Green New Deal

[Cecilie1200]

As someone who cares very much about the world we are leaving to our children and grandchildren, I will, on considering the issues of the environment and climate science, vote for the people aggressively addressing both over someone aggressively resisting actions to them.

I don't have any delusions that all of the green new deal would pass congress (or even muster) , but I don't expect my favorite sports teams to go undefeated, either. Nobody gets everything they want. This is about moving the needle in what i see as the right direction. Even a lot of old school republicans satisfy this for me, though most of them have now retired or are being shouted down.

Do I think we will go all solar or wind in 15 years? Of course not. Couldn't happen. But, with so much resistance to ANY action, I both understand and encourage people to push that much harder in the other direction. Ask for the world, and be happy to end up with something. Anything. Baby steps.

I just heard, "Doing something so I can feel like I'm a good person is all that matters to me, results be damned!"

 

[Cecilie1200]

Democrats backing the Green New Deal (GND) "are talking about trains to Hawaii," TRUMP said. "They haven't figured out how to get to Europe yet." He begged the Democrats not to abandon the GND because he recognizes that the more its details and costs are discussed, the more absurd it will become. "When the wind stops blowing, that's the end of your energy," he said at one point. "Did the wind stop blowing, I'd like to watch television today, guys?" "We'll go back to boats," he said, drawing huge laughs when he added, "I don't want to talk [the Democrats] out of [the GND], I just want to be the Republican who runs against it."

"Trains to Hawaii" is one of Trump's exaggerations. I just love this shit. Some democrat, not even running for office says we should put more money in rails to solve traffic congestion. That turns into a democrat plan to expand rails to replace highways which becomes the democrat plan to replace all cars with trains which becomes trains to Hawaii, around the world and to to moon.

No, this is just one of the left's attempts at underplaying. She didn't say, "Put more money into rails to solve traffic congestion." If she had, THAT might have warranted treating like a serious adult proposal, rather than the arrogantly peurile crap she actually spewed.

“Build out highspeed rail at a scale where air travel stops becoming necessary”.

Don't even bother trying to "explain" how she meant something other than what she said, and don't waste our time pretending the REAL problem you're pissed about is that we took her words at face value and extrapolated them out to the logical conclusion.

 

[Thinker101]

You didn't want to get the point either. And that is if you tell Americans that government will give them something, very few will refuse it.

Would you refuse free healthcare? Of course not. If I phrase the question a little differently, would you support government free healthcare paid for by the government out of taxes, would you support it? People are not near as stupid as you think.

If for one minute you feel healthcare would be free, yes people are that stupid.

Of course it has to be paid for but by who and when. I have not read the Medicare for All proposal but I would guess a large share of the cost would be defrayed to businesses, the wealthy, and possibly future generations. In today's world it's quite reasonable that many people would not consider the costs because much of today's cost of goverment is not paid directly by the end user of government services.

Latest guesstimates suggest Medicare for all would cost about $3 TRILLION per year. You seem to feel that a large share of that cost would be, for one, defrayed to businesses. Hate to tell ya, but if businesses were required to pay a huge portion many of those business would be either leaving the U.S., or passing that cost on to the consumer. Now as far as the wealthy paying for a portion, you may want to check into who is considered "wealthy". Meaning if you have any money at all, you could be among the wealthy.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Anyone who thinks we're miraculously going to manage to copy "other industrialized nations" in having single-payer healthcare without copying their murderously high tax rates for everyone AND their rationing is insane.

And you're thinking liberals think that far ahead?

 

[Cecilie1200]

Would you refuse free healthcare? Of course not. If I phrase the question a little differently, would you support government free healthcare paid for by the government out of taxes, would you support it? People are not near as stupid as you think.

If for one minute you feel healthcare would be free, yes people are that stupid.

Of course it has to be paid for but by who and when. I have not read the Medicare for All proposal but I would guess a large share of the cost would be defrayed to businesses, the wealthy, and possibly future generations. In today's world it's quite reasonable that many people would not consider the costs because much of today's cost of goverment is not paid directly by the end user of government services.

Latest guesstimates suggest Medicare for all would cost about $3 TRILLION per year. You seem to feel that a large share of that cost would be, for one, defrayed to businesses. Hate to tell ya, but if businesses were required to pay a huge portion many of those business would be either leaving the U.S., or passing that cost on to the consumer. Now as far as the wealthy paying for a portion, you may want to check into who is considered "wealthy". Meaning if you have any money at all, you could be among the wealthy.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Anyone who thinks we're miraculously going to manage to copy "other industrialized nations" in having single-payer healthcare without copying their murderously high tax rates for everyone AND their rationing is insane.

And you're thinking liberals think that far ahead?

No, the fact that we keep having to explain it over and over ad nauseam is a pretty good indication that they won't.

 

[Thinker101]

If for one minute you feel healthcare would be free, yes people are that stupid.

Of course it has to be paid for but by who and when. I have not read the Medicare for All proposal but I would guess a large share of the cost would be defrayed to businesses, the wealthy, and possibly future generations. In today's world it's quite reasonable that many people would not consider the costs because much of today's cost of goverment is not paid directly by the end user of government services.

Latest guesstimates suggest Medicare for all would cost about $3 TRILLION per year. You seem to feel that a large share of that cost would be, for one, defrayed to businesses. Hate to tell ya, but if businesses were required to pay a huge portion many of those business would be either leaving the U.S., or passing that cost on to the consumer. Now as far as the wealthy paying for a portion, you may want to check into who is considered "wealthy". Meaning if you have any money at all, you could be among the wealthy.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Anyone who thinks we're miraculously going to manage to copy "other industrialized nations" in having single-payer healthcare without copying their murderously high tax rates for everyone AND their rationing is insane.

And you're thinking liberals think that far ahead?

No, the fact that we keep having to explain it over and over ad nauseam is a pretty good indication that they won't.

Yup, I'm certainly not opposed to "free" stuff, but where the heck is my free stuff.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Of course it has to be paid for but by who and when. I have not read the Medicare for All proposal but I would guess a large share of the cost would be defrayed to businesses, the wealthy, and possibly future generations. In today's world it's quite reasonable that many people would not consider the costs because much of today's cost of goverment is not paid directly by the end user of government services.

Latest guesstimates suggest Medicare for all would cost about $3 TRILLION per year. You seem to feel that a large share of that cost would be, for one, defrayed to businesses. Hate to tell ya, but if businesses were required to pay a huge portion many of those business would be either leaving the U.S., or passing that cost on to the consumer. Now as far as the wealthy paying for a portion, you may want to check into who is considered "wealthy". Meaning if you have any money at all, you could be among the wealthy.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Anyone who thinks we're miraculously going to manage to copy "other industrialized nations" in having single-payer healthcare without copying their murderously high tax rates for everyone AND their rationing is insane.

And you're thinking liberals think that far ahead?

No, the fact that we keep having to explain it over and over ad nauseam is a pretty good indication that they won't.

Yup, I'm certainly not opposed to "free" stuff, but where the heck is my free stuff.

I guess if they have their way, you can just quit your job and coast off the "free stuff" from other people . . . until THEY also quit their jobs.

 

[Lesh]

I just heard, "Doing something so I can feel like I'm a good person is all that matters to me, results be damned!"

You "hear" what you want to hear. Too bad that's not at all what was said. Might I suggest a hearing "aid"?

 

[Lesh]

Democrats backing the Green New Deal (GND) "are talking about trains to Hawaii," TRUMP said. "They haven't figured out how to get to Europe yet." He begged the Democrats not to abandon the GND because he recognizes that the more its details and costs are discussed, the more absurd it will become. "When the wind stops blowing, that's the end of your energy," he said at one point. "Did the wind stop blowing, I'd like to watch television today, guys?" "We'll go back to boats," he said, drawing huge laughs when he added, "I don't want to talk [the Democrats] out of [the GND], I just want to be the Republican who runs against it."

"Trains to Hawaii" is one of Trump's exaggerations. I just love this shit. Some democrat, not even running for office says we should put more money in rails to solve traffic congestion. That turns into a democrat plan to expand rails to replace highways which becomes the democrat plan to replace all cars with trains which becomes trains to Hawaii, around the world and to to moon.

No, this is just one of the left's attempts at underplaying. She didn't say, "Put more money into rails to solve traffic congestion." If she had, THAT might have warranted treating like a serious adult proposal, rather than the arrogantly peurile crap she actually spewed.

“Build out highspeed rail at a scale where air travel stops becoming necessary”.

Don't even bother trying to "explain" how she meant something other than what she said, and don't waste our time pretending the REAL problem you're pissed about is that we took her words at face value and extrapolated them out to the logical conclusion.

Parsing words?

I'll send her a note to have her check with YOU as to how she should phrase her public statements.

I'm sure she'll be about as receptive to that as I am to your stupid partisan posts

 

[basquebromance]

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's mother tells how she hopes her daughter marries her longtime boyfriend | Daily Mail Online

 

[basquebromance]

"Those who call themselves socialists are depressed, have no sense of humour and attend an expensive college. fate loves irony" - Marvelous Elon Musk

 

[basquebromance]

socialism is about only one thing: power for the ruling class. people we hate are gonna run the country if we don't re-elect Trump!

 

[Lesh]

Our board troll is busy huh?

It even got lost

 

[Flopper]

Today, and everyday, is a good day to remember climate change not only threatens the people around us, but the creatures as well. Animals are on the front lines of climate change. We must use our voices to speak up for those who can't.

Coral, polar bears, and frogs are among the species that are already being to take a hit by global warming and it's hardly even started.

 

[Lesh]

Don't quote the troll

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Today, and everyday, is a good day to remember climate change not only threatens the people around us, but the creatures as well. Animals are on the front lines of climate change. We must use our voices to speak up for those who can't.

Coral, polar bears, and frogs are among the species that are already being hit by global warming and it's hardly even started.

It's a kind of natural selection becoming more dominant (for now): Selection of the Fastest

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/eva.12004

 

[Flopper]

Democrats backing the Green New Deal (GND) "are talking about trains to Hawaii," TRUMP said. "They haven't figured out how to get to Europe yet." He begged the Democrats not to abandon the GND because he recognizes that the more its details and costs are discussed, the more absurd it will become. "When the wind stops blowing, that's the end of your energy," he said at one point. "Did the wind stop blowing, I'd like to watch television today, guys?" "We'll go back to boats," he said, drawing huge laughs when he added, "I don't want to talk [the Democrats] out of [the GND], I just want to be the Republican who runs against it."

"Trains to Hawaii" is one of Trump's exaggerations. I just love this shit. Some democrat, not even running for office says we should put more money in rails to solve traffic congestion. That turns into a democrat plan to expand rails to replace highways which becomes the democrat plan to replace all cars with trains which becomes trains to Hawaii, around the world and to to moon.

No, this is just one of the left's attempts at underplaying. She didn't say, "Put more money into rails to solve traffic congestion." If she had, THAT might have warranted treating like a serious adult proposal, rather than the arrogantly peurile crap she actually spewed.

“Build out highspeed rail at a scale where air travel stops becoming necessary”.

Don't even bother trying to "explain" how she meant something other than what she said, and don't waste our time pretending the REAL problem you're pissed about is that we took her words at face value and extrapolated them out to the logical conclusion.

The compete quote, which was poorly worded comes from the FAQ's which reads:
"Totally overhaul transportation by massively expanding electric vehicle manufacturing, build charging stations everywhere, build out highspeed rail at a scale where air travel stops becoming necessary, create affordable public transit available to all, with goal to replace every combustion-engine vehicle". There is no mention of Hawaii. However the context of the statement is eliminating the need for internal combustion engines. The last time I checked, no one is driving car to Hawaii.

 

[Lesh]

The compete quote, which was poorly worded comes from the FAQ's which reads:
"Totally overhaul transportation by massively expanding electric vehicle manufacturing, build charging stations everywhere, build out highspeed rail at a scale where air travel stops becoming necessary, create affordable public transit available to all, with goal to replace every combustion-engine vehicle". There is no mention of Hawaii. However the context of the statement is eliminating the need for internal combustion engines. The last time I checked, no one is driving car to Hawaii.

A whole lot different in that context huh...

Thanks

 

[basquebromance]

one can only laugh at the lunatic fringe's lunatic theory of global warming. HA. This is me laughing. HAHAHAHA!

 

[Lesh]

Our resident troll is a Climate Denier today...and tomorrow he'll be a supporter

 

[basquebromance]

We need to be AGGRESSIVE in transforming our energy system and saving the planet. look how aggressive i am: GRRRRRRRRRRR.