Hanoi Jane

[Sunni Man]

Nope, Joe Alphabet;

Never been to the "Wall" but my best friend's name is up there; we were drafted on the same day.

Sunni, he doesn't mean the wall of loyal Islamist that have killed Americans, that you jerk off to. He means the Vietnam Veteran Wall.

You never been in Vietnam and your supposed best friend never died in it either! Don't disgrace the Veterans by lying about something you never did and people you don't know!

Jealous?

Don't be; it was no fun.

 

[signelect]

Some 20 something actress chums around with some people we are at pretend war with and to some that is worse than our own military people lying and hoodwinking the American people.

I guess all those soldiers pretended to die and while we are at it the military does not make war, politicians do and sends the military because they don't have the backbone to do it themselves.

You wouldn't recognize the truth if it bit your ass.

 

[Si modo]

I can shrug off most stuff. Might even get a tad peeved now and then. But a scant few things make me batshit pissed. What she said is one of them. I wont forget it. And I dont hold grudges but for her....Ill hold it forever.

Hold it, now.

Did you change your user name? I thought you were IMEURU, or something like that.

I think you did.

Ah, if you were new, your post count would be much lower than IMEURU's.

K...good to know.

 

[Againsheila]

Some 20 something actress chums around with some people we are at pretend war with and to some that is worse than our own military people lying and hoodwinking the American people.

I guess all those soldiers pretended to die and while we are at it the military does not make war, politicians do and sends the military because they don't have the backbone to do it themselves.

You wouldn't recognize the truth if it bit your ass.

I went over a year without my father and two years without my brother for that "pretend" war. Some of my brother's friends were killed, people I knew....some "pretend" war.

 

[Sunni Man]

04-12-2011 05:21 PM GHook93 "You were never in Vietnam Lying Sand ******. Who was your friend you say again? I just want to know so I can piss on is grave, maybe scratch his name off the wall!"


That is the message that I just received from GHook93 about my friend who's name is on the Vietnam Memorial Wall

He and I were drafted in the same day from our little town.

I made a thread called "Sunni Man's High School Friends Misadventure" on Veterans Day if anyone wants to look it up.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/milit...high-school-friends-vietnam-misadventure.html

It's just pathetic and sickening that GHook would want to dishonor a fallen American soldier in such a despicable way.

 

[PoliticalChic]

If I can get over the Iran Contra Affair, I find it difficult to understand why others can get over Jane Fonda.

By comparison, the players of the Iran Contra affair were way worse.

That's because you understand neither the Vietnam War, nor the Sandinistas...

Ignorance is....well, pretty much your post.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Will she ever be forgiven? SHOULD she ever be forgiven?

A Viet Nam Vet was asked a simular question, he replied;

I'll forgive Jane Fonda when Hitler is forgiven by the Jews.


She a traitor to the country that has served no jail time. If it was not for her fame she would be rotting in a grave with a broken neck.

Jane Fonda was an American Patriot whom history has proved correct.

I wish we had more citizens like her.

People who believe in the Constitution.

And will stand up and take action when they see it being violated by the government.

They are the real "Hero's" of America.

1. Jane Fonda was one of those opponents of the Vietnam War for whom no amount of sympathy for America’s communist enemy was too much. This daughter of privilege traveled to Hanoi, and, in obedience to the wishes of her North Vietnamese hosts, heaped scorn on the notion that American POW’s were being mistreated. She posed gaily peering through the sight of an anti-aircraft gun (presumably prepared to fire on American planes), and made propaganda radio broadcasts. It is difficult to imagine what more she could have done to qualify as a traitor. Charen, “Useful Idiots,” p. 46.

2. In 1979, Humanitas, the organization of anti-war activist Joan Baez, purchased a newspaper ad that ran in five large circulation dailies, called “An Open Letter to the Socialist Republic of Vietnam,” which ran in part: “Thousands of innocent Vietnamese, many of whose only “crimes” are those of conscience, are being arrested, detained and tortured in prison and re-education camps… The jails are overflowing with thousands upon thousands of “detainees”… People disappear and never return… People are used as human mine detectors, clearing live mine fields with their hands and feet. For many, life is hell and death is prayed for. With tragic irony, the cruelty, violence and oppression practiced by foreign powers in your country for more than a century continue today under the present regime.

It was an abiding commitment to fundamental principles of human dignity, freedom and self-determination that motivated so many Americans to oppose the government of South Vietnam and our country's participation in the war. It is that same commitment that compels us to speak out against your brutal disregard of human rights. As in the 60s, we raise our voices now so that your people may live. And a Voice to Sing With -- A Memoir, by Joan Baez

3. Baez mailed the letter to 350 anti-war activists. Among those who refused to sign was Jane Fonda. “Your name would mean much more than any other,” she told Fonda, in a long letter. Fonda wrote that the add would lend credence to those who believe “that Communism is worse than death…” Washington Post, Lynn Darling, “Joan Baez at 38,” June 29, 1979

 

[mal]

If I can get over the Iran Contra Affair, I find it difficult to understand why others can get over Jane Fonda.

By comparison, the players of the Iran Contra affair were way worse.

Illustrate your Point with Substance...

I bet you can't.



peace...

 

[mal]

A Viet Nam Vet was asked a simular question, he replied;

I'll forgive Jane Fonda when Hitler is forgiven by the Jews.


She a traitor to the country that has served no jail time. If it was not for her fame she would be rotting in a grave with a broken neck.

Jane Fonda was an American Patriot whom history has proved correct.

I wish we had more citizens like her.

People who believe in the Constitution.

And will stand up and take action when they see it being violated by the government.

They are the real "Hero's" of America.

1. Jane Fonda was one of those opponents of the Vietnam War for whom no amount of sympathy for America’s communist enemy was too much. This daughter of privilege traveled to Hanoi, and, in obedience to the wishes of her North Vietnamese hosts, heaped scorn on the notion that American POW’s were being mistreated. She posed gaily peering through the sight of an anti-aircraft gun (presumably prepared to fire on American planes), and made propaganda radio broadcasts. It is difficult to imagine what more she could have done to qualify as a traitor. Charen, “Useful Idiots,” p. 46.

2. In 1979, Humanitas, the organization of anti-war activist Joan Baez, purchased a newspaper ad that ran in five large circulation dailies, called “An Open Letter to the Socialist Republic of Vietnam,” which ran in part: “Thousands of innocent Vietnamese, many of whose only “crimes” are those of conscience, are being arrested, detained and tortured in prison and re-education camps… The jails are overflowing with thousands upon thousands of “detainees”… People disappear and never return… People are used as human mine detectors, clearing live mine fields with their hands and feet. For many, life is hell and death is prayed for. With tragic irony, the cruelty, violence and oppression practiced by foreign powers in your country for more than a century continue today under the present regime.

It was an abiding commitment to fundamental principles of human dignity, freedom and self-determination that motivated so many Americans to oppose the government of South Vietnam and our country's participation in the war. It is that same commitment that compels us to speak out against your brutal disregard of human rights. As in the 60s, we raise our voices now so that your people may live. And a Voice to Sing With -- A Memoir, by Joan Baez

3. Baez mailed the letter to 350 anti-war activists. Among those who refused to sign was Jane Fonda. “Your name would mean much more than any other,” she told Fonda, in a long letter. Fonda wrote that the add would lend credence to those who believe “that Communism is worse than death…” Washington Post, Lynn Darling, “Joan Baez at 38,” June 29, 1979

peace...

 

[The Gadfly]

If I can get over the Iran Contra Affair, I find it difficult to understand why others can get over Jane Fonda.

By comparison, the players of the Iran Contra affair were way worse.

However did I miss this little gem? One question: did you serve in Vietnam? If not, don't presume to tell those of us who did how to feel about Jane Fonda, or anything else related to Vietnam.

 

[syrenn]

Vietnam was not a war.

I never spit on anyone.

Quit fucking lying

No?

then please do tell us what it was.

 

[José]

Originally posted by The Gadfly
Gee, Truth, you could have fooled me! "Pretend war' , huh? Silly me; I suppose those mortar rounds were just marshmallows, and those bullets....just spitballs, I'm sure! Of course, you weren't there to see it, but I guess if Jane Fonda says it's so..... Go tell it to my brothers, who are missing arms and legs; go tell it to the ones who died. Go tell it to those who still relive it in their nightmares; matter of fact, go tell it to all the Vietnamese men, women and children Hanoi Jane's beloved VC and NVA "comrades" tortured, raped, and flat-out murdered. You want the REAL baby-killers, torturers and rapists of Vietnam? Talk to Jane's "comrades", because THEY DID IT, WE DID NOT!

You presume one hell of a lot, for someone who never humped a ruck, never got shot at and never walked point in the jungle. You know, ever since I got home, I've had people like you telling me, what I should think about it, how I should feel about it, and what I should have done about it. You have all the answers; the only problem is, you never bothered to ask the right questions.

Those of us who were there, have a lot of different feelings about it, and we don't all agree. Some think it was right, others think it was wrong, and others still aren't sure. I think what we can all agree on is that we got lied to, and lied about, and got the blame, courtesy of Jane Fonda and the rest of the American Left. You know, being against a war is one thing; cheering for the enemy, waving the enemy flag, and spitting on and cursing American soldiers is another. So is blaming them for things the vast majority never did, and never would have done. I've seen American soldiers give their lives, protecting Vietnamese civilians...but Uncle Walter didn't tell you about that, on the evening news, so it never happened. No, we're just baby killers and war criminals-the Left says so!

I think you told someone to talk to some real Vietnam vets. What about you; ever bother talking to any of us who don't share your politics? Well, here's your chance. The question is, are you going to lecture me, or shut up and actually listen?

FRANCE AND AMERICA'S DISASTROUS INVOLVEMENT IN THE INTERNAL MATTERS OF VIETNAM TURNED A SMALL CIVIL WAR THAT WOULD END IN A FEW WEEKS AFTER THE JAPANESE DEFEAT INTO A WHOLESALE MASSACRE THAT LASTED FOR DECADES, UTTERLY DESTROYED A COUNTRY THAT NEVER DID ANYTHING TO FRANCE AND AMERICA AND COST THE LIVES OF HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF VIETNAMESE, YOU FUCKING CLOWN FROM HELL!!

How cynical and morally depraved does an individual have to be to put the blame on the people of Vietnam for the West's decision to interfere in their civil war??

And who cares about all those french and american GI's anyway??

They were paid to die and I hope they are burning in Hell right now for all the death and destruction they brought to Vietnam.

Kudos to Sallow for being one of the few dissenting voices in this sea of mentally retarded patriotic clowns mindlessly burping "I'm for my country right or wrong"!!

 

[The Gadfly]

Originally posted by The Gadfly
Gee, Truth, you could have fooled me! "Pretend war' , huh? Silly me; I suppose those mortar rounds were just marshmallows, and those bullets....just spitballs, I'm sure! Of course, you weren't there to see it, but I guess if Jane Fonda says it's so..... Go tell it to my brothers, who are missing arms and legs; go tell it to the ones who died. Go tell it to those who still relive it in their nightmares; matter of fact, go tell it to all the Vietnamese men, women and children Hanoi Jane's beloved VC and NVA "comrades" tortured, raped, and flat-out murdered. You want the REAL baby-killers, torturers and rapists of Vietnam? Talk to Jane's "comrades", because THEY DID IT, WE DID NOT!

You presume one hell of a lot, for someone who never humped a ruck, never got shot at and never walked point in the jungle. You know, ever since I got home, I've had people like you telling me, what I should think about it, how I should feel about it, and what I should have done about it. You have all the answers; the only problem is, you never bothered to ask the right questions.

Those of us who were there, have a lot of different feelings about it, and we don't all agree. Some think it was right, others think it was wrong, and others still aren't sure. I think what we can all agree on is that we got lied to, and lied about, and got the blame, courtesy of Jane Fonda and the rest of the American Left. You know, being against a war is one thing; cheering for the enemy, waving the enemy flag, and spitting on and cursing American soldiers is another. So is blaming them for things the vast majority never did, and never would have done. I've seen American soldiers give their lives, protecting Vietnamese civilians...but Uncle Walter didn't tell you about that, on the evening news, so it never happened. No, we're just baby killers and war criminals-the Left says so!

I think you told someone to talk to some real Vietnam vets. What about you; ever bother talking to any of us who don't share your politics? Well, here's your chance. The question is, are you going to lecture me, or shut up and actually listen?

FRANCE AND AMERICA'S DISASTROUS INVOLVEMENT IN THE INTERNAL MATTERS OF VIETNAM TURNED A SMALL CIVIL WAR THAT WOULD END IN A FEW WEEKS AFTER THE JAPANESE DEFEAT INTO A WHOLESALE MASSACRE THAT COST THE LIVES OF HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF VIETNAMESE, YOU FUCKING CLOWN FROM HELL!!

How cynical and morally depraved does an individual have to be to put the blame on the people of Vietnam for the West's decision to interfere in their civil war??

And who cares about all those french and american GI's anyway??

They were paid to die and I hope they are burning in Hell right now for what they did to the vietnamese people.

Kudos to Sallow for being one of the few dissenting voices in this sea of mentally retarded patriotic clowns mindlessly burping "I'm for my country right or wrong"!!

What's the matter, commie rat? Did I tell the truth on your ideological kindred spirits? How cynical and morally depraved do YOU have to be, to justify every atrocity perpetrated by communists, even against their own people?

YOU listen up, you sorry ungrateful and gutless specimen of a permanent civilian puke-YOU are not worthy to shine the muddy boots of any GI who served in Vietnam, with your foul tongue! You are right about one thing- I despise communists, any communists, anywhere, anytime. I have a lot of unpleasant memories of that war, but I do not regret the memory of killing VC and NVA! I personally sent a large number of them to hell, something I am damn proud to have done. They weren't soldiers, just murdering, torturing dregs of humanity! As for the hatred of people like you, that is an HONOR-it tells me I did the right thing! Take your treason, your lying, and your phony "compassion" and shove it up whatever bodily orifice your species possesses, into which the sun does not shine, you miserable, malignant, Bolshevik worm!

 

[tigerbob]

I also called you a traitor.
..

You have no idea what the word means.

If you ever read the Constitution and could understand what it is talking about.

You would see that Jane Fonda and Muhammad Ali were both exercising their rights as American citizens as our Founding Fathers envisioned.

What was the position of the founding fathers towards anyone who was known to give comfort, support or assistance to the British during the war of independence?

Being British I don't know the answer to that but I'd be interested to find out, given the nature of this thread.

 

[Sallow]

A Viet Nam Vet was asked a simular question, he replied;

I'll forgive Jane Fonda when Hitler is forgiven by the Jews.


She a traitor to the country that has served no jail time. If it was not for her fame she would be rotting in a grave with a broken neck.

Jane Fonda was an American Patriot whom history has proved correct.

I wish we had more citizens like her.

People who believe in the Constitution.

And will stand up and take action when they see it being violated by the government.

They are the real "Hero's" of America.

1. Jane Fonda was one of those opponents of the Vietnam War for whom no amount of sympathy for America’s communist enemy was too much. This daughter of privilege traveled to Hanoi, and, in obedience to the wishes of her North Vietnamese hosts, heaped scorn on the notion that American POW’s were being mistreated. She posed gaily peering through the sight of an anti-aircraft gun (presumably prepared to fire on American planes), and made propaganda radio broadcasts. It is difficult to imagine what more she could have done to qualify as a traitor. Charen, “Useful Idiots,” p. 46.

2. In 1979, Humanitas, the organization of anti-war activist Joan Baez, purchased a newspaper ad that ran in five large circulation dailies, called “An Open Letter to the Socialist Republic of Vietnam,” which ran in part: “Thousands of innocent Vietnamese, many of whose only “crimes” are those of conscience, are being arrested, detained and tortured in prison and re-education camps… The jails are overflowing with thousands upon thousands of “detainees”… People disappear and never return… People are used as human mine detectors, clearing live mine fields with their hands and feet. For many, life is hell and death is prayed for. With tragic irony, the cruelty, violence and oppression practiced by foreign powers in your country for more than a century continue today under the present regime.

It was an abiding commitment to fundamental principles of human dignity, freedom and self-determination that motivated so many Americans to oppose the government of South Vietnam and our country's participation in the war. It is that same commitment that compels us to speak out against your brutal disregard of human rights. As in the 60s, we raise our voices now so that your people may live. And a Voice to Sing With -- A Memoir, by Joan Baez

3. Baez mailed the letter to 350 anti-war activists. Among those who refused to sign was Jane Fonda. “Your name would mean much more than any other,” she told Fonda, in a long letter. Fonda wrote that the add would lend credence to those who believe “that Communism is worse than death…” Washington Post, Lynn Darling, “Joan Baez at 38,” June 29, 1979

You do realize that the Vietnam war was essentially a war crime...committed by US politicians that did not understand the region and were fixated on stemming the tide of communism (In Johnson case) or didn't want to lose a war (In Nixon's case). The US dropped more Ordnance on that small country then all wars previously combined and was responsible for the deaths of over 50K American troops..and millions of Vietnamese.

Protesting that war was a matter of doing the right thing.

Jane Fonda should have been praised.

 

[Sallow]

I also called you a traitor.
..

You have no idea what the word means.

If you ever read the Constitution and could understand what it is talking about.

You would see that Jane Fonda and Muhammad Ali were both exercising their rights as American citizens as our Founding Fathers envisioned.

What was the position of the founding fathers towards anyone who was known to give comfort, support or assistance to the British during the war of independence?

Being British I don't know the answer to that but I'd be interested to find out, given the nature of this thread.

They weren't giving aid or comfort to anyone. They were finding out facts after being lied to and rightfully protesting a war crime.

 

[Ringel05]

You have no idea what the word means.

If you ever read the Constitution and could understand what it is talking about.

You would see that Jane Fonda and Muhammad Ali were both exercising their rights as American citizens as our Founding Fathers envisioned.

What was the position of the founding fathers towards anyone who was known to give comfort, support or assistance to the British during the war of independence?

Being British I don't know the answer to that but I'd be interested to find out, given the nature of this thread.

They weren't giving aid or comfort to anyone. They were finding out facts after being lied to and rightfully protesting a war crime.

Ahh, perception. Ain't it great!

 

[RetiredGySgt]

And?

She's siding with the enemy, dumb fuck.
Do you need it dumbed-down more?

She was photographed sitting in an anti aircraft weapon in North Vietnam during the Vietnamese conflict. If you do not see a problem with that then you are either to stupid to breath or just ignorant as hell.

 

[Sallow]

What was the position of the founding fathers towards anyone who was known to give comfort, support or assistance to the British during the war of independence?

Being British I don't know the answer to that but I'd be interested to find out, given the nature of this thread.

They weren't giving aid or comfort to anyone. They were finding out facts after being lied to and rightfully protesting a war crime.

Ahh, perception. Ain't it great!

Yep.

Apparently massacring a whole village of unarmed civilians and gang raping children, as Lt. Calley did, is a-okay..in the eyes of some folks.

And "posing" for pictures is treason in those very same eyes.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

They weren't giving aid or comfort to anyone. They were finding out facts after being lied to and rightfully protesting a war crime.

Ahh, perception. Ain't it great!

Yep.

Apparently massacring a whole village of unarmed civilians and gang raping children, as Lt. Calley did, is a-okay..in the eyes of some folks.

And "posing" for pictures is treason in those very same eyes.

Ya cause after all we did not prosecute for that right? YOU are to stupid to breath.