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It must be terrible to live in such fear.
I've got 3 fire extinguisher in my home. Is that living in fear? I don't think so. I consider it being prepared to protect myself, my family and my home in case of fire. Having a firearm is to be prepared to protect myself, my family and my home from scumbags who would wish to bring harm. Prepardness doesn't equal fear, it equals common sense.
Live life serving others and there ARE no scumbags to fear. People in power know you and protect you when your community knows and respects you.
Assholes attract scumbags like shit draws flies, however.
Regards from Rosie
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I really dont know why you idiots keep referring to me as a liberal though. Maybe you haven't read most of my past posts...or even my avatar.
To answer your question Yes, most definitely and this is only one example.
1986 FBI Miami shootout - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
1986 FBI Miami shootout
The shootout involved ten people: two suspects and eight FBI agents. Of the ten, only one, Special Agent Manauzzi, did not fire any shots (firearm thrown from car in initial collision), while only one, Special Agent Risner, was able to emerge from the battle without a wound. The incident lasted under five minutes yet approximately 145 shots were exchanged.
Jerry Dove: Smith & Wesson Model 459 9mm pistol, 20+ rounds fired. Killed by two .223 gunshot wounds to the head.
Ronald Risner: Smith & Wesson Model 459 9mm pistol, 14 rounds fired, S&W Model 60 .38 Special revolver, one round .38 Special +P fired. Uninjured
Then based on the actions of these few cops, we clearly need to limit the amount of ammo all cops can carry.
WTF.... Where do you come up with this shit?
How the hell did you come to that conclusion?
Does anyone believe that those who carry a gun behave differently than they would if they were unarmed? Those of you who always are armed, do you think you would act differently - be less cautious, more aggressive - if you did not have a gun in your possession?
Does anyone believe that those who carry a gun behave differently than they would if they were unarmed? Those of you who always are armed, do you think you would act differently - be less cautious, more aggressive - if you did not have a gun in your possession?
Does anyone understand what the fuck this post is about?
I want some facts and truthiness. Has ANY private citizen (not a cop, solider, militia, security guard)....EVER needed more than 20 shots for any single incident of self-defense? I tried researching it, and I cant fine a single incident. Ever. I found one website with a lot of good stats from the NRA's own sources: The Thinking Gunfighter: Self Defense Findings
How many self defense situations required a "reload"? : About 1/2 of 1% it says, so, 0.5%.
How many shots are fired by the defender? : In most cases, about 2. Yes, TWO.
The average number of shots fired by the defender? 2. The median? 2.
It says the majority of cases where more than 2 were fired were the defender simply shooting the gun until empty, out of reaction, not necessity.
Out 482 shooting incidents studied (By the NRA), only 3 required a reload. 1 of the 3 was to kill a Lion (like the cat) who escaped, and a large cal revolver was used, needing 13 shots to kill the animal.
The largest number of "attackers" reported, across the country, was 7...where 7 men tried to do a home invasion. The home owner fought them off, killed 2, wounded 1................with a SHOTGUN.
Im trying to find an example. And I cant. I cant find one single example of a private citizen needing a 30 round magazine to fight off intruders or attackers. Not one. Not one single incident. In fact, every single incident seems that a 15 round magazine would be PLENTY to get the job done....yep, even if the attacker is an African Lion.
Im a gun rights supporter, but I also try to see both sides of all issues. Well....Im having trouble justifying the need for 30, 45, 50, or 100 round magazines in the hands of private citizens. Should they be banned? I dont think so. It wouldnt change anything except add more work for the understaffed PD's to enforce yet another law. But, is there a justified NEED for them? Absolutely not.
I bet you can't find a single Police Officer who has fired more than 20 shots in self defense or defense of the public. Do you want to limit their ammunition too?
Some folks have watched too much Walking Dead and Doomsday Preppers.
Ok. When was the last time a private citizen had to fight off a spontaneous "mob" with a rifle?
It says the majority of cases where more than 2 were fired were the defender simply shooting the gun until empty, out of reaction, not necessity.
Los Angeles riots, to name one......Those Korean Business owners down in South Central weren't taking shit from anybody, and they damn sure knew the fucking cops weren't doing shit to protect 'em.....In fact, the cops turned tail and ran.Some folks have watched too much Walking Dead and Doomsday Preppers.
Ok. When was the last time a private citizen had to fight off a spontaneous "mob" with a rifle?
It's just too bad Reginald Denny wasn't packing.
It says the majority of cases where more than 2 were fired were the defender simply shooting the gun until empty, out of reaction, not necessity.
I dont know what they teach now, but when I took my CCW, we were told that when we shoot, to keep shooting until the bad guy was down, that it was necessary to eliminate the threat by making sure it was killed, and to prevent the possibility of legal action from the bad guy after you shoot them.
"The National Crime Victimization Survey, which yields estimates in the neighborhood of 100,000 defensive gun uses per year. Making various reasonable-sounding adjustments, other social scientists have suggested that perhaps a figure somewhere between 250,000 and 370,000 might be more accurate."
How Often Do We Use Guns in Self-Defense? - Businessweek
National Safety Council: Guns Used 80 Times More to Save Lives Than Murder
National Safety Council
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It says the majority of cases where more than 2 were fired were the defender simply shooting the gun until empty, out of reaction, not necessity.
I dont know what they teach now, but when I took my CCW, we were told that when we shoot, to keep shooting until the bad guy was down, that it was necessary to eliminate the threat by making sure it was killed, and to prevent the possibility of legal action from the bad guy after you shoot them.
A CCW instructor TAUGHT you to unload the whole mag, and to ensure the guy is dead to avoid lawsuits?
Holy Christ. Either you are lying and didn't take a CCW class.....or, that instructor is going to get living shit sued out of HIM when one of you kills someone.
You shoot to stop the threat, and ONLY to stop the threat. NOT to 'kill', and certainly not to 'kill so I wont get sued by a living witness'.
That is terrifying. So if after the 1st shot, the guy drops the gun and falls, but is alive, you were taught to keep firing until empty to be sure he is A) Dead and B) Not gonna sue anyone????
WOW. Just wow.
Do you carry it on the car seat next to you under a towel? This is no way to live. I live in a country where people do not even think about carrying firearms. To me, this is freedom.
It says the majority of cases where more than 2 were fired were the defender simply shooting the gun until empty, out of reaction, not necessity.
I dont know what they teach now, but when I took my CCW, we were told that when we shoot, to keep shooting until the bad guy was down, that it was necessary to eliminate the threat by making sure it was killed, and to prevent the possibility of legal action from the bad guy after you shoot them.
A CCW instructor TAUGHT you to unload the whole mag, and to ensure the guy is dead to avoid lawsuits?
Holy Christ. Either you are lying and didn't take a CCW class.....or, that instructor is going to get living shit sued out of HIM when one of you kills someone.
You shoot to stop the threat, and ONLY to stop the threat. NOT to 'kill', and certainly not to 'kill so I wont get sued by a living witness'.
That is terrifying. So if after the 1st shot, the guy drops the gun and falls, but is alive, you were taught to keep firing until empty to be sure he is A) Dead and B) Not gonna sue anyone????
WOW. Just wow.
You shoot to stop the threat, and ONLY to stop the threat. NOT to 'kill', and certainly not to 'kill so I wont get sued by a living witness'.You shoot to eliminate the threat. When a gun is pulled, some one will be getting killed. It is a fact.
That is terrifying. So if after the 1st shot, the guy drops the gun and falls, but is alive, you were taught to keep firing until empty to be sure he is A) Dead and B) Not gonna sue anyone????2 or 3 shots center mass will likely kill any one with ill intentions towards you. I said nothing about shooting them when there down, jus that we were taught to shoot them until they are down, and that a dead perp cant sue you. The fact that you dont have a clue about the legal ramifications of using a gun in self defense shows you have not done a CCW class. Only interweb reading.
"The National Crime Victimization Survey, which yields estimates in the neighborhood of 100,000 defensive gun uses per year. Making various reasonable-sounding adjustments, other social scientists have suggested that perhaps a figure somewhere between 250,000 and 370,000 might be more accurate."
How Often Do We Use Guns in Self-Defense? - Businessweek
National Safety Council: Guns Used 80 Times More to Save Lives Than Murder
National Safety Council
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So, at about 300,000, in a nation of 300,000,000, that would be 1 in 100. 1 in 100 people will have to use a gun in self defense in a year. I live in a city of about 100,000. And I can guarantee...just by reading local news, that there are not 1,000 people in my city who've had to use a gun to defend themselves in the past year. If the number were that high, the media would be in hysteria about the massive crime wave.....but it is not, because it hasn't happened.
That stat is simply inaccurate.
"The National Crime Victimization Survey, which yields estimates in the neighborhood of 100,000 defensive gun uses per year. Making various reasonable-sounding adjustments, other social scientists have suggested that perhaps a figure somewhere between 250,000 and 370,000 might be more accurate."
How Often Do We Use Guns in Self-Defense? - Businessweek
National Safety Council: Guns Used 80 Times More to Save Lives Than Murder
National Safety Council
.
So, at about 300,000, in a nation of 300,000,000, that would be 1 in 100. 1 in 100 people will have to use a gun in self defense in a year. I live in a city of about 100,000. And I can guarantee...just by reading local news, that there are not 1,000 people in my city who've had to use a gun to defend themselves in the past year. If the number were that high, the media would be in hysteria about the massive crime wave.....but it is not, because it hasn't happened.
That stat is simply inaccurate.
How about you don't understand averages. There are some cities where guns are used all the time for self-defense and some cities have literally zero instances of a gun being used in self-defense. Why don't you understand that fact.
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