Healthcare should not be a PROFIT driven field

[Avatar4321]

No one has proposed just how medical professionals could be forced to work for free. How the equipment providers would be forced to supply the equipment for free or how the pharmaceutical ccompanies could be forced to provide medications for free.

huh? people aren't forced to ''work for free'' just because the business model is one of a NON Profit Katz?

Doctors who operate their own practice are working for profit. Should that be allowed?

Of course it should. Men should be allowed to labor for the means to take care of themselves and their families.

 

[Chris]

 

[bripat9643]

Your poster has already been torn to shreds in another thread.

 

[Chris]

For the past decade, social scientists and pollsters have given elaborate questionnaires to hundreds of thousands of people around the globe. Two of the largest studies that rank the happiness of countries around the world are the World Map of Happiness from the University of Leiscester and the World Database of Happiness from Ruut Veenhoven of Erasmus University Rotterdam. All the happiness surveys ask people basically the same question: How happy are you?

"The answer you get is not only how they feel right now, but also how they feel about their entire life," explained Dan Buettner, who has studied happiness and longevity around the world through his Blue Zones project Buettner said that if you mine all the databases of universities and research centers, you'll find that the happiest place on earth is ? Denmark. Cold, dreary, unspectacular Denmark.

Could the Danes really be the happiest people in the world? When ABC News anchor Bill Weir traveled there to find out, he asked random Danes to rate themselves in terms of happiness, on a scale of one to 10. Many people rated themselves at least an eight, and there were several nines and 10s. Finally, one grouchy Dane came along who said she didn't believe Danes were so happy. But then she quickly conceded that she herself felt rather content with her life, and said Danes in general had very little to complain about.
Danes do have one potential complaint: high taxes. The happiest people in the world pay some of the highest taxes in the world -- between 50 percent and 70 percent of their incomes. In exchange, the government covers all health care and education, and spends more on children and the elderly than any country in the world per capita. With just 5.5 million people, the system is efficient, and people feel "tryghed" -- the Danish word for "tucked in" -- like a snug child.
Those high taxes have another effect. Since a banker can end up taking home as much money as an artist, people don't chose careers based on income or status. "They have this thing called 'Jante-lov,' which essentially says, 'You're no better then anybody else,'" said Buettner. "A garbage man can live in a middle-class neighborhood and hold his head high."

Denmark: The Happiest Place on Earth - ABC News

 

[1776]

It is amazing rich liberals working in Congress that have lavish retirement funds from Congress in addition to their fat bank accounts....go around telling others that they make too much money as a doctor, etc.

 

[P@triot]

For the past decade, social scientists and pollsters have given elaborate questionnaires to hundreds of thousands of people around the globe. Two of the largest studies that rank the happiness of countries around the world are the World Map of Happiness from the University of Leiscester and the World Database of Happiness from Ruut Veenhoven of Erasmus University Rotterdam. All the happiness surveys ask people basically the same question: How happy are you?

"The answer you get is not only how they feel right now, but also how they feel about their entire life," explained Dan Buettner, who has studied happiness and longevity around the world through his Blue Zones project Buettner said that if you mine all the databases of universities and research centers, you'll find that the happiest place on earth is ? Denmark. Cold, dreary, unspectacular Denmark.

Could the Danes really be the happiest people in the world? When ABC News anchor Bill Weir traveled there to find out, he asked random Danes to rate themselves in terms of happiness, on a scale of one to 10. Many people rated themselves at least an eight, and there were several nines and 10s. Finally, one grouchy Dane came along who said she didn't believe Danes were so happy. But then she quickly conceded that she herself felt rather content with her life, and said Danes in general had very little to complain about.
Danes do have one potential complaint: high taxes. The happiest people in the world pay some of the highest taxes in the world -- between 50 percent and 70 percent of their incomes. In exchange, the government covers all health care and education, and spends more on children and the elderly than any country in the world per capita. With just 5.5 million people, the system is efficient, and people feel "tryghed" -- the Danish word for "tucked in" -- like a snug child.
Those high taxes have another effect. Since a banker can end up taking home as much money as an artist, people don't chose careers based on income or status. "They have this thing called 'Jante-lov,' which essentially says, 'You're no better then anybody else,'" said Buettner. "A garbage man can live in a middle-class neighborhood and hold his head high."

Denmark: The Happiest Place on Earth - ABC News

Sounds amazing....you should totally move to Denmark. Immediately. Go live your utopia! I'll help you pack...

 

[P@triot]

For the past decade, social scientists and pollsters have given elaborate questionnaires to hundreds of thousands of people around the globe. Two of the largest studies that rank the happiness of countries around the world are the World Map of Happiness from the University of Leiscester and the World Database of Happiness from Ruut Veenhoven of Erasmus University Rotterdam. All the happiness surveys ask people basically the same question: How happy are you?

"The answer you get is not only how they feel right now, but also how they feel about their entire life," explained Dan Buettner, who has studied happiness and longevity around the world through his Blue Zones project Buettner said that if you mine all the databases of universities and research centers, you'll find that the happiest place on earth is ? Denmark. Cold, dreary, unspectacular Denmark.

Could the Danes really be the happiest people in the world? When ABC News anchor Bill Weir traveled there to find out, he asked random Danes to rate themselves in terms of happiness, on a scale of one to 10. Many people rated themselves at least an eight, and there were several nines and 10s. Finally, one grouchy Dane came along who said she didn't believe Danes were so happy. But then she quickly conceded that she herself felt rather content with her life, and said Danes in general had very little to complain about.
Danes do have one potential complaint: high taxes. The happiest people in the world pay some of the highest taxes in the world -- between 50 percent and 70 percent of their incomes. In exchange, the government covers all health care and education, and spends more on children and the elderly than any country in the world per capita. With just 5.5 million people, the system is efficient, and people feel "tryghed" -- the Danish word for "tucked in" -- like a snug child.
Those high taxes have another effect. Since a banker can end up taking home as much money as an artist, people don't chose careers based on income or status. "They have this thing called 'Jante-lov,' which essentially says, 'You're no better then anybody else,'" said Buettner. "A garbage man can live in a middle-class neighborhood and hold his head high."

Denmark: The Happiest Place on Earth - ABC News

Which is why the whole system fails and implodes. Because why would the best and brightest put in the agonizing hours of studying to be a doctor and then practicing medicine when there is zero incentive to do so? If the garbage man - who never had to study and get to go home after only 8 hours - makes us much as the physician, then the best and brightest become garbage men.

But don't let reality hit in you in the face when this false liberal narrative feels so good!

 

[The Rabbi]

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/12/opinion/12iht-edoped.html?_r=0

DENMARK: As the Muslim population grows, Jews are warned not to send their kids to public schools | BARE NAKED ISLAM

 

[frigidweirdo]

Hospitals in Cuba, North Korea, China, USSR, etc must be so much better than here....not.

List of countries by GDP (PPP) per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

GDP per capita PPP

USA $53,101
Cuba $18,796
China $9,844
USSR isn't a country.
North Korea doesn't tell people.

The point being, a country with GDP 1/5 or 1/3 or whatever that of the US clearly isn't going to have as much money to spend on healthcare as the US does.

 

[frigidweirdo]

It does? Where does it say that? Sorry DUDE. I never read that in ANY of the Founder's writings...you know? The Federalists/Anti-Federalists?

YOU are painting a picture with Watercolours in a severe thunderstorm.

Try Again.

I'm not even sure what you're going on about.

Does the 2 party system exist because of the US Constitution or not?

 

[frigidweirdo]

No one has proposed just how medical professionals could be forced to work for free. How the equipment providers would be forced to supply the equipment for free or how the pharmaceutical ccompanies could be forced to provide medications for free.

Probably because no one is asking medical professionals to work for free. Who even said that? I bet no one did.

 

[bucs90]

America can't do as much for it's people because we spend an insane amount of money being the World Police. The countries that we protect....have extra cash since they don't need to fund the military that protects the world. We have decided to be World Police.

 

[frigidweirdo]

This comes back to the questions which has been brought up a lot in recent years. How much profit is to much? Who gets to decide that? How do they decide that?

Well, if admin costs are double what they are in Canada, you have to assume that's too much.

 

[frigidweirdo]

America can't do as much for it's people because we spend an insane amount of money being the World Police. The countries that we protect....have extra cash since they don't need to fund the military that protects the world. We have decided to be World Police.

Actually the US makes a lot of money being the "world's police" since they only police countries that make the US money.

Countries the US has actually bothered with since 2000.

Iraq (OPEC), Libya (OPEC), Afghanistan, Venezuela (OPEC), Iran (OPEC), you get the picture?

It's like with World Bank loans, they don't give them out for nothing, in Bolivia they gave them out as long as Bolivia privatized state companies, which of course the US, Spain and other such countries snapped up, and then went about destroying Bolivia.

 

[The Rabbi]

This comes back to the questions which has been brought up a lot in recent years. How much profit is to much? Who gets to decide that? How do they decide that?

Well, if admin costs are double what they are in Canada, you have to assume that's too much.

Why?

 

[Unkotare]

Ok. Just to put it bluntly: The ability to save a human life, or vastly improve their life, should NOT be one that is driven by profit..

So you don't want health care, medical technology, and pharmaceuticals to improve? Why not?

 

[dblack]

Why is govt involved in anything at all? Why have govt in the first place? The answer to that one, you're going to have to figure out for yourself.

No. In fact, that's the one question we have to agree on. At least if you're talking about compulsive state government that we're all forced to pay for.

Well, if you go back in history, you realise that "forced to pay for" is a part of life.
Unless you're the guy at the top, you're going to be forced to do things. It's part of being a social being. People have always had to pay taxes. Sometimes the taxes go to benefit them, other times they go to benefit the society and not themselves directly, and other times they go to benefit the leadership and no one else.

No society has ever managed to do away without someone in charge. That's our nature.

You're missing my point. I'm commenting on your suggestion that the purpose of government ("Why have government in the first place?") is something each person has to figure out for themselves. The compulsive and monopolistic nature of state government requires that we all agree on what that purpose of government is. That agreement is what the Constitution is all about.

 

[Fishlore]

What functions government should or should not undertake in the larger economy has to change as the society changes and as technology changes the economy. It isn't a matter of philosophical principles -- that's the Declaration, and it isn't a matter of rights and powers -- those are in the Constitution. It is a matter of adjusting the role of the government in the economy in order to achieve the principles in the Declaration and preserve the rights in the Constitution. Going back to 1783 when there were no public schools and government had nothing to do with the practice of medicine is a dumb idea, even dumber than asserting that because the DWGs said you could keep a musket in order to be in the state militia that you should be allowed to have an assault rifle and take it into the local tavern. Some folks just don't get it.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Ok. Just to put it bluntly: The ability to save a human life, or vastly improve their life, should NOT be one that is driven by profit..

So you don't want health care, medical technology, and pharmaceuticals to improve? Why not?

You sound as if healthcare, medical technology and pharmaceutical improvements can only be had by people seeing to make a profit. I don't get it.

 

[frigidweirdo]

You're missing my point. I'm commenting on your suggestion that the purpose of government ("Why have government in the first place?") is something each person has to figure out for themselves. The compulsive and monopolistic nature of state government requires that we all agree on what that purpose of government is. That agreement is what the Constitution is all about.

And the question is, how many people agree to the constitution?
In the past it wasn't that many, how many literate people were there in 1789?

In the present day how many people agree to the constitution? It depends on how you look at it. A person who votes is clearly supporting the system. A person who plays the game (ie, fighting the other side) is clearly supporting the system.

Or is it just those who support the Reps and Dems?

Whenever I've suggested change on this board, people don't seem to care.

You make a topic which is Bengazi, or Obama, or Bush or something like that, and everyone's hammer and tongues at each other. Suggest something that could actually sort out problems and no one gives a damn. They uphold the system, the monopoly of power, and the constitution that desperately needs changing.

So who agrees? Well people seem to have been advertised to death and they just go along with what they're told.