Green New Deal

[Lesh]

Don't feed the troll. Stop quoting him

 

[iceberg]

a living wage isn't a gift, its a right. workers are often paid far less than the value they create. the minimum wage raise is the most important part of the Green Big Deal, my friends!

workers are often paid according to the value they create. having *a* job doesn't mean it's as profitable or needed as another. people determine that by how they spend their own $ on what is important to them.

the only thing you're guaranteed when you're born is you'll die. what happens between one point to the next is up to said person as the driving force.

 

[danielpalos]

Don't feed the troll. Stop quoting him

i don't mind "arguing those of the Opposing View, into argumentative submission", not Only for practice, but also just for fun.

 

[Lesh]

Don't feed the troll. Stop quoting him

i don't mind "arguing those of the Opposing View, into argumentative submission", not Only for practice, but also just for fun.

Well you're "arguing" with a troll. Trolls don't engage in honest discussion. If you have a point..make it but please do not feed the troll...unless trolling is what you are doing as well.

 

[danielpalos]

Don't feed the troll. Stop quoting him

i don't mind "arguing those of the Opposing View, into argumentative submission", not Only for practice, but also just for fun.

Well you're "arguing" with a troll. Trolls don't engage in honest discussion. If you have a point..make it but please do not feed the troll...unless trolling is what you are doing as well.

i don't need to troll; i have valid arguments.

 

[Cecilie1200]

a living wage isn't a gift, its a right. workers are often paid far less than the value they create. the minimum wage raise is the most important part of the Green Big Deal, my friends!

workers are often paid according to the value they create. having *a* job doesn't mean it's as profitable or needed as another. people determine that by how they spend their own $ on what is important to them.

the only thing you're guaranteed when you're born is you'll die. what happens between one point to the next is up to said person as the driving force.

You also have to ask, "How many other people would be able to do this job, if I wasn't doing it?"

 

[iceberg]

a living wage isn't a gift, its a right. workers are often paid far less than the value they create. the minimum wage raise is the most important part of the Green Big Deal, my friends!

workers are often paid according to the value they create. having *a* job doesn't mean it's as profitable or needed as another. people determine that by how they spend their own $ on what is important to them.

the only thing you're guaranteed when you're born is you'll die. what happens between one point to the next is up to said person as the driving force.

You also have to ask, "How many other people would be able to do this job, if I wasn't doing it?"

that's huge. while it's honorable to work say fast food if that's how you make your living, it's not realistic to think you'll make as much as an EMT or other professions.

 

[Cecilie1200]

a living wage isn't a gift, its a right. workers are often paid far less than the value they create. the minimum wage raise is the most important part of the Green Big Deal, my friends!

workers are often paid according to the value they create. having *a* job doesn't mean it's as profitable or needed as another. people determine that by how they spend their own $ on what is important to them.

the only thing you're guaranteed when you're born is you'll die. what happens between one point to the next is up to said person as the driving force.

You also have to ask, "How many other people would be able to do this job, if I wasn't doing it?"

that's huge. while it's honorable to work say fast food if that's how you make your living, it's not realistic to think you'll make as much as an EMT or other professions.

Exactly. That's the very reason why movie stars and professional athletes make as much as they do: because there are very few people in the world who can do what they do as well as they do it.

I know that there are a lot of people out there who have the same basic qualifications for my job that I do, so I concentrate on highlighting the things I can provide that my boss can't necessarily count on finding in another person: my serious OCD when it comes to details, my freakish talent for organizing and creating more efficient systems for info management, and my serious dislike for complaining and drama. Not only will my work be done quickly and correctly, but I will find ways to make everyone else's job easier to do, and I won't be a pain in the ass to share an office space with. I get bigger raises at my yearly review because of this.

But that being said, I'm still aware that I'm not the most difficult person in the world to replace, and I don't expect to get paid as if I am. This is why I am currently working on upgrading my career to something in far greater demand and shorter supply.

 

[basquebromance]

Extreme inequality is a global crisis, it fractures societies and it hurts all of us in the long run and it prevents people from lifting themselves out of poverty

 

[danielpalos]

Extreme inequality is a global crisis, it fractures societies and it hurts all of us in the long run and it prevents people from lifting themselves out of poverty

Equal protection of the law is socialism not capitalism.

 

[Flopper]

I don't remember any new car in the deal.

It was a hypothetical.

Oh, good. I didn't really want a new anyway.

You didn't want to get the point either. And that is if you tell Americans that government will give them something, very few will refuse it.

Would you refuse free healthcare? Of course not. If I phrase the question a little differently, would you support government free healthcare paid for by the government out of taxes, would you support it? People are not near as stupid as you think.

If for one minute you feel healthcare would be free, yes people are that stupid.

Of course it has to be paid for but by who and when. I have not read the Medicare for All proposal but I would guess a large share of the cost would be defrayed to businesses, the wealthy, and possibly future generations. In today's world it's quite reasonable that many people would not consider the costs because much of today's cost of goverment is not paid directly by the end user of government services.

 

[danielpalos]

Our welfare clause is General and we have a Commerce Clause;

are there no Capitalists who can

make money via public policies instead of only lose money?

All it should require is a petty cash fund for that purpose, for any Good socialist.

 

[Lesh]

The Green New Deal does almost what the New Deal did in terms of jobs and benefit to the country...as well as dealing with a problem that is ALREADY showing to be an issue and which will only get worse

 

[Thinker101]

It was a hypothetical.

Oh, good. I didn't really want a new anyway.

You didn't want to get the point either. And that is if you tell Americans that government will give them something, very few will refuse it.

Would you refuse free healthcare? Of course not. If I phrase the question a little differently, would you support government free healthcare paid for by the government out of taxes, would you support it? People are not near as stupid as you think.

If for one minute you feel healthcare would be free, yes people are that stupid.

Of course it has to be paid for but by who and when. I have not read the Medicare for All proposal but I would guess a large share of the cost would be defrayed to businesses, the wealthy, and possibly future generations. In today's world it's quite reasonable that many people would not consider the costs because much of today's cost of goverment is not paid directly by the end user of government services.

Latest guesstimates suggest Medicare for all would cost about $3 TRILLION per year. You seem to feel that a large share of that cost would be, for one, defrayed to businesses. Hate to tell ya, but if businesses were required to pay a huge portion many of those business would be either leaving the U.S., or passing that cost on to the consumer. Now as far as the wealthy paying for a portion, you may want to check into who is considered "wealthy". Meaning if you have any money at all, you could be among the wealthy.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

 

[Lesh]

Medicare for all is NOT the Green New Deal. Poster seems to have gotten lost

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

It was a hypothetical.

Oh, good. I didn't really want a new anyway.

You didn't want to get the point either. And that is if you tell Americans that government will give them something, very few will refuse it.

Would you refuse free healthcare? Of course not. If I phrase the question a little differently, would you support government free healthcare paid for by the government out of taxes, would you support it? People are not near as stupid as you think.

If for one minute you feel healthcare would be free, yes people are that stupid.

Of course it has to be paid for but by who and when. I have not read the Medicare for All proposal but I would guess a large share of the cost would be defrayed to businesses, the wealthy, and possibly future generations. In today's world it's quite reasonable that many people would not consider the costs because much of today's cost of goverment is not paid directly by the end user of government services.

And that's the problem. Things like this get support because Democrats promise you won't have to pay for it. It's yours at no cost.

Let's talk about fair. If you want Medicare for all, institute a consumption tax of 20 cents on the dollar. You'd see how fast that idea loses support.

 

[Lesh]

So what you want to do is use hyperbole to make anything useful seem too expensive.

You fuckers used the same tactics with Obamacare...and it worked...until people realized that you were full of shit

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So what you want to do is use hyperbole to make anything useful seem too expensive.

You fuckers used the same tactics with Obamacare...and it worked...until people realized that you were full of shit

How did it work? It's still plaguing our nation, isn't it?

Free college--tax the rich.
Free healthcare--tax the rich.
New infrastructure--tax the rich.
Fight global warming--tax the rich.
Better primary education---tax the rich.
Trains to nowhere--tax the rich.

John Stossel: Tax The Rich? The Rich Don't Have Enough. Really.

 

[Lesh]

Approval for the ACA climbed rapidly after implementation.

You dispute that?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Approval for the ACA climbed rapidly after implementation.

You dispute that?

That's because of the MSM lies and the fact most people never used Commie Care.