Gun free Britain? Murders going to hit 10 year high...

[idb]

Yep....young males, raised without fathers to teach them to be adult men, mixed with 3rd world males running the drug gangs, and the British police hamstrung due to lack of manpower, money, and politically correct rules of engagment.....

London on course for highest number of killings in a decade after 2018 passes 2017 total

You do realise that London isn't Britain...don't you?

Chicago isn't the United States either asshole!
Remove every illegal gun in every inner city shithole in the US and the 'gun violence' stats would fall dramatically.
How Bad Is Violence in Chicago? Depends on Your Race - The Atlantic

Is that one of them nun secateurs?
TwoTinyGuys starts a thread titled Britain Murders Going To Hit 10 Year High...then links to an article about killings in London.
What are you talking about?

 

[idb]

Yep....young males, raised without fathers to teach them to be adult men, mixed with 3rd world males running the drug gangs, and the British police hamstrung due to lack of manpower, money, and politically correct rules of engagment.....

London on course for highest number of killings in a decade after 2018 passes 2017 total

You do realise that London isn't Britain...don't you?

Chicago isn't the United States either asshole!
Remove every illegal gun in every inner city shithole in the US and the 'gun violence' stats would fall dramatically.
How Bad Is Violence in Chicago? Depends on Your Race - The Atlantic

Is that one of them nun secateurs?
TwoTinyGuys starts a thread titled Britain Murders Going To Hit 10 Year High...then links to an article about killings in London.
What are you talking about?

 

[idb]

Yep....young males, raised without fathers to teach them to be adult men, mixed with 3rd world males running the drug gangs, and the British police hamstrung due to lack of manpower, money, and politically correct rules of engagment.....

London on course for highest number of killings in a decade after 2018 passes 2017 total

You do realise that London isn't Britain...don't you?

Chicago isn't the United States either asshole!
Remove every illegal gun in every inner city shithole in the US and the 'gun violence' stats would fall dramatically.
How Bad Is Violence in Chicago? Depends on Your Race - The Atlantic

Is that one of them nun secateurs?
TwoTinyGuys starts a thread titled Britain Murders Going To Hit 10 Year High...then links to an article about killings in London.
What are you talking about?

 

[idb]

Yep....young males, raised without fathers to teach them to be adult men, mixed with 3rd world males running the drug gangs, and the British police hamstrung due to lack of manpower, money, and politically correct rules of engagment.....

London on course for highest number of killings in a decade after 2018 passes 2017 total

You do realise that London isn't Britain...don't you?

Chicago isn't the United States either asshole!
Remove every illegal gun in every inner city shithole in the US and the 'gun violence' stats would fall dramatically.
How Bad Is Violence in Chicago? Depends on Your Race - The Atlantic

Is that one of them nun secateurs?
TwoTinyGuys starts a thread titled Britain Murders Going To Hit 10 Year High...then links to an article about killings in London.
What are you talking about?

 

[idb]

Yep....young males, raised without fathers to teach them to be adult men, mixed with 3rd world males running the drug gangs, and the British police hamstrung due to lack of manpower, money, and politically correct rules of engagment.....

London on course for highest number of killings in a decade after 2018 passes 2017 total

You do realise that London isn't Britain...don't you?

Chicago isn't the United States either asshole!
Remove every illegal gun in every inner city shithole in the US and the 'gun violence' stats would fall dramatically.
How Bad Is Violence in Chicago? Depends on Your Race - The Atlantic

Is that one of them nun secateurs?
TwoTinyGuys starts a thread titled Britain Murders Going To Hit 10 Year High...then links to an article about killings in London.
What are you talking about?

 

[idb]

Yep....young males, raised without fathers to teach them to be adult men, mixed with 3rd world males running the drug gangs, and the British police hamstrung due to lack of manpower, money, and politically correct rules of engagment.....

London on course for highest number of killings in a decade after 2018 passes 2017 total

You do realise that London isn't Britain...don't you?

Chicago isn't the United States either asshole!
Remove every illegal gun in every inner city shithole in the US and the 'gun violence' stats would fall dramatically.
How Bad Is Violence in Chicago? Depends on Your Race - The Atlantic

Is that one of them nun secateurs?
TwoTinyGuys starts a thread titled Britain Murders Going To Hit 10 Year High...then links to an article about killings in London.
What are you talking about?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

UK--a pro-gun argument................???!!!!!!!

Again with the gun murder rate, a rate that has always, always been low in Britain even when they allowed normal people to own guns. Now, with guns banned and confiscated their gun crime rate is going up....while here, where more Americans own and carry guns, our gun crime and gun murder rate are going down...

You can't explain that which is why you focus on gun murder...something that was always low in Britain, even with guns.

The gun murderr rate in Britain has always been low because we have never had your gun culture. When they banned handguns everybody thought it was a good idea. And it was. Nobody is agitating for the ban to be lifted. We dont want to become like America.

No.... the gun murder rate has been low because your criminals don't murder their victims. They banned handguns and criminals now have more of them.

You want your innocent people to be increasingly victimized by violent criminals.....you now have that.

You know nothing about the UK.

Let me explain it to you.

US - lots of guns,lots of murders
UK - not many guns,not many murders.

That is it. You cannot produce one piece of data to challenge that. Not one.

Britain didn't have lots of murders before they banned guns..... they banned guns and they didn't change their gun murder rate....gun crime, however, keeps going up, showing that gun control is not working.

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .

British Politicians Declare War on Knives

Firearms are strictly restricted in the U.K., including a near-total ban on handguns. Nevertheless, "n the 12 months to October 2017, there were 2,500 offences involving guns: a 16 per cent increase on the previous year and a 44 per cent increase on 2014," the London Assembly's Police and Crime Committee noted in January. Criminals, it seems, are not averse to committing crimes—including the illegal acquisition of tools that help them commit more crimes.

Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

And as time goes on, the violence increases....

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.===========

I see that you ignore my point and launch your cutnpaste library. I know why as well. My point cannot be refuted.

 

[idb]

Yep....young males, raised without fathers to teach them to be adult men, mixed with 3rd world males running the drug gangs, and the British police hamstrung due to lack of manpower, money, and politically correct rules of engagment.....

London on course for highest number of killings in a decade after 2018 passes 2017 total

You do realise that London isn't Britain...don't you?

Chicago isn't the United States either asshole!
Remove every illegal gun in every inner city shithole in the US and the 'gun violence' stats would fall dramatically.
How Bad Is Violence in Chicago? Depends on Your Race - The Atlantic

Is that one of them nun secateurs?
TwoTinyGuys starts a thread titled Britain Murders Going To Hit 10 Year High...then links to an article about killings in London.
What are you talking about?

 

[idb]

Yep....young males, raised without fathers to teach them to be adult men, mixed with 3rd world males running the drug gangs, and the British police hamstrung due to lack of manpower, money, and politically correct rules of engagment.....

London on course for highest number of killings in a decade after 2018 passes 2017 total

You do realise that London isn't Britain...don't you?

Chicago isn't the United States either asshole!
Remove every illegal gun in every inner city shithole in the US and the 'gun violence' stats would fall dramatically.
How Bad Is Violence in Chicago? Depends on Your Race - The Atlantic

Is that one of them nun secateurs?
TwoTinyGuys starts a thread titled Britain Murders Going To Hit 10 Year High...then links to an article about killings in London.
What are you talking about?

 

[JoeB131]

Japan is a police state...yes...you like police states but Americans don't.....

funny, we lock up 2,000,000 people and the police kill 1200 citizens a year. That strikes me as a police state.

The Japanese only lock up 67,000 people and it's considered a scandal if the police even take their guns out of the holster.

.they stop their criminals from carrying guns by locking them up for 15 years if they are caught with a gun, multiple guns, more time, bullets in the gun, even more time.....

Wonderful. Let's ban guns and lock up people who have them. Works for me.

Kind of hard for us to lock up people for having guns if we've declared gun possession a "right", isn't it?

That is our problem, not law abiding people carrying guns for self defense.

Most gun deaths are suicides, domestic violence and accidents in the home... that's the problem.

Like your boy in Chicago... was able to buy a bunch of guns... because he hadn't been convicted of anything.

 

[harmonica]

UK--a pro-gun argument................???!!!!!!!

Again with the gun murder rate, a rate that has always, always been low in Britain even when they allowed normal people to own guns. Now, with guns banned and confiscated their gun crime rate is going up....while here, where more Americans own and carry guns, our gun crime and gun murder rate are going down...

You can't explain that which is why you focus on gun murder...something that was always low in Britain, even with guns.

The gun murderr rate in Britain has always been low because we have never had your gun culture. When they banned handguns everybody thought it was a good idea. And it was. Nobody is agitating for the ban to be lifted. We dont want to become like America.

No.... the gun murder rate has been low because your criminals don't murder their victims. They banned handguns and criminals now have more of them.

You want your innocent people to be increasingly victimized by violent criminals.....you now have that.

You know nothing about the UK.

Let me explain it to you.

US - lots of guns,lots of murders
UK - not many guns,not many murders.

That is it. You cannot produce one piece of data to challenge that. Not one.

Britain didn't have lots of murders before they banned guns..... they banned guns and they didn't change their gun murder rate....gun crime, however, keeps going up, showing that gun control is not working.

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .

British Politicians Declare War on Knives

Firearms are strictly restricted in the U.K., including a near-total ban on handguns. Nevertheless, "n the 12 months to October 2017, there were 2,500 offences involving guns: a 16 per cent increase on the previous year and a 44 per cent increase on 2014," the London Assembly's Police and Crime Committee noted in January. Criminals, it seems, are not averse to committing crimes—including the illegal acquisition of tools that help them commit more crimes.

Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

And as time goes on, the violence increases....

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.===========

 

[dannyboys]

Yep....young males, raised without fathers to teach them to be adult men, mixed with 3rd world males running the drug gangs, and the British police hamstrung due to lack of manpower, money, and politically correct rules of engagment.....

London on course for highest number of killings in a decade after 2018 passes 2017 total

You do realise that London isn't Britain...don't you?

Chicago isn't the United States either asshole!
Remove every illegal gun in every inner city shithole in the US and the 'gun violence' stats would fall dramatically.
How Bad Is Violence in Chicago? Depends on Your Race - The Atlantic

Is that one of them nun secateurs?
TwoTinyGuys starts a thread titled Britain Murders Going To Hit 10 Year High...then links to an article about killings in London.
What are you talking about?

You are obviously too fucked up to be functioning properly.
Get some help.

 

[harmonica]

Chicago isn't the United States either asshole!
Remove every illegal gun in every inner city shithole in the US and the 'gun violence' stats would fall dramatically.
How Bad Is Violence in Chicago? Depends on Your Race - The Atlantic

Our murder rate is skewed by just a handful of inner city areas in this country because 70% of all murder occurs in these very small very well defined areas of just 2% of all the counties in the country

so we don't want to try to cut this murder rate down?? wherever the murders are??
they are ok because they are in those areas?
they still add to the murder rate--you can't pick and choose

No...we want to cut those murder rates down but your way, taking guns from people who don't commit the gun crime doesn't work. We told you what works....when you catch violent gun offenders committing crimes with guns, you lock them up for 30 years.....if you catch a felon with an illegal gun you lock them up for 30 years....then, like in Japan, the criminals will stop using guns for crime....but when you do as the democrat party does, with their judges and politicians, and you make repeat, violent gun crimes revolving door crimes ....then you don't lower the gun murder rate.

it does work in Germany, France, UK, NYCity, LA, Chicago

And Sweden...?

Gun Laws in Sweden

Gun violence in Sweden surpasses neighboring countries, researchers say - Radio Sweden

New research says Sweden sees more deadly shootings per capita than its closest European neighbors, and the low number of gun crimes solved by police here may be part of the reason why.

Sweden experiences four to five times more fatal shootings per capita than Norway and Germany, according to the ongoing research from Malmö University, Karolinska Hospital and Stockholm University.

The areas with the most shootings are Sweden's major cities: Stockholm, Gothenburg and Malmö. The victims as well as the perpetrators also tend to be younger than those in other the countries.

 

[dannyboys]

Again with the gun murder rate, a rate that has always, always been low in Britain even when they allowed normal people to own guns. Now, with guns banned and confiscated their gun crime rate is going up....while here, where more Americans own and carry guns, our gun crime and gun murder rate are going down...

You can't explain that which is why you focus on gun murder...something that was always low in Britain, even with guns.

The gun murderr rate in Britain has always been low because we have never had your gun culture. When they banned handguns everybody thought it was a good idea. And it was. Nobody is agitating for the ban to be lifted. We dont want to become like America.

No.... the gun murder rate has been low because your criminals don't murder their victims. They banned handguns and criminals now have more of them.

You want your innocent people to be increasingly victimized by violent criminals.....you now have that.

You know nothing about the UK.

Let me explain it to you.

US - lots of guns,lots of murders
UK - not many guns,not many murders.

That is it. You cannot produce one piece of data to challenge that. Not one.

Britain didn't have lots of murders before they banned guns..... they banned guns and they didn't change their gun murder rate....gun crime, however, keeps going up, showing that gun control is not working.

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .

British Politicians Declare War on Knives

Firearms are strictly restricted in the U.K., including a near-total ban on handguns. Nevertheless, "n the 12 months to October 2017, there were 2,500 offences involving guns: a 16 per cent increase on the previous year and a 44 per cent increase on 2014," the London Assembly's Police and Crime Committee noted in January. Criminals, it seems, are not averse to committing crimes—including the illegal acquisition of tools that help them commit more crimes.

Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

And as time goes on, the violence increases....

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.===========

Your chart includes the number of suicides thus making it bogus ie relating to 'murders' involving guns.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Yep....young males, raised without fathers to teach them to be adult men, mixed with 3rd world males running the drug gangs, and the British police hamstrung due to lack of manpower, money, and politically correct rules of engagment.....

London on course for highest number of killings in a decade after 2018 passes 2017 total

You do realise that London isn't Britain...don't you?

Chicago isn't the United States either asshole!
Remove every illegal gun in every inner city shithole in the US and the 'gun violence' stats would fall dramatically.
How Bad Is Violence in Chicago? Depends on Your Race - The Atlantic

Our murder rate is skewed by just a handful of inner city areas in this country because 70% of all murder occurs in these very small very well defined areas of just 2% of all the counties in the country

Ok, if you want to play that game then we wont count London,Liverpool and Manchester. You are back in the same position.

WHat position ?

IDGAF about your murder rate never did. And I don't want to be in your position kneeling in front of some inbred monarch

Gun laws do not lower murder rates never did never will

Murder and homicide rates before and after gun bans - Crime Prevention Research Center

 

[Skull Pilot]

Yep....young males, raised without fathers to teach them to be adult men, mixed with 3rd world males running the drug gangs, and the British police hamstrung due to lack of manpower, money, and politically correct rules of engagment.....

London on course for highest number of killings in a decade after 2018 passes 2017 total

You do realise that London isn't Britain...don't you?

Chicago isn't the United States either asshole!
Remove every illegal gun in every inner city shithole in the US and the 'gun violence' stats would fall dramatically.
How Bad Is Violence in Chicago? Depends on Your Race - The Atlantic

Our murder rate is skewed by just a handful of inner city areas in this country because 70% of all murder occurs in these very small very well defined areas of just 2% of all the counties in the country

so we don't want to try to cut this murder rate down?? wherever the murders are??
they are ok because they are in those areas?
they still add to the murder rate--you can't pick and choose

No you don't because none of you gun control freaks ever address the very real problem in our inner cities that breed the violence that skews our murder rates.

All you want to talk about is mass shootings (1% of all murder) and you all like to add suicide into your numbers even though it is not a crime,(2/3 of all gun deaths)

And these murders account for 70% of the murder rate but none of you ever mention that or even respond to the many times I have posted this fact and the reasons why these ultra-violent areas exist

 

[Skull Pilot]

Yep....young males, raised without fathers to teach them to be adult men, mixed with 3rd world males running the drug gangs, and the British police hamstrung due to lack of manpower, money, and politically correct rules of engagment.....

London on course for highest number of killings in a decade after 2018 passes 2017 total

You do realise that London isn't Britain...don't you?

Chicago isn't the United States either asshole!
Remove every illegal gun in every inner city shithole in the US and the 'gun violence' stats would fall dramatically.
How Bad Is Violence in Chicago? Depends on Your Race - The Atlantic

Our murder rate is skewed by just a handful of inner city areas in this country because 70% of all murder occurs in these very small very well defined areas of just 2% of all the counties in the country

Ok, if you want to play that game then we wont count London,Liverpool and Manchester. You are back in the same position.

Our country is much larger than yours and we see 70% of murders occurring in very small very well defined areas in just 2% of all the counties in the country. In fact these areas are so concentrated that just a mile away from an area where the murder rate annually is extremely high the murder rate of another neighborhood can be and often is extremely low.

Face it the US has very real and very significant differences from the UK that go far beyond gun laws but you don't know anything about these things and you keep forgetting that most Americans don't give a flying or any other kind of fuck about what you Brits think

 

[Skull Pilot]

Just how the fuck am I supposed to know what murders the UK doesn't count

I gave you a fucking governemnt publication that says what they do

Yeah,b ecause I can get you a link that tells me EXACTLY how many murders happen in the UK.

You just claim that they aren't counting the ones where convictions weren't achieved... which is probably very few of them, the British have something like a 90% clearance rate on murders, because they have so few and each one gets properly investigated. .

No you can get a link to how many murders were counted as murders in the UK because they only count the ones that end in a conviction in the courts as the document from the House of Commons clearly states

 

[Skull Pilot]

UK--a pro-gun argument................???!!!!!!!

Again with the gun murder rate, a rate that has always, always been low in Britain even when they allowed normal people to own guns. Now, with guns banned and confiscated their gun crime rate is going up....while here, where more Americans own and carry guns, our gun crime and gun murder rate are going down...

You can't explain that which is why you focus on gun murder...something that was always low in Britain, even with guns.

The gun murderr rate in Britain has always been low because we have never had your gun culture. When they banned handguns everybody thought it was a good idea. And it was. Nobody is agitating for the ban to be lifted. We dont want to become like America.

And we sure as shit don;t want to be like the UK
So why don't you all just mind your own fucking business?

 

[harmonica]

Yep....young males, raised without fathers to teach them to be adult men, mixed with 3rd world males running the drug gangs, and the British police hamstrung due to lack of manpower, money, and politically correct rules of engagment.....

London on course for highest number of killings in a decade after 2018 passes 2017 total

You do realise that London isn't Britain...don't you?

Chicago isn't the United States either asshole!
Remove every illegal gun in every inner city shithole in the US and the 'gun violence' stats would fall dramatically.
How Bad Is Violence in Chicago? Depends on Your Race - The Atlantic

Our murder rate is skewed by just a handful of inner city areas in this country because 70% of all murder occurs in these very small very well defined areas of just 2% of all the counties in the country

so we don't want to try to cut this murder rate down?? wherever the murders are??
they are ok because they are in those areas?
they still add to the murder rate--you can't pick and choose

No you don't because none of you gun control freaks ever address the very real problem in our inner cities that breed the violence that skews our murder rates.

All you want to talk about is mass shootings (1% of all murder) and you all like to add suicide into your numbers even though it is not a crime,(2/3 of all gun deaths)

And these murders account for 70% of the murder rate but none of you ever mention that or even respond to the many times I have posted this fact and the reasons why these ultra-violent areas exist

1. so we don't want to cut the murders down? even in the inner cities? !?this is bad for all of Amerca

2. you will NEVER change humans--you CANNOT deny this
humans have murdered/raped/robbed since they were humans
you CAN control/restrict/regulate guns which affects murder rates-- [ as seen in Germany, France, UK, Japan, etc ]