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OK so since everyone is opposed to free government paid for health care when do we end Medicare and the all you can eat DOPE buffet?
OK so since everyone is opposed to free government paid for health care when do we end Medicare and the all you can eat DOPE buffet?
You were hospitalized in France?No links from you either.yes but in general he's right. Europe has worse care because:
1) they are poorer and can afford less. France has the income of Arkansas, for example. THey buy less and they buy older drugs and treatments which are cheaper and less effective.
2) being more socialist they invent far less. USA hold 80% of all recent health care patents for example
3) in Europe most of those who can afford to buy care elect to do so because competitive free market care is naturally superior to monopolistic inefficient socialist care.
The French have access the most advanced drugs, but the manufacturers charge them less than they charge Americans. That should really piss you off.
You should really do some traveling. Europe has changed a lot since the days immediately following WW2.
I have been to Europe, and specifically France. It's not the same, nor superior. French hospitals are ridiculous compared to US hospitals.
OK so since everyone is opposed to free government paid for health care when do we end Medicare and the all you can eat DOPE buffet?
I would phase it out. I would say everyone 60 and over, are the last. Everyone 59 and younger, must purchase private health insurance, and just let the program die on the vine.
If you also made it a little more painful for granny to go visit her doctor because she's lonely (which happens an awful lot) and had an honest discussion about end of life care (30% of all care a person consumes is in the last year of life)....you might find things to be less costly.
Yes, if the buyer of healthcare services was put back into the picture, prices would normalize. Too bad, the semi-communist mass base of the ruling democrat party will never allow that to happen, neither will the insurance cartell backed republican congressional minority. HEHEHE
My American friends, you are just beginning the dance, how well you all have been punked out of your own cash and with you all cheering along to get screwed some more. WHEHEHEHEHE
Actually, there is a growing number of Hospitals and care providers, now openly posting prices. There is even a growing number of clinics that refuse insurance, and require direct payment for care.
No links from you either.
The French have access the most advanced drugs, but the manufacturers charge them less than they charge Americans. That should really piss you off.
You should really do some traveling. Europe has changed a lot since the days immediately following WW2.
I have been to Europe, and specifically France. It's not the same, nor superior. French hospitals are ridiculous compared to US hospitals.
yes France has the per capita income of Arkansas, about our poorest state so of course many things there will be substandard by American standards.
You were hospitalized in France?No links from you either.
The French have access the most advanced drugs, but the manufacturers charge them less than they charge Americans. That should really piss you off.
You should really do some traveling. Europe has changed a lot since the days immediately following WW2.
I have been to Europe, and specifically France. It's not the same, nor superior. French hospitals are ridiculous compared to US hospitals.
You were hospitalized in France?I have been to Europe, and specifically France. It's not the same, nor superior. French hospitals are ridiculous compared to US hospitals.
I personally was not, but a member of our group was, and we've had subsequent people there who were Hospitalized. One in fact, was directly told by the people at the hospital, that he had to return to the US because he would get better care back here.
Only one of the three, was told this, I'll grant you that much. But I've been there, I've seen the difference first hand... it's not the same.
I'm pretty sure you couldn't afford to live in Paris in the style you do in the US. What is it with the Right thinking that Europeans are all poor?You were hospitalized in France?
I personally was not, but a member of our group was, and we've had subsequent people there who were Hospitalized. One in fact, was directly told by the people at the hospital, that he had to return to the US because he would get better care back here.
Only one of the three, was told this, I'll grant you that much. But I've been there, I've seen the difference first hand... it's not the same.
not so surprising since France is a poor county and socialist too!
I'm pretty sure you couldn't afford to live in Paris in the style you do in the US. What is it with the Right thinking that Europeans are all poor?I personally was not, but a member of our group was, and we've had subsequent people there who were Hospitalized. One in fact, was directly told by the people at the hospital, that he had to return to the US because he would get better care back here.
Only one of the three, was told this, I'll grant you that much. But I've been there, I've seen the difference first hand... it's not the same.
not so surprising since France is a poor county and socialist too!
Yes, if the buyer of healthcare services was put back into the picture, prices would normalize. Too bad, the semi-communist mass base of the ruling democrat party will never allow that to happen, neither will the insurance cartell backed republican congressional minority. HEHEHE
My American friends, you are just beginning the dance, how well you all have been punked out of your own cash and with you all cheering along to get screwed some more. WHEHEHEHEHE
Actually, there is a growing number of Hospitals and care providers, now openly posting prices. There is even a growing number of clinics that refuse insurance, and require direct payment for care.
That would be a road back to civilization. Somehow I feel that these hospitals/providers are sitting ducks for buyouts, because after not boosing their profit margins with deferring income from insurer limit/deductible to customer, they will not be able to maintain their revenues at competitive levels.
You avoided my point, that you can't afford to live in Paris in the style that you do in the US.I'm pretty sure you couldn't afford to live in Paris in the style you do in the US. What is it with the Right thinking that Europeans are all poor?not so surprising since France is a poor county and socialist too!
its a simple fact. France has the per capita income of Arkansas about our poorest state. Productive French people move to London. THe idiot socialist president said he did not like the rich!
You avoided my point, that you can't afford to live in Paris in the style that you do in the US.I'm pretty sure you couldn't afford to live in Paris in the style you do in the US. What is it with the Right thinking that Europeans are all poor?
its a simple fact. France has the per capita income of Arkansas about our poorest state. Productive French people move to London. THe idiot socialist president said he did not like the rich!
No, not idiotic, you still can't live in Paris in the style you enjoy in the US.You avoided my point, that you can't afford to live in Paris in the style that you do in the US.its a simple fact. France has the per capita income of Arkansas about our poorest state. Productive French people move to London. THe idiot socialist president said he did not like the rich!
thats because your point is 100% idiotic. Some parts of Paris have a world class style that many from all over the world love so prices can be very very steep thanks to supply and demand. Take the subway 10 minutes out of town and you have miles and miles of muslim ghettos. On average a Frenchman will have the income of someone from Arkansas.
10 years ago you could get a very nice room in Chaminox for $30, for example.
you still can't live in Paris in the style you enjoy in the US.
I'm pretty sure you couldn't afford to live in Paris in the style you do in the US. What is it with the Right thinking that Europeans are all poor?I personally was not, but a member of our group was, and we've had subsequent people there who were Hospitalized. One in fact, was directly told by the people at the hospital, that he had to return to the US because he would get better care back here.
Only one of the three, was told this, I'll grant you that much. But I've been there, I've seen the difference first hand... it's not the same.
not so surprising since France is a poor county and socialist too!
I'm pretty sure you couldn't afford to live in Paris in the style you do in the US. What is it with the Right thinking that Europeans are all poor?not so surprising since France is a poor county and socialist too!
Virtually NO ONE in Paris lives in the style that we do in the US, which is rather the point. Why are we supposed to believe in the superiority of a nation which, despite being technically a first-tier country, has a lower standard of living than we take for granted at home?
We think Europeans are poor in large part BECAUSE it takes so much more money to live so much worse. That's not rich; that's fucking stupid.
How many times did you repeat that in this thread alone?I'm pretty sure you couldn't afford to live in Paris in the style you do in the US. What is it with the Right thinking that Europeans are all poor?
Virtually NO ONE in Paris lives in the style that we do in the US, which is rather the point. Why are we supposed to believe in the superiority of a nation which, despite being technically a first-tier country, has a lower standard of living than we take for granted at home?
We think Europeans are poor in large part BECAUSE it takes so much more money to live so much worse. That's not rich; that's fucking stupid.
Yes France has the per capita income of Arkansas about our poorest state.