Gun free Britain? Murders going to hit 10 year high...

[Pilot1]

Why don't Democrats want to reduce Black on Black violence in our cities?

 

[JoeB131]

...let me say it again---the fact that smashes your Chicago bullshit
all I ever see in comments sections in CNN/ABC/Fox/Yahoo, etc is Chicago strict gun laws don't work--but they ARE
..Chicago is not even in the top ten most dangerous cities lists!!!
..Chicago is not even in the top ten most dangerous cities lists!!!
but very pro-gun St Louis is !!!

so stop with the Chicago strict gun laws crap
if you want to talk about NH/etc etc etc -- that's a different point/subject

Chicago doesn't have strict gun laws... We haven't had them since the McDonald Decision struck down the city's 1984 gun ban.

 

[JoeB131]

Just how the fuck am I supposed to know what murders the UK doesn't count

I gave you a fucking governemnt publication that says what they do

Yeah,b ecause I can get you a link that tells me EXACTLY how many murders happen in the UK.

You just claim that they aren't counting the ones where convictions weren't achieved... which is probably very few of them, the British have something like a 90% clearance rate on murders, because they have so few and each one gets properly investigated. .

 

[2aguy]

Yep....young males, raised without fathers to teach them to be adult men, mixed with 3rd world males running the drug gangs, and the British police hamstrung due to lack of manpower, money, and politically correct rules of engagment.....

London on course for highest number of killings in a decade after 2018 passes 2017 total

You do realise that London isn't Britain...don't you?

Chicago isn't the United States either asshole!
Remove every illegal gun in every inner city shithole in the US and the 'gun violence' stats would fall dramatically.
How Bad Is Violence in Chicago? Depends on Your Race - The Atlantic

Our murder rate is skewed by just a handful of inner city areas in this country because 70% of all murder occurs in these very small very well defined areas of just 2% of all the counties in the country

so we don't want to try to cut this murder rate down?? wherever the murders are??
they are ok because they are in those areas?
they still add to the murder rate--you can't pick and choose

No...we want to cut those murder rates down but your way, taking guns from people who don't commit the gun crime doesn't work. We told you what works....when you catch violent gun offenders committing crimes with guns, you lock them up for 30 years.....if you catch a felon with an illegal gun you lock them up for 30 years....then, like in Japan, the criminals will stop using guns for crime....but when you do as the democrat party does, with their judges and politicians, and you make repeat, violent gun crimes revolving door crimes ....then you don't lower the gun murder rate.

 

[2aguy]

Just how the fuck am I supposed to know what murders the UK doesn't count

I gave you a fucking governemnt publication that says what they do

Yeah,b ecause I can get you a link that tells me EXACTLY how many murders happen in the UK.

You just claim that they aren't counting the ones where convictions weren't achieved... which is probably very few of them, the British have something like a 90% clearance rate on murders, because they have so few and each one gets properly investigated. .

Not anymore..... they are taking money from police for their social welfare programs, and they are handicapping the police with accusations of racism and politically correct policies....

 

[2aguy]

...let me say it again---the fact that smashes your Chicago bullshit
all I ever see in comments sections in CNN/ABC/Fox/Yahoo, etc is Chicago strict gun laws don't work--but they ARE
..Chicago is not even in the top ten most dangerous cities lists!!!
..Chicago is not even in the top ten most dangerous cities lists!!!
but very pro-gun St Louis is !!!

so stop with the Chicago strict gun laws crap
if you want to talk about NH/etc etc etc -- that's a different point/subject

Chicago doesn't have strict gun laws... We haven't had them since the McDonald Decision struck down the city's 1984 gun ban.

We don't have gun stores or gun ranges in the city, we have strict gun control laws...what we also have are democrat judges putting violent, repeat gun offenders back on the street...that is the problem, not law abiding gun owners who carry guns for self defense.

 

[2aguy]

UK--a pro-gun argument................???!!!!!!!

Again with the gun murder rate, a rate that has always, always been low in Britain even when they allowed normal people to own guns. Now, with guns banned and confiscated their gun crime rate is going up....while here, where more Americans own and carry guns, our gun crime and gun murder rate are going down...

You can't explain that which is why you focus on gun murder...something that was always low in Britain, even with guns.

 

[2aguy]

Shows what happens when you introduce more guns into a society

There are more guns in rural america than in urban america and the crime RATES are higher in urban america

Yep....especially those areas controlled by democrats...

Analysis | The surprising way gun violence is dividing America

In the most Democratic regions, gun violence is more often committed against another, crimes that probably generate more news coverage and fear. In the most Republican areas, it is more often committed against oneself, suicides that may not attract as much attention.

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As the below charts show, Democratic areas (measured by the party that controls the congressional district) are far more likely to experience almost all forms of malicious gun violence than Republican areas.

 

[2aguy]

Funny when I told you they use a different methodology for defining murder you scoffed. but now you use the very argument you dismissed

Not at all... there's really only one way to define murder. You got a dead body and someone killed him... everyone defines that the same way.

But the US doesn't call it rape until fluids are exchanged, while the Brits call any clumsy groping a rape.

Most of us don't give a flying or any other kind of fuck about the UK and their boot licking monarch worshipers but you control freaks seem to love the UK so much you want to be just like them

YOu mean, when we see something they do that works, um, yeah, we should totally try that.

Gun control works in the UK. They have less murder, so little crime they can actually investigate the little stuff our cops ignore, it's safe to go out on the street at night....

But man, every time we have a mass shooting, TwoTinyGuy gets out here and tells us how it's just awful that the London has a quarter of the number of murders Chicago has with three times as many people.

Gun control to work, would mean a reduction in gun crime. There has not been a reduction in gun crime, there has only been an increase in gun crime since they banned and confiscated guns. Now you will say the gun murder rate...but there has not been a decrease in the gun murder rate, so gun control has had no effect on that.....then you will say mass public shootings, and you fail with that because Britain averaged 1 mass public shooting every 10 years before they banned guns, and in recent years they have almost had 4, with all 4 stopped by random luck, not their gun laws.....

You don't know what you are talking about.

 

[2aguy]

You guys have to hide behind the murder rate because the increasing gun crime shows taking guns away from law abiding people does not decrease the gun crime rate...

Except countries that don't have private gun ownership have a lot less murder than we do.

I kind of don't care about other crimes... you can get over those. You don't get over being dead.

Wrong....America, with all it's guns ranks at 111 for murder across the globe.

Then, when you roll into that number the 1.1 million times a year Americans use their guns to stop rape, robbery and murder as well as mass public shootings, you have no argument.

 

[JoeB131]

No...we want to cut those murder rates down but your way, taking guns from people who don't commit the gun crime doesn't work. We told you what works....when you catch violent gun offenders committing crimes with guns, you lock them up for 30 years.....if you catch a felon with an illegal gun you lock them up for 30 years....then, like in Japan, the criminals will stop using guns for crime....but when you do as the democrat party does, with their judges and politicians, and you make repeat, violent gun crimes revolving door crimes ....then you don't lower the gun murder rate.

again, if we did what Japan did, we'd only lock up 70,000 people instead of the two million we lock up now.

If locking people up was really a deterrent to crime, we'd be there.

 

[2aguy]

No...we want to cut those murder rates down but your way, taking guns from people who don't commit the gun crime doesn't work. We told you what works....when you catch violent gun offenders committing crimes with guns, you lock them up for 30 years.....if you catch a felon with an illegal gun you lock them up for 30 years....then, like in Japan, the criminals will stop using guns for crime....but when you do as the democrat party does, with their judges and politicians, and you make repeat, violent gun crimes revolving door crimes ....then you don't lower the gun murder rate.

again, if we did what Japan did, we'd only lock up 70,000 people instead of the two million we lock up now.

If locking people up was really a deterrent to crime, we'd be there.

Japan is a police state...yes...you like police states but Americans don't.....I just posted a thread on buying a bicycle in Japan, and the police involvement in that simple a task is insane.....they stop their criminals from carrying guns by locking them up for 15 years if they are caught with a gun, multiple guns, more time, bullets in the gun, even more time.....our democrat party judges and politicians let violent, known, repeat gun offenders out on bail after they are caught using a gun in a crime, and when they are felons caught in possession of a gun.....then, when they are caught in actual gun murder...they get bail.....and under 3 years jail time....

That is our problem, not law abiding people carrying guns for self defense.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

UK--a pro-gun argument................???!!!!!!!

Again with the gun murder rate, a rate that has always, always been low in Britain even when they allowed normal people to own guns. Now, with guns banned and confiscated their gun crime rate is going up....while here, where more Americans own and carry guns, our gun crime and gun murder rate are going down...

You can't explain that which is why you focus on gun murder...something that was always low in Britain, even with guns.

The gun murderr rate in Britain has always been low because we have never had your gun culture. When they banned handguns everybody thought it was a good idea. And it was. Nobody is agitating for the ban to be lifted. We dont want to become like America.

 

[2aguy]

UK--a pro-gun argument................???!!!!!!!

Again with the gun murder rate, a rate that has always, always been low in Britain even when they allowed normal people to own guns. Now, with guns banned and confiscated their gun crime rate is going up....while here, where more Americans own and carry guns, our gun crime and gun murder rate are going down...

You can't explain that which is why you focus on gun murder...something that was always low in Britain, even with guns.

The gun murderr rate in Britain has always been low because we have never had your gun culture. When they banned handguns everybody thought it was a good idea. And it was. Nobody is agitating for the ban to be lifted. We dont want to become like America.

No.... the gun murder rate has been low because your criminals don't murder their victims. They banned handguns and criminals now have more of them.

You want your innocent people to be increasingly victimized by violent criminals.....you now have that.

 

[harmonica]

Yep....young males, raised without fathers to teach them to be adult men, mixed with 3rd world males running the drug gangs, and the British police hamstrung due to lack of manpower, money, and politically correct rules of engagment.....

London on course for highest number of killings in a decade after 2018 passes 2017 total

You do realise that London isn't Britain...don't you?

Chicago isn't the United States either asshole!
Remove every illegal gun in every inner city shithole in the US and the 'gun violence' stats would fall dramatically.
How Bad Is Violence in Chicago? Depends on Your Race - The Atlantic

Our murder rate is skewed by just a handful of inner city areas in this country because 70% of all murder occurs in these very small very well defined areas of just 2% of all the counties in the country

so we don't want to try to cut this murder rate down?? wherever the murders are??
they are ok because they are in those areas?
they still add to the murder rate--you can't pick and choose

No...we want to cut those murder rates down but your way, taking guns from people who don't commit the gun crime doesn't work. We told you what works....when you catch violent gun offenders committing crimes with guns, you lock them up for 30 years.....if you catch a felon with an illegal gun you lock them up for 30 years....then, like in Japan, the criminals will stop using guns for crime....but when you do as the democrat party does, with their judges and politicians, and you make repeat, violent gun crimes revolving door crimes ....then you don't lower the gun murder rate.

it does work in Germany, France, UK, NYCity, LA, Chicago

 

[Tommy Tainant]

UK--a pro-gun argument................???!!!!!!!

Again with the gun murder rate, a rate that has always, always been low in Britain even when they allowed normal people to own guns. Now, with guns banned and confiscated their gun crime rate is going up....while here, where more Americans own and carry guns, our gun crime and gun murder rate are going down...

You can't explain that which is why you focus on gun murder...something that was always low in Britain, even with guns.

The gun murderr rate in Britain has always been low because we have never had your gun culture. When they banned handguns everybody thought it was a good idea. And it was. Nobody is agitating for the ban to be lifted. We dont want to become like America.

No.... the gun murder rate has been low because your criminals don't murder their victims. They banned handguns and criminals now have more of them.

You want your innocent people to be increasingly victimized by violent criminals.....you now have that.

You know nothing about the UK.

Let me explain it to you.

US - lots of guns,lots of murders
UK - not many guns,not many murders.

That is it. You cannot produce one piece of data to challenge that. Not one.

 

[2aguy]

You do realise that London isn't Britain...don't you?

Chicago isn't the United States either asshole!
Remove every illegal gun in every inner city shithole in the US and the 'gun violence' stats would fall dramatically.
How Bad Is Violence in Chicago? Depends on Your Race - The Atlantic

Our murder rate is skewed by just a handful of inner city areas in this country because 70% of all murder occurs in these very small very well defined areas of just 2% of all the counties in the country

so we don't want to try to cut this murder rate down?? wherever the murders are??
they are ok because they are in those areas?
they still add to the murder rate--you can't pick and choose

No...we want to cut those murder rates down but your way, taking guns from people who don't commit the gun crime doesn't work. We told you what works....when you catch violent gun offenders committing crimes with guns, you lock them up for 30 years.....if you catch a felon with an illegal gun you lock them up for 30 years....then, like in Japan, the criminals will stop using guns for crime....but when you do as the democrat party does, with their judges and politicians, and you make repeat, violent gun crimes revolving door crimes ....then you don't lower the gun murder rate.

it does work in Germany, France, UK, NYCity, LA, Chicago

Chicago? U.K....where gun crime is going up? Germany and France....France? Where criminals get fully automatic military weapons easily? L.A........

You have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[2aguy]

UK--a pro-gun argument................???!!!!!!!

Again with the gun murder rate, a rate that has always, always been low in Britain even when they allowed normal people to own guns. Now, with guns banned and confiscated their gun crime rate is going up....while here, where more Americans own and carry guns, our gun crime and gun murder rate are going down...

You can't explain that which is why you focus on gun murder...something that was always low in Britain, even with guns.

The gun murderr rate in Britain has always been low because we have never had your gun culture. When they banned handguns everybody thought it was a good idea. And it was. Nobody is agitating for the ban to be lifted. We dont want to become like America.

No.... the gun murder rate has been low because your criminals don't murder their victims. They banned handguns and criminals now have more of them.

You want your innocent people to be increasingly victimized by violent criminals.....you now have that.

You know nothing about the UK.

Let me explain it to you.

US - lots of guns,lots of murders
UK - not many guns,not many murders.

That is it. You cannot produce one piece of data to challenge that. Not one.

Britain didn't have lots of murders before they banned guns..... they banned guns and they didn't change their gun murder rate....gun crime, however, keeps going up, showing that gun control is not working.

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .

British Politicians Declare War on Knives

Firearms are strictly restricted in the U.K., including a near-total ban on handguns. Nevertheless, "n the 12 months to October 2017, there were 2,500 offences involving guns: a 16 per cent increase on the previous year and a 44 per cent increase on 2014," the London Assembly's Police and Crime Committee noted in January. Criminals, it seems, are not averse to committing crimes—including the illegal acquisition of tools that help them commit more crimes.

Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

And as time goes on, the violence increases....

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.===========

 

[2aguy]

You do realise that London isn't Britain...don't you?

Chicago isn't the United States either asshole!
Remove every illegal gun in every inner city shithole in the US and the 'gun violence' stats would fall dramatically.
How Bad Is Violence in Chicago? Depends on Your Race - The Atlantic

Our murder rate is skewed by just a handful of inner city areas in this country because 70% of all murder occurs in these very small very well defined areas of just 2% of all the counties in the country

so we don't want to try to cut this murder rate down?? wherever the murders are??
they are ok because they are in those areas?
they still add to the murder rate--you can't pick and choose

No...we want to cut those murder rates down but your way, taking guns from people who don't commit the gun crime doesn't work. We told you what works....when you catch violent gun offenders committing crimes with guns, you lock them up for 30 years.....if you catch a felon with an illegal gun you lock them up for 30 years....then, like in Japan, the criminals will stop using guns for crime....but when you do as the democrat party does, with their judges and politicians, and you make repeat, violent gun crimes revolving door crimes ....then you don't lower the gun murder rate.

it does work in Germany, France, UK, NYCity, LA, Chicago

And Sweden...?

Gun Laws in Sweden

Gun violence in Sweden surpasses neighboring countries, researchers say - Radio Sweden

New research says Sweden sees more deadly shootings per capita than its closest European neighbors, and the low number of gun crimes solved by police here may be part of the reason why.

Sweden experiences four to five times more fatal shootings per capita than Norway and Germany, according to the ongoing research from Malmö University, Karolinska Hospital and Stockholm University.

The areas with the most shootings are Sweden's major cities: Stockholm, Gothenburg and Malmö. The victims as well as the perpetrators also tend to be younger than those in other the countries.

 

[2aguy]

You do realise that London isn't Britain...don't you?

Chicago isn't the United States either asshole!
Remove every illegal gun in every inner city shithole in the US and the 'gun violence' stats would fall dramatically.
How Bad Is Violence in Chicago? Depends on Your Race - The Atlantic

Our murder rate is skewed by just a handful of inner city areas in this country because 70% of all murder occurs in these very small very well defined areas of just 2% of all the counties in the country

so we don't want to try to cut this murder rate down?? wherever the murders are??
they are ok because they are in those areas?
they still add to the murder rate--you can't pick and choose

No...we want to cut those murder rates down but your way, taking guns from people who don't commit the gun crime doesn't work. We told you what works....when you catch violent gun offenders committing crimes with guns, you lock them up for 30 years.....if you catch a felon with an illegal gun you lock them up for 30 years....then, like in Japan, the criminals will stop using guns for crime....but when you do as the democrat party does, with their judges and politicians, and you make repeat, violent gun crimes revolving door crimes ....then you don't lower the gun murder rate.

it does work in Germany, France, UK, NYCity, LA, Chicago

You really don't know what you are talking about....


France?


Five things to know about guns in France

4. Millions of illegal weapons

France is awash with illegal weapons, with some experts saying that the number of illegal guns may be twice the number of legal ones.

Weapons such as Kalashnikovs, many of which were originally used in the Balkan wars in the 1990s, can be bought for less than 3,000 euros on the black market.

Kalashnikovs are the weapon of choice in deadly score-settling between rival drug gangs in the southern port city of Marseille.

The assault rifles were also the main weapon used in the radical Islamist terror attacks in France in recent years.

The worst single mass shooting took place in the Bataclan concert hall in Paris in November 2015, when gunmen sprayed concert-goers with bullets, killing 89 of them. Dozens more were killed in other attacks the same night in the French capital.