Gunman at DC Navy Yard shoots at least 7

[westwall]

Then Ban Guns...Connery,this culture,GUN CULTURE.......is bad for the mind,the repercussions are horrendous......but after a couple of days the average Joe, thinks what the fuck......UNTIL THE NEXT TIME.

The question I ask....Do Americans really care about these killings and/or Gun Murders generally.

I personally believe that a decent society,will never really climb off the floor,that has a Gun Culture like in the US, because all these killings(WANTON MURDERS) ARE INDECENT

Ban Guns and you will eliminate Mental Insecurity....which Americans suffer with,It's an addiction and you all really need help.....GUNS ARE A CANCER TO AMERICAN FAMILY LIFE ..... WAKE UP AMERICA......... AND LIVE. steve

there is no gun culture. the gun culture is a left wing creation to put fear of guns into everyone. the usa isn't full of crazy gun nuts out shooting everyone up. this is so blown out of proportion. only .000036 of every gun owned is ever used to kill any one. a percentage so small if there wasn't a political agenda it would never even be brought up. the fact is that 99.999974% of the gun owners have no frigging clue what this gun culture really is.

Ban guns and you will eliminate mental insecurity? wtf kind of off the wall statement with no factual bearing at all kind of comment is that? talk about an over emotional, reactionary out of touch with reality statement is that?

Spoonie,I know loads of fine Conservative Americans who live and work in Western Australia(in fact I lease one of my properties to them.....by their own admission they are Gun Mad(in a nice way) my mate has a Gun range and sporting club,They love going there and a bbq and grog(beer) afterwards,I watch em on the range and they love their guns big time,more than their wives(well almost).......they give me statistics all the time....and try to get me to fire a weapon.No Chance.

But they all say that they do enjoy living in a Gun Free society,Americans by the fact of owning a Gun,makes them a part of the Gun Culture,as for your statistic of 99.9999974% of Gun owners having no Friggin Clue, then why do they bother to own them???

I'm not out of touch with reality .......I just live in a Gun Free Culture and Society...You should try it,it's great. Your mate steve

Sure thing Steve,

From the Australian Bureau of Criminology - 2010

Actually, if the Australian Bureau of Criminology can be believed, Americans would be insane to concern themselves with what non-Americans think about American gun rights.

In 2002 — five years after enacting its gun ban — the Australian Bureau of Criminology acknowledged there is no correlation between gun control and the use of firearms in violent crime. In fact, the percent of murders committed with a firearm was the highest it had ever been in 2006 (16.3 percent).

Even Australia’s Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:

In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.

Sexual assault — Australia’s equivalent term for rape — increased 29.9 percent.

Overall, Australia’s violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.

Moreover, Australia and the United States — where no gun-ban exists — both experienced similar decreases in murder rates:

Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America’s rate dropped 31.7 percent.
During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.

Sexual assault — Australia’s equivalent term for rape — increased 29.9 percent.

Overall, Australia’s violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2 percent.

Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.

So, if the USA follows Australia’s lead in banning guns, it should expect a 42 percent increase in violent crime, a higher percentage of murders committed with a gun, and three times more rape.

The International Crime Victims Survey, conducted by Leiden University in Holland, found that England and Wales ranked second overall in violent crime among industrialized nations. Twenty-six percent of English citizens — roughly one-quarter of the population — have been victimized by violent crime. Australia led the list with more than 30 percent of its population victimized. The United States didn’t even make the “top 10″ list of industrialized nations whose citizens were victimized by crime.

Looks like banning guns in Oz worked real good.

 

[Missourian]

there is no gun culture. the gun culture is a left wing creation to put fear of guns into everyone. the usa isn't full of crazy gun nuts out shooting everyone up. this is so blown out of proportion. only .000036 of every gun owned is ever used to kill any one. a percentage so small if there wasn't a political agenda it would never even be brought up. the fact is that 99.999974% of the gun owners have no frigging clue what this gun culture really is.

Ban guns and you will eliminate mental insecurity? wtf kind of off the wall statement with no factual bearing at all kind of comment is that? talk about an over emotional, reactionary out of touch with reality statement is that?

Spoonie,I know loads of fine Conservative Americans who live and work in Western Australia(in fact I lease one of my properties to them.....by their own admission they are Gun Mad(in a nice way) my mate has a Gun range and sporting club,They love going there and a bbq and grog(beer) afterwards,I watch em on the range and they love their guns big time,more than their wives(well almost).......they give me statistics all the time....and try to get me to fire a weapon.No Chance.

But they all say that they do enjoy living in a Gun Free society,Americans by the fact of owning a Gun,makes them a part of the Gun Culture,as for your statistic of 99.9999974% of Gun owners having no Friggin Clue, then why do they bother to own them???

I'm not out of touch with reality .......I just live in a Gun Free Culture and Society...You should try it,it's great. Your mate steve

Sure thing Steve,

From the Australian Bureau of Criminology - 2010

Actually, if the Australian Bureau of Criminology can be believed, Americans would be insane to concern themselves with what non-Americans think about American gun rights.

In 2002 — five years after enacting its gun ban — the Australian Bureau of Criminology acknowledged there is no correlation between gun control and the use of firearms in violent crime. In fact, the percent of murders committed with a firearm was the highest it had ever been in 2006 (16.3 percent).

Even Australia’s Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:

In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.

Sexual assault — Australia’s equivalent term for rape — increased 29.9 percent.

Overall, Australia’s violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.

Moreover, Australia and the United States — where no gun-ban exists — both experienced similar decreases in murder rates:

Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America’s rate dropped 31.7 percent.
During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.

Sexual assault — Australia’s equivalent term for rape — increased 29.9 percent.

Overall, Australia’s violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2 percent.

Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.

So, if the USA follows Australia’s lead in banning guns, it should expect a 42 percent increase in violent crime, a higher percentage of murders committed with a gun, and three times more rape.

The International Crime Victims Survey, conducted by Leiden University in Holland, found that England and Wales ranked second overall in violent crime among industrialized nations. Twenty-six percent of English citizens — roughly one-quarter of the population — have been victimized by violent crime. Australia led the list with more than 30 percent of its population victimized. The United States didn’t even make the “top 10″ list of industrialized nations whose citizens were victimized by crime.

Looks like banning guns in Oz worked real good.

^^^Excellent information.

 

[theliq]

there is no gun culture. the gun culture is a left wing creation to put fear of guns into everyone. the usa isn't full of crazy gun nuts out shooting everyone up. this is so blown out of proportion. only .000036 of every gun owned is ever used to kill any one. a percentage so small if there wasn't a political agenda it would never even be brought up. the fact is that 99.999974% of the gun owners have no frigging clue what this gun culture really is.

Ban guns and you will eliminate mental insecurity? wtf kind of off the wall statement with no factual bearing at all kind of comment is that? talk about an over emotional, reactionary out of touch with reality statement is that?

Spoonie,I know loads of fine Conservative Americans who live and work in Western Australia(in fact I lease one of my properties to them.....by their own admission they are Gun Mad(in a nice way) my mate has a Gun range and sporting club,They love going there and a bbq and grog(beer) afterwards,I watch em on the range and they love their guns big time,more than their wives(well almost).......they give me statistics all the time....and try to get me to fire a weapon.No Chance.

But they all say that they do enjoy living in a Gun Free society,Americans by the fact of owning a Gun,makes them a part of the Gun Culture,as for your statistic of 99.9999974% of Gun owners having no Friggin Clue, then why do they bother to own them???

I'm not out of touch with reality .......I just live in a Gun Free Culture and Society...You should try it,it's great. Your mate steve

you are free to live in your gun free society. It has no appeal to me at all. I live in no fear of guns here in the states. I have no concern I will be shot. I have no apprehension or anxiety over it at all. See you make an assumption the only reason to own a gun is too kill. because you have no clue. by your own admission you don't want to even try shooting one. so you have a negative bias on guns, which makes your perspective on then biased as well. you're entitled to your own opinion, but your opinion can govern no one other then yourself. you don't have the right to impose your biased opinion on anyone. A gun owner is not trying to force you to own a gun. but they are also not going to let your opinion sway their rights.

but back to my point, you believe the only purpose for a gun is to kill. I own a few dozen. I shoot a few hundred rounds a week minimum. not one bullet has ever killed anything. I don't even hunt. because you don't understand why someone would want a gun doesn't mean people should not have a gun. it doesn't mean gun owners are part of this ficticious bang bang shoot them up gun culture. it's a liberal myth. it doesn't exist.

Spoonie,the trouble is Women,Children and Men...DO GET KILLED/MURDERED by firearms as we have see in the US all to frequently.......I do understand you but I just cannot agree with your and others rationale that there is safety in everyone carrying a Gun.

It's silly to imply I'm a "Liberal Myth" I just feel it's safer for society in general not to have them.....it's certainly NOT bias opinion in my case because I make my own judgement.....It is ridiculous for you to say that I believe the only purpose for gun is to KILL.

Spoonie have a Great Day ...steve

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Statistics show only 3 shots needed for defense. Mass shooters however shoot a lot more. Also there are many examples of mass shooters being stopped at reload like Tucson. Will save lives.

3 shot guarantee?
How much in damages are you prepared to pay the victim of a rape who followed your advice and only fired 3 shots, at the gang of 10 who gang raped her ?

Just as much as the irresponsible gun owner who got their gun stolen and was later used in a crime.

If somebody is going to get raped by a gang of 10 they are pretty much out of luck. Last I checked gangs like guns. You think somebody is gonna outgun them?

Are rape victims irresponsible? Does it make you feel smart to pretend that you are an idiot?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Again your comparing us to 3rd world countries. You must think very little of this country. Compare us to to developed countries and we're 4X more likely. You don't even think we belong in the company of developed countries?

Let me guess, you define civilized world as any country that has a lower homicide rate than the US.

Well I think most developed countries do.

I think you are a racist and a sexist, but I could be wrong, you might not be that smart.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

It talks about Scotland. Is that the whole uk?

Is it part of the UK? If I was talking about violent crime in the US, could I use Denver as an example?

Should I use the city with the highest homicide rate to represent the US? Obviously no. So why does Scotland represent all of the UK? That's not honest.

Yet you continually do.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Their rate is dropping like a rock. Expect them to be lower than us soon.

That was funny.

Get back to me in 90 years when it gets down to where we are now, and lets find out what ours is then.

It is really?
Russian homicides by year:
2008: 20,056
2009: 17,681
2010: 13,100
2011: 11,500
That's not dropping fast?

Dropping fast compared to what? According to these numbers it is slightly lower than it was in 1994 while ours is roughly half what is was then according to the FBI. Which is dropping faster?

Most recent homicide rate I find for them is 10.2. So little over 2X ours. Where did you get your 300% again? Do you ever bother using real stats?

Did you look at the chart rightwinger posted? I was using his numbers, if you have a problem with them, take it up with him, not me.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

there is no gun culture. the gun culture is a left wing creation to put fear of guns into everyone. the usa isn't full of crazy gun nuts out shooting everyone up. this is so blown out of proportion. only .000036 of every gun owned is ever used to kill any one. a percentage so small if there wasn't a political agenda it would never even be brought up. the fact is that 99.999974% of the gun owners have no frigging clue what this gun culture really is.

Ban guns and you will eliminate mental insecurity? wtf kind of off the wall statement with no factual bearing at all kind of comment is that? talk about an over emotional, reactionary out of touch with reality statement is that?

Spoonie,I know loads of fine Conservative Americans who live and work in Western Australia(in fact I lease one of my properties to them.....by their own admission they are Gun Mad(in a nice way) my mate has a Gun range and sporting club,They love going there and a bbq and grog(beer) afterwards,I watch em on the range and they love their guns big time,more than their wives(well almost).......they give me statistics all the time....and try to get me to fire a weapon.No Chance.

But they all say that they do enjoy living in a Gun Free society,Americans by the fact of owning a Gun,makes them a part of the Gun Culture,as for your statistic of 99.9999974% of Gun owners having no Friggin Clue, then why do they bother to own them???

I'm not out of touch with reality .......I just live in a Gun Free Culture and Society...You should try it,it's great. Your mate steve

Sure thing Steve,

From the Australian Bureau of Criminology - 2010

Actually, if the Australian Bureau of Criminology can be believed, Americans would be insane to concern themselves with what non-Americans think about American gun rights.

In 2002 — five years after enacting its gun ban — the Australian Bureau of Criminology acknowledged there is no correlation between gun control and the use of firearms in violent crime. In fact, the percent of murders committed with a firearm was the highest it had ever been in 2006 (16.3 percent).

Even Australia’s Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:

In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.

Sexual assault — Australia’s equivalent term for rape — increased 29.9 percent.

Overall, Australia’s violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.

Moreover, Australia and the United States — where no gun-ban exists — both experienced similar decreases in murder rates:

Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America’s rate dropped 31.7 percent.
During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.

Sexual assault — Australia’s equivalent term for rape — increased 29.9 percent.

Overall, Australia’s violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2 percent.

Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.

So, if the USA follows Australia’s lead in banning guns, it should expect a 42 percent increase in violent crime, a higher percentage of murders committed with a gun, and three times more rape.

The International Crime Victims Survey, conducted by Leiden University in Holland, found that England and Wales ranked second overall in violent crime among industrialized nations. Twenty-six percent of English citizens — roughly one-quarter of the population — have been victimized by violent crime. Australia led the list with more than 30 percent of its population victimized. The United States didn’t even make the “top 10″ list of industrialized nations whose citizens were victimized by crime.

Looks like banning guns in Oz worked real good.

I think I will pull a rightwinger here.

It doesn't matter if people are less safe as long as the guns are out of the hands of innocent people.

 

[Politico]

I love it when people use thel and of oz as a benchmark. Different dispersion, culture, people and 1o times fewer of them. 42% here is being optimistically low.

 

[JoeB131]

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I will tell you why if you wish.
Because it was an extremely violent society.
Because the healthcare system is shit.
Because there is no freedom.
Because it is a police state.
Because of a 70+% tax burden.

That's why.
You going to continue to insist you know more about the UK than me?
I lived there.



If you want to live in a socialist paradise, move to the UK for a year.
Then come and talk about how wonderful it is.

Guy, quite honestly, it sounds like you are a miserable, unhappy person no matter where you live.

I work for a British company. Deal with British folks all the time.

 

[JoeB131]

All the rants and abuse from the FILTH forigners and their traitor liberal pals will not change the facts.
In 1997 the UK enacted a complete ban on the ownership and possession of handguns.
Automatic and semi automatic rifles had been banned a decade or more before.
As had high cap mags.
The result?
Ten times more mass shootings !!!!
Odd how haters, fanatics and traitors always ignore that little tidbit!!

Because it isn't true.

The last mass shooting in the UK was in 2010. The last one before that was 1996.

List of massacres in Great Britain and Northern Ireland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

We've had two in the last year.

 

[JoeB131]

[

Liar .
I'm extremely happy in the USA as I have repeatedly told you.
Pity you traitors want it turned into a shithole like the UK.

British company?

Burger King ?

Naw, man, that's more your speed. Before you claimed your disability check and moved into the double wide.

 

[Geaux4it]

Look- We dont care about the UK or any of those other countries. This is AMERICA for which she stands. We don't want to be like those countries from which we fled. I have an idea, whey don't all you loons that love the Euro go the hell back there?

Leave this terrible gun loving country to us. I'm sure we'll get by without you loons.

LMAO

-Geaux

 

[JoeB131]

Look- We dont care about the UK or any of those other countries. This is AMERICA for which she stands. We don't want to be like those countries from which we fled. I have an idea, whey don't all you loons that love the Euro go the hell back there?

Leave this terrible gun loving country to us. I'm sure we'll get by without you loons.

LMAO

-Geaux

The 65% of households that don't have guns in their homes are pretty sick and tired of living in fear of the minority of you who can't control yourselves.

90% of the populace wants the kind of background checks that would have kept Aaron Alexis from buying a gun last Saturday.

Yes, he bought his gun last SATURDAY, well after two previous shooting incidents AND the police were called to his hotel because he reported hearing voices!

It seems to me that if you gun whacks can't keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the insane, you know, because "Freedom", then you've made the argument as to why no one should have guns.

No, wait, let's give guns to blind people, too!

 

[Geaux4it]

Look- We dont care about the UK or any of those other countries. This is AMERICA for which she stands. We don't want to be like those countries from which we fled. I have an idea, whey don't all you loons that love the Euro go the hell back there?

Leave this terrible gun loving country to us. I'm sure we'll get by without you loons.

LMAO

-Geaux

The 65% of households that don't have guns in their homes are pretty sick and tired of living in fear of the minority of you who can't control yourselves.

90% of the populace wants the kind of background checks that would have kept Aaron Alexis from buying a gun last Saturday.

Yes, he bought his gun last SATURDAY, well after two previous shooting incidents AND the police were called to his hotel because he reported hearing voices!

It seems to me that if you gun whacks can't keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the insane, you know, because "Freedom", then you've made the argument as to why no one should have guns.

No, wait, let's give guns to blind people, too!

The 65% of households that don't have guns in their homes are pretty sick and tired of living in fear of the minority of you who can't control yourselves.

Wrong

90% of the populace wants the kind of background checks that would have kept Aaron Alexis from buying a gun last Saturday.

No they don't which is why the Senate bill got shoved up the Communist arse

Yes, he bought his gun last SATURDAY, well after two previous shooting incidents AND the police were called to his hotel because he reported hearing voices!

Should of been in jail and not on the streets. No brainer

It seems to me that if you gun whacks can't keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the insane, you know, because "Freedom", then you've made the argument as to why no one should have guns.

No, you have made the argument that you don't know what the hell you are talking about. Moreover, it's clear you want to enable criminals so like I said, why don't you go to a country you feel safer in?

-Geaux

 

[Kondor3]

Thread Summary:

1. Shooting.

2. Fleshing-out the details.

3. Guns are bad.

4. No they're not.

5. We should ban private gun ownership.

6. Try it - the Constitution dares you.

7. We'll find a way around it, because the need is so great.

8. No you won't, and we'll fight you if you try.

9. We shall see.

10. Issue goes dormant again until the next shooting incident.

 

[JoeB131]

The Senate Bill lost because the NRA is good at terrorizing congressmen.

Now we need to take every Congressman who voted against that bill and get in his face with Aaron Alexis.

 

[Geaux4it]

The Senate Bill lost because the NRA is good at terrorizing congressmen.

Now we need to take every Congressman who voted against that bill and get in his face with Aaron Alexis.

Why would they be afraid of the NRA if 90% of those that vote were in favor??

Does not compute

-Geaux

 

[JoeB131]

The Senate Bill lost because the NRA is good at terrorizing congressmen.

Now we need to take every Congressman who voted against that bill and get in his face with Aaron Alexis.

Why would they be afraid of the NRA if 90% of those that vote were in favor??

Does not compute

-Geaux

You mean why would they be afraid of an organization that has shown a willingness to dump millions into races with no regard for the truth?

Hmmmm....

 

[JoeB131]

The Senate Bill lost because the NRA is good at terrorizing congressmen.

Now we need to take every Congressman who voted against that bill and get in his face with Aaron Alexis.

Evidence?

Liar!!

You mean other than the NRA fought against background checks tooth and nail?