Gun culture or parenting culture?

[BULLDOG]

25 years of unnecessarily endangering the public by carrying a loaded weapon where it as not needed for no reason whatsoever. What scared you so bad till you felt the need to do that? You need counseling more than self defence.

HTF is carrying a loaded gun endangering the public????

Get ahold of an old NRA gun safety manual from at least 20 years ago. Before their focus changed from gun safety to gun sales. That will explain it quite well.

And that has what to do with my question????

You asked about dangers of a loaded gun in public. That manual lists several. If you don't even know what dangers exist, how can you take precautions to at least minimize them?

Very simple: Again, don't put a round into your chamber unless you are ready to use it. Keep your safety lock on and there won't be any accidental discharge.

The NRA doesn't teach about all the dead people who thought the gun didn't have one in the chamber any more? I guess they dropped a lot of their safety lessons.

 

[2aguy]

well I obviously didn't endanger anyone since no one but me even knew I was carrying

I'm not scared of anything you are obviously scared of people legally carrying a weapon.

and I have lots of things that I might not ever need like homeowners insurance, term life insurance, disability insurance, car insurance but if I do ever need them I'll be god damned glad I had them

my firearm is self defense insurance and it is the least expensive of all of them

None of those insurance policies have the potential to kill the kid playing in your neighbor's yard. Since you say you haven't needed to use your gun for self defence for 25 years, the only two reasons you carry it are either, your fear that you aren't capable of surviving the same issues everybody else faces without a gun to boost your ego, or you're just nuts. When did your fear first start bothering you?

I have a ton of stories about "nuts" people who defended themselves from an attack with a firearm or saved others who were attacked. Would you like to read a couple?

When you go to sleep for the night, do you close your doors and lock them? Why would you do that unless you had a fear of something?

Being prepared for the worst is not fear, being prepared for the worst is proactive. Some people might live in places where a gun is unnecessary. Others live in places where a gun may just come in handy one day. I usually don't carry mine around during the day, but if I leave home at night, my gun is with me. I take it to the store, to my ATM machine, to visit friends or relatives, everywhere unless it's a gun restricted zone like a hospital or government outlet.

Locking the front door at night is a far cry from being so traumatized till you feel the need to be armed for combat before you have the courage to leave your front yard. Yes, if you are involved in an armed confrontation, that is combat.

Yes it is, and that's why the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

Point is you lock your doors at night for protection. If an armed invader enters your home, you will be at their mercy unless you are armed as well.

That's the same reason we carry our guns. I don't care how bad you might think you are, you are no match for a gun even if you have a knife or bat.

You've heard that dumb statement so much till you believe it's true, don;t you.

How is it now true? Please...enlighten us with your wisdom...

 

[BULLDOG]

25 years of unnecessarily endangering the public by carrying a loaded weapon where it as not needed for no reason whatsoever. What scared you so bad till you felt the need to do that? You need counseling more than self defence.

HTF is carrying a loaded gun endangering the public????

Get ahold of an old NRA gun safety manual from at least 20 years ago. Before their focus changed from gun safety to gun sales. That will explain it quite well.

Dumb shit.....I went through the 8 hour NRA gun safety training...two year ago.....you have no clue what the hell you are talking about......are you really this dumb....? Do you practice at being this dumb?

Did they teach you the potential dangers of a loaded gun in public, or are you just as uninformed as Ray?

Us uninformed? I bet you never shot a gun in your life. We took courses on guns and gun safety. And let me correct you on another thing: The NRA course we took mentioned nothing about sales. The best gun salesman in our lifetime was Barack Obama.

Yes. The NRA claiming Obama as coming for your guns was the best sales gimmick in gun sales history. It never got close to happening, but that didn't matter as long as the gun nuts believed it.

 

[BULLDOG]

None of those insurance policies have the potential to kill the kid playing in your neighbor's yard. Since you say you haven't needed to use your gun for self defence for 25 years, the only two reasons you carry it are either, your fear that you aren't capable of surviving the same issues everybody else faces without a gun to boost your ego, or you're just nuts. When did your fear first start bothering you?

I have a ton of stories about "nuts" people who defended themselves from an attack with a firearm or saved others who were attacked. Would you like to read a couple?

When you go to sleep for the night, do you close your doors and lock them? Why would you do that unless you had a fear of something?

Being prepared for the worst is not fear, being prepared for the worst is proactive. Some people might live in places where a gun is unnecessary. Others live in places where a gun may just come in handy one day. I usually don't carry mine around during the day, but if I leave home at night, my gun is with me. I take it to the store, to my ATM machine, to visit friends or relatives, everywhere unless it's a gun restricted zone like a hospital or government outlet.

Locking the front door at night is a far cry from being so traumatized till you feel the need to be armed for combat before you have the courage to leave your front yard. Yes, if you are involved in an armed confrontation, that is combat.

The only one showing fear is you. I have yet to hear anyone carrying a gun for self defense state they were in a state of fear as they did it.

Fear is the emotion you have about guns....for gun owners, they are putting the weapon on their belt with the same emotion as they do their cell phone.....

I already told you lots of times, I'm not scared of guns. I'm scared of gun nuts.

Define Gun Nut.

Anyone other than military or law enforcement who thinks they need to be armed every day. Here's one.

 

[2aguy]

HTF is carrying a loaded gun endangering the public????

Get ahold of an old NRA gun safety manual from at least 20 years ago. Before their focus changed from gun safety to gun sales. That will explain it quite well.

Dumb shit.....I went through the 8 hour NRA gun safety training...two year ago.....you have no clue what the hell you are talking about......are you really this dumb....? Do you practice at being this dumb?

Did they teach you the potential dangers of a loaded gun in public, or are you just as uninformed as Ray?

Us uninformed? I bet you never shot a gun in your life. We took courses on guns and gun safety. And let me correct you on another thing: The NRA course we took mentioned nothing about sales. The best gun salesman in our lifetime was Barack Obama.

Yes. The NRA claiming Obama as coming for your guns was the best sales gimmick in gun sales history. It never got close to happening, but that didn't matter as long as the gun nuts believed it.

Yeah...it has....the 4th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that the 2nd Amendment doesn't protect guns that are used by the military or look like military guns.....and he and bill clinton appointed the majority of judges on that Circuit......as we keep telling you and you lie and pretend you don't understand....obama didn't want to lose any democrats to anti gun votes...so he simply stacked the federal bench with anti gun judges so that they could ban guns by judicial ruling....and then he expected hilary to come in and sue the gun makers...as I have posted about before as well....

moron.

 

[BULLDOG]

25 years of unnecessarily endangering the public by carrying a loaded weapon where it as not needed for no reason whatsoever. What scared you so bad till you felt the need to do that? You need counseling more than self defence.

Hey moron....are you a psychic? Ask any victim of a violent criminal attack......see if they knew when they woke up that day of the attack if they actually knew they were going to be a victim of the rape, robbery or attempted murder.....

Are you this stupid in real life? Do you practice at being this stupid?

Do you have a fire extinguisher in your home? Do you look both ways before you cross a street?

Moron.

I already told you lots of times that I don't have a problem with you strapping a fire extinguisher to your leg and prancing through town. It can't accidentally go off and kill someone.

Moron.....you should carry a gun and walk...because getting in a car is more likely to get you killed....

Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

Total car accidental death....

2015....36,161
2014....33,736
2013....33,804
2012....34,935

Accidental gun deaths...

Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

2015...489

2014.....486
2013 ..... 505
2012 ..... 548
2011 ..... 591
2010 ..... 606
2009 ..... 554
2008 ..... 592
2007..... 613
2006..... 642
2005 ..... 789
2004 ..... 649
2003 ..... 730
2002 ..... 762
2001 ..... 802
2000 ..... 776
1999 ..... 824

That has nothing to do with the subject. and it's a pathetic attempt at distraction.

Allow me to translate your last post.....

Begin Translation:

2aguy showed that more people die in a car than by gun accident...yet I am terrified of guns and not cars...he has shown that I have a phobia about guns and gun owners....and that I am a scared little baby....

End Translation.

Is that hat the voices in your head told you, cause that's nothing like what I said.

 

[2aguy]

I have a ton of stories about "nuts" people who defended themselves from an attack with a firearm or saved others who were attacked. Would you like to read a couple?

When you go to sleep for the night, do you close your doors and lock them? Why would you do that unless you had a fear of something?

Being prepared for the worst is not fear, being prepared for the worst is proactive. Some people might live in places where a gun is unnecessary. Others live in places where a gun may just come in handy one day. I usually don't carry mine around during the day, but if I leave home at night, my gun is with me. I take it to the store, to my ATM machine, to visit friends or relatives, everywhere unless it's a gun restricted zone like a hospital or government outlet.

Locking the front door at night is a far cry from being so traumatized till you feel the need to be armed for combat before you have the courage to leave your front yard. Yes, if you are involved in an armed confrontation, that is combat.

The only one showing fear is you. I have yet to hear anyone carrying a gun for self defense state they were in a state of fear as they did it.

Fear is the emotion you have about guns....for gun owners, they are putting the weapon on their belt with the same emotion as they do their cell phone.....

I already told you lots of times, I'm not scared of guns. I'm scared of gun nuts.

Define Gun Nut.

Anyone other than military or law enforcement who thinks they need to be armed every day. Here's one.

Okay, genius....tell us how you know which day you will need to carry your gun for self defense and which day you don't.....

Please.....tell us...we want to know....

 

[BULLDOG]

Locking the front door at night is a far cry from being so traumatized till you feel the need to be armed for combat before you have the courage to leave your front yard. Yes, if you are involved in an armed confrontation, that is combat.

The only one showing fear is you. I have yet to hear anyone carrying a gun for self defense state they were in a state of fear as they did it.

Fear is the emotion you have about guns....for gun owners, they are putting the weapon on their belt with the same emotion as they do their cell phone.....

I already told you lots of times, I'm not scared of guns. I'm scared of gun nuts.

No....you are afraid of guns...since accidental gun deaths are tiny....489 last year, compared to 36,000 car deaths......if you were sane, you would be afraid of cars.........since they kill more people every single year.....

Sorry. I just can't work up the debilitating fear that you live with every day. Life as a coward must be hard on you.

You are the one terrified about guns...not me.

I'm not terrified about guns. I'm terrified about so many idiots with guns. You're just terrified of life. Why else would you be prepared for combat every time you leave the safety of your home?

 

[BULLDOG]

Get ahold of an old NRA gun safety manual from at least 20 years ago. Before their focus changed from gun safety to gun sales. That will explain it quite well.

Dumb shit.....I went through the 8 hour NRA gun safety training...two year ago.....you have no clue what the hell you are talking about......are you really this dumb....? Do you practice at being this dumb?

Did they teach you the potential dangers of a loaded gun in public, or are you just as uninformed as Ray?

Us uninformed? I bet you never shot a gun in your life. We took courses on guns and gun safety. And let me correct you on another thing: The NRA course we took mentioned nothing about sales. The best gun salesman in our lifetime was Barack Obama.

Yes. The NRA claiming Obama as coming for your guns was the best sales gimmick in gun sales history. It never got close to happening, but that didn't matter as long as the gun nuts believed it.

Yeah...it has....the 4th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that the 2nd Amendment doesn't protect guns that are used by the military or look like military guns.....and he and bill clinton appointed the majority of judges on that Circuit......as we keep telling you and you lie and pretend you don't understand....obama didn't want to lose any democrats to anti gun votes...so he simply stacked the federal bench with anti gun judges so that they could ban guns by judicial ruling....and then he expected hilary to come in and sue the gun makers...as I have posted about before as well....

moron.

How many of your guns have they come for?

 

[2aguy]

The only one showing fear is you. I have yet to hear anyone carrying a gun for self defense state they were in a state of fear as they did it.

Fear is the emotion you have about guns....for gun owners, they are putting the weapon on their belt with the same emotion as they do their cell phone.....

I already told you lots of times, I'm not scared of guns. I'm scared of gun nuts.

No....you are afraid of guns...since accidental gun deaths are tiny....489 last year, compared to 36,000 car deaths......if you were sane, you would be afraid of cars.........since they kill more people every single year.....

Sorry. I just can't work up the debilitating fear that you live with every day. Life as a coward must be hard on you.

You are the one terrified about guns...not me.

I'm not terrified about guns. I'm terrified about so many idiots with guns. You're just terrified of life. Why else would you be prepared for combat every time you leave the safety of your home?

Over 15 million Americans now carry guns for self defense.....accidental gun deaths in 2015....489

Accidental car deaths in 2015....36,161


Can you tell which number is bigger? Can you see how stupid your emotions are?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I have a ton of stories about "nuts" people who defended themselves from an attack with a firearm or saved others who were attacked. Would you like to read a couple?

When you go to sleep for the night, do you close your doors and lock them? Why would you do that unless you had a fear of something?

Being prepared for the worst is not fear, being prepared for the worst is proactive. Some people might live in places where a gun is unnecessary. Others live in places where a gun may just come in handy one day. I usually don't carry mine around during the day, but if I leave home at night, my gun is with me. I take it to the store, to my ATM machine, to visit friends or relatives, everywhere unless it's a gun restricted zone like a hospital or government outlet.

Locking the front door at night is a far cry from being so traumatized till you feel the need to be armed for combat before you have the courage to leave your front yard. Yes, if you are involved in an armed confrontation, that is combat.

The only one showing fear is you. I have yet to hear anyone carrying a gun for self defense state they were in a state of fear as they did it.

Fear is the emotion you have about guns....for gun owners, they are putting the weapon on their belt with the same emotion as they do their cell phone.....

I already told you lots of times, I'm not scared of guns. I'm scared of gun nuts.

Define Gun Nut.

Anyone other than military or law enforcement who thinks they need to be armed every day. Here's one.

Yep, that's what I thought.

Some of us do need to be armed every day. We have a lot of liberals here, and liberals are violent people you know.

 

[BULLDOG]

Locking the front door at night is a far cry from being so traumatized till you feel the need to be armed for combat before you have the courage to leave your front yard. Yes, if you are involved in an armed confrontation, that is combat.

The only one showing fear is you. I have yet to hear anyone carrying a gun for self defense state they were in a state of fear as they did it.

Fear is the emotion you have about guns....for gun owners, they are putting the weapon on their belt with the same emotion as they do their cell phone.....

I already told you lots of times, I'm not scared of guns. I'm scared of gun nuts.

Define Gun Nut.

Anyone other than military or law enforcement who thinks they need to be armed every day. Here's one.

Okay, genius....tell us how you know which day you will need to carry your gun for self defense and which day you don't.....

Please.....tell us...we want to know....

Well, considering I'm well into my 60s, and I have never really needed a gun to defend myself, I'd say not very often. There have been times when if I would have had a gun with me, the situation would have turned out much worse than it did.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I'm not terrified about guns. I'm terrified about so many idiots with guns.

Well that's your problem right there, you are terrified of the wrong people:

A newly-released report suggests that concealed carry permit holders are the most law-abiding citizens in the U.S.

The report, written by Crime Prevention Research Center president John Lott, notes that it is "very rare for permit holders to violate the law" and compares the crimes committed by permit holders to police officers and the general population. The police committed 103 crimes per 100,000 officers, while the general population committed 3,813 per 100,000 people, 37 times as much as the police crime rate.

And yet, the same metric shows an even lower crime rate for permit holders.

"Combining the data for Florida and Texas data, we find that permit holders are convicted of misdemeanors and felonies at less than a sixth the rate for police officers," Lott writes. "Among police, firearms violations occur at a rate of 16.5 per 100,000 officers. Among permit holders in Florida and Texas, the rate is only 2.4 per 100,000.10 That is just 1/7th of the rate for police officers. But there's no need to focus on Texas and Florida — the data are similar in other states."

Report: Concealed Carry Permit Holders Are The Most Law-Abiding People In The Country

 

[BULLDOG]

Locking the front door at night is a far cry from being so traumatized till you feel the need to be armed for combat before you have the courage to leave your front yard. Yes, if you are involved in an armed confrontation, that is combat.

The only one showing fear is you. I have yet to hear anyone carrying a gun for self defense state they were in a state of fear as they did it.

Fear is the emotion you have about guns....for gun owners, they are putting the weapon on their belt with the same emotion as they do their cell phone.....

I already told you lots of times, I'm not scared of guns. I'm scared of gun nuts.

Define Gun Nut.

Anyone other than military or law enforcement who thinks they need to be armed every day. Here's one.

Yep, that's what I thought.

Some of us do need to be armed every day. We have a lot of liberals here, and liberals are violent people you know.

And there it is. A massively crazy statement to top off all your other crazy statements. I knew it was coming/

 

[BULLDOG]

I'm not terrified about guns. I'm terrified about so many idiots with guns.

Well that's your problem right there, you are terrified of the wrong people:

A newly-released report suggests that concealed carry permit holders are the most law-abiding citizens in the U.S.

The report, written by Crime Prevention Research Center president John Lott, notes that it is "very rare for permit holders to violate the law" and compares the crimes committed by permit holders to police officers and the general population. The police committed 103 crimes per 100,000 officers, while the general population committed 3,813 per 100,000 people, 37 times as much as the police crime rate.

And yet, the same metric shows an even lower crime rate for permit holders.

"Combining the data for Florida and Texas data, we find that permit holders are convicted of misdemeanors and felonies at less than a sixth the rate for police officers," Lott writes. "Among police, firearms violations occur at a rate of 16.5 per 100,000 officers. Among permit holders in Florida and Texas, the rate is only 2.4 per 100,000.10 That is just 1/7th of the rate for police officers. But there's no need to focus on Texas and Florida — the data are similar in other states."

Report: Concealed Carry Permit Holders Are The Most Law-Abiding People In The Country

Yep. Good old John Lott. Putting him on the payroll was some of the most effective money the gun manufacturers and the NRA have ever spent.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

HTF is carrying a loaded gun endangering the public????

Get ahold of an old NRA gun safety manual from at least 20 years ago. Before their focus changed from gun safety to gun sales. That will explain it quite well.

Dumb shit.....I went through the 8 hour NRA gun safety training...two year ago.....you have no clue what the hell you are talking about......are you really this dumb....? Do you practice at being this dumb?

Did they teach you the potential dangers of a loaded gun in public, or are you just as uninformed as Ray?

Us uninformed? I bet you never shot a gun in your life. We took courses on guns and gun safety. And let me correct you on another thing: The NRA course we took mentioned nothing about sales. The best gun salesman in our lifetime was Barack Obama.

Yes. The NRA claiming Obama as coming for your guns was the best sales gimmick in gun sales history. It never got close to happening, but that didn't matter as long as the gun nuts believed it.

Trust me, if not for our Constitution, the Democrats would have taken our guns years ago, or made laws where they were almost impossible to get.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I'm not terrified about guns. I'm terrified about so many idiots with guns.

Well that's your problem right there, you are terrified of the wrong people:

A newly-released report suggests that concealed carry permit holders are the most law-abiding citizens in the U.S.

The report, written by Crime Prevention Research Center president John Lott, notes that it is "very rare for permit holders to violate the law" and compares the crimes committed by permit holders to police officers and the general population. The police committed 103 crimes per 100,000 officers, while the general population committed 3,813 per 100,000 people, 37 times as much as the police crime rate.

And yet, the same metric shows an even lower crime rate for permit holders.

"Combining the data for Florida and Texas data, we find that permit holders are convicted of misdemeanors and felonies at less than a sixth the rate for police officers," Lott writes. "Among police, firearms violations occur at a rate of 16.5 per 100,000 officers. Among permit holders in Florida and Texas, the rate is only 2.4 per 100,000.10 That is just 1/7th of the rate for police officers. But there's no need to focus on Texas and Florida — the data are similar in other states."

Report: Concealed Carry Permit Holders Are The Most Law-Abiding People In The Country

Yep. Good old John Lott. Putting him on the payroll was some of the most effective money the gun manufacturers and the NRA have ever spent.

So find credible evidence to discredit that report. I'll wait here.

 

[BULLDOG]

Get ahold of an old NRA gun safety manual from at least 20 years ago. Before their focus changed from gun safety to gun sales. That will explain it quite well.

Dumb shit.....I went through the 8 hour NRA gun safety training...two year ago.....you have no clue what the hell you are talking about......are you really this dumb....? Do you practice at being this dumb?

Did they teach you the potential dangers of a loaded gun in public, or are you just as uninformed as Ray?

Us uninformed? I bet you never shot a gun in your life. We took courses on guns and gun safety. And let me correct you on another thing: The NRA course we took mentioned nothing about sales. The best gun salesman in our lifetime was Barack Obama.

Yes. The NRA claiming Obama as coming for your guns was the best sales gimmick in gun sales history. It never got close to happening, but that didn't matter as long as the gun nuts believed it.

Trust me, if not for our Constitution, the Democrats would have taken our guns years ago, or made laws where they were almost impossible to get.

Yep. And they would have us all in FEMA prisons waiting on death panels too.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

HTF is carrying a loaded gun endangering the public????

Get ahold of an old NRA gun safety manual from at least 20 years ago. Before their focus changed from gun safety to gun sales. That will explain it quite well.

And that has what to do with my question????

You asked about dangers of a loaded gun in public. That manual lists several. If you don't even know what dangers exist, how can you take precautions to at least minimize them?

Very simple: Again, don't put a round into your chamber unless you are ready to use it. Keep your safety lock on and there won't be any accidental discharge.

The NRA doesn't teach about all the dead people who thought the gun didn't have one in the chamber any more? I guess they dropped a lot of their safety lessons.

What they teach is to make sure the chamber is empty. Many people involved in accidental shootings were unaware of that fact. A person trained in firearms usage knows never to point a gun at anybody even without any ammunition around.

 

[BULLDOG]

I'm not terrified about guns. I'm terrified about so many idiots with guns.

Well that's your problem right there, you are terrified of the wrong people:

A newly-released report suggests that concealed carry permit holders are the most law-abiding citizens in the U.S.

The report, written by Crime Prevention Research Center president John Lott, notes that it is "very rare for permit holders to violate the law" and compares the crimes committed by permit holders to police officers and the general population. The police committed 103 crimes per 100,000 officers, while the general population committed 3,813 per 100,000 people, 37 times as much as the police crime rate.

And yet, the same metric shows an even lower crime rate for permit holders.

"Combining the data for Florida and Texas data, we find that permit holders are convicted of misdemeanors and felonies at less than a sixth the rate for police officers," Lott writes. "Among police, firearms violations occur at a rate of 16.5 per 100,000 officers. Among permit holders in Florida and Texas, the rate is only 2.4 per 100,000.10 That is just 1/7th of the rate for police officers. But there's no need to focus on Texas and Florida — the data are similar in other states."

Report: Concealed Carry Permit Holders Are The Most Law-Abiding People In The Country

Yep. Good old John Lott. Putting him on the payroll was some of the most effective money the gun manufacturers and the NRA have ever spent.

So find credible evidence to discredit that report. I'll wait here.

No need. Research who the MAIN donors for the Crime Prevention Research Center are.