Greenland melt

[Crick]

So, if the annual snowfall/frost accumulation "melts," how can there be ice cores??

LOL!!

Because, as the world got colder, it didn't.

God are you stupid.

 

[LaDexter]

The world got colder - that's why Antarctica and Greenland are manufacturing annual ice age ice cores?

And you call others "stupid..."

 

[Crick]

Manufacturing cores? What is that actually supposed to mean?

 

[LaDexter]

In the beginning of an ice age, snow accumulates, and the annual snow accumulation becomes the annual ice core. When glaciers get to the size they are on Antarctica now, there really isn't snow, what accumulates is essentially frost. So whether you use the term "manufacture" or "accumulate" or another term, the result is the same - the glacier adds ice and thickens EVERY YEAR. That is what Greenland has done for the past 800k years, and what Antarctica has done for the past 50 million years...

 

[Moonglow]

Sublimation or melt, the result is the same. The water ends up in the ocean. How do you 'greatly exaggerate' the measured amount of ice that is leaving Greenland every year? And how do you exaggerate the increase in that amount. And the measured increase in the rate of glacial flow into the ocean that we are seeing both in Greenland and Antarctica.

Mr. Flacaltenn, you are playing with words, trying to destroy their meaning.

Isn't Greenland positioned upon volcanoes? Why would it surprise anyone when the snow and ice melts when the volcano becomes active?

 

[Crick]

Greenland ice core data

Unsmoothed, reconstructed temperature data for the last 1,420 years

What's been happening to Greenland's snowfall for the last 60 years or so

Greenland Heat Spike 14 KYBP
This Antarctic data shows the same pattern as Greenland, with a spike in the temperature rise during the emergence from the LGM [Last Glacial Maximum] about 15000 years ago.

 

[Crick]

In the beginning of an ice age, snow accumulates, and the annual snow accumulation becomes the annual ice core. When glaciers get to the size they are on Antarctica now, there really isn't snow, what accumulates is essentially frost. So whether you use the term "manufacture" or "accumulate" or another term, the result is the same - the glacier adds ice and thickens EVERY YEAR. That is what Greenland has done for the past 800k years, and what Antarctica has done for the past 50 million years...

And what do you believe happens when the weather gets warmer and the melt outpaces the fall?

 

[LaDexter]

And what do you believe happens when the weather gets warmer and the melt outpaces the fall?

For ice ages on Earth, there are two ends to the ice. The first is when the ice pushes out over ocean and breaks off in the form of an iceberg, which is still FROZEN. The second is when the ice pushes far enough away from the Pole on land to the point where the increased sunlight melts it, which is what happened during the North American ice age around Indiana.

"The weather gets warmer" the further away from the pole you get...

 

[Crick]

So, at some point, the summer melt will exceed the winter snow fall. Got it.

 

[LaDexter]

So, at some point, the summer melt will exceed the winter snow fall. Got it.

The data from Antarctica, Greenland, and the NA ice age all suggest that point is at least 150 miles outside of the polar circle...

 

[Crick]

I was referring to a point in time, not in space. If Greenland is going to shift between completely covered with ice and completely uncovered, at some point (IN TIME) it has to start melting faster than it's collecting snow.

That said, WHAT DATA indicate "that point is at least 150 miles outside the Arctic Circle"? What "point" are you talking about?

 

[LaDexter]

Actually, according to this map, Greenland's ice extends about 300 miles outside the Arctic Circle.

Unlike your side, I err on the side of caution.

Start an ice age with land to run, and in a million years those glaciers will be hundreds of miles outside of the polar circle...

 

[Old Rocks]

LaDumbkopf, how about a link to a site with the slightest bit of credibility to show us how that is going to happen. You cannot even show your silly claim that North America and Greenland have opposing ice cycles.

 

[LaDexter]

how about a link to a site with the slightest bit of credibility to show us how that is going to happen

The ice is already there, 'tard. It chased the Vikings off the southern tip of Greenland in the 1400s... one of the talking points of the Global Cooling scam of the 1970s...

 

[Crick]

You're babbling nonsense. To go from covered with ice to no ice, Greenland had to cross a point where it was melting faster than it was accumulating snow. I think I could explain that to my cat but you seem to be having trouble. What is your problem?

 

[LaDexter]

Problem - the history of Greenland shows the ice age came from the north, and has not stopped, and has yet to "retreat," which is why the land the Vikings farmed 600 years ago is now under hundreds of feet of ice age glacier...

 

[Weatherman2020]

Greenland Ice Sheet Today | Surface Melt Data presented by NSIDC

Very close to the record melt year of 2012.

Great news. More livable land for mankind.

 

[Crick]

Bad news. Greenland ice sheet has enough water to raise sea level 70 feet. You will lose more land to rising sea levels worldwide (think "Saltwater Intrusion") than you will gain in Greenland.

 

[LaDexter]

Good News - Greenland ice age still manufacturing annual ice core - ice thickening every year despite Tippy fudge and lies...


Study Reveals The Inconvenient Truth About Greenland’s Ice Sheet — It’s Thickening!

 

[jc456]

Bad news. Greenland ice sheet has enough water to raise sea level 70 feet. You will lose more land to rising sea levels worldwide (think "Saltwater Intrusion") than you will gain in Greenland.

how will that happen exactly?