Gun culture or parenting culture?

[2aguy]

And how many criminals entered prison as atheists and found religion?

And atheists are over represented in the mass murder of 100 million innocent men, women and children since 1917.....there is that.....

No doubt that Atheist supremacists mass murdered under Communist regimes.

But, what about the common prisoner?

Again, you would have to show that they weren't atheists going in and didn't convert after going in....

The mass murderers after 1917 were atheists......from the national socialist leadership to the communists....atheism is what they believed.....though there were some pagans among the national socialists...

National Socialists were not Atheists, but were a mix of faiths, while Paganism, Islam, Hinduism, and Buddhism were commonly supported by high ranking Nazis, the lower you got in ranks, the more Protestant, and Catholic they became.

As for prisoners being less likely to be Atheist, if it's true that they're being converted in prison, how does that do any favors to religion?

The ones ordering the murder were atheists and pagans. Religion in prison has turned people away from lives of crime......

I'm highly doubtful that religion does anything to deter crime, Blacks, Hispanics, Muslims, and White trash are all typically very religious, and also more criminal.

What evidence do you have for high ranking Nazis being Atheists?

Nazis had belts which said Gott Mit Uns, which means God is with us.

I've read before that while Nazis were able to support a variety of faiths, they could not be Atheist, or Jews.

Nazis also used the Hindu swastika....did that make them Hindus? The SS followed a pagan religion they made up......and the atheists...I'll get back to you......

 

[2aguy]

yes they do want it because no one is doing anything about it but whining that the government should do something
Charity starts at home
Change starts with the individual

bottom up not top down if people won't make the effort to change then no amount of government spending is going to make a difference

Basically you're just throwing excuses as to why nothing should happen. Great. Well then live in your own filth and don't come whining when people get shot, or robbed or attacked.

but you see i don't live in my own filth. I take action to make my life what it is and I don't wait for some government hack to tell me what's good for me.

the people who do nothing want to be where they are and we don't need to waste money on them

But you do. You live in a society with a murder rate that is 4 times too high, with too much violence, with too many fat people, with too many selfish people, with too many problems. The problem seems to be that you're so used to it, you don't care.

You're just looking for excuses to do nothing. It's quite sad.

Actually I don't live in a place where the murder rate is high. I don't live in an urban shit hole and the crime rate is low and people actually try to make something of themselves.

I am not responsible for the people who make choices not to better themselves choosing to do nothing is a choice and I have no right to tell people to make different choices

Yes, you have no responsibility to your society. You are an island, an individual who doesn't have to care about what is going on around them..... You don't care about other people, you don't care about anything other than yourself. There's a word for this, it's "selfish"

We do have a responsibility to our society....and armed Americans use their guns to stop violent criminals 1,500,000 times a year...according to bill clinton and barak obama.......that means more than 1,500,000 crimes actually stopped for the criminals captured or killed.....lives saved....helping our society.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I found a local gun story that I wanted to share because the accused is a minor. Kids with guns are not all that unusual (especially here in Cleveland) but what I found most telling is the response of the mother.

In short, this kid was arrested for having BB gun in a public park (very similar to the Tamir Rice situation) a year earlier. The judge went easy on the kid, but now the 16 year old was busted having a real loaded gun. Here are some quotes from the mother:

"He has to learn the right way. I can't stop him." When the I TEAM asked where he got the gun this time, his mother said, "I don't know. Don't know. He was using it for protection. He was walking down the street and people would shoot at him. Nowadays, that's what you need for protection. I don't consider it a good thing."

That mom says she did talk to her son before the Parma BB gun incident and after it. Didn’t matter. She said, “Kids these days need to learn their own lessons. He's learning his lessons."

Teen caught with BB gun at Parma park now busted with gun; mom says she can’t stop him

With the path this kid is on, it's more than likely he'll be dead or in prison for murder the next decade. Then the left will blame the guns.

Another thing that struck me: she said "I don't know, and I can't stop him." Not "We can't stop him" as if there was a father figure around. This woman practically justified her son illegally carrying a likely stolen gun underage. When he gets older and arrested for shooting somebody, I'm sure the mother will once again respond to a news interview by saying "My baby didn't do nutting wrong, he's a good boy." If he gets gunned down in the street, well........then I guess he "learned his own lessons."

There is more to it than a parenting problem. There's a society problem.

In what world do kids think they need weapons to protect themselves? Well, in a society that is failing to protect people, to instill morals into kids and all of that.

The right love to say how it's the parents' fault. The problem is that the right will also push the very same parents to work 80 hours a week so the rich can get richer. They also don't place any responsibility on schools to help deal with all the issues out there. So, the right essentially like to create the environment for this kind of thing, and then bitch and moan that the parents aren't doing anything about it.

According to the LEFT, women who stay home and raise their kids are FREELOADERS.

Really? Who is the spokesman for the left who said this? I certainly didn't. And you're talking with me rather than "the LEFT".

I was responding to this:
The right love to say how it's the parents' fault. The problem is that the right will also push the very same parents to work 80 hours a week so the rich can get richer. They also don't place any responsibility on schools to help deal with all the issues out there. So, the right essentially like to create the environment for this kind of thing, and then bitch and moan that the parents aren't doing anything about it.

You didn't come up with a spokesperson for your "blame the right" comments. It's common knowledge that lefties don't like women who stay home and raise kids:

As recent as 2012, CNN commentator and close friend to the administration, Hilary Rosen, stated that Ann Romney never worked a day in her life because she is a stay at home mom. Obama vehemently denies any connection with this statement but he proves it through his statement “women should never give up income to raise a family” because he equates the only form of working as a tax-paying job.

It's "common knowledge", code word for "I don't have any evidence, I just believe this is the case and I'll act as if it's a fact" nonsense.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Basically you're just throwing excuses as to why nothing should happen. Great. Well then live in your own filth and don't come whining when people get shot, or robbed or attacked.

but you see i don't live in my own filth. I take action to make my life what it is and I don't wait for some government hack to tell me what's good for me.

the people who do nothing want to be where they are and we don't need to waste money on them

But you do. You live in a society with a murder rate that is 4 times too high, with too much violence, with too many fat people, with too many selfish people, with too many problems. The problem seems to be that you're so used to it, you don't care.

You're just looking for excuses to do nothing. It's quite sad.

Actually I don't live in a place where the murder rate is high. I don't live in an urban shit hole and the crime rate is low and people actually try to make something of themselves.

I am not responsible for the people who make choices not to better themselves choosing to do nothing is a choice and I have no right to tell people to make different choices

Yes, you have no responsibility to your society. You are an island, an individual who doesn't have to care about what is going on around them..... You don't care about other people, you don't care about anything other than yourself. There's a word for this, it's "selfish"

We do have a responsibility to our society....and armed Americans use their guns to stop violent criminals 1,500,000 times a year...according to bill clinton and barak obama.......that means more than 1,500,000 crimes actually stopped for the criminals captured or killed.....lives saved....helping our society.

The Swastika was ingrained in many cultures, I've heard before Hitler saw the Swastika at a local church, not sure how true that is, but it is certainly possible.

 

[2aguy]

but you see i don't live in my own filth. I take action to make my life what it is and I don't wait for some government hack to tell me what's good for me.

the people who do nothing want to be where they are and we don't need to waste money on them

But you do. You live in a society with a murder rate that is 4 times too high, with too much violence, with too many fat people, with too many selfish people, with too many problems. The problem seems to be that you're so used to it, you don't care.

You're just looking for excuses to do nothing. It's quite sad.

Actually I don't live in a place where the murder rate is high. I don't live in an urban shit hole and the crime rate is low and people actually try to make something of themselves.

I am not responsible for the people who make choices not to better themselves choosing to do nothing is a choice and I have no right to tell people to make different choices

Yes, you have no responsibility to your society. You are an island, an individual who doesn't have to care about what is going on around them..... You don't care about other people, you don't care about anything other than yourself. There's a word for this, it's "selfish"

We do have a responsibility to our society....and armed Americans use their guns to stop violent criminals 1,500,000 times a year...according to bill clinton and barak obama.......that means more than 1,500,000 crimes actually stopped for the criminals captured or killed.....lives saved....helping our society.

The Swastika was ingrained in many cultures, I've heard before Hitler saw the Swastika at a local church, not sure how true that is, but it is certainly possible.

Because he used the swastika, does that make him anymore a hindu than having God is with us on belt buckles? And of course we have the true blue atheists, the international socialists who murdered more people, in more countries than the national socialists did.......

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

But you do. You live in a society with a murder rate that is 4 times too high, with too much violence, with too many fat people, with too many selfish people, with too many problems. The problem seems to be that you're so used to it, you don't care.

You're just looking for excuses to do nothing. It's quite sad.

Actually I don't live in a place where the murder rate is high. I don't live in an urban shit hole and the crime rate is low and people actually try to make something of themselves.

I am not responsible for the people who make choices not to better themselves choosing to do nothing is a choice and I have no right to tell people to make different choices

Yes, you have no responsibility to your society. You are an island, an individual who doesn't have to care about what is going on around them..... You don't care about other people, you don't care about anything other than yourself. There's a word for this, it's "selfish"

We do have a responsibility to our society....and armed Americans use their guns to stop violent criminals 1,500,000 times a year...according to bill clinton and barak obama.......that means more than 1,500,000 crimes actually stopped for the criminals captured or killed.....lives saved....helping our society.

The Swastika was ingrained in many cultures, I've heard before Hitler saw the Swastika at a local church, not sure how true that is, but it is certainly possible.

Because he used the swastika, does that make him anymore a hindu than having God is with us on belt buckles? And of course we have the true blue atheists, the international socialists who murdered more people, in more countries than the national socialists did.......

Atheists definitely made up a disproportionate amount of mass murderers, but not regular civilian murderers who are usually more religious.

Personally I'm Agnostic, but I lean towards beliefs that the Universe is a Godly organism, which would explain why we all play God, and why we don't see God.

But, I don't really know the truth, no one does, and I think both hardcore Theists, and hardcore Atheists can be pretty startling in their views of thinking they know it all, downright ignorance, and arrogance in my eyes.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The problem is "shouldn't" and reality are two very different things.

And that's what really needs to be addressed.

Well, yes. And this is what I'm doing.

It's fine to say parents should be bringing their kids up properly. But the reality is they aren't.

So two choices. The first is to take over and try and put the kids on a good course.

The second is to shrug your shoulders and say "it's the way it is".

The first allows for society to change for the positive. For kids who are born on the wrong side of the tracks to get pushed along the right line. The second allows for the problems to get worse and worse with every generation, with an attitude of "the system is against us" which makes it harder and harder to solve.

Sorry, but it shouldn't be up to government to take care of other people's kids. If we are going to do that, take them from the parents and put them in an orphanage. At least that way it will take some of the incentive of having children for more government handouts.

Speaking of which, government handouts are the main problem. However dare anybody say cut down on those, the liberals cry "WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN???" Our government even takes care of children who's parents are here illegally. So what the hell, why not have as many children as you like? It's not like you're middle-class or something and have to support them yourself.

And again, we're back to "should" and reality. No, it SHOULDN'T be up to the govt to take care of kids, but it is. Why? Well, because something has gone wrong in society and if govt doesn't put it right, then it never will be.

As for orphanages, is this best for the kids? If it is, then yes, they should go, but it would seem orphanages are grim places to grow up in, so.... you're stuck between a rock and a hard place. better to spend the money on educating them, rather than sticking them in orphanages.

Yes, there is a problem with government handouts. But there are lots of problems. The question is, what are the solutions. And yes, there are liberals who scream blue murder if you threaten to take away their funding. I've been accused of being all sorts of things by liberals for my views too.

The solution to government handouts? Quit giving government handouts.

With the last generation of poverty people, what about the children?
With this generation of poverty people, what about the children?
With the next generation of poverty people, what about the children?

If we don't put a stop to it at some point, ten generations from now, it will be What about the children?

The problem is that some people try and make out that government handouts are just people on the take.

Unemployment benefits, disability benefits, veterans, there are many cases of "handouts" which are perfectly valid. However there are others which are not. Also, the rich seem to get a large slice of this pie too, but the govt manages to diddle the statistics to make it look different.

Yes, it will always be about the children. And through every generation. And your "solution" is to do nothing, which we know the outcome. If you don't change the cycle of poverty, it won't change and it will just get worse.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Actually I don't live in a place where the murder rate is high. I don't live in an urban shit hole and the crime rate is low and people actually try to make something of themselves.

I am not responsible for the people who make choices not to better themselves choosing to do nothing is a choice and I have no right to tell people to make different choices

Yes, you have no responsibility to your society. You are an island, an individual who doesn't have to care about what is going on around them..... You don't care about other people, you don't care about anything other than yourself. There's a word for this, it's "selfish"

We do have a responsibility to our society....and armed Americans use their guns to stop violent criminals 1,500,000 times a year...according to bill clinton and barak obama.......that means more than 1,500,000 crimes actually stopped for the criminals captured or killed.....lives saved....helping our society.

The Swastika was ingrained in many cultures, I've heard before Hitler saw the Swastika at a local church, not sure how true that is, but it is certainly possible.

Because he used the swastika, does that make him anymore a hindu than having God is with us on belt buckles? And of course we have the true blue atheists, the international socialists who murdered more people, in more countries than the national socialists did.......

Atheists definitely made up a disproportionate amount of mass murderers, but not regular civilian murderers who are usually more religious.

Personally I'm Agnostic, but I lean towards beliefs that the Universe is a Godly organism, which would explain why we all play God, and why we don't see God.

But, I don't really know the truth, no one does, and I think both hardcore Theists, and hardcore Atheists can be pretty startling in their views of thinking they know it all, downright ignorance, and arrogance in my eyes.

Actually I don't live in a place where the murder rate is high. I don't live in an urban shit hole and the crime rate is low and people actually try to make something of themselves.

I am not responsible for the people who make choices not to better themselves choosing to do nothing is a choice and I have no right to tell people to make different choices

Yes, you have no responsibility to your society. You are an island, an individual who doesn't have to care about what is going on around them..... You don't care about other people, you don't care about anything other than yourself. There's a word for this, it's "selfish"

We do have a responsibility to our society....and armed Americans use their guns to stop violent criminals 1,500,000 times a year...according to bill clinton and barak obama.......that means more than 1,500,000 crimes actually stopped for the criminals captured or killed.....lives saved....helping our society.

The Swastika was ingrained in many cultures, I've heard before Hitler saw the Swastika at a local church, not sure how true that is, but it is certainly possible.

Because he used the swastika, does that make him anymore a hindu than having God is with us on belt buckles? And of course we have the true blue atheists, the international socialists who murdered more people, in more countries than the national socialists did.......

Atheists definitely made up a disproportionate amount of mass murderers, but not regular civilian murderers who are usually more religious.

Personally I'm Agnostic, but I lean towards beliefs that the Universe is a Godly organism, which would explain why we all play God, and why we don't see God.

But, I don't really know the truth, no one does, and I think both hardcore Theists, and hardcore Atheists can be pretty startling in their views of thinking they know it all, downright ignorance, and arrogance in my eyes.

But is that because people who are mass murderers are less likely to just believe what others tell them? Or is it because people who have a mass murderer mentality are less likely to kill people if they become religious?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

And that's what really needs to be addressed.

Well, yes. And this is what I'm doing.

It's fine to say parents should be bringing their kids up properly. But the reality is they aren't.

So two choices. The first is to take over and try and put the kids on a good course.

The second is to shrug your shoulders and say "it's the way it is".

The first allows for society to change for the positive. For kids who are born on the wrong side of the tracks to get pushed along the right line. The second allows for the problems to get worse and worse with every generation, with an attitude of "the system is against us" which makes it harder and harder to solve.

Sorry, but it shouldn't be up to government to take care of other people's kids. If we are going to do that, take them from the parents and put them in an orphanage. At least that way it will take some of the incentive of having children for more government handouts.

Speaking of which, government handouts are the main problem. However dare anybody say cut down on those, the liberals cry "WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN???" Our government even takes care of children who's parents are here illegally. So what the hell, why not have as many children as you like? It's not like you're middle-class or something and have to support them yourself.

And again, we're back to "should" and reality. No, it SHOULDN'T be up to the govt to take care of kids, but it is. Why? Well, because something has gone wrong in society and if govt doesn't put it right, then it never will be.

As for orphanages, is this best for the kids? If it is, then yes, they should go, but it would seem orphanages are grim places to grow up in, so.... you're stuck between a rock and a hard place. better to spend the money on educating them, rather than sticking them in orphanages.

Yes, there is a problem with government handouts. But there are lots of problems. The question is, what are the solutions. And yes, there are liberals who scream blue murder if you threaten to take away their funding. I've been accused of being all sorts of things by liberals for my views too.

The solution to government handouts? Quit giving government handouts.

With the last generation of poverty people, what about the children?
With this generation of poverty people, what about the children?
With the next generation of poverty people, what about the children?

If we don't put a stop to it at some point, ten generations from now, it will be What about the children?

The problem is that some people try and make out that government handouts are just people on the take.

Unemployment benefits, disability benefits, veterans, there are many cases of "handouts" which are perfectly valid. However there are others which are not. Also, the rich seem to get a large slice of this pie too, but the govt manages to diddle the statistics to make it look different.

Yes, it will always be about the children. And through every generation. And your "solution" is to do nothing, which we know the outcome. If you don't change the cycle of poverty, it won't change and it will just get worse.

Your solutions don't work. Tough love works. You can't teach people that don't want to learn anything. You can't make people want something they simply don't want. Which horse will run for you: the one where you dangle a carrot in front of his face, of the one you feed carrots to?

The motivator for success is desire, and yes......greed. If you have no desire or greed, you will not work to satisfy those needs.

People on the take? Many of them. In the recession, my drunken neighbor lost his job due to the company closing. He stayed on unemployment for nearly two years. When I seen him in the yard, I would yell over "Hey Charley, how's the job hunt going?" He would just laugh and reply "What job hunt?" When he exhausted every last dime he could get from the government, he went to work for his brother-in-law; a job he could have taken at any time.

Last Christmas my cousin threw a party for all the cousins in the family. We don't see each other all that much, so it gave us time to catch up. I started to talk to one of my cousins and asked about his brother who retired on disability. I told him it was a shame he couldn't work anymore. He just laughed and said "He can work more than I can. It's just that he doesn't want to, that's why he's on disability!"

It goes on all the time. I have several major disabilities, and I'm working to support younger and much healthier people than I am. Where is the equity in that?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Well, yes. And this is what I'm doing.

It's fine to say parents should be bringing their kids up properly. But the reality is they aren't.

So two choices. The first is to take over and try and put the kids on a good course.

The second is to shrug your shoulders and say "it's the way it is".

The first allows for society to change for the positive. For kids who are born on the wrong side of the tracks to get pushed along the right line. The second allows for the problems to get worse and worse with every generation, with an attitude of "the system is against us" which makes it harder and harder to solve.

Sorry, but it shouldn't be up to government to take care of other people's kids. If we are going to do that, take them from the parents and put them in an orphanage. At least that way it will take some of the incentive of having children for more government handouts.

Speaking of which, government handouts are the main problem. However dare anybody say cut down on those, the liberals cry "WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN???" Our government even takes care of children who's parents are here illegally. So what the hell, why not have as many children as you like? It's not like you're middle-class or something and have to support them yourself.

And again, we're back to "should" and reality. No, it SHOULDN'T be up to the govt to take care of kids, but it is. Why? Well, because something has gone wrong in society and if govt doesn't put it right, then it never will be.

As for orphanages, is this best for the kids? If it is, then yes, they should go, but it would seem orphanages are grim places to grow up in, so.... you're stuck between a rock and a hard place. better to spend the money on educating them, rather than sticking them in orphanages.

Yes, there is a problem with government handouts. But there are lots of problems. The question is, what are the solutions. And yes, there are liberals who scream blue murder if you threaten to take away their funding. I've been accused of being all sorts of things by liberals for my views too.

The solution to government handouts? Quit giving government handouts.

With the last generation of poverty people, what about the children?
With this generation of poverty people, what about the children?
With the next generation of poverty people, what about the children?

If we don't put a stop to it at some point, ten generations from now, it will be What about the children?

The problem is that some people try and make out that government handouts are just people on the take.

Unemployment benefits, disability benefits, veterans, there are many cases of "handouts" which are perfectly valid. However there are others which are not. Also, the rich seem to get a large slice of this pie too, but the govt manages to diddle the statistics to make it look different.

Yes, it will always be about the children. And through every generation. And your "solution" is to do nothing, which we know the outcome. If you don't change the cycle of poverty, it won't change and it will just get worse.

Your solutions don't work. Tough love works. You can't teach people that don't want to learn anything. You can't make people want something they simply don't want. Which horse will run for you: the one where you dangle a carrot in front of his face, of the one you feed carrots to?

The motivator for success is desire, and yes......greed. If you have no desire or greed, you will not work to satisfy those needs.

People on the take? Many of them. In the recession, my drunken neighbor lost his job due to the company closing. He stayed on unemployment for nearly two years. When I seen him in the yard, I would yell over "Hey Charley, how's the job hunt going?" He would just laugh and reply "What job hunt?" When he exhausted every last dime he could get from the government, he went to work for his brother-in-law; a job he could have taken at any time.

Last Christmas my cousin threw a party for all the cousins in the family. We don't see each other all that much, so it gave us time to catch up. I started to talk to one of my cousins and asked about his brother who retired on disability. I told him it was a shame he couldn't work anymore. He just laughed and said "He can work more than I can. It's just that he doesn't want to, that's why he's on disability!"

It goes on all the time. I have several major disabilities, and I'm working to support younger and much healthier people than I am. Where is the equity in that?

My solutions don't work? Prove it.

As I said, kids are a blank slate in most cases. You start teaching kids properly, and then you'll get a change. Also you're making the assumption that people don't want to be taught, a lot do, but perhaps the society they live in makes them think they won't succeed.

So greed is the motivator for success. Then, use that, make kids realize that if they do this and that that they can succeed. Right now you go into inner cities and the only success they think they can get is as a drug deal or football player. Do you see the problem here? The greed aspect isn't about learning, learning doesn't get you to fulfill your greed, so why the fuck bother?

That's why you need to change education, change the cycle of poverty so people know they can get what they want if they study.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Sorry, but it shouldn't be up to government to take care of other people's kids. If we are going to do that, take them from the parents and put them in an orphanage. At least that way it will take some of the incentive of having children for more government handouts.

Speaking of which, government handouts are the main problem. However dare anybody say cut down on those, the liberals cry "WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN???" Our government even takes care of children who's parents are here illegally. So what the hell, why not have as many children as you like? It's not like you're middle-class or something and have to support them yourself.

And again, we're back to "should" and reality. No, it SHOULDN'T be up to the govt to take care of kids, but it is. Why? Well, because something has gone wrong in society and if govt doesn't put it right, then it never will be.

As for orphanages, is this best for the kids? If it is, then yes, they should go, but it would seem orphanages are grim places to grow up in, so.... you're stuck between a rock and a hard place. better to spend the money on educating them, rather than sticking them in orphanages.

Yes, there is a problem with government handouts. But there are lots of problems. The question is, what are the solutions. And yes, there are liberals who scream blue murder if you threaten to take away their funding. I've been accused of being all sorts of things by liberals for my views too.

The solution to government handouts? Quit giving government handouts.

With the last generation of poverty people, what about the children?
With this generation of poverty people, what about the children?
With the next generation of poverty people, what about the children?

If we don't put a stop to it at some point, ten generations from now, it will be What about the children?

The problem is that some people try and make out that government handouts are just people on the take.

Unemployment benefits, disability benefits, veterans, there are many cases of "handouts" which are perfectly valid. However there are others which are not. Also, the rich seem to get a large slice of this pie too, but the govt manages to diddle the statistics to make it look different.

Yes, it will always be about the children. And through every generation. And your "solution" is to do nothing, which we know the outcome. If you don't change the cycle of poverty, it won't change and it will just get worse.

Your solutions don't work. Tough love works. You can't teach people that don't want to learn anything. You can't make people want something they simply don't want. Which horse will run for you: the one where you dangle a carrot in front of his face, of the one you feed carrots to?

The motivator for success is desire, and yes......greed. If you have no desire or greed, you will not work to satisfy those needs.

People on the take? Many of them. In the recession, my drunken neighbor lost his job due to the company closing. He stayed on unemployment for nearly two years. When I seen him in the yard, I would yell over "Hey Charley, how's the job hunt going?" He would just laugh and reply "What job hunt?" When he exhausted every last dime he could get from the government, he went to work for his brother-in-law; a job he could have taken at any time.

Last Christmas my cousin threw a party for all the cousins in the family. We don't see each other all that much, so it gave us time to catch up. I started to talk to one of my cousins and asked about his brother who retired on disability. I told him it was a shame he couldn't work anymore. He just laughed and said "He can work more than I can. It's just that he doesn't want to, that's why he's on disability!"

It goes on all the time. I have several major disabilities, and I'm working to support younger and much healthier people than I am. Where is the equity in that?

My solutions don't work? Prove it.

As I said, kids are a blank slate in most cases. You start teaching kids properly, and then you'll get a change. Also you're making the assumption that people don't want to be taught, a lot do, but perhaps the society they live in makes them think they won't succeed.

So greed is the motivator for success. Then, use that, make kids realize that if they do this and that that they can succeed. Right now you go into inner cities and the only success they think they can get is as a drug deal or football player. Do you see the problem here? The greed aspect isn't about learning, learning doesn't get you to fulfill your greed, so why the fuck bother?

That's why you need to change education, change the cycle of poverty so people know they can get what they want if they study.

Which is why I said earlier that schools need to offer a course in investments. Show these kids that hard work and conscience money management can make them middle--class, upper middle-class and even wealthy if they try.

In our country, wealth is not exclusive to race, gender or even family name. Most millionaires did not inherit their money. Many of them never attended college.

So kids should be taught that they have the same opportunity as anybody else, which reminds me of something that happened a few years back:

One of our customers got bought out by a larger company. One of their benefits was to "give" employees stock. I went there for a delivery and caught them during break. The white employees sat with each other as did the blacks.

The white employees were talking about their stock the company gave them. They were talking about how they looked up the performance of company stocks in the past; how they might consider buying more!

So I walked over to the supervisor of shipping where the blacks sat and asked how he felt about the stocks he was given? I'll never forget his response. He said "I don't know nothing about no stocks. All I know is that I work here (pointing to the ground) and they pay me here (pointing to his wallet pocket.)

It's no surprise how the black community failed. All they know is what they were taught in school--none of which is doing as the wealthy white people do--invest

 

[frigidweirdo]

And again, we're back to "should" and reality. No, it SHOULDN'T be up to the govt to take care of kids, but it is. Why? Well, because something has gone wrong in society and if govt doesn't put it right, then it never will be.

As for orphanages, is this best for the kids? If it is, then yes, they should go, but it would seem orphanages are grim places to grow up in, so.... you're stuck between a rock and a hard place. better to spend the money on educating them, rather than sticking them in orphanages.

Yes, there is a problem with government handouts. But there are lots of problems. The question is, what are the solutions. And yes, there are liberals who scream blue murder if you threaten to take away their funding. I've been accused of being all sorts of things by liberals for my views too.

The solution to government handouts? Quit giving government handouts.

With the last generation of poverty people, what about the children?
With this generation of poverty people, what about the children?
With the next generation of poverty people, what about the children?

If we don't put a stop to it at some point, ten generations from now, it will be What about the children?

The problem is that some people try and make out that government handouts are just people on the take.

Unemployment benefits, disability benefits, veterans, there are many cases of "handouts" which are perfectly valid. However there are others which are not. Also, the rich seem to get a large slice of this pie too, but the govt manages to diddle the statistics to make it look different.

Yes, it will always be about the children. And through every generation. And your "solution" is to do nothing, which we know the outcome. If you don't change the cycle of poverty, it won't change and it will just get worse.

Your solutions don't work. Tough love works. You can't teach people that don't want to learn anything. You can't make people want something they simply don't want. Which horse will run for you: the one where you dangle a carrot in front of his face, of the one you feed carrots to?

The motivator for success is desire, and yes......greed. If you have no desire or greed, you will not work to satisfy those needs.

People on the take? Many of them. In the recession, my drunken neighbor lost his job due to the company closing. He stayed on unemployment for nearly two years. When I seen him in the yard, I would yell over "Hey Charley, how's the job hunt going?" He would just laugh and reply "What job hunt?" When he exhausted every last dime he could get from the government, he went to work for his brother-in-law; a job he could have taken at any time.

Last Christmas my cousin threw a party for all the cousins in the family. We don't see each other all that much, so it gave us time to catch up. I started to talk to one of my cousins and asked about his brother who retired on disability. I told him it was a shame he couldn't work anymore. He just laughed and said "He can work more than I can. It's just that he doesn't want to, that's why he's on disability!"

It goes on all the time. I have several major disabilities, and I'm working to support younger and much healthier people than I am. Where is the equity in that?

My solutions don't work? Prove it.

As I said, kids are a blank slate in most cases. You start teaching kids properly, and then you'll get a change. Also you're making the assumption that people don't want to be taught, a lot do, but perhaps the society they live in makes them think they won't succeed.

So greed is the motivator for success. Then, use that, make kids realize that if they do this and that that they can succeed. Right now you go into inner cities and the only success they think they can get is as a drug deal or football player. Do you see the problem here? The greed aspect isn't about learning, learning doesn't get you to fulfill your greed, so why the fuck bother?

That's why you need to change education, change the cycle of poverty so people know they can get what they want if they study.

Which is why I said earlier that schools need to offer a course in investments. Show these kids that hard work and conscience money management can make them middle--class, upper middle-class and even wealthy if they try.

In our country, wealth is not exclusive to race, gender or even family name. Most millionaires did not inherit their money. Many of them never attended college.

So kids should be taught that they have the same opportunity as anybody else, which reminds me of something that happened a few years back:

One of our customers got bought out by a larger company. One of their benefits was to "give" employees stock. I went there for a delivery and caught them during break. The white employees sat with each other as did the blacks.

The white employees were talking about their stock the company gave them. They were talking about how they looked up the performance of company stocks in the past; how they might consider buying more!

So I walked over to the supervisor of shipping where the blacks sat and asked how he felt about the stocks he was given? I'll never forget his response. He said "I don't know nothing about no stocks. All I know is that I work here (pointing to the ground) and they pay me here (pointing to his wallet pocket.)

It's no surprise how the black community failed. All they know is what they were taught in school--none of which is doing as the wealthy white people do--invest

Well, there are lots of skills that should be taught in schools. That's what schools should be for. Skills for being an adult. Skills for being a decent human being. Skills for being a productive worker...

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Yes, you have no responsibility to your society. You are an island, an individual who doesn't have to care about what is going on around them..... You don't care about other people, you don't care about anything other than yourself. There's a word for this, it's "selfish"

We do have a responsibility to our society....and armed Americans use their guns to stop violent criminals 1,500,000 times a year...according to bill clinton and barak obama.......that means more than 1,500,000 crimes actually stopped for the criminals captured or killed.....lives saved....helping our society.

The Swastika was ingrained in many cultures, I've heard before Hitler saw the Swastika at a local church, not sure how true that is, but it is certainly possible.

Because he used the swastika, does that make him anymore a hindu than having God is with us on belt buckles? And of course we have the true blue atheists, the international socialists who murdered more people, in more countries than the national socialists did.......

Atheists definitely made up a disproportionate amount of mass murderers, but not regular civilian murderers who are usually more religious.

Personally I'm Agnostic, but I lean towards beliefs that the Universe is a Godly organism, which would explain why we all play God, and why we don't see God.

But, I don't really know the truth, no one does, and I think both hardcore Theists, and hardcore Atheists can be pretty startling in their views of thinking they know it all, downright ignorance, and arrogance in my eyes.

Yes, you have no responsibility to your society. You are an island, an individual who doesn't have to care about what is going on around them..... You don't care about other people, you don't care about anything other than yourself. There's a word for this, it's "selfish"

We do have a responsibility to our society....and armed Americans use their guns to stop violent criminals 1,500,000 times a year...according to bill clinton and barak obama.......that means more than 1,500,000 crimes actually stopped for the criminals captured or killed.....lives saved....helping our society.

The Swastika was ingrained in many cultures, I've heard before Hitler saw the Swastika at a local church, not sure how true that is, but it is certainly possible.

Because he used the swastika, does that make him anymore a hindu than having God is with us on belt buckles? And of course we have the true blue atheists, the international socialists who murdered more people, in more countries than the national socialists did.......

Atheists definitely made up a disproportionate amount of mass murderers, but not regular civilian murderers who are usually more religious.

Personally I'm Agnostic, but I lean towards beliefs that the Universe is a Godly organism, which would explain why we all play God, and why we don't see God.

But, I don't really know the truth, no one does, and I think both hardcore Theists, and hardcore Atheists can be pretty startling in their views of thinking they know it all, downright ignorance, and arrogance in my eyes.

But is that because people who are mass murderers are less likely to just believe what others tell them? Or is it because people who have a mass murderer mentality are less likely to kill people if they become religious?

Or that the mental disorders are different, that Schizophrenia is more common among religious, while Psychopathy is more among Atheists.

 

[frigidweirdo]

We do have a responsibility to our society....and armed Americans use their guns to stop violent criminals 1,500,000 times a year...according to bill clinton and barak obama.......that means more than 1,500,000 crimes actually stopped for the criminals captured or killed.....lives saved....helping our society.

The Swastika was ingrained in many cultures, I've heard before Hitler saw the Swastika at a local church, not sure how true that is, but it is certainly possible.

Because he used the swastika, does that make him anymore a hindu than having God is with us on belt buckles? And of course we have the true blue atheists, the international socialists who murdered more people, in more countries than the national socialists did.......

Atheists definitely made up a disproportionate amount of mass murderers, but not regular civilian murderers who are usually more religious.

Personally I'm Agnostic, but I lean towards beliefs that the Universe is a Godly organism, which would explain why we all play God, and why we don't see God.

But, I don't really know the truth, no one does, and I think both hardcore Theists, and hardcore Atheists can be pretty startling in their views of thinking they know it all, downright ignorance, and arrogance in my eyes.

We do have a responsibility to our society....and armed Americans use their guns to stop violent criminals 1,500,000 times a year...according to bill clinton and barak obama.......that means more than 1,500,000 crimes actually stopped for the criminals captured or killed.....lives saved....helping our society.

The Swastika was ingrained in many cultures, I've heard before Hitler saw the Swastika at a local church, not sure how true that is, but it is certainly possible.

Because he used the swastika, does that make him anymore a hindu than having God is with us on belt buckles? And of course we have the true blue atheists, the international socialists who murdered more people, in more countries than the national socialists did.......

Atheists definitely made up a disproportionate amount of mass murderers, but not regular civilian murderers who are usually more religious.

Personally I'm Agnostic, but I lean towards beliefs that the Universe is a Godly organism, which would explain why we all play God, and why we don't see God.

But, I don't really know the truth, no one does, and I think both hardcore Theists, and hardcore Atheists can be pretty startling in their views of thinking they know it all, downright ignorance, and arrogance in my eyes.

But is that because people who are mass murderers are less likely to just believe what others tell them? Or is it because people who have a mass murderer mentality are less likely to kill people if they become religious?

Or that the mental disorders are different, that Schizophrenia is more common among religious, while Psychopathy is more among Atheists.

And again, I ask the question, which is the cause and which is the effect?

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

The Swastika was ingrained in many cultures, I've heard before Hitler saw the Swastika at a local church, not sure how true that is, but it is certainly possible.

Because he used the swastika, does that make him anymore a hindu than having God is with us on belt buckles? And of course we have the true blue atheists, the international socialists who murdered more people, in more countries than the national socialists did.......

Atheists definitely made up a disproportionate amount of mass murderers, but not regular civilian murderers who are usually more religious.

Personally I'm Agnostic, but I lean towards beliefs that the Universe is a Godly organism, which would explain why we all play God, and why we don't see God.

But, I don't really know the truth, no one does, and I think both hardcore Theists, and hardcore Atheists can be pretty startling in their views of thinking they know it all, downright ignorance, and arrogance in my eyes.

The Swastika was ingrained in many cultures, I've heard before Hitler saw the Swastika at a local church, not sure how true that is, but it is certainly possible.

Because he used the swastika, does that make him anymore a hindu than having God is with us on belt buckles? And of course we have the true blue atheists, the international socialists who murdered more people, in more countries than the national socialists did.......

Atheists definitely made up a disproportionate amount of mass murderers, but not regular civilian murderers who are usually more religious.

Personally I'm Agnostic, but I lean towards beliefs that the Universe is a Godly organism, which would explain why we all play God, and why we don't see God.

But, I don't really know the truth, no one does, and I think both hardcore Theists, and hardcore Atheists can be pretty startling in their views of thinking they know it all, downright ignorance, and arrogance in my eyes.

But is that because people who are mass murderers are less likely to just believe what others tell them? Or is it because people who have a mass murderer mentality are less likely to kill people if they become religious?

Or that the mental disorders are different, that Schizophrenia is more common among religious, while Psychopathy is more among Atheists.

And again, I ask the question, which is the cause and which is the effect?

Maybe that Psychopaths are more controlled, but evil than Schizophrenics?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Because he used the swastika, does that make him anymore a hindu than having God is with us on belt buckles? And of course we have the true blue atheists, the international socialists who murdered more people, in more countries than the national socialists did.......

Atheists definitely made up a disproportionate amount of mass murderers, but not regular civilian murderers who are usually more religious.

Personally I'm Agnostic, but I lean towards beliefs that the Universe is a Godly organism, which would explain why we all play God, and why we don't see God.

But, I don't really know the truth, no one does, and I think both hardcore Theists, and hardcore Atheists can be pretty startling in their views of thinking they know it all, downright ignorance, and arrogance in my eyes.

Because he used the swastika, does that make him anymore a hindu than having God is with us on belt buckles? And of course we have the true blue atheists, the international socialists who murdered more people, in more countries than the national socialists did.......

Atheists definitely made up a disproportionate amount of mass murderers, but not regular civilian murderers who are usually more religious.

Personally I'm Agnostic, but I lean towards beliefs that the Universe is a Godly organism, which would explain why we all play God, and why we don't see God.

But, I don't really know the truth, no one does, and I think both hardcore Theists, and hardcore Atheists can be pretty startling in their views of thinking they know it all, downright ignorance, and arrogance in my eyes.

But is that because people who are mass murderers are less likely to just believe what others tell them? Or is it because people who have a mass murderer mentality are less likely to kill people if they become religious?

Or that the mental disorders are different, that Schizophrenia is more common among religious, while Psychopathy is more among Atheists.

And again, I ask the question, which is the cause and which is the effect?

Maybe that Psychopaths are more controlled, but evil than Schizophrenics?

There are plenty of possibilities, does it matter? It doesn't seem to be a religious issue.

 

[Skull Pilot]

yes they do want it because no one is doing anything about it but whining that the government should do something
Charity starts at home
Change starts with the individual

bottom up not top down if people won't make the effort to change then no amount of government spending is going to make a difference

Basically you're just throwing excuses as to why nothing should happen. Great. Well then live in your own filth and don't come whining when people get shot, or robbed or attacked.

but you see i don't live in my own filth. I take action to make my life what it is and I don't wait for some government hack to tell me what's good for me.

the people who do nothing want to be where they are and we don't need to waste money on them

But you do. You live in a society with a murder rate that is 4 times too high, with too much violence, with too many fat people, with too many selfish people, with too many problems. The problem seems to be that you're so used to it, you don't care.

You're just looking for excuses to do nothing. It's quite sad.

Actually I don't live in a place where the murder rate is high. I don't live in an urban shit hole and the crime rate is low and people actually try to make something of themselves.

I am not responsible for the people who make choices not to better themselves choosing to do nothing is a choice and I have no right to tell people to make different choices

Yes, you have no responsibility to your society. You are an island, an individual who doesn't have to care about what is going on around them..... You don't care about other people, you don't care about anything other than yourself. There's a word for this, it's "selfish"

I have no obligation to society other than to obey the law and not be a burden on others.

and you have no idea what I care about. FYI I direct my charity at those who cannot help themselves not those that are capable of helping themselves but refuse to do so.

people who choose to do nothing when they are capable of helping themselves deserve our contempt not our charity

 

[frigidweirdo]

Basically you're just throwing excuses as to why nothing should happen. Great. Well then live in your own filth and don't come whining when people get shot, or robbed or attacked.

but you see i don't live in my own filth. I take action to make my life what it is and I don't wait for some government hack to tell me what's good for me.

the people who do nothing want to be where they are and we don't need to waste money on them

But you do. You live in a society with a murder rate that is 4 times too high, with too much violence, with too many fat people, with too many selfish people, with too many problems. The problem seems to be that you're so used to it, you don't care.

You're just looking for excuses to do nothing. It's quite sad.

Actually I don't live in a place where the murder rate is high. I don't live in an urban shit hole and the crime rate is low and people actually try to make something of themselves.

I am not responsible for the people who make choices not to better themselves choosing to do nothing is a choice and I have no right to tell people to make different choices

Yes, you have no responsibility to your society. You are an island, an individual who doesn't have to care about what is going on around them..... You don't care about other people, you don't care about anything other than yourself. There's a word for this, it's "selfish"

I have no obligation to society other than to obey the law and not be a burden on others.

and you have no idea what I care about. FYI I direct my charity at those who cannot help themselves not those that are capable of helping themselves but refuse to do so.

people who choose to do nothing when they are capable of helping themselves deserve our contempt not our charity

And then you wonder why there are problems in society.

 

[Skull Pilot]

but you see i don't live in my own filth. I take action to make my life what it is and I don't wait for some government hack to tell me what's good for me.

the people who do nothing want to be where they are and we don't need to waste money on them

But you do. You live in a society with a murder rate that is 4 times too high, with too much violence, with too many fat people, with too many selfish people, with too many problems. The problem seems to be that you're so used to it, you don't care.

You're just looking for excuses to do nothing. It's quite sad.

Actually I don't live in a place where the murder rate is high. I don't live in an urban shit hole and the crime rate is low and people actually try to make something of themselves.

I am not responsible for the people who make choices not to better themselves choosing to do nothing is a choice and I have no right to tell people to make different choices

Yes, you have no responsibility to your society. You are an island, an individual who doesn't have to care about what is going on around them..... You don't care about other people, you don't care about anything other than yourself. There's a word for this, it's "selfish"

I have no obligation to society other than to obey the law and not be a burden on others.

and you have no idea what I care about. FYI I direct my charity at those who cannot help themselves not those that are capable of helping themselves but refuse to do so.

people who choose to do nothing when they are capable of helping themselves deserve our contempt not our charity

And then you wonder why there are problems in society.

No I don't wonder I know why there are problems I know why there are problems and every problem starts with the individual and the choices made by that individual

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The solution to government handouts? Quit giving government handouts.

With the last generation of poverty people, what about the children?
With this generation of poverty people, what about the children?
With the next generation of poverty people, what about the children?

If we don't put a stop to it at some point, ten generations from now, it will be What about the children?

The problem is that some people try and make out that government handouts are just people on the take.

Unemployment benefits, disability benefits, veterans, there are many cases of "handouts" which are perfectly valid. However there are others which are not. Also, the rich seem to get a large slice of this pie too, but the govt manages to diddle the statistics to make it look different.

Yes, it will always be about the children. And through every generation. And your "solution" is to do nothing, which we know the outcome. If you don't change the cycle of poverty, it won't change and it will just get worse.

Your solutions don't work. Tough love works. You can't teach people that don't want to learn anything. You can't make people want something they simply don't want. Which horse will run for you: the one where you dangle a carrot in front of his face, of the one you feed carrots to?

The motivator for success is desire, and yes......greed. If you have no desire or greed, you will not work to satisfy those needs.

People on the take? Many of them. In the recession, my drunken neighbor lost his job due to the company closing. He stayed on unemployment for nearly two years. When I seen him in the yard, I would yell over "Hey Charley, how's the job hunt going?" He would just laugh and reply "What job hunt?" When he exhausted every last dime he could get from the government, he went to work for his brother-in-law; a job he could have taken at any time.

Last Christmas my cousin threw a party for all the cousins in the family. We don't see each other all that much, so it gave us time to catch up. I started to talk to one of my cousins and asked about his brother who retired on disability. I told him it was a shame he couldn't work anymore. He just laughed and said "He can work more than I can. It's just that he doesn't want to, that's why he's on disability!"

It goes on all the time. I have several major disabilities, and I'm working to support younger and much healthier people than I am. Where is the equity in that?

My solutions don't work? Prove it.

As I said, kids are a blank slate in most cases. You start teaching kids properly, and then you'll get a change. Also you're making the assumption that people don't want to be taught, a lot do, but perhaps the society they live in makes them think they won't succeed.

So greed is the motivator for success. Then, use that, make kids realize that if they do this and that that they can succeed. Right now you go into inner cities and the only success they think they can get is as a drug deal or football player. Do you see the problem here? The greed aspect isn't about learning, learning doesn't get you to fulfill your greed, so why the fuck bother?

That's why you need to change education, change the cycle of poverty so people know they can get what they want if they study.

Which is why I said earlier that schools need to offer a course in investments. Show these kids that hard work and conscience money management can make them middle--class, upper middle-class and even wealthy if they try.

In our country, wealth is not exclusive to race, gender or even family name. Most millionaires did not inherit their money. Many of them never attended college.

So kids should be taught that they have the same opportunity as anybody else, which reminds me of something that happened a few years back:

One of our customers got bought out by a larger company. One of their benefits was to "give" employees stock. I went there for a delivery and caught them during break. The white employees sat with each other as did the blacks.

The white employees were talking about their stock the company gave them. They were talking about how they looked up the performance of company stocks in the past; how they might consider buying more!

So I walked over to the supervisor of shipping where the blacks sat and asked how he felt about the stocks he was given? I'll never forget his response. He said "I don't know nothing about no stocks. All I know is that I work here (pointing to the ground) and they pay me here (pointing to his wallet pocket.)

It's no surprise how the black community failed. All they know is what they were taught in school--none of which is doing as the wealthy white people do--invest

Well, there are lots of skills that should be taught in schools. That's what schools should be for. Skills for being an adult. Skills for being a decent human being. Skills for being a productive worker...

Well you're never going to get it with Democrats and teachers unions in charge. The curriculum is set so you learn to go to college or you don't. If you don't make it to college, fine, you might end up in poverty which means you will be a Democrat voter. If you do make it to college, fine, the indoctrination continues there as an adult and you end up being a Democrat.