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I know lots of people who felt exactly the same way until they lost a job, or had some other setback that they had no control over. Just because you are lucky enough to have not had that kind of reversal doesn't mean that you are smarter or work harder. It just means you are luckier.
If you can keep a roof over your head, have clean water and food, you are in good shape compared to a lot of the world. Sometimes you just have to make sacrifices (smaller house, cheaper cell phone, 1 TV instead of 4 etc.) There are people that are genuinely hurting, there are others that have put themselves in their own predicament....
Of course there are some who put themselves in a bad situation. Always have been. always will be. I just don't see those as the majority of the hurting.
I think a lot of it depends on your life experiences. Who you know that you are closest to. Most people I know cry poor, but, really could be quite well off if they weren't buying their kids everything in the world, and putting them in colleges they can't afford etc.
Again, I know plenty of them too. Those aren't the majority of people who depend on social programs.
I'll be honest, I don't know the people that are collecting welfare etc. I don't much about the system and what it takes to participate - you always hear about the people working the system, never those that truly need it. I am not doubting there are those that truly need assistance.....
Yes, that's what those big ole words mean. You are relying on the power of big government to dictate what an employees time is worth. I've had many jobs, no one ever told me how good I have it. Having everything you want is fine, as long as you earn it. Government making you pay for someone that didn't is the definition of dependent.It is quite easy to imagine a slave owner telling his slaves how well they have it. Or a less than minimum wage earner being told the same thing. It is a curious belief and one I even think is true that having everything you want makes you spoiled and a bit lazy - a libertarian sort. But then getting a federally or state mandated fair wage makes you some sort of dependent?
getting a federally or state mandated fair wage makes you some sort of dependent?
It is part of the narrative of the conservatives in America that one must be poor to be American.
It is part of the narrative of the conservatives in America that one must be poor to be American.
This is pure liberal stupidity on display. The Conservative philosophy has no such narrative. Never has! We are ALL equally American. We deserve the respect of our own responsibility to self-govern and prosper as free market capitalists. Every... single... one... of us. Regardless of the "group" we may or may not belong to.
You see, whenever we use the powers of government to establish favorites, it removes this freedom from everyone else. It directly contradicts our principles. Our system depends on people being motivated to endeavor and prosper. You can't divide us into "class" as if we're graded cattle. We are all ONE... Americans.
good point, once you identify labor, for example, as a class too stupid to get ahead on their own you encourage them to think they can't get ahead on their own and they indeed then become a separate and dependent class who must voted liberal to keep the welfare coming.
The so-called "middle class" is like an escalator.
The so-called "middle class" is like an escalator.
True, but less and less so. Let's not forget that years and years of liberal programs have driven 30 million middle class jobs offshore and solidified a lower class that stays stuck on the bottom for generations.
The Socialists would certainly like for us to be trapped in our class for life... that's where their message thrives..
The Socialists would certainly like for us to be trapped in our class for life... that's where their message thrives..
Yes, if they can get the lower class to believe they are a lower class, not an upwardly mobile class, then they can get them to vote as a block for welfare to sustain them in the lower class. They are largely succeeding, not only with welfare programs but more importantly with the war on the family and schools. And, liberalism is a disease that is spreading, liberal hip-hop culture is now main stream American culture!!
If your wages are stagnant in the middle, be part of the top instead!.
well sure but these things are competitive so everybody cant win and move up. But more importantly, a liberal govt should not be working against people moving up, let alone pushing them down with stupid policies that , for example, off shore their jobs.
Usually, in most cases, if you work hard or study hard earlier or later you will get the result. Maybe money, maybe interesting job or influence in society. or all together. That's a rule. However in some cases it doesn't work, e.g. people worked in concentration camps in germany or ussr... nothing have to say here.
yes, maybe it is possible to derive the conclusion: working hard is a necessary, but not sufficient condition. Like matematicians say.Usually, in most cases, if you work hard or study hard earlier or later you will get the result. Maybe money, maybe interesting job or influence in society. or all together. That's a rule. However in some cases it doesn't work, e.g. people worked in concentration camps in germany or ussr... nothing have to say here.
But that is another great thing about our system as opposed to others. In a free enterprise, free market capitalist system, with an unrestrictive representative government held accountable to the people and a constitution establishing those freedoms, it's less likely you're going to find yourself working for a maniac dictator.
That said... a better example would be the Chinese who build the railroad. We know for a fact that thousands of them died... literally worked to death... Hard work certainly didn't pay off for them. Then, the slaves... OMG. So we see, it's not just about "hard work" but something else.
I can say this for a fact: Nothing worthwhile in accomplishing ever came easy.
... or does it? I think you are better off getting along with people to get ahead then to work hard.
Is that acceptable? Or do you disagree?
Have things changed or has it always been this way?
The American dream - that if you work hard, you'll get ahead - does not hold true anymore for a majority of American voters anymore. Fifty-seven percent say the principle that hard work brings reward once held true, but no longer does, while 34 percent say the American dream still holds true. A much smaller number - just 9 percent - say the American dream never held true in the first place. While half of financially secure voters believe in the tenet that working hard yields prosperity, 84 percent of voters facing economic hardship say it no longer works, or never did.
Majority of Voters Say the American Dream Is Dead
