Gun Violence: Third Of Global Public Mass Shootings Happen In US

[TheOldSchool]

When you have as many guns in a country as you do people, this is bound to happen.

~300,000,000 guns in the US.
8454 gun-related murders (2013)
99.99719% of the guns in the US are not involved in a murder.

If you include suicides and accidental discharge it's well over 30,000. But whatevs.

 

[M14 Shooter]

When you have as many guns in a country as you do people, this is bound to happen.

~300,000,000 guns in the US.
8454 gun-related murders (2013)
99.99719% of the guns in the US are not involved in a murder.

If you include suicides and accidental discharge it's well over 30,000. But whatevs.

The issue here is murder, not suicides and/or accidents, so thank you for your red herring.

 

[TheOldSchool]

When you have as many guns in a country as you do people, this is bound to happen.

~300,000,000 guns in the US.
8454 gun-related murders (2013)
99.99719% of the guns in the US are not involved in a murder.

If you include suicides and accidental discharge it's well over 30,000. But whatevs.

The issue here is murder, not suicides and/or accidents, so thank you for your red herring.

If the country had far less guns, we would be safer. I'm well aware that it's too late for that, there's too much of a gun loving culture here. IMO it's better to have a gun than not to. But I can't stand people who worship guns.

 

[M14 Shooter]

When you have as many guns in a country as you do people, this is bound to happen.

~300,000,000 guns in the US.
8454 gun-related murders (2013)
99.99719% of the guns in the US are not involved in a murder.

If you include suicides and accidental discharge it's well over 30,000. But whatevs.

The issue here is murder, not suicides and/or accidents, so thank you for your red herring.

If the country had far less guns, we would be safer

Really?
What other country has the same or greater % of its guns not involved in murders?
Please be sure to cite the source of your information.

 

[TheOldSchool]

When you have as many guns in a country as you do people, this is bound to happen.

~300,000,000 guns in the US.
8454 gun-related murders (2013)
99.99719% of the guns in the US are not involved in a murder.

If you include suicides and accidental discharge it's well over 30,000. But whatevs.

The issue here is murder, not suicides and/or accidents, so thank you for your red herring.

If the country had far less guns, we would be safer

Really?
What other country has the same or greater % of its guns not involved in murders?
Please be sure to cite the source of your information.

Can't I just list off murder rates among the 1st world countries?

 

[M14 Shooter]

~300,000,000 guns in the US.
8454 gun-related murders (2013)
99.99719% of the guns in the US are not involved in a murder.

If you include suicides and accidental discharge it's well over 30,000. But whatevs.

The issue here is murder, not suicides and/or accidents, so thank you for your red herring.

If the country had far less guns, we would be safer

Really?
What other country has the same or greater % of its guns not involved in murders?
Please be sure to cite the source of your information.

Can't I just list off murder rates among the 1st world countries?

As the per capita murder rate does not take into account the number of guns, you can do so, but it would be meaningless response.

 

[M14 Shooter]

300,000,000 guns, 8454 murders, 99.99719% of the guns in the US are not involved in a murder
38,000 blacks in the US, 5375 black murder offenders (2013), 99.98586% of the blacks in the US are not involved in a murder
.

 

[Brain357]

And this is how effective guns are at stopping rape......

And here we have studies that show that guns are the most effective way to stop a rape.....
Guns Effective Defense Against Rape

A woman using a gun is less likely to be raped and more likely to not be injured during the attack....

Guns Effective Defense Against Rape


However, most recent studies with improved methodology are consistently showing that the more forceful the resistance, the lower the risk of a completed rape, with no increase in physical injury. Sarah Ullman's original research (Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 1998) and critical review of past studies (Criminal Justice and Behavior, 1997) are especially valuable in solidifying this conclusion.

I wish to single out one particular subtype of physical resistance: Use of a weapon, and especially a firearm, is statistically a woman's best means of resistance, greatly enhancing her odds of escaping both rape and injury, compared to any other strategy of physical or verbal resistance. This conclusion is drawn from four types of information.

First, a 1989 study (Furby, Journal of Interpersonal Violence) found that both male and female survey respondents judged a gun to be the most effective means that a potential rape victim could use to fend off the assault. Rape "experts" considered it a close second, after eye-gouging.

Second, raw data from the 1979-1985 installments of the Justice Department's annual National Crime Victim Survey show that when a woman resists a stranger rape with a gun, the probability of completion was 0.1 percent and of victim injury 0.0 percent, compared to 31 percent and 40 percent, respectively, for all stranger rapes (Kleck, Social Problems, 1990).

Third, a recent paper (Southwick, Journal of Criminal Justice, 2000) analyzed victim resistance to violent crimes generally, with robbery, aggravated assault and rape considered together. Women who resisted with a gun were 2.5 times more likely to escape without injury than those who did not resist and 4 times more likely to escape uninjured than those who resisted with any means other than a gun. Similarly, their property losses in a robbery were reduced more than six-fold and almost three-fold, respectively, compared to the other categories of resistance strategy.

Fourth, we have two studies in the last 20 years that directly address the outcomes of women who resist attempted rape with a weapon. (Lizotte, Journal of Quantitative Criminology, 1986; Kleck, Social Problems, 1990.) The former concludes,"Further, women who resist rape with a gun or knife dramatically decrease their probability of completion." (Lizotte did not analyze victim injuries apart from the rape itself.) The latter concludes that "resistance with a gun or knife is the most effective form of resistance for preventing completion of a rape"; this is accomplished "without creating any significant additional risk of other injury."

The best conclusion from available scientific data, then, is when avoidance of rape has failed and one must choose between being raped and resisting, a woman's best option is to resist with a gun in her hands.

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So, again a woman's best chance for stopping the rape and ultimately surviving the situation is to use a gun.....

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http://www.hoboes.com/pub/Firearms/Data/Crime/Florida/Gun Ownership Stops Rape/
In Orlando, Florida, in 1966 a series of brutal rapes swept the
community. Citizens reacted to the tripling in the rate of rape
over the previous year by buying handguns for self-defense; 200-300
firearms were being purchased each week from dealers, and an unknown
number more from private parties. The newspaper there, the _Orlando
Sentinel Star_, had an anti-gun editorial stance and tried to pressure
the local police chief and city government to stop the flow of arms.
When that tactic failed, the paper decided that in the interest of
public safety, they would sponsor a gun-training seminar in conjunction
with the local police. Plans were made for a one-day training course at
a local city park.
Plans were made for an expected 400-500 women. However,
more than 2500 women arrived, and brought with them every conceivable
kind of firearm. They had to park many blocks away, and the weapons
were carried in in purses, paper bags, boxes, briefcases, holsters,
and womens' hands. One police officer present said he'd never been so
scared in his life. [It must have been quite a sight! ]
Swamped, the organizers hastily dismissed the women with promises for
a more thorough course with scheduled appointments. The course offered
was for three classes/week, and within 6 months, the Orlando police had
trained more than 6000 women in basic pistol marksmanship and the law
of self-defense.
The results?
In 1966 there were 36 rapes in Orlando, triple the 1965 rate. In 1967,
there were 4.
Before the training, rape rates had been increasing in
Orlando as nationwide.
5 years after the training, rape was still
below pre-training levels in Orlando, but up 308% in the surrounding
areas, 96% for Florida overall, and 64% nationally.
Also in 1967, violent assault and burglary decreased by 25% in Orlando,
in addition to the rape reductions.
In 1967, NOT A SINGLE WOMAN HAD FIRED HER WEAPON in self-defense. In
1967, NOT A SINGLE WOMAN HAD TURNED HER GUN ON HER HUSBAND OR BOYFRIEND.
(No data are available for later years.)
The reason the program worked so spectacularly well is that it was
widely known that Orlando women had the means and training to defend
themselves from attackers. Rapists, being (somewhat) human, they are
learning engines; they took their business elsewhere--to the detriment
of the defenseless in those other locations.
Department of Justice victim studies show that overall, when rape is
attempted, the completion rate is 36%. But when a woman defends herself
with a gun, the completion rate drops to 3%.

And for 19.95 you can read Southwick's 2000 study on guns that talk about rape.....

Self-defense with guns: The consequences

This one gives the actual percentages of how rapes are stopped...guns come out on top...

http://medind.nic.in/jal/t07/i4/jalt07i4p99.pdf

Most rapes aren't defendable with a gun.

And the ones that can be stopped with a gun are best stopped with a gun…….

This sounds much better based on results.

Study of Canadian University Women Shows Training Program Reduced Risk of Rape

 

[Brain357]

If you include suicides and accidental discharge it's well over 30,000. But whatevs.

The issue here is murder, not suicides and/or accidents, so thank you for your red herring.

If the country had far less guns, we would be safer

Really?
What other country has the same or greater % of its guns not involved in murders?
Please be sure to cite the source of your information.

Can't I just list off murder rates among the 1st world countries?

As the per capita murder rate does not take into account the number of guns, you can do so, but it would be meaningless response.

Your point is pretty meaningless.