves northeastward. Right now, the storm looks to be most potent over northern Pennsylvania into interior New York and northward to New England. Some places are likely to get 2 feet of snow by the time Monday morning rolls in. Even snowfall up to a foot could fall across northern Pennsylvania and southern New York. This storm, of course, will probably break several snowfall records for the date in a few places.

Of course, Laurie David, the producer of Al Gore’s schlockumentary “An Inconvenient Truth,” will be telling college students she meets on her “Stop Global Warming” tour that this snowstorm is just another example of global warming.

The truly sad part is that she believes it, as do most of the alarmists in the media and around the country. After all, for them, if you say, "Snowstorm," they say, "Global warming."

Let's call the whole thing off. http://newsbusters.org/node/12042

 

[red states rule]

no... please stop trying to "translate" my words. You are the LAST person on this site that ought to be translating anyone's words given your profound inability to express yourself in YOUR own words.

I really am growing tired of this. I have been asking you serious questions on a number of threads now for weeks, and you consistently refuse to answer any of them.

Why bother?

Got this gem in an email


House 1:

The four-bedroom home was planned so that "every room has a
relationship with something in the landscape that's different
from the room next door. Each of the rooms feels like a slightly different place."

The resulting single-story house is a paragon of environmental
planning. The passive-solar house is built of honey-colored
native limestone and positioned to absorb winter sunlight,
warming the interior walkways and walls of the
4,000-square-foot residence. Geothermal heat pumps circulate
water through pipes buried 300 feet deep in the ground. These
waters pass through a heat exchange system that keeps the home
warm in winter and cool in summer. A 25,000-gallon underground
cistern collects rainwater gathered from roof urns; wastewater
from sinks, toilets, and showers cascades into underground
purifying tanks and is also funneled into the cistern. The water
from the cistern is then used to irrigate the landscaping around
the four-bedroom home, (which) uses indigenous grasses, shrubs, and
flowers to complete the exterior treatment of the home.

In addition to its minimal environmental impact, the look and layout
of the house reflect one of the paramount priorities: relaxation. A
spacious 10-foot porch wraps completely around the residence and beckons
the family outdoors. With few hallways to speak of, family and
guests make their way from room to room either directly or by
way of the porch. "The house doesn't hold you in. Where the
porch ends there is grass. There is no step-up at all."

This house consumes 25% of the energy of an average American
home.
(Source: Cowboys and Indians Magazine, Oct. 2002 and Chicago
Tribune April 2001.)

House 2:

This 20-room, 8-bathroom house consumes more electricity every
month than the average American household uses in an entire year. The
average household in America consumes 10,656 kilowatt-hours (kWh) per
year, according to the Department of Energy. In 2006, this house
devoured nearly 221,000 kWh, more than 20 times the national average.

Last August alone, the house burned through 22,619 kWh,
guzzling more than twice the electricity in one month than
an average American family uses in an entire year. As a result
of this energy consumption, the average monthly electric bill topped
$1,359.

Also, natural gas bills for this house and guest house averaged
$1,080 per month last year. In total, this house had nearly
$30,000 in combined electricity and natural gas bills for 2006.

(Source: just about anywhere in the news last month online and
on talk radio, but barely on TV.)

House 1 belongs to George and Laura Bush, and is in Crawford,
Texas.

House 2 belongs to Al and Tipper Gore, and is in Nashville,
Tennessee.

 

[Bern80]

Wow. You two just don't give up do you? Maine, if your so tired of the way he debates, here's a thought STOP RESPONDING TO HIM.

RSR quit being so obstinate.

I am tired of sifting through pages of crap between you two to find the most recent actually worthwhile piece of dialogue.

 

[red states rule]

Wow. You two just don't give up do you? Maine, if your so tired of the way he debates, here's a thought STOP RESPONDING TO HIM.

RSR quit being so obstinate.

I am tired of sifting through pages of crap between you two to find the most recent actually worthwhile piece of dialogue.

Obstinate? I am just posting facts that go against the liberal talking points

MM has left this thread (and others) in shame

 

[Bern80]

You both are extremely insistant that the other adhere only to the other's debate style and are both uwilling to do anything different. Maine's point is he would rather debate you and your ideas than debate the author's of the millions of articles you insist on posting in lieu of what you actually think. Case in point posting your offsetting carbon footprint article. Good read, but just put it into your own words with a link or something.

 

[red states rule]

You both are extremely insistant that the other adhere only to the other's debate style and are both uwilling to do anything different. Maine's point is he would rather debate you and your ideas than debate the author's of the millions of articles you insist on posting in lieu of what you actually think. Case in point posting your offsetting carbon footprint article. Good read, but just put it into your own words with a link or something.

I did - that is when MM fled the scene. I pointed out the scam where a company promisies to plant trees in Uganda

He was constantly saying how Uncle Al buys carbon offsets - yet when I show they do NOTHING, he heads for the hills

 

[Bern80]

I did - that is when MM fled the scene. I pointed out the scam where a company promisies to plant trees in Uganda

He was constantly saying how Uncle Al buys carbon offsets - yet when I show they do NOTHING, he heads for the hills

Hmmmm. Maybe that is the whole point. I'm not sure. Meaning to read through all your stuff whether interesting or not, takes time. Which I suppose is true of any truth finding endeavor and thus easier to just stick with what you believe.